The Icon of Sin, Gundam Build Diver Re:Rise (and Fighter)/40k AU, Ft Nihilo

If you want flying monsters, best you start looking at the Deldar, then.
They have a group with bat & bird wings.
Perhaps, thus, something for later?
 
@Hastar

► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
Any word on this, by the by?

Aside from what's been mentioned about the Silvers and the Chaos Spawn. Also, huh, apparently Chaos Spawn count as Fast Attack instead of Elites, makes sense with how fast they apparently are. Must've misread.

But hey, I think this means more breathing room since I thiiiink point budgets are divided between categories?

Also, still waiting to hear on this:


I'm also pondering Ghorgons, Manticores and Jabberslythe. The first are the most dubious since they are kinda-sorta Khorne aligned I think, on top of me already having the Silvers jotted down for anti-large, but I suppose they could be an option if the Silvers end up completely nonviable for some reason (unlikely, since if needs must I can just run them like regular-ass skin wolves and they'll still do a good job). The other two are just "I'd like some flying monsters, please and thank you", since all I got rn is hate-angels and at most 2-3 heldrakes (likely to be just the one, honestly). Jabber seems kinda Nurgle aligned, but from a quick look it seems to just be ugly as sin and with toxic blood, no godawful reek and trails of wiggling mess to worry about.

@ArchAIngel got any data on these?
So, for the Ghorgon, in TWW it's got a weird as fuck niche.

See, it's a giant monster, with good magebane, but this is "Everyone not on my side has a flat 25% higher miscast chance get fucked". However, while it's got a lot of HP and decent damage in melee, it's got crap armor and meh defense/to-hit stats. Kind of crap as a Monster, if you get me, though it can stall another Monster well.

However, it's a Monster. And its role in the Beastman army?

Artillery. So artillery, which is usually "Some random fucking dudes with swords at a cannon", being a giant gribblefuck? Well, it makes your artillery line a hell of a lot harder to wipe out. They chuck BIG ROCK BTW.

This said: Ghorgons have the other issue that they-

....

I'm writing about Cygors. Fuck me. sighs.

Okay, so I don't know Ghorgons or Jabberslythes from TWW, much as the entire fandom is SCREAMING for them to be added to Beastmen. I do know Manticores, though and they're kind of...

Not worth it? They're character mounts, which they're good at, but they suck compared to everyone else's airpower aside from Poison, which is... not that great, in TWW. They're a Thing That Exists, I Guess, there.

I will say you do not want a Cygor. Not because they're mechanically bad, they're awesome in TWW! But they also have a hard-on for eating non-Beastman mages. And while you're a Slaaneshi, I don't think you want to be vored by a giant furry.
 
Artillery. So artillery, which is usually "Some random fucking dudes with swords at a cannon", being a giant gribblefuck? Well, it makes your artillery line a hell of a lot harder to wipe out. They chuck BIG ROCK BTW.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
Oh, nice. I'd definitely love some of that in my army.

This said: Ghorgons have the other issue that they-
What is the issue with Ghorgons? You kinda just trailed off into the issues Cygors have, which are a different unit. Or do Ghorgons also like eating mages?

Not worth it? They're character mounts, which they're good at, but they suck compared to everyone else's airpower aside from Poison, which is... not that great, in TWW. They're a Thing That Exists, I Guess, there.
Aight, not worth it, especially when Jabber exists who also has poison and presumably does it better. Any data on that one, by the by?

And while you're a Slaaneshi, I don't think you want to be vored by a giant furry.
If I'm getting eaten, it damn well won't be that way, no.

Also, please, go ahead and get all the white girls fuck dogs jokes out of your system. I know what I did by designing the Silvers. (thonks on those, by the by?)

If you want flying monsters, best you start looking at the Deldar, then.
They have a group with bat & bird wings.
Perhaps, thus, something for later?
That's not monsters. Those are Deldar who've gotten surgeries. Deldar would just piss themselves the moment a slaaneshi daemon glances their way.

Nonviable.
 
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► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
That's not monsters. Those are Deldar who've gotten surgeries. Deldar would just piss themselves the moment a slaaneshi daemon glances their way.

Nonviable.
Not even as parts donors?
You want the wings.
Else it's some Imperial Saint or so, for said wings.
Most are all batwings, you know and that particular kit has at least two full sets, in them.
Who cares about all the other body parts?
Those could be part of some baseplate setup.
 
Not even as parts donors?
You want the wings.
Else it's some Imperial Saint or so, for said wings.
Most are all batwings, you know and that particular kit has at least two full sets, in them.
Who cares about all the other body parts?
Those could be part of some baseplate setup.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
Oh, if you mean for kitbashes to make the hate-angels...

