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The King James Victory Parade - Avatar: The Way of Water and sequels

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SpiritFluid said:
Empire got an interview(s?) with James Cameron for the film, which are scattered about in a disparate state right now because their upcoming issue is only gonna be about this film and will have a lot of exclusives and the like, so, publicity.

But for now and still, some important tidbits
  1. The film is 3 hours long (which he's rather aggressive about, which… I don't really get, that's just A Thing that's starting to come back with films anyways, Avengers ans The Batman being most immediately to mind, but eh)
  2. He doesn't give a single fuck for people who think Avatar didn't have an impact (which I think we can agree is an argument we'll just let sit there like a dog, because the entire page above feels a decent enough to and fro on that)
  3. He's thinking he might have someone else direct Avatar 4 and 5, since he's been wanting to work on other projects and those films will be very big and involved. Robert Rodriguez was floated in the article due to Alita: Battle Angel, but that's more explaining that this has happened before then confirmation of "he's gonna be making an Avatar film"
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I love how peeved Cameron comes off in this interview. It's just nice to have some flavor to these sorts of interviews rather than the bland banalities that usually accompany movie promotion.

Eventua said:
I know this is a joke but honestly, I sincerely hope every single one of these movies takes its concepts and just goes as ham as possible with them. Gimme a musical/culture war story about undead musician-furries in a battle for the soul of an alien world.
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Total insanity would be a nice break from the more focus-tested blockbusters we've gotten used to.
 
tankdrop24 said:
Try 100%

www.empireonline.com

Stephen Lang’s Quaritch Is ‘Bigger, Bluer, And Pissed Off’ In Avatar 2 – Exclusive Image

The military commander antagonist of the original Avatar is back for the sequel, and he looks a little different. Read more at Empire.
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They're explicitly laying out that the RDA is bringing people back from the dead in Avatar form.
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It's great that this movie will takes the in-universe technology that served in the first movie as a gimmick to have the heroes as blue cat-people and explores the ramifications of such technology, which raises questions about how technology can affect an redefine a person, notably their identity, which is a sort of going back to the old roots of science-fiction. (and it's also done on the Navi side with the "reincarnated" Sigourney Weaver)

Also now the RDA has a 3-D printed mass produced armies, my inner technology porn fanboy is pleased.
 
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I had already spotted Avatar-Quaritch in the available previews, its going to be interesting to see how they deal with it in terms of how he handles now being an "alien" that he hates.
 
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I'm getting unironically interested in where this story will go now. This shit sounds wild.
 
Reborn!Quatrich, who is 20 feet tall and as wide as his robot: Making the mother of all Unobtainium omelettes here, Jake! Can't fret over every egg.

Jake: That's a nice argument, general. Why don't you back it up with a source?

Reborn!Quatrich: My source is I made it the fuck up.
 
Idle thought: since Jake's avatar was originally for his twin brother, do you think that the RDA might had stored his memories too and resurrected him? That could be interesting to have Jake confront someone from his family who still is on the opposite side of the conflict.
 
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ElMariachi said:
Idle thought:since Jake's avatar was originally for his twin brother, do you think that the RDA might had stored his memories too and resurrected him? That could be interesting to have Jake confront someone from his family who still is on the opposite side of the conflict.
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Oooh, I could see it! Especially given the emphasis on "Family" as main theme in the trailer, that would be a neat twist with a lot of potential.
 
ElMariachi said:
Idle thought: since Jake's avatar was originally for his twin brother, do you think that the RDA might had stored his memories too and resurrected him? That could be interesting to have Jake confront someone from his family who still is on the opposite side of the conflict.
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They still need to save something for films 3, 4, and 5.
 
Vympel said:
I had already spotted Avatar-Quaritch in the available previews, its going to be interesting to see how they deal with it in terms of how he handles now being an "alien" that he hates.
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If it gives him a second chance at revenge and set Na'vi forward and become the harbinger of "civilization" for the Na'vi once the obstacles. It may well be worth it.

I also hope for a reference about how RDA should drop a rock on Pandora that gets dismissed by the board as an economically unsound move.
 
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Frankly, I hope the RDA shows up again with bigger ships and gets clowned on again, just to make the people who have been whining since 2009 cope and seethe.
 
Personally hoping for a third faction to show up, a rival corporation or spacefaring aliens, would be boring if it's just RDA vs Na'vi.
 
