The New Dark Age: (A Fallout Albania Quest)

edit: @Dapperlad1 this is more of a general fallout lore question/speculation, but how did the fallout unvierse run out of oil so quickly. with current technology and prospecting we have at least 40 years of crude left with projected usage, and the fallout universe has all the atomic energy super tech, lots of crazy mining tech, and a few more decades of prospecting so it's strange to see it all went so quickly. that isn't even counting oil shale, which already has proven reserves to last 2 centuries or so of global use, and by the time 2077 rolled around there would've been plenty of time to develop the technology to harness that more economically than now
The Fallout Universe was using oil at a World War level for nearly half a decade. The massed military vehicle formations before fusion were guzzling fuel at a massive rate, including the industry to supply them and it's more than safe to assume that oil was there to use but merely couldn't keep up with rampant industrial needs to feed a population of the double digit billions in 2077.
 
Fuck I totally forgot that militaries need oil to function. Are we also running with the fanon that the Fallout setting never really developed more efficient tech because of the 50's mentality, because that also makes sense even if it's a bit silly.
 
Fuck I totally forgot that militaries need oil to function. Are we also running with the fanon that the Fallout setting never really developed more efficient tech because of the 50's mentality, because that also makes sense even if it's a bit silly.
They did develop more efficient technology, and then they upsized the vehicles leading towards a very similar increase in fuel usage. See the gigantic tanks they rolled out near the end there. Albania was spared some of this due to a lack of industrial means PROUD HOXHAIST PRECOGNITION.
 
holy shit lmfao

so the dumb mammoth tank rip offs that are too big to be effective are canon?

edit: @Dapperlad1 out of the scope of the quest considering currently known deposits, but does that mean theoretically oil shale is still an exploitable resource post-war? This is more general Fallout lore discussion, I just got interested thinking about what it means for post-war nations like the NCR
 
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edit: @Dapperlad1 out of the scope of the quest considering currently known deposits, but does that mean theoretically oil shale is still an exploitable resource post-war? This is more general Fallout lore discussion, I just got interested thinking about what it means for post-war nations like the NCR
Depends on where, the US is likely well-tapped for resources whilst other places may be more usable.
 
Time passes in a moment, as if months had been crossed in the space of a blink. A meeting is scheduled, as you glance at your calendar, in the next six minutes. Standing up and walking quickly, you arrive at an already full and loud room.

Only in this quest can you experience the authentic experience of politicians fighting over tiny changes in allocations for way too long and feel the passage of time in quest in real life!

"Now the goal remains, to clear our Fier of violent cannibalistic savages that were once our brothers and sisters." He takes a moment to shake his head, "But their numbers are likely much too great, instead, a rescue attempt must be mounted for the prisoners trapped and kept as livestock by these things."

Just a reminder, this raid will be done in cooperation with Korce:

Still, eventually, they do give in. In doing so give us a reasonable idea of their military forces, a militia of some four-hundred males, primarily armed with bolt action rifles or other hand-made weapons. They exhibit significant firearms skills to be fair, likely years of practice, but their weapons are crudely made and would perform poorly against our vests.

The first planned operation by them is a form of rescue operation, one they have apparently done in the past to a lesser extent. The cannibals capture individuals and keep them as a form of livestock, caged and made to forcefully propagate themselves. This information is kept private for now but seems to be an accepted part of life for the people of Korce.

@Dapperlad1

How many Militia fighters does Korce plan to send for the Fier raid and are they organising their own logistics?

When does the MoD plan to start the raid? If we build a road to Fier this turn will we be able to use it for supply and evacuation?



Bringing out a notepad and reading from it, he speaks, "I believe a lightning advance, using an attack from Deathclaws from a distant side of the city as a distraction would give us the time to react freely against threats, despite the large population of enemies."

The MoD seems to estimate the combat ability higher than I would.

Yes, they outnumber us severely, but they dont really have an answer to the deathclaws. We need to be careful to make sure the DClaws dont eat the prisoners but I dont give good odds to 500 Cannibals charging a dozen Deathclaws who are supported by a hundred Riflemen behind them.

Still, his plan involves us being able to hold a part of the city long enough to extract the Industrial equipment and keeping up a supply line and occupation of an urban area is not something we really want to do at the moment anyway so I dont think its bad.

"If we plan to assault Fier, SIGURIMI could deploy a forward operations team if we are provided with enough equipment, body armour and rifles for an eight-man team."