Oh, fuck yeah, some of them DO have feathered wings like I wanted. That means I don't need to burn money on St Celestine.


Yeah, just grab those wings and tack them on some daemonette models, call them hate-angels and I'm done.
 
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Oh, if you mean for kitbashes to make the hate-angels...

Oh, fuck yeah, some of them DO have feathered wings like I wanted. That means I don't need to burn money on St Celestine.


Yeah, just grab those wings and tack them on some daemonette models, call them hate-angels and I'm done.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
The armor doesn't look too bad, either. At least on the male model. Could probably repurpose it for something since I'd have the parts anyways. Maybe some voidsuits for the Horde?

Seems like a waste to get the whole sprue only to take the wings and nothing else. Unless there's some way to edit the BP so it only spits out the parts I want at the Gundam Base printer? @Hastar
 
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
The armor doesn't look too bad, either. At least on the male model. Could probably repurpose it for something since I'd have the parts anyways. Maybe some voidsuits for the Horde?

Seems like a waste to get the whole sprue only to take the wings and nothing else. Unless there's some way to edit the BP so it only spits out the parts I want at the Gundam Base printer? @Hastar
You can always grab the feather one it's legs and use it on the Bat one.
Then you just need to give it some proper backpack, in the same style.
There, a more complete female one.
I do think the fully armored food ones, are perfect for adding in a digigrade powerbocking pony ballet boots, their looks to them, you know.
And you can always layer some plasticard on the female one, to counter that boob armor look, a bit.
Think of the various Mass Effect armors, they had that Boob Armor too, but some had it plated over.
Can you run such a armor as how your player character looks, when armored up?
Because then you might want to go to town on atleast one of them.

I do hope you can get some Genestealer transports, since they look quite Hivecity like.
It's that or some exploratory transport or a cargo-truck, for now.


If you want to laugh, use your birdies as a Mechanicum made winged baby servitors, that have grown up and are now, quite hostile.
🤣


Now, with the Soritas having a Skeleton Emperor on their flags and the Inquisition having Saurons Searching Eye as part of their symbol, which a lot of the Soritas also wear...
How corrupt are they?
And to which one of the four?
😆🙃😉
 
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► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
Oh, nice. I'd definitely love some of that in my army.


What is the issue with Ghorgons? You kinda just trailed off into the issues Cygors have, which are a different unit. Or do Ghorgons also like eating mages?


Aight, not worth it, especially when Jabber exists who also has poison and presumably does it better. Any data on that one, by the by?


If I'm getting eaten, it damn well won't be that way, no.

Also, please, go ahead and get all the white girls fuck dogs jokes out of your system. I know what I did by designing the Silvers. (thonks on those, by the by?)


That's not monsters. Those are Deldar who've gotten surgeries. Deldar would just piss themselves the moment a slaaneshi daemon glances their way.

Nonviable.
Oh no, I mean that every single thing I described there was Cygors. I did take the time to dig up the Beastman books from WHF(Obviously not for 40k, lmao) which are a bit of a nuisance. Why?

Latest edition was fucking 7th for them.

Everyone else, mostly, got to 8th. Poor Brettonia.

Regardless, the Jabberslythes are Nurglites as fuck, because they're incredibly ugly. No, seriously. It's so ugly it causes morale tests around it, and if you fail? Eat shit, take damage. You hit it? Eat shit, take damage. IT's also described as covered in sprites, flies, and bile. They're also quite durable and slow.

They also have a downside in you'll need to trust Wagyu to manage them, because only experienced or gifted Bray-Shamans can wrangle them.

Great tanks and passive DPS, of course, but uh. VERY Nurglite. VERY VERY NURGLITE.

Now, Ghorgons, and again I'm drawing from 7th Beastmen. These are killing machines who are super duper uber Minotaurs, and EAT Minotaurs. Mino+++. Problem: They're hungry fuckers, and again, only the most gifted shaman can grab them. And they're STILL noted to randomly eat your dudes.

However! They also are REALLY attacky in melee, very tough, and very hard to kill, because they can forego making its SIX normal attacks(huge) to make 1... with a Killing Blow 4+. AKA "A 50% of just killing this unit if it's not a hero or monster". And if it does that? Get 1d3 of its 6 Wounds back. So kind of sustaining slaughter-tanks. Also, they have Stubborn, Immune to Psychology, and Frenzy, so as long as they don't rout, and they are HARD to rout, they are blending even harder. Add on Terror and this thing getting stuck in is very mean.

It's pretty Khorney, though, yeah.

As for your Totally Not Skinwolves?

