So, for the Ghorgon, in TWW it's got a weird as fuck niche.@Hastar
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Any word on this, by the by?
Aside from what's been mentioned about the Silvers and the Chaos Spawn. Also, huh, apparently Chaos Spawn count as Fast Attack instead of Elites, makes sense with how fast they apparently are. Must've misread.
But hey, I think this means more breathing room since I thiiiink point budgets are divided between categories?
Also, still waiting to hear on this:
I'm also pondering Ghorgons, Manticores and Jabberslythe. The first are the most dubious since they are kinda-sorta Khorne aligned I think, on top of me already having the Silvers jotted down for anti-large, but I suppose they could be an option if the Silvers end up completely nonviable for some reason (unlikely, since if needs must I can just run them like regular-ass skin wolves and they'll still do a good job). The other two are just "I'd like some flying monsters, please and thank you", since all I got rn is hate-angels and at most 2-3 heldrakes (likely to be just the one, honestly). Jabber seems kinda Nurgle aligned, but from a quick look it seems to just be ugly as sin and with toxic blood, no godawful reek and trails of wiggling mess to worry about.
@ArchAIngel got any data on these?
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)Artillery. So artillery, which is usually "Some random fucking dudes with swords at a cannon", being a giant gribblefuck? Well, it makes your artillery line a hell of a lot harder to wipe out. They chuck BIG ROCK BTW.
What is the issue with Ghorgons? You kinda just trailed off into the issues Cygors have, which are a different unit. Or do Ghorgons also like eating mages?
Aight, not worth it, especially when Jabber exists who also has poison and presumably does it better. Any data on that one, by the by?Not worth it? They're character mounts, which they're good at, but they suck compared to everyone else's airpower aside from Poison, which is... not that great, in TWW. They're a Thing That Exists, I Guess, there.
If I'm getting eaten, it damn well won't be that way, no.And while you're a Slaaneshi, I don't think you want to be vored by a giant furry.
That's not monsters. Those are Deldar who've gotten surgeries. Deldar would just piss themselves the moment a slaaneshi daemon glances their way.If you want flying monsters, best you start looking at the Deldar, then.
They have a group with bat & bird wings.
Perhaps, thus, something for later?
Not even as parts donors?► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
That's not monsters. Those are Deldar who've gotten surgeries. Deldar would just piss themselves the moment a slaaneshi daemon glances their way.
Nonviable.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)Not even as parts donors?
You want the wings.
Else it's some Imperial Saint or so, for said wings.
Most are all batwings, you know and that particular kit has at least two full sets, in them.
Who cares about all the other body parts?
Those could be part of some baseplate setup.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)Oh, if you mean for kitbashes to make the hate-angels...
Oh, fuck yeah, some of them DO have feathered wings like I wanted. That means I don't need to burn money on St Celestine.
Yeah, just grab those wings and tack them on some daemonette models, call them hate-angels and I'm done.
You can always grab the feather one it's legs and use it on the Bat one.► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
The armor doesn't look too bad, either. At least on the male model. Could probably repurpose it for something since I'd have the parts anyways. Maybe some voidsuits for the Horde?
Seems like a waste to get the whole sprue only to take the wings and nothing else. Unless there's some way to edit the BP so it only spits out the parts I want at the Gundam Base printer? @Hastar
Oh no, I mean that every single thing I described there was Cygors. I did take the time to dig up the Beastman books from WHF(Obviously not for 40k, lmao) which are a bit of a nuisance. Why?► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
Oh, nice. I'd definitely love some of that in my army.
What is the issue with Ghorgons? You kinda just trailed off into the issues Cygors have, which are a different unit. Or do Ghorgons also like eating mages?
Aight, not worth it, especially when Jabber exists who also has poison and presumably does it better. Any data on that one, by the by?
If I'm getting eaten, it damn well won't be that way, no.
Also, please, go ahead and get all the white girls fuck dogs jokes out of your system. I know what I did by designing the Silvers. (thonks on those, by the by?)
That's not monsters. Those are Deldar who've gotten surgeries. Deldar would just piss themselves the moment a slaaneshi daemon glances their way.
Nonviable.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)Oh no, I mean that every single thing I described there was Cygors.
Fuck. Yeah, I do NOT want to deal with that. However, standard Chaos Spawn mutations which can proc are natural armor and pretty strong poison. So there's room for me to say Guernica is experimenting yet again and making some sort of slaaneshi take on the things. Toxic blood (if via copious amount of drugs) is something slaaneshi do. Terrifying stuff they can also do (disgust is Nurgle, but something like grotesques in art terms is Slaanesh) and they do love mental fuckery, so that's another check.IT's also described as covered in sprites, flies, and bile. They're also quite durable and slow.
