The Lost Files (C:TL/Dresden Files) (CK2-ish)

Very good update, though unfortunately I've never really been interested in Dresden Files to know much more than the basics of what's happening from that perspective. Stoneguts as you said went Exalted so he'll probably be remembered and feared by those who escape.

[X] Fire through Abby, quite probably killing her, to kill the Fiddler. Plus, she's part of his ritual, without her...well. If it can kill him, maybe it's worth it? And more than that, what if she wants it. It might be the way to solve this.

It isn't a guarantee that she dies and we may have healing magics on hand, but even if she does if we can wound the Fiddler sufficently he is unable to escape that would be worth it given the Fiddler would likely be involved in many more deaths in the future if he lives. It has also been demonstrated in this chapter that the gun has iron bullets chambered so they should be very effective.

@The Laurent - was it intentional that you kept switching from Gabby to Abby in this chapter?

Actually, looking at it, there's only one instance in which it's wrongly placed. Gabe/Gabriella/Gabby is the Wizard, Abby is the practitoner who is being held hostage.

Also...I didn't think I needed to say it, but the Fiddler isn't a Fae. I mean, it's been pointed out by people several times before, but nope. He is not a Fae, True or Otherwise. He's a weird demon-spirit-thing of some kind, in that vaguely fuzzy Dresden Files category of 'Demon/Spirit/???'.
 
[X] Fire through Abby, quite probably killing her, to kill the Fiddler. Plus, she's part of his ritual, without her...well. If it can kill him, maybe it's worth it? And more than that, what if she wants it. It might be the way to solve this.

This is Winter King.
We do the Cold Hard Thing.

And the Fiddler does not get away, to do his ritual another day.
 
[X] Fire through Abby, quite probably killing her, to kill the Fiddler. Plus, she's part of his ritual, without her...well. If it can kill him, maybe it's worth it? And more than that, what if she wants it. It might be the way to solve this.

Cora might be a bit unhappy with him, maybe. Worth it to eliminate an enemy like the Fiddler.
 
[X] Fire through Abby, quite probably killing her, to kill the Fiddler. Plus, she's part of his ritual, without her...well. If it can kill him, maybe it's worth it? And more than that, what if she wants it. It might be the way to solve this.
 
Huh, honestly sorta surprised.

I thought I was giving you a hard choice, considering both options had huge downsides. Like, you know, Gabriella, who has been fighting to save Abby's life, being right there as you do this. You (probably) lose Abby, Gabriella...probably isn't going to react well at all, but if you can kill the Fiddler, is it worth it?

Instead it seems that it's a very easy decision to make.
 
Keeping the peace with local wizards might be more beneficial for us in the long run. We can always push Mr. Fiddler's face in later.

X] Don't fire through Abby. The Fiddler will get away, but he's been injured, he's lost his ship, and he's not getting allies after that. But it will mean he'll probably have a chance to try his little 'ritual' on Halloween, unless something else changes.
-[X] There's a...werewolf down in the hold, apparently. It might have something to do with...well, quite a few things in fact. One of them is the matter Cora brought to his attention involving the displaced Werewolf in the Hedge.
 
[X] Don't fire through Abby. The Fiddler will get away, but he's been injured, he's lost his ship, and he's not getting allies after that. But it will mean he'll probably have a chance to try his little 'ritual' on Halloween, unless something else changes.
-[X] There's a...werewolf down in the hold, apparently. It might have something to do with...well, quite a few things in fact. One of them is the matter Cora brought to his attention involving the displaced Werewolf in the Hedge.


fiiiine
 
[X] Don't fire through Abby. The Fiddler will get away, but he's been injured, he's lost his ship, and he's not getting allies after that. But it will mean he'll probably have a chance to try his little 'ritual' on Halloween, unless something else changes.
-[X] There's a...werewolf down in the hold, apparently. It might have something to do with...well, quite a few things in fact. One of them is the matter Cora brought to his attention involving the displaced Werewolf in the Hedge.


fiiiine

Wasn't trying to change your vote, honestly. Just pointing out factors in both side's favor. The other danger is that if you let him go, are you sure you'll be able to find him again?

If you can't, then that's really, really, really, really bad.
 