"Gathering intelligence and taking out whatever leadership they have will serve us well."

Theres two parts to this:

Do we think that SIGURIMI can be useful in such a capacity? Yes, very likely. They have highly trained troops (see the skirmish Turn 2) and probably intended them to do exactly these types of tasks.

Do we want to rearm SIGURIMI again? I am not sure, we have no idea what they are doing at the moment. Are they engaged in a shadow war with serbian infiltrators or preparing a coup? We have no idea and its hard to judge them.

"Previous conversations about making solid numbers on the current state of agricultural output have inspired me to theorize with my experts on what exactly that would require. If we have just one or two people of education to chart it out and maybe fifty workers to actually count it out, down to every kilogram of rice and meat."

Solid Numbers: Good

Expert and Labour Cost: Bad

We can do most of the planning without this exact information and simply build in a bit of a puffer, we want to expand our food anyway. But tracking our food supply closer will not only help with planning, it will also be a barrier to corruption and dissappearing food.

The Minister of Infrastructure brings up their woes next. "The road to Kalivaci is nearly complete, but beyond that, the only thing I can think of is to build the next step in interconnectedness. Looking into railways and locomotives perhaps powered by solar panels to save on resource costs could be a crucial next step when our input of resources grows sufficiently."

Railways are expensive and so are trucks. What we really need are some Brahmin or equivalent animal who only need food and can transport heavy loads. Korce Sheep are sadly not strong enough and I dont think their temparament is suitable. Deathclaws are strong enough but they limit what can be transported and very expensive to mantain.

But the Minister of Infrastructure really doesnt need to worry, were going to need a lot of infrastructure even if its not as good as a railroad.

The Minister of the Environment covers their own topic, "I believe with the help of the Rangers, we could look out to nearby wildlife and, hopefully, find something that can survive off the local environment and be kept by herders as a stable protein source. An expert to look into them and the Rangers to find them in the first place should be all we need."

We do know about Korce Sheep, who can be very useful. I believe we certainly can spare an expert to look for useful animals, but i am less convinced about the rangers... they could be very useful supporting the raid both for their knowledge of nature and to ease the supply cost through hunting.

"Looking at our current resources, we should focus on tightening our relationship with Korce so as to best align them to ourselves and hopefully, in the future, bring them under our sway. You know what ways I have suggested to do, I won't strain myself repeating them."

A better relationship with Korce is good and important and we should start building that road and putting some of our suggestions into practice(vocational school, radio transmitters)

"There is a clear need for us to expand our industry and workforce and both can be done with the assault on Fier. Whilst cargo bicycles are usable, I say we assign some MSH-57s to them and either get the soldiers to build a cart of some kind to hitch behind them or design something for it to drag heavy weights so as to make moving the masses of industrial machinery more bearable when we do succeed."

MSH-57s are certainly useful even past this extraction. On the other hand, we were thinking about replacing their role with deathclaws for agricultural purposes because they are so damn expensive and industrial machinery cant be eaten...

@Dapperlad1 Could Deathclaws drag Industrial equipment back if we keep them separate from the Labourers?

The Minister of Extraction actually lays out a map. Displaying a short line marked six kilometres in total running from Rrezoma to a nearby mountain. "In here, Prime Minister, is a series of abandoned mines that I discovered combing through old maps. They are for a myriad of materials ranging from chromium to iron to even coal. Some were running low on materials whilst others were freshly opened the year before the bombs fell. If we can find the manpower to build a short road and begin mining procedures, we could have extra raw, high-quality materials to feed into our forges."

This is very valuable for the future, but I dont think its very important at the moment. We arent limited by extraction opportunities but rather by the tools to do the extraction. Unless the mines are more productive than salvaging already existing material on the surface or we can use more primitive tools for them we wont be able to put them into use at the moment.

"We should organize a study to get an accurate, comprehensive and continuously tracked survey of our housing situation and average conditions across our nation per city we reclaim."

"Excellent idea! And what sort of labour do you expect to need?" You ask, prompting their estimate. "I think three experts should be sufficient, two for Gjirokaster and one for Rrezoma."

3 Experts once could be spared once, but losing the continously is quite expensive and im not sure the survey will be that useful. We know that our housing situation is bad, but we dont have the resources to improve it.


"On that matter, something to support said workers would be a reasonable idea. As well as that, it would do well to centralise them before they are pulled into society, so perhaps a designated "refugee housing area" in the city or just outside it is a recommendation worth following."