If I ever fight your toys in TWW-alike setups they're priority #1 because they'd fuck most builds more than they're fucking you. Skinwolves weakness was always that they're a bit slow by the standards of cav, and as such you could maul them with harass cavalry if you were clever. Slaanesh-ing them up now?

May as well just call them "You Don't Get Anything Smaller Than A Tank".

Seriously, if you weren't in 40k where guns are common I'd outright call them busted bullshit that needs a nerf. They already are by TWW rules, held back by Norsca having an economy made of two wet farts and a stinky loincloth passed down from their daddy.

Absolute goddamn nightmares. You'd best make sure they make plenty of puppies for your warband because that'll crush everything not a tank, and I wouldn't want to be in a light tank.

Probably weak to armored vehicles and walkers around 40k, though.

Oh right, if you want to see how space combat works, I have plenty of options there, hit me up on Discord and I'll stream it for you and ramble about ships. I like ships. You may have noticed this.
 
Oh no, I mean that every single thing I described there was Cygors.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
Joy and rapture. Going to have to fiddle with things, then. Alright, let's see...

IT's also described as covered in sprites, flies, and bile. They're also quite durable and slow.
Fuck. Yeah, I do NOT want to deal with that. However, standard Chaos Spawn mutations which can proc are natural armor and pretty strong poison. So there's room for me to say Guernica is experimenting yet again and making some sort of slaaneshi take on the things. Toxic blood (if via copious amount of drugs) is something slaaneshi do. Terrifying stuff they can also do (disgust is Nurgle, but something like grotesques in art terms is Slaanesh) and they do love mental fuckery, so that's another check.

Basically, it'd be crunch wise identical to the Jabber, but with different fluff and looks. Which, to my understanding, nobody would grumble much over about because it is ancient tradition to invoke "counts as". The only sticking point is that they're slow, but since it's a slaaneshi's fleshcrafting project it needn't conform to how slaanesh daemons are super fast glass cannons.

It's pretty Khorney, though, yeah.
Ya, that one is a slightly tougher sell, but I think I can still go "there goes Guernica experimenting again". Slaaneshi do frenzy in their own way and gluttony+cannibalism is very them, so I can see it working. Although there would need to be some restraining bolts to keep it from just eating scores of monoeyes during transit. Could just give them the Chaos Dread special of getting knocked out and chained down while not deployed.

Maybe say they're made from Hullghasts (and god, digging up info on these was a pain in the ass), that could be a decent base material. Otherwise, eh, just grab some dumbfuck minotaurs and introduce them to the wonders of slaanesh worship and all the cannibalism that entails.

...Huh, if there are Ghilliam even in something as relatively small as an Imperial Navy frigate, they are probably all chaos spawn due to the sheer amount of chaos juice pumped into the ship. Just having the lowest decks be a warpy ecosystem of chaos beasts and chaos spawn mainly sustained by the warp not giving a shit and making more biomass appear out of nowhere could be neat, explain where all the raw materials for Guernica's CS experiments are coming from (without anyone getting grumpy at her constantly kidnapping actual crew to use as test dummies) and keep all these slaaneshi fucks happy and fed by having a hunting ground.

Probably weak to armored vehicles and walkers around 40k, though.
Ya, plus I removed their resistance to non-magic damage. And "weakness to fire" here means flamers, plasma, volkite and probably meltas and rad. An argument could be made for las, but honestly, IG don't need it with their ability to pump out 250 lasgun shots in one go.

Oh right, if you want to see how space combat works, I have plenty of options there, hit me up on Discord and I'll stream it for you and ramble about ships. I like ships. You may have noticed this.
I should try to scratch build some of the Eternals and send them to you. Sure, GBNO would probably throw a fucking fit unless I get them to work on those weird "MS girl" rules I heard about, but I don't think you even play that. And without either that or a 200 bucks pedestal you aren't going to get more from them than being nice figurines on your shelves.

But hey, still worth.

And ya, I'll poke you on space combat later. I'm probably not going to do much of it, mind you, at least not ship-to-ship. It's going to either be taking the Sarcophagus for a spin in regular GBNO content or getting my frigate close enough to the enemy to teleport in and start having fun.

And you can always layer some plasticard on the female one, to counter that boob armor look, a bit.
Think of the various Mass Effect armors, they had that Boob Armor too, but some had it plated over.
Ya, but that means extra work and I'd likely be using them for the Horde's voidsuits and that means dozens upon dozens of models. Sculpting or casting some plating over the titty is fine when it's just a few models, less so when there's so goddamn many.