[X] Fire through Abby, quite probably killing her, to kill the Fiddler. Plus, she's part of his ritual, without her...well. If it can kill him, maybe it's worth it? And more than that, what if she wants it. It might be the way to solve this.

You don't let the guy get away with the woman he literally admitted to planning to rape. Plus he's doing the fiddle thing on her which she clearly isn't happy with.

Personally I'm surprised it got to this point, when I read the last update I thought it was obvious everyone would choose the option to rescue the prisoners, and sure, my fault there, I lost track of quests and forgot to vote. Still it baffles me people went for one of the three 'ignore the mind controlled and violated prisoners it's totes fine what's happened to them and what will happen to them' as opposed to the 'for fucks sake save the people we're literally here to save and stop the stupidly horrific thing from happening', but I guess people had different priorities.
 
[X] Don't fire through Abby. The Fiddler will get away, but he's been injured, he's lost his ship, and he's not getting allies after that. But it will mean he'll probably have a chance to try his little 'ritual' on Halloween, unless something else changes.
-[X] There's a...werewolf down in the hold, apparently. It might have something to do with...well, quite a few things in fact. One of them is the matter Cora brought to his attention involving the displaced Werewolf in the Hedge.
 
[X] Fire through Abby, quite probably killing her, to kill the Fiddler. Plus, she's part of his ritual, without her...well. If it can kill him, maybe it's worth it? And more than that, what if she wants it. It might be the way to solve this.

I don't really want to vote for this... but we've established the Winter King as cold and resolute, now. He'll either stay cold and resolute the whole time-- or he'll falter at the halfway mark. Personally, I think the better story is in not faltering.

[X] Fire through Abby, quite probably killing her, to kill the Fiddler. Plus, she's part of his ritual, without her...well. If it can kill him, maybe it's worth it? And more than that, what if she wants it. It might be the way to solve this.

You don't let the guy get away with the woman he literally admitted to planning to rape. Plus he's doing the fiddle thing on her which she clearly isn't happy with.

Personally I'm surprised it got to this point, when I read the last update I thought it was obvious everyone would choose the option to rescue the prisoners, and sure, my fault there, I lost track of quests and forgot to vote. Still it baffles me people went for one of the three 'ignore the mind controlled and violated prisoners it's totes fine what's happened to them and what will happen to them' as opposed to the 'for fucks sake save the people we're literally here to save and stop the stupidly horrific thing from happening', but I guess people had different priorities.

Some people may have been under the impression that they could have the best of both worlds. After all, no Fiddler, no one to hold people hostage. Also, the fact that this occurred because Cora didn't dedicate any time to researching what the Fiddler was up to-- well, that may have been a little frustrating, enough so that people wanted to go straight for the nuclear option and get it over with. But that's just wild speculation on something that's rather irrelevant at this point.
 
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[X] Fire through Abby, quite probably killing her, to kill the Fiddler. Plus, she's part of his ritual, without her...well. If it can kill him, maybe it's worth it? And more than that, what if she wants it. It might be the way to solve this.

Better she dies now and here than she dies in whatever gruesome way the Fiddler intends to kill her after mindraping her.
 
For me it was simply the practical approach.
Yet, as the Fiddler backed up and she with him, right until they were almost through the portal, hewatched.
It also seems to me that if we don't shoot now, the Fiddler would simply take her through the portal where either horrible things would happen to her or she would get killed in a further ritual regardless. From the flux in the shield and how it's not constant, along with her saying please (in a Dumbledore esque manner in HBP) there is also a chance that she is causing the shield to flucate.

Then there's the argument that aside from her own life, if the Fiddler escapes he would likely attempt the ritual again and even if he doesn't other people whom are likely to be innocent would be killed given the attitude he's displayed so far. The Fiddler also seems the guy to hold a grudge, meaning it highly likely he'd be back for another round if only for narrative purposes by the author.
 
[X] Don't fire through Abby. The Fiddler will get away, but he's been injured, he's lost his ship, and he's not getting allies after that. But it will mean he'll probably have a chance to try his little 'ritual' on Halloween, unless something else changes.
-[X] There's a...werewolf down in the hold, apparently. It might have something to do with...well, quite a few things in fact. One of them is the matter Cora brought to his attention involving the displaced Werewolf in the Hedge.

Shooting only has a possibility of disabling the Fiddler.

