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The Mandalorian

MobiusOneDT said:
Also seeing Order 66 again, just makes me want a game where you play as Jedi in the temple during the attack. Was hoping Fallen Order would so that but no dice.
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Not much of a game if you wind up dead at the end...

Sure you can escape but the new Canon is getting just as bad as the old with Jedi Survivors all over the place that it makes you wonder what Order 66 was even for. No need to add to it just so EA can cash in on nerd money.
 
RogueIce said:
Not much of a game if you wind up dead at the end...

Sure you can escape but the new Canon is getting just as bad as the old with Jedi Survivors all over the place that it makes you wonder what Order 66 was even for. No need to add to it just so EA can cash in on nerd money.
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I dunno, I think legends has the current stuff beat on sheer numbers. Plus as far as I can tell, in New canon, most of the O66 survivors have shown up just to be killed by Vader and Co.
 
MobiusOneDT said:
Also seeing Order 66 again, just makes me want a game where you play as Jedi in the temple during the attack. Was hoping Fallen Order would so that but no dice.
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That could be a nice prologue where you play the mentor of the protagonist: you advance in the temple battling Clone Troopers to try to save as many Younglings as possible, and at the end of the level Anakin shows up, and it's a hopeless boss like at the end of Fallen Order... except that this time there's no escape.

RogueIce said:
Sure you can escape but the new Canon is getting just as bad as the old with Jedi Survivors all over the place that it makes you wonder what Order 66 was even for. No need to add to it just so EA can cash in on nerd money.
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There are not many survivors, and many of those who did were turned into Inquisitors, those confirmed still at large by 10 BBY are:
  • Obi-Wan
  • Yoda
  • Ashoka
  • Quilan Vos
  • Cere Junda
  • Cal Kestis
  • Kanan Jarrus
And that's it, we see another fugitive Padawan in the Obi-Wan series, but he's quickly dealt with.
 
Ashoka didnt survive the purge; cant get purged for being a Jedi if you dropped out before graduating your Jedi School apprenticeship

Shes a real jedi in the same way "Dr. John Smith, ABD" is a real doctor
 
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ElMariachi said:
That could be a nice prologue where you play the mentor of the protagonist: you advance in the temple battling Clone Troopers to try to save as many Younglings as possible, and at the end of the level Anakin shows up, and it's a hopeless boss like at the end of Fallen Order... except that this time there's no escape.


There are not many survivors, and many of those who did were turned into Inquisitors, those confirmed still at large by 10 BBY are:
  • Obi-Wan
  • Yoda
  • Ashoka
  • Quilan Vos
  • Cere Junda
  • Cal Kestis
  • Kanan Jarrus
And that's it, we see another fugitive Padawan in the Obi-Wan series, but he's quickly dealt with.
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Meh, by the NT they are all dead anyways, so why does that matter?
 
ElMariachi said:
She doesn't have the official papers, but the Clones and later the Inquisitorius treat her like any other Jedi.
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She's functionally a Jedi, like she might chafe at the formal label because she dropped out of Jedi School but she's a Force user who exclusively uses her abilities for good, wields a lightsaber(s), opposes the Empire/their descendants, and is pretty chill with other Jedi like Luke. To pretty much everyone else she's a Jedi in all but name, and even her non-Jedi status isn't (AFAIK) predicated on her having like fundamental theological and philosophical differences with the Jedi Order but rather that her freewheeling maverick ways were a bad fit for the more hidebound/ideologically rigid Prequel-era order.
 
It is unclear how many Jedi and other Force users managed to disappear via The Path prior to 9 BBY when the Empire tracked it down. Nor do we know, yet, how Grogu survived Order 66 in the Jedi Temple.

Maybe baby eyes trump the inhibitor chip....or Anakin's rampage.
 
Arthur Frayn said:
She's functionally a Jedi, like she might chafe at the formal label because she dropped out of Jedi School but she's a Force user who exclusively uses her abilities for good, wields a lightsaber(s), opposes the Empire/their descendants, and is pretty chill with other Jedi like Luke. To pretty much everyone else she's a Jedi in all but name, and even her non-Jedi status isn't (AFAIK) predicated on her having like fundamental theological and philosophical differences with the Jedi Order but rather that her freewheeling maverick ways were a bad fit for the more hidebound/ideologically rigid Prequel-era order.
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That's what I meant: she's not "officially" a Jedi, but she's still one in all the aspects that actually matters and make her a threat to Palpatine and his Empire, hence her also being hunted down.