Easier to just claim there are tits under that armor, just squished down so they aren't very noticeable.
I do hope you can get some Genestealer transports, since they look quite Hivecity like.
It's that or some exploratory transport or a cargo-truck, for now.
Eh, transports aren't all that needed when your army is
1) Hideously fast
2) Can for the most part just be summoned wherever needed

I may get a few metal boxes and dropships for the Horde and slaangor, but that'd be about it.
Also, IC-Galatea would be moving away from the grungy look of hive shit and into something cleaner, because slaaneshi who wants no reminders of being an underhive pipe rat.
 
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► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
Joy and rapture. Going to have to fiddle with things, then. Alright, let's see...


Fuck. Yeah, I do NOT want to deal with that. However, standard Chaos Spawn mutations which can proc are natural armor and pretty strong poison. So there's room for me to say Guernica is experimenting yet again and making some sort of slaaneshi take on the things. Toxic blood (if via copious amount of drugs) is something slaaneshi do. Terrifying stuff they can also do (disgust is Nurgle, but something like grotesques in art terms is Slaanesh) and they do love mental fuckery, so that's another check.

Basically, it'd be crunch wise identical to the Jabber, but with different fluff and looks. Which, to my understanding, nobody would grumble much over about because it is ancient tradition to invoke "counts as". The only sticking point is that they're slow, but since it's a slaaneshi's fleshcrafting project it needn't conform to how slaanesh daemons are super fast glass cannons.
There's precedent for God-Themed Spawn in the Mutalith Vortex Beast, and other Spawny things, so this 100% tracks. Tamurkhan even gives us a weird fucking Spawn who's a Nurgle Worshipper and also a serious face sorcerer, of all things. And yes, Counts As is 100% in theme for 40k tabletop, you should see how many models got subbed in for Harlies in Deldar armies because the Harlie models were for the longest time ugly enough Slaanesh didn't want them. Like, god damn they were bad.

Now, for the next bit...
Ya, that one is a slightly tougher sell, but I think I can still go "there goes Guernica experimenting again". Slaaneshi do frenzy in their own way and gluttony+cannibalism is very them, so I can see it working. Although there would need to be some restraining bolts to keep it from just eating scores of monoeyes during transit. Could just give them the Chaos Dread special of getting knocked out and chained down while not deployed.

Maybe say they're made from Hullghasts (and god, digging up info on these was a pain in the ass), that could be a decent base material. Otherwise, eh, just grab some dumbfuck minotaurs and introduce them to the wonders of slaanesh worship and all the cannibalism that entails.

...Huh, if there are Ghilliam even in something as relatively small as an Imperial Navy frigate, they are probably all chaos spawn due to the sheer amount of chaos juice pumped into the ship. Just having the lowest decks be a warpy ecosystem of chaos beasts and chaos spawn mainly sustained by the warp not giving a shit and making more biomass appear out of nowhere could be neat, explain where all the raw materials for Guernica's CS experiments are coming from (without anyone getting grumpy at her constantly kidnapping actual crew to use as test dummies) and keep all these slaaneshi fucks happy and fed by having a hunting ground.
The good news is a Ghorgon has four arms, so if you look at the Keeper of Secrets model, just bulk it the fuck up. Like, really bulk the fuck up. Give it ROIDS. Skinny bitches need more muscle.

As for Mino and cannibalism? Frankly, introducing them isn't so much needed as getting them to do it enough instead of ripping everyone in the group to shreds. A more... dedicated, project, to meld them properly. Because Minotaurs are so hungry for any meat at all holy shit that one of the biggest things they did in the lore that made an entire region's minotaurs lose their shit and start killing villages by the bushel?

They found a naturally cool, dry cave with pointy as fuck hangy rocks that you could stick things on. The Larder of Kalkengrad.

This is a job about as hard as convincing you to go whole hog on random weird ideas that strike your muse. They'll do it. The issue is getting something useful instead of a braying pile of muscle with no bones from the dumbfucks eating the wrong things.
I should try to scratch build some of the Eternals and send them to you. Sure, GBNO would probably throw a fucking fit unless I get them to work on those weird "MS girl" rules I heard about, but I don't think you even play that. And without either that or a 200 bucks pedestal you aren't going to get more from them than being nice figurines on your shelves.

But hey, still worth.

And ya, I'll poke you on space combat later. I'm probably not going to do much of it, mind you, at least not ship-to-ship. It's going to either be taking the Sarcophagus for a spin in regular GBNO content or getting my frigate close enough to the enemy to teleport in and start having fun.
I'd appreciate the figurines. One of the issues of being an old fuck: Your hand-eye coordination is shot. I'd like to join! I can't because I have trouble writing by hand, never mind this detail shit. So playing? 200% off the table, I can manage TWW and BFGA and suchlike, but past that? Lmao, no.