It seems very likely to split the party. Having an assured chance to rescue the rest of the hostages and escape the Nevernever is worth more tactically and ethically.
 
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[X] Fire through Abby, quite probably killing her, to kill the Fiddler. Plus, she's part of his ritual, without her...well. If it can kill him, maybe it's worth it? And more than that, what if she wants it. It might be the way to solve this.

I choose this option for two reasons:

(1). It is very much in character for Stoneguts.
Gabriella was already clearly unready for this and skeptical: when she'd been told the plan, she'd objected to the tune of concern for Abby.

And Stoneguts knew that if Cora was here, well--

She'd want to save Jason "Smiles" and not merely because of her son's attachment. And King Stoneguts had made the decision, right here and now where his monarch for the season was unable to see it, that killing the Fiddler mattered more.

Once he was dead, the pair could hopefully be retrieved, but if need be, risking them…

More coldness. And it was that same cold place that told him that if it wasn't for her status as a Wizard, he'd leave Gabriella behind.

But...if he had to face Cora…

He'd regret it and that wouldn't stop him from acting.

(2). I'm fast becoming sick of the Fiddler. He is good tool for and means to antagonsim, but he isn't a very effective antagonist.

He, his powers and his plans are all grandiose, but vague in a way that tends to drag after a while. He is not a direct threat to any Changeling (that is named/that matters) and as an indirect threat he seems to act mostly as a purveyor of the narrative equivalent of side-quests/mini-boss quests.


Also...I didn't think I needed to say it, but the Fiddler isn't a Fae. I mean, it's been pointed out by people several times before, but nope. He is not a Fae, True or Otherwise. He's a weird demon-spirit-thing of some kind, in that vaguely fuzzy Dresden Files category of 'Demon/Spirit/???'.

Most DF spirits tend to be very limited in their capacity and inclination to interact with and galavant about the mortal world without restriction.
Aside from the various types of vampires (spirits sharing and/or possessing human and/or once human flesh) and faeries (who amongst the spirits of the Nevernever are rather unique in their relationship with the mortal world), there aren't many spirits from the Nevernever who can freely machinate and carry out their machinations upon earth to the almost human degree that the Fiddler can.

So not unheard of, but still rare.


On a side note, I can't help but notice that DF faeries are bit like WoD werewolves.
However where a werewolf is a mortal that is part spirit, a faerie is spirit that is closely tied to the mortal world.

That is to say that faeries are a bit more 'physical' than most spirits (such that their bodies don't immediately start to dissolve into ectoplasm when they are killed on earth) and can survive quite well in both the Nevernever and mortal worlds (though the ubiquity of iron in modern society has made the civilised parts of earth that bit more uncomfortable for them).

I wonder if werewolves can (like DF faeries) hunt and feed within the Nevenever and still be free to return to and eat on earth as well, without risking dying from the ectoplasmic nutrition that their bodies taken in and used destabilising.
 
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For me it was simply the practical approach.

It also seems to me that if we don't shoot now, the Fiddler would simply take her through the portal where either horrible things would happen to her or she would get killed in a further ritual regardless. From the flux in the shield and how it's not constant, along with her saying please (in a Dumbledore esque manner in HBP) there is also a chance that she is causing the shield to flucate.

Then there's the argument that aside from her own life, if the Fiddler escapes he would likely attempt the ritual again and even if he doesn't other people whom are likely to be innocent would be killed given the attitude he's displayed so far. The Fiddler also seems the guy to hold a grudge, meaning it highly likely he'd be back for another round if only for narrative purposes by the author.

One thing to note, either way, is that it's still two days until Halloween. The day is probably important for the ritual, and thus you can assume that they have to at least be vaguely-something-like-alive until that day. And after, considering he's specifically mentioned her bearing an Antichrist, and you can't have nine months of pregnancy if you're, well, dead.
 
X] Don't fire through Abby. The Fiddler will get away, but he's been injured, he's lost his ship, and he's not getting allies after that. But it will mean he'll probably have a chance to try his little 'ritual' on Halloween, unless something else changes.
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[X] Fire through Abby, quite probably killing her, to kill the Fiddler. Plus, she's part of his ritual, without her...well. If it can kill him, maybe it's worth it? And more than that, what if she wants it. It might be the way to solve this.
 