"Finally, the simple matter of moving so many people is going to be a problem. We cannot reasonably expect a 150-kilometre march from likely malnourished and almost certainly ill people. Cargo bicycles will help, but we will need a way to move people across that distance, or the ability to set up significant healthcare assets on site." The Minister of Transport weighs in, "We will likely need either a tremendously expensive rail line or some sort of mass transport vehicle such as a truck or three to make runs if we can't treat them on site."

I have already proposed to house the refugees in a new settlement centered on the Kalivaci Dam, whose abundant reserves of power will make it an attractive center of industry and the ideal location for a radio tower already. If it works we would have a seed population for the new settlement and well need to recolate less people from Gjirokaster. The problem is that we likely dont have existing ruins there to shove the refugees in so we would need to build communal housing which is expensive.

If possible, transporting the refugees by boat from Fier to Kalivaci would be the most effient, even if we dont settle them near the dam well be able to give them treatment and food in a secure location before they make the less difficult transport to Gjirokaster with the help of a road.

@Dapperlad1 If we build the boat we designed, can it move close to Fier and back on the river?

If we cant use a boat this will certainly be difficult. We have one electric vehicle from Korce but I dont think it has a large capacity or the speed to move a large group in good time.

"We definitely need to prepare a curriculum for the incoming refugees, just to bring them up to speed and make them useful in anything but the very most basic tasks." They bring out a notepad, "I estimate that one Labourer could train ten other individuals in their tasks and duties as needed. And while I doubt they will have any particularly knowledgeable individuals in their midst, theoretically, we would need one expert to train five others efficiently up to our level of knowledge quickly."

"These refugees, they will have gone through hell on a level we likely can't begin to understand." The Minister of Political Loyalty speaks in a rare show of reason and calm. "The Commissariat is going to be crucial to help them through their pain, and we should prepare for such a thing with additional training and practice."

Someone cares about the mental health of the people we are going to rescue? Nice!

The Commissariat is a great solution, they just need to fill every mental problem the refugees have with enightened Hoxha thought instead and everything is fixed.

We definitly want to educate the refugees and give them mental health and imo both of them should work together to make sure it works. We can overbudget Labourers and just tell the spares to clear rubble or something, but experts will be a harder ask. Maybe budget one expert for teaching should there be candidates, if we actually get more than 5 well have to do a second round later.



The number of refugees we expect is going to impact our planning severely and the uncertainity is bad. My first estimation would be 500 refugees max, which means that they would fit in one communal housing building and well have around 5% of our population as refugees. We wont free the entire city so expect that number to roughly fit, the cannibals cant have tens of thousands of captives after all




AGRICULTURAL REPORT 2235-2236

CURRENT DIETARY FULFILMENT RATIO: 45% POTATO, 17.5% RICE, 7.5% BLACK BEAN, 30% SOYBEAN

POPULAR NUTRITION STATUS: INSUFFICIENT. LACKING IN KEY NUTRIENTS. PROTEIN SITUATION CRITICAL

CURRENT HARVEST QUANTITY: 220% REQUIRED INPUT. 130% FROM GJIROKASTER, 90% FROM RREZOMA. DEATHCLAWS CONSUME 10%

CURRENT FOOD STOCKPILE: 0.75 YEARS.


220%! We can easily reassign 2000 Labourers from super inefficient Gjirokaster farms for other projects(maybe expanding Rrezoma farming to get even more free Labourers?)
 
@Dapperlad1

How many Militia fighters does Korce plan to send for the Fier raid and are they organising their own logistics?

When does the MoD plan to start the raid? If we build a road to Fier this turn will we be able to use it for supply and evacuation?

Korce intends to provide about one-hundred fighters armed with bolt action rifles. They are expected to handle their own logistics.

They intend to start the raid sometime in the last month of this turn. So summer of 2236. If the workers are quick.

@Dapperlad1 Could Deathclaws drag Industrial equipment back if we keep them separate from the Labourers?

Definitely, but their massive claws may damage the equipment significantly over such a trek.

@Dapperlad1 If we build the boat we designed, can it move close to Fier and back on the river?

It could follow the Vjosa, the river which runs through Gjirokaster, all the way out to sea. Hug the coast and so long as all the rivers are vaguely in the same place as Pre-War maps, it can climb up through the Seman, switch flows to the Gjanica and sail straight to Fier, a riverway cuts through the city centre in an old canal.
 