And I understand, it's something I like doing because there is a shocking amount of depth I can ramble about, and you can also hear me bitch about the Vengeance Class Grand Cruiser! It's the opposite of the historical British Invincible class battlecruisers. They put a giant pile of escort batteries on a step-below-battleship warship. Meanwhile the Invincible had 16-inchers and couldn't go full steam because waves would cave in her bow.

Trust me I have Words for you. Just prod me. Need time to set up a stream with my jank ass net. Probably load a BFGA2 save really, the early game is kind of meh aside from the Mechanicum who just need to get to cruisers then everyone fucking dies.
 
I'd appreciate the figurines. One of the issues of being an old fuck: Your hand-eye coordination is shot. I'd like to join! I can't because I have trouble writing by hand, never mind this detail shit. So playing? 200% off the table, I can manage TWW and BFGA and suchlike, but past that? Lmao, no.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
There is the option of getting already built and painted minis, but that's expensive and getting them delivered to nowheria intact only makes it worse. And you don't have a car last I checked, so heading out to yard sales and whatnot to just nyoink people's old stuff is also a no-go.

But well, if I can figure out how to send you those scratch builds, I can probably figure something out to at least get you playing fulldive killteam. I assume no interest in regular GBNO content, as an aside.

Like, god damn they were bad.
Mutilator bad? Because god, the things I've seen.



...Jesus fuck.

There's precedent for God-Themed Spawn in the Mutalith Vortex Beast, and other Spawny things, so this 100% tracks.
Ya, not sure if the fluff would be directing and locking the mutations of a Chaos Spawn into an useful monster or just taking a Chaos Beast and working from there. Probably the former since it's more in line with what Guernica is working towards with her research.

The good news is a Ghorgon has four arms, so if you look at the Keeper of Secrets model, just bulk it the fuck up. Like, really bulk the fuck up. Give it ROIDS. Skinny bitches need more muscle.
Lmao. Well, they ARE going to be few enough (heavy support and all) that I could just mod some KoS models instead of use the actual Ghorgon mini, yeah. Sounds like a fun project.

This is a job about as hard as convincing you to go whole hog on random weird ideas that strike your muse. They'll do it. The issue is getting something useful instead of a braying pile of muscle with no bones from the dumbfucks eating the wrong things.
That flesh forest is going to get a lot of mileage (by the by, does that sound viable? It'd just be a chaosy take on a hydrophonics bay). Also, poor Guernica and Demilo, having to enforce a diet plan on these things if I go that route fluff wise. Sure, it's the sumo wrestler sort of dieting, but still.

Trust me I have Words for you. Just prod me. Need time to set up a stream with my jank ass net. Probably load a BFGA2 save really, the early game is kind of meh aside from the Mechanicum who just need to get to cruisers then everyone fucking dies.
kek

Will do. Although I'd like to keep as much of it as possible in this thread. It's the first time anything of mine has gotten remotely popular and interacted with on the daily. So I want to keep bumping the damn thing.
 
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
Aight, so, let's see here...

Troops: Daemonettes, Slaangor (shittier Ogryn), Arges Horde (basically IG platoons, rarely deployed)
Elites: Bestigor (more or less Bullgryn), Arcadian Silvers (rare), Fiends of Slaanesh, Jabberslythes (rare)
Heavy Support: Obliterators (rare), Forgefiends (very rare), Chariots of Slaanesh, Mutalith (rare), Ghorgons (rare)
Fast Attack: Seekers of Slaanesh, Hate-Angels (count as Slaaneshi Furies), Chaos Spawn (common), Heldrakes (very rare), Death Wheels (maybe. If they can be downscaled)
Characters: Epitomes (Mirror of Absorption), Enrapturesses (Heartstring Lyre), Alluresses/Heart Seekers/Houri (with 20pt daemonic rewards), Bray Shamans, Great Silverbacks (with two chaos boons), Foremen (Sergeants for AH platoons)
HQ: Keepers of Secrets, Heralds of Slaanesh (Lamu, by that point), Chaos Champion (Gala, by that point), Chaos Lord (Guernica, would have some weird rules), Master of the Horde (Boatswain), Great Bray Shaman (Demilo, by that point)

Common: Plentiful despite it's nominal category
Rare: Requires Abelian or Guernica to do fucked up experiments and get something successful
Very Rare: Requires trade

Ghorgons are Heavy Support, no question about it. Gigantic units who are both crude artillery and murder blenders. Jabbers I'm tentatively putting down as Elites instead, since Terminators and Beasts of Nurgle count as such, so I think that's the best fit.