The more I think about it, and the more this "Recoms" technology is insane in its implications: we've already seen that the humans can grow Navi/Human hybrids to serve as avatars, so creating a perfect clone of a human shouldn't be harder, and if they have a way to save someone's memories in real time (or even if they do it by collecting the deceased person's brain) to inject them to a fresh clone when they die, that means that they figured out fucking immortality! (well, if you put aside interrogations about the soul or what happens if there are two people "resurrected" active at the same time)

The final scene of the first movie was the Navi permanently transferring Jake's mind in a new body, and we had in a previous scene Grace joining the nature's collective consciousness thingy to presumably (and now confirmed) be reincarnated later, and now the human can do that to!

I really wonder if James Cameron will explore the ramifications of the Recoms technology, or if it'll just be a gimmick to justify the return of fan favorite antagonist Quaritch.
 
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gyrobot said:
I also hope for a reference about how RDA should drop a rock on Pandora that gets dismissed by the board as an economically unsound move.
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Honestly the RDA's profit margins are the biggest possible nerf on Earth's efforts to get Unobtanium out of Pandora. The first movie doesn't really get into it save by implication but the script was a bit clearer and I think Cameron still had it in mind in the final product: the RDA basically is obsessed with getting the Na'vi to be the workforce for their mining operations because it's so expensive to carry Humans back and forth between Pandora. In the company's long term vision before the first movie's events proved it culturally impossible and I guess they just... got frustrated and tried to bomb the Na'vi into submission I suppose... their ideal Pandora, all problems solved, might have looked something like Spanish colonialism with a caste of Avatar administrators directing the Na'vi to extract Unobtanium and put it on minimally crewed cargo vessels back to Earth.

Now, this movie implies they're... just doubling down on trying to fight the Na'vi into submission on this? The details that their new base is an automated, complete arms production facility and the idea of Recoms cycling in dead soldiers as Avatars implies they're trying a more serious conventional military presence to enforce their terms--and to be fair, the "Pandorapedia" materials had some fascinating details I vaguely recall about the weapons and equipment they were fielding on Pandora being woefully out of date because the company needed cheap and rugged against Pandora's wild electromagnetic conditions, so there's room to escalate if they're not too cheap for it--but their objectives and thus grand strategy haven't changed. If this were a centralized Earth military willing to eat the cost and go "yeah, we need Unobtanium, the Na'vi can't be convinced, drop rocks and we'll set up bases in the ashes" then it would be over without the Na'vi even knowing it was a fight.

And thus, only the blind greed of their enemies gives the Na'vi a fighting chance.
 
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I mean if you want human miners to mine rocks in uncomfortable space suits in a hellish environment then sure the RDA would be for it. But this kind of work condition is only going to eat into more profit margins from the inevitable unrest coming from the miners and sympathetic staff.
 
ZerbanDaGreat said:
But... ugh. Avatar had such a bad environmentalist message, y'know? Bad in that special way only environmental fiction can be bad, inspiring reactive antipathy in such a large amount of the viewership. Avatar didn't preach moderation. It didn't preach reasonable goals
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Sonic CD has a more reasonable message with in the good future technology learning to coexist with nature instead of one side dominating the other. Sonic fucking CD has a better and more nuanced environmentalist message then Avatar.

plus the Navi seemed to have been genetically engineered to function in harmony in Pandora.
 
Oh, right, the re-release is this weekend. I forgot.
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'Avatar' returns to theaters as Disney tries to hype audiences for its long-delayed sequel

Estimates for the "Avatar" rerelease range from $7 million to $12 million, with box-office analysts saying a figure in the mid-teens would be "huge."
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  • James Cameron's "Avatar" returns to domestic cinemas this weekend, three months before the release of the sequel "Avatar: The Way of Water."
  • Bringing the highest-grossing film in cinematic history back to theaters has two purposes for Disney: drum up excitement for the Avatar franchise and fill a vacant spot on the theatrical calendar.
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IIRC, Cameron recently said that if people only know Avatar through Netflix or Blu-Ray, they're Doing It Wrong, and they should watch it on the big screen.
 
Mizu said:
That's a bit bizarre. The movie message and graphics are the same regardless, after all.
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But the Cinematic Experience™!

...This really has me wanting to put a :eyeroll: here, but as much as I loathe to say it, there is something about seeing and hearing a film in IMAX presentation. (Not necessarily Avatar, though, which I haven't seen at all in any format, even after all these years.)
 
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ElMariachi said:
Avatar is one of the few movies that was designed and filmed from the beginning for 3D, and a friend of mine who saw it in theater confirmed that the "woah" effect is exponentially greater.
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Aye, as someone whose seen it both in theatres originally and later on DVD, I can confirm there's a significant gap in the "wow" factor.

That said, I don't know if I honestly have the energy to go back to cinemas for it.
 
I mean, watching a play live is simply preferable than watching it on my tablet.

I didn't watch Avatar when it came out so yeah I'd definitely be watching it in theatres.
 
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