[X] Don't fire through Abby. The Fiddler will get away, but he's been injured, he's lost his ship, and he's not getting allies after that. But it will mean he'll probably have a chance to try his little 'ritual' on Halloween, unless something else changes.
-[X] There's a...werewolf down in the hold, apparently. It might have something to do with...well, quite a few things in fact. One of them is the matter Cora brought to his attention involving the displaced Werewolf in the Hedge.
 
It's pretty close, it seems. Don't know what's winning. I admit, I honestly didn't expect you to choose the actions you did getting up to this point, honestly.

Vote closes tomorrow night.

I think Fire Through is currently winning, but it is close, so, well, who knows what will happen?
 
Right now it's nine to six. Surprised, but eh. We'll see how it winds up. Not closing votes yet, but just noting that right now Fire is winning.

Also, one thing I'm confused about: why do people think the Fiddler is going to personally have sex with/rape Abby. I mean, there's still evil shit planned for Halloween (though you know for a fact that he's planning on having her live (which makes one of you)), but considering he took Jason "Smiles."

I mean, logic here. He kidnapped a woman. He kidnapped a man.

So yeah, he's going to leave her alive until or long after Halloween, whether she wants to be alive or not, unless something interferes either to, you know, stop him, kill her, or, as is currently winning, try to do both.

Interesting gambit. It'll be a shame to remove Abby as a character considering I'd set up a lot of plot and backstory involving her (and Cora had spent time befriending her and etc), but that's how it goes, I guess?

You know, once this arc is over, I might talk about 'Might have beens.'

Like, this went completely not how I expected at all.
 
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By the way, vote closes at 5 PM.

Also, if @veekie wants, they can spend their currently unused bonus points (they have two) for extra rolls. Or @NemoMarx , or the other two on the list.

I'm going to be rolling to see, if it is done, whether Abby instantly dies or whether there's a slight/low chance of her survival...and also whether the Fiddler dies, because if your dice suck enough, you could kill Abby and not even kill him. It'd be unlikely, though, to be honest. But if you want to rig things in your favor, anyone with Bonus Points can roll two unmarked D100s and I'll subtract one bonus point, and if the result is better than what I'll have rolled, I'll keep it.

/It's totally not just a way to clear out Bonus Points since nobody seems to be using them.
 
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I admit, I honestly didn't expect you to choose the actions you did getting up to this point, honestly.

Agreed on that. I'd expected people to prioritise above all else rescuing the hostages, but that didn't happen.

So yeah, he's going to leave her alive until or long after Halloween, whether she wants to be alive or not, unless something interferes either to, you know, stop him, kill her, or, as is currently winning, try to do both.

Interesting gambit. It'll be a shame to remove Abby as a character considering I'd set up a lot of plot and backstory involving her (and Cora had spent time befriending her and etc), but that's how it goes, I guess?

Given most of the assault group are changelings I have to feel the way the Fiddler has been acting and the shit he has been saying has got to have been very reminiscent of the True Fae for them, despite him not being one. I mean with the rape and mind control and planning on completely fucking up Jason's brain...

Durance is not a fun time, and preventing someone from getting their own version, no matter the cost seems to me to be a pretty obvious choice.
 
Agreed on that. I'd expected people to prioritise above all else rescuing the hostages, but that didn't happen.



Given most of the assault group are changelings I have to feel the way the Fiddler has been acting and the shit he has been saying has got to have been very reminiscent of the True Fae for them, despite him not being one. I mean with the rape and mind control and planning on completely fucking up Jason's brain...

Durance is not a fun time, and preventing someone from getting their own version, no matter the cost seems to me to be a pretty obvious choice.

Yeah, going after them in the boat ahead of time rather than trying to find the ritual on the earthside was always the choice that'd have quite a few risks attached to it, so I was sorta thinking that the risk-adverse (SV can be very risk adverse) action would be to wait for the ritual and try to disrupt it.

So most of my plans (and the foreshadowing, especially with the other member of the Prophet Circle that suddenly disappeared for *reasons*) were based around that happening, actually. I gave the option to do otherwise because you'd done the work that'd allow it to at least be attempted/done, but I hadn't necessarily expected people to take it, or keep on pushing with it. Especially above any focus on rescuing the hostages.
 
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