By the by, guys (@Hastar ) how viable do you think it is to just take a Death Wheel and downscale the fuck out of it so it is the size of a sideways Leman Russ or even smaller, with the stats getting reduced accordingly? I like the image of these fucking things just breaking through super tough formation lines so the chariots can roll in to mop up the disarrayed mess.
 
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Blessedly, the modern Obliterator model doesn't make me want to convert to Malal.
That looks like an Ogryn cosplaying as a Chaos Dreadnought, then some DarkMech loon decapitated them and installed a genetically standard human's head as a cybernetic control system.
 
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Apologies for response delay, reality do in fact be reality.
There is the option of getting already built and painted minis, but that's expensive and getting them delivered to nowheria intact only makes it worse. And you don't have a car last I checked, so heading out to yard sales and whatnot to just nyoink people's old stuff is also a no-go.

But well, if I can figure out how to send you those scratch builds, I can probably figure something out to at least get you playing fulldive killteam. I assume no interest in regular GBNO content, as an aside.
You get me a platter, I can rig a connection. I'm not quite blind enough yet to fail at something as pigshit simple as turning a modem's guts inside-out, and I have a few old ones. Shouldn't be that hard, and I have a car, I just loathe driving.

Now, off the personal nonsense, into topics worth discussing.
This is your reminder that this is from the era when the clown goblins successfully terrified Ahriman, THE Chaos Sorcerer, into thinking "I don't want to fight them fuck fuck fuck" with like, 20 clown goblins without names.

By taking several thousand dead clown goblins and psychically animating them in a grand carnival ritual so they're all dancing and spinning and doing clown things when he arrived, and he freaks out and RUNS.

The Dawn of War 1 novelization was mostly REALLY BAD, with things like throwing literal rocks at Eldar hovertanks smashing them up, but that was a shining gem in a pile of shit.
Ya, not sure if the fluff would be directing and locking the mutations of a Chaos Spawn into an useful monster or just taking a Chaos Beast and working from there. Probably the former since it's more in line with what Guernica is working towards with her research.
Mutations. Definitely mutations. Spawn mutate a LOT. Making them mutate more is easy. Locking them down, hard.
That flesh forest is going to get a lot of mileage (by the by, does that sound viable? It'd just be a chaosy take on a hydrophonics bay). Also, poor Guernica and Demilo, having to enforce a diet plan on these things if I go that route fluff wise. Sure, it's the sumo wrestler sort of dieting, but still.
It's the kind of thing that is a "Yeah that tracks". There's weirder, eviller shit out there. As for the diet plan? Just make sure it's all in meat. Lots of meat. Raw and fresh preferred. They're kidna freaks like that.

Also, show'em red if you want 'em to eat. They're so ludicrously blood-hungry they think red = food. Yes. You wave red flags at the bull men.
Although I'd like to keep as much of it as possible in this thread. It's the first time anything of mine has gotten remotely popular and interacted with on the daily. So I want to keep bumping the damn thing.
Just do transcription you dumbass. You know I just ramble and ramble and ramble.
 
You get me a platter, I can rig a connection. I'm not quite blind enough yet to fail at something as pigshit simple as turning a modem's guts inside-out, and I have a few old ones. Shouldn't be that hard, and I have a car, I just loathe driving.

Now, off the personal nonsense, into topics worth discussing.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
Aight, I'll see what I can do. The Eternals are probably going to be "take a break from making the nth daemonette/slaangor" project. Also, they maaaay be able to work in Killteam if you go "uh huh, these absolutely count as []" but I have no idea what the hell would remotely compare to a bote in that game mode other than custards. If you can figure out something for that, great, if not. Eh. Just tell me what Killteam starter box you want and I'll get it ready for you.

Making them mutate more is easy. Locking them down, hard.
Yep. Although looking at some of the WHF art, it seems like more stable forms instead of wild tangles of limbs aren't entirely out of the question.


Also, a refresher on Guernica's data and why she's interested in messing with Chaos Spawn. Spoilers for future campaigns, obviously.