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Factory assignment:

SPECIALIZED IC Production
SPECIALIZED 1.5 Construction Equipment
PTRS-70
14.5×114mm

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Metal
ChemicalsClothCeramicsOilRare Earth Metals
Stockpile213100
Maximum Extraction723021
Current Extraction700010
Consumption910010
Stockpile after turn003100


We cannot build a boat unless we decide to suspend either our specialised IC or our specialised CE production :(


@Dapperlad1 Could we assign our labourers to cut down trees and build rafts?
 
Transportation is definitly a hard problem.

The suggestion of building MSH-57s doesn't actually work because cant get two rare earth this turn.

A boat will require us to suspend IC construction again, which wastes an industry slot again :(

We have the manpower to build a road towards Fier this turn, but just a road wont solve our problems. I dont think using Korce sheeps as beasts of burden is really going to work because they are not strong and described to have a bad temparament.

We could build an even more forward operating base than Kalivaci, but thats going to expose them to a possible counterattack and strain our supplies to feed and help all of the refugees.
 
We could build an even more forward operating base than Kalivaci, but thats going to expose them to a possible counterattack and strain our supplies to feed and help all of the refugees.
I would like to point out that this hypothetical base could be abandoned after evacuating the refugees. For the refugees to be evacuated, we don't need them at full health, just, healthy enough to survive whatever transportation method we end up using.

We could also desing our attack such that it harms the cannibals organizational capabilities enough for them to be incapable of attacking for, at least, a turn. This could be achieved by giving SIGURIMI the equipment they requested and ordering them to target any leadership they identify and by letting the Deathhclaws loose in the cannibal settlement.

If everything goes according to plan then we have this turn to build and supply the forward base (and move the refugees there), next turn to let the refugges rest (and organize proper transportation for them) and a third turn to move them (and settle them in Kalivaci). So, while our base would certainly be exposed, the cannibals might not have an opportunity to attack and we would also have the time we need to execute the evacuation.​
 
The turn after this one will take place in winter of 2236, not the best time to move people anyhow, especially for cannibals without means.
 
Eating humans for food is extremely inefficient, I assume that they are eating people for the taste/cultural reasons and the majority of their diet consists of better food, especially as they are in a city so they don't have a Rrezoma to supply them with food.

@Dapperlad1 Could we search for suitable ruins that can shelter refugees close to Fire this turn or would we need to build our own shelter?



Off Topic:

I did a quick calculation for food production.

Each 100 Farmers in Rrezoma produce 9% Food, Each 100 Farmers in Gjirokaster produce 2,6% Food.

We need around 800 Farmers in addition to Rrezoma to ensure we have 100% Food coverage, but preferably more.

This means that we can free up a maximum of 4200 Labourers from agricultural work, so we will be able to do bigger projects!


TBH I regret that we produced agricultural equipment last turn a bit, I don't think we'll have a shortage of Labourers at the moment
 
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Do we know how much weight our cargo bikes can carry?

I remember a capacity of 200kg from somewhere but I dont find dapper saying anything about that. And do we have a speed for them?

I am trying to calculate our logistics requirements and sadly that has made me realise that we probably cant release these thousands of labourers from Gjirokaster farms just because we dont have the transport capacity :(

If every consumer requires 1 kg of food each day that means that we need to transport like 300.000 kg from Rrezoma to Gjirokaster each turn to feed the city. We desperatly need some sort of draft animal
 
Do we know how much weight our cargo bikes can carry?

I remember a capacity of 200kg from somewhere but I dont find dapper saying anything about that. And do we have a speed for them?

I am trying to calculate our logistics requirements and sadly that has made me realise that we probably cant release these thousands of labourers from Gjirokaster farms just because we dont have the transport capacity :(

If every consumer requires 1 kg of food each day that means that we need to transport like 300.000 kg from Rrezoma to Gjirokaster each turn to feed the city. We desperatly need some sort of draft animal
This very much depends on the biker, but a bicyclist could get 1 cubic metre of food, approximately, if using grain, 790kg total, but the legs of the biker would give out long before 790kg is hit. 200kg is a safe bet, if exhausting.
 
I am of course a proud communist loyal to Hoxha's vision and the PARTY, but I don't know if I could stay resolute if we managed to find a brahmin baron offering to sell us some of these divine beasts.
 
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