Sabertooth said:
Meh, by the NT they are all dead anyways, so why does that matter?
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Gotta be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if a hypothetical work taking place after the ST has some of them still alive just to try to get out of the hole they dug themselves in that everything that Luke did was for naught.
 
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I'm half-expecting a prophecy about a part of Chiss Space which the Dark Side can't see or something, so Ahsoka can emerge as the new Grandmaster along with Master Grogu just as soon as the FO comes down.
 
RogueIce said:
Not much of a game if you wind up dead at the end...

Sure you can escape but the new Canon is getting just as bad as the old with Jedi Survivors all over the place that it makes you wonder what Order 66 was even for. No need to add to it just so EA can cash in on nerd money.
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Jedi: Fallen Order did have an Order 66 flashback level, but it didn't take place on Coruscant, but instead on a Republic Cruiser, which makes it a lot more likely to escape.

Also, in two cases of Jedi survivors that we've seen from Disney (Kanan Jerus and Cal Kestis), they were Padawans who escaped Order 66 as children while their masters died to buy them time. So it's resulted a younger, less-experienced, incompletely-trained generation of Jedi trying to face the Empire.

I remember having a similar discussion years ago, and I'll say the same thing that I said then: there were ten thousand Jedi before Order 66, so even if the Purge was 99% successful (making it one of the most successful genocides in history), that would still mean that there were a hundred survivors. It's a big galaxy, and there's room for lots of them out there without any of the "Where are they during the original trilogy?" nonsense that people sometimes spout. (The answer is "elsewhere." The entire Rebellion isn't hanging around Luke, Leia and Han all the time.)
 
Vader and the Inquisitorius winnow them out very successfully.

Re the entire Rebellion, the books and comics go into detail on this. Hera is only around Luke and Leia on occasion, Twilight Company's Namir meets Han once before Endor and doesn't recognise him.
 
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The Rebellion at least on the ground level is supposed to have cells which would not really have direct contact with Alliance HQ. I imagine during the hot part of the war after the destruction of the Death Star, there were planetary forces that fight the Empire on a system or sector level. With ships they would be more mobile, but like say Pheonix Cell, they might have some contact via a part of the Alliance, but they wouldn't be pulling in with the Alliance Fleet until called before Endor. And it is possible that several ships in the Rebellion did not go to Sullust so that the Empire would still have Alliance ships to chase around the Galaxy or able to hit other targets in the Empire to keep the Sullust meeting "secret" even though the Empire not only knew about it, Palpatine was counting on it for his trap.

Now there could be any number of Order 66 surviving Padawans and or students they took in the aftermath in various Rebel cells, but anytime a Jedi would show up, the Empire would send Inquisitors..at least while they existed. It is unclear if the Inquisitors remained after Twilight of the Apprentice, or if all had been killed. Or Darth Vader knew that Kanan and Ezra were too powerful for any that remained and whatever was left was hunting lesser Jedi. They didn't have any hunting Luke, but then Vader was hunting Luke personally.

Post-war...timeframe of the Mandalorian...If there are any Inquisitors left, they would either try to be warlords, or if they have any clue, seek out the Sith Eternal in the Unknown Regions. Unless they just decide to continue to hunt Force Sensatives in an effort to keep the Jedi from returning in numbers by denying students to Luke Skywalker. Meaning they would also hunt the likes of Grogu. But if Moff Gidion's project to collect the Child's blood is for Palpatine, than that might conflict with the Inquisitors, or they might be into that as well, but with a wider net.
 
Ithekro said:
The Rebellion at least on the ground level is supposed to have cells which would not really have direct contact with Alliance HQ. I imagine during the hot part of the war after the destruction of the Death Star, there were planetary forces that fight the Empire on a system or sector level. With ships they would be more mobile, but like say Pheonix Cell, they might have some contact via a part of the Alliance, but they wouldn't be pulling in with the Alliance Fleet until called before Endor. And it is possible that several ships in the Rebellion did not go to Sullust so that the Empire would still have Alliance ships to chase around the Galaxy or able to hit other targets in the Empire to keep the Sullust meeting "secret" even though the Empire not only knew about it, Palpatine was counting on it for his trap.