Guernica:
  • Former sorcerous Chaos Lord of Slaanesh who got too much attention and only managed a miracle in saving her soul and mind from spawndom at the cost of her body.
  • Can only slowly inch along thanks to telekinesis. Otherwise her only mobility option is teleporting once an hour.
  • Not really an usable unit in conventional play, instead serving as the steward for the troop hub. Can serve as a base boss in some modes of play, though, throwing a hell of a lot of mind bullets at invaders before teleporting out.
  • Can cut away her mutations and suppress them from reappearing, returning her mobility to her in exchange for having a good chunk of her psychic power tied up and having to later suffer for a while. Keeps this a secret ace in the hole.
  • Unable to act as an active piece in the Great Game and earn favor that way, instead has become a mercenary. She provides sorcerous aid and general advising to up and coming Champions and Lords, in exchange for getting second-hand favor, taking some detours to dig up arcane lore and items and tithing test subjects.
  • Plans to learn from the Flesh Shapers of Melancholia (directly or through their texts and a lot of victims) to craft an empty body able to withstand her corruption without warping, then further develop an extensive ritual for severing the narrative of spawndom from herself and transfer her soul and mind into the new body.
  • Views Slaanesh and the whole of Chaos and the Great Game through a deeply jaded lens of mercenary work, very much including the employers being liable to stiff you, double cross you, or worse.
  • Has kept painstaking record of her grudges, which aren't small with how her warband responded to her fall from grace and how she's looked down upon by many for her pitiful situation. Fully plans to even the scores once she's recovered.
  • Very much a pressure cooker like Lobotomeme Angela. Talks about the same as her, too. If without the massive hatred for longwindedness. Yes, she can tutor you on how to drink champagne with polite company.
  • Likes to address people as "O [???] mine".

It's the kind of thing that is a "Yeah that tracks". There's weirder, eviller shit out there. As for the diet plan? Just make sure it's all in meat. Lots of meat. Raw and fresh preferred. They're kidna freaks like that.

Also, show'em red if you want 'em to eat. They're so ludicrously blood-hungry they think red = food. Yes. You wave red flags at the bull men.
Lmao. Just mix their funky chaos drugs with some minced meat and make it wiggle with telekinesis.

Also, good to know the lower decks being just a warpy slice of deathworld forest is lore friendly. It sparks a lot of joy. I was originally thinking of renaming the ship to Athame (like the ritual dagger) once it's taken over, but a different name may be in order given both this and the playground it's become for a vashtorite merc and a slaaneshi fleshshaper.

Just do transcription you dumbass. You know I just ramble and ramble and ramble.
Lmao. Fair enough.

Speaking of rambling: How shitty are beastmen harpies?
 
Troops: Daemonettes, Slaangor (shittier Ogryn), Arges Horde (basically IG platoons, rarely deployed)
Elites: Bestigor (more or less Bullgryn), Arcadian Silvers (rare), Fiends of Slaanesh, Jabberslythes (rare)
Heavy Support: Obliterators (rare), Forgefiends (very rare), Chariots of Slaanesh, Mutalith (rare), Ghorgons (rare)
Fast Attack: Seekers of Slaanesh, Hate-Angels (count as Slaaneshi Furies), Chaos Spawn (common), Heldrakes (very rare), Death Wheels (maybe. If they can be downscaled)
Characters: Epitomes (Mirror of Absorption), Enrapturesses (Heartstring Lyre), Alluresses/Heart Seekers/Houri (with 20pt daemonic rewards), Bray Shamans, Great Silverbacks (with two chaos boons), Foremen (Sergeants for AH platoons)
HQ: Keepers of Secrets, Heralds of Slaanesh (Lamu, by that point), Chaos Champion (Gala, by that point), Chaos Lord (Guernica, would have some weird rules), Master of the Horde (Boatswain), Great Bray Shaman (Demilo, by that point)
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
Actually, fielding KoS would be pretty awkward for the longest time, since by all rights THEY would be calling the shots if they even bothered with a mere Champion's warband. I could, of course, ignore or bullshit through this, but I'm an immersion freak so it'd itch horribly. I'll just save them for when Galatea becomes a Daemon Princess (which would also mean the KoS would count as Heavy Support instead of HQ and thus be easier to field to boot).

Until then, Ghorgons fulfill more or less the same role of huge murderblender getting in fast and hard (dug around and it seems like they technically don't get to play crude artillery, that's Cygor only and apparently they don't count as such. Doesn't matter, I got Obliterators and Forgefiends for that). Although to my understanding they're specced towards killing other high value targets rather than mulching chaff. That's fine, I got Jabbers as an anti-infantry monster. Then there's Mutaliths as huge psychic batteries and turrets that won't fucking die because strong passive regen.

It's also funny to me that I'm basically nicking a unit that's loosely associated with each of the other three gods (Ghorgon, Jabberslythe, Mutalith), which is actually in line with Slaanesh who apparently loves taking the blue, green and red of the others and making them eyesearingly bright for her own holy colors whenever she isn't just using shades of pink and purple.
 
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I was originally thinking of renaming the ship to Athame (like the ritual dagger) once it's taken over, but a different name may be in order given both this and the playground it's become for a vashtorite merc and a slaaneshi fleshshaper.
I haven't the faintest on names. You know I write. You know how it is.

As for harpies, well, narratively they serve the role of scouts. Mechanically, in TWW?

They're crappy flying arrow-catchers who at most shut down harass archers and cav. Otherwise they just kinda suck shit past early game.

On TT they're cheap flying arrow-catchers who you can toss into archers to tie them up.

They're also explicitly fugly, you aren't seeing Papi here.
 
I haven't the faintest on names. You know I write. You know how it is.

As for harpies, well, narratively they serve the role of scouts. Mechanically, in TWW?

They're crappy flying arrow-catchers who at most shut down harass archers and cav. Otherwise they just kinda suck shit past early game.

On TT they're cheap flying arrow-catchers who you can toss into archers to tie them up.

They're also explicitly fugly, you aren't seeing Papi here.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
Blessedly, thanks to Hate-Angels, I can have my pretty feathered monstergirls to shove my face into.

And they'll work better anyways since they get Daemons of Slaanesh rules. Which is going to make them insanely fast and give them Rending. On top of the typical daemonic bennie of "lmao, I summon more gits where you don't want 'em".

Here's the current sketches:


 
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Voluntelling names
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
Aight, going to summarize for anyone who hasn't been keeping up with the thread and also so I can pelt people in discord with this link so they reply here.

Trying to name a Sword Class Frigate hijacked by a slaaneshi Champion and her budding warband of daemons and beastmen. The crew are cyclops mutants with hair in pastel tones and who wear bright orange due to being formerly a penal legion of sorts. There are also a vashtorite daemon and slaaneshi flesh shaper as mercs on long term contracts setting up workshops in there and talking the crew into experiments. Also harvesting shit from the lower decks for it.

Its lower decks are a warp-ecosystem, the ghillians and hullgasts there turned into chaos spawn by the ritual that turned the ship to chaos. The whole thing is now a mix of idyllic forest and deathworld. All the flora and fauna are Chaos Beasts and Chaos Spawns, biomass and "clean" (varying amounts of drugs, but not filthy by any measure) water being produced in excess of the stuff pumped down there by the waste disposal systems of the ship vis a vis warp nonsense.

Overall, it acts as a very chaos-y hydrophonics where daemons and beastmen can go hunt and forage and have a good time so nobody starts eating or kidnapping the actual crew.

I would also like to name this lower decks flesh forest, but I'm coming up blank.

General naming schema for the whole warband is grecian (and works of art. Galatea, Guernica, Demilo), but I'm willing to hear suggestions beyond it so long as they don't clash too much with that flavor.

...For that matter, the warband itself needs a name too.
 
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(OOC: Porting over some replies from people who couldn't be arsed to answer out of discord)

►Ash19256 (Verified Missile Man)
I mean, the obvious option would be Kopis - ie., name it after a Greek sword.

►BitternessExpress (Smug But Humble)
Perverse Elysium

► AssMasterOfCalais (Wounded Ape)
Foloi/Pholoe Abyss

Named after the forest of the same name

Which gained its name from a tale of Herakles, who had unintentionally killed a centaur friend of his, Pholus, in a drunken brawl. So dismayed, he buried his friend in the forest and named it after him
 
►Ash19256 (Verified Missile Man)
I mean, the obvious option would be Kopis - ie., name it after a Greek sword.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
Athame was the tentative name before I worked things out more, may still use it if nobody gives me a better idea.

►BitternessExpress (Smug But Humble)
Perverse Elysium
Hmmm. Not terrible, but a bit bland. Pass.

► AssMasterOfCalais (Wounded Ape)
Foloi/Pholoe Abyss
Foloian Forest/Pholoe's Pit work quite nicely for the low decks themselves. It could also be the ship name, maybe? Something like Pholoe's Larder/Bounty/Cornucopia.

I'll think on it more, but definitely liking these.
 
Foloian Forest/Pholoe's Pit work quite nicely for the low decks themselves. It could also be the ship name, maybe? Something like Pholoe's Larder/Bounty/Cornucopia.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
Foloian Forest for the lower decks, which the Arges Horde will often call Fool Forest. Because wew does it eat a lot of cocky idiots.

Pholoe's Cornucopia meanwhile is fancy shmancy enough for a ship name. It could also maybe be a bit of a plot hook? Say that a daemon with that as an use name took an interest in the ritual and made the lower decks like that, so Galatea named the ship in their honor. Could be an Exalted Herald of Slaanesh, could be a low grade Keeper of Secrets.

Still, gives some extra fun stuff in future campaigns if that favor is called in.

Warband still needs a name and I'm certainly still accepting name ideas for ship and forest, though.
 
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