Now there could be any number of Order 66 surviving Padawans and or students they took in the aftermath in various Rebel cells, but anytime a Jedi would show up, the Empire would send Inquisitors..at least while they existed. It is unclear if the Inquisitors remained after Twilight of the Apprentice, or if all had been killed. Or Darth Vader knew that Kanan and Ezra were too powerful for any that remained and whatever was left was hunting lesser Jedi. They didn't have any hunting Luke, but then Vader was hunting Luke personally.

Post-war...timeframe of the Mandalorian...If there are any Inquisitors left, they would either try to be warlords, or if they have any clue, seek out the Sith Eternal in the Unknown Regions. Unless they just decide to continue to hunt Force Sensatives in an effort to keep the Jedi from returning in numbers by denying students to Luke Skywalker. Meaning they would also hunt the likes of Grogu. But if Moff Gidion's project to collect the Child's blood is for Palpatine, than that might conflict with the Inquisitors, or they might be into that as well, but with a wider net.
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You are overthinking things. It´s clear that the ST wrote any other SW projects into a corner.
 
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In some ways it's an inherited corner from the OT. Every Jedi who pops up from around that time needs a bunch of legwork to explain them not being around in those films.
 
'A million units on the way'. Hopefully a unit is more than one clone trooper., if they are fighting a droid army in the quadrillions across a Galaxy.
 
Tbh I like the comics/books spin where the Rebels are rather bigger than what we see onscreen (though multiple times the Empire reduces them severely). Like, per Twilight Company, Hoth is where Alliance High Command is based, but most of the wider Alliance aren't even sure where it is, Hera Syndulla has her fleet elsewhere, etc.
 
Yeah, the two dozen fighters we see at Yavin weren't the whole of the Alliance at the time. There must have been millions of rebels at a minimum. And they operate in cells to avoid compromising the whole network, like any decent insurgency. There could be a dozen Jedi working with the Rebels all across the galaxy, each one completely unaware of all the others and only having vaguely heard of this Luke Skywalker guy from the Alliance press releases. That was the assumption if you wanted to play a Jedi in the Star Wars RPG.
 
The Narrator said:
Yeah, the two dozen fighters we see at Yavin weren't the whole of the Alliance at the time.
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Thanks to Rogue One we know that to be the case. The Empire didn't trap all of the ships there when the ISD Devastator showed up, though where Hera went is a bit of a mystery as she would have been useful for the upcoming fighter battle. Surviving cap ships would have been moved away as being useless for what the battle plan was, so it makes sense that we didn't see them in ANH.
 
Hera's career post-R1 roves all over the map. She's in some of the main comic run and the first Dr Aphra one too, though she's yet to surface between Mako-Ta and Endor. Over the year after that, she runs a number of ops, particularly the hunt for Shadow Wing, which culminates at Jakku.
 
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RogueIce said:
Thanks to Rogue One we know that to be the case. The Empire didn't trap all of the ships there when the ISD Devastator showed up, though where Hera went is a bit of a mystery as she would have been useful for the upcoming fighter battle. Surviving cap ships would have been moved away as being useless for what the battle plan was, so it makes sense that we didn't see them in ANH.
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It also showed examples of distinct cells like Saw Gerrera's not in direct contact with the Delegation of 2000 remnants-based government-in-exile at Yavin - presumably some of those cells have combat craft of their own.
 
The Narrator said:
Yeah, the two dozen fighters we see at Yavin weren't the whole of the Alliance at the time. There must have been millions of rebels at a minimum. And they operate in cells to avoid compromising the whole network, like any decent insurgency.
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Of course the limitation of a cell structure is the time and difficulty in organizing joint operations.

One thing I think both Rebels and Rogue One pointed out is that the Battle of Yavin happened at pretty much the worst time for Rebel High Command, happening as it did after multiple battles that seriously depleted the Rebel fighter complements. They were probably in a piston where they were told "Yeah, wait a week and we can get you another hundred fighters", but then the Death Star was right there.

The important thing about Jedi working in the Rebellion is they can't be numerous enough or prominent enough that they could teach Luke Skywalker, or be used as a replacement if he died or was turned. So any survivors would have to be either deep undercover, constantly on the move, or fled way out to the Outer Rim or Unknown Territories. As Rebels showed, the Inquisitors were pretty effective in hunting down any Jedi that showed themselves.
 
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