Ya, that one is a slightly tougher sell, but I think I can still go "there goes Guernica experimenting again". Slaaneshi do frenzy in their own way and gluttony+cannibalism is very them, so I can see it working. Although there would need to be some restraining bolts to keep it from just eating scores of monoeyes during transit. Could just give them the Chaos Dread special of getting knocked out and chained down while not deployed.
Ya, plus I removed their resistance to non-magic damage. And "weakness to fire" here means flamers, plasma, volkite and probably meltas and rad. An argument could be made for las, but honestly, IG don't need it with their ability to pump out 250 lasgun shots in one go.Probably weak to armored vehicles and walkers around 40k, though.
I should try to scratch build some of the Eternals and send them to you. Sure, GBNO would probably throw a fucking fit unless I get them to work on those weird "MS girl" rules I heard about, but I don't think you even play that. And without either that or a 200 bucks pedestal you aren't going to get more from them than being nice figurines on your shelves.Oh right, if you want to see how space combat works, I have plenty of options there, hit me up on Discord and I'll stream it for you and ramble about ships. I like ships. You may have noticed this.
Ya, but that means extra work and I'd likely be using them for the Horde's voidsuits and that means dozens upon dozens of models. Sculpting or casting some plating over the titty is fine when it's just a few models, less so when there's so goddamn many.And you can always layer some plasticard on the female one, to counter that boob armor look, a bit.
Think of the various Mass Effect armors, they had that Boob Armor too, but some had it plated over.
Eh, transports aren't all that needed when your army isI do hope you can get some Genestealer transports, since they look quite Hivecity like.
It's that or some exploratory transport or a cargo-truck, for now.
There's precedent for God-Themed Spawn in the Mutalith Vortex Beast, and other Spawny things, so this 100% tracks. Tamurkhan even gives us a weird fucking Spawn who's a Nurgle Worshipper and also a serious face sorcerer, of all things. And yes, Counts As is 100% in theme for 40k tabletop, you should see how many models got subbed in for Harlies in Deldar armies because the Harlie models were for the longest time ugly enough Slaanesh didn't want them. Like, god damn they were bad.► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
Joy and rapture. Going to have to fiddle with things, then. Alright, let's see...
Fuck. Yeah, I do NOT want to deal with that. However, standard Chaos Spawn mutations which can proc are natural armor and pretty strong poison. So there's room for me to say Guernica is experimenting yet again and making some sort of slaaneshi take on the things. Toxic blood (if via copious amount of drugs) is something slaaneshi do. Terrifying stuff they can also do (disgust is Nurgle, but something like grotesques in art terms is Slaanesh) and they do love mental fuckery, so that's another check.
Basically, it'd be crunch wise identical to the Jabber, but with different fluff and looks. Which, to my understanding, nobody would grumble much over about because it is ancient tradition to invoke "counts as". The only sticking point is that they're slow, but since it's a slaaneshi's fleshcrafting project it needn't conform to how slaanesh daemons are super fast glass cannons.
The good news is a Ghorgon has four arms, so if you look at the Keeper of Secrets model, just bulk it the fuck up. Like, really bulk the fuck up. Give it ROIDS. Skinny bitches need more muscle.Ya, that one is a slightly tougher sell, but I think I can still go "there goes Guernica experimenting again". Slaaneshi do frenzy in their own way and gluttony+cannibalism is very them, so I can see it working. Although there would need to be some restraining bolts to keep it from just eating scores of monoeyes during transit. Could just give them the Chaos Dread special of getting knocked out and chained down while not deployed.
Maybe say they're made from Hullghasts (and god, digging up info on these was a pain in the ass), that could be a decent base material. Otherwise, eh, just grab some dumbfuck minotaurs and introduce them to the wonders of slaanesh worship and all the cannibalism that entails.
...Huh, if there are Ghilliam even in something as relatively small as an Imperial Navy frigate, they are probably all chaos spawn due to the sheer amount of chaos juice pumped into the ship. Just having the lowest decks be a warpy ecosystem of chaos beasts and chaos spawn mainly sustained by the warp not giving a shit and making more biomass appear out of nowhere could be neat, explain where all the raw materials for Guernica's CS experiments are coming from (without anyone getting grumpy at her constantly kidnapping actual crew to use as test dummies) and keep all these slaaneshi fucks happy and fed by having a hunting ground.
I'd appreciate the figurines. One of the issues of being an old fuck: Your hand-eye coordination is shot. I'd like to join! I can't because I have trouble writing by hand, never mind this detail shit. So playing? 200% off the table, I can manage TWW and BFGA and suchlike, but past that? Lmao, no.I should try to scratch build some of the Eternals and send them to you. Sure, GBNO would probably throw a fucking fit unless I get them to work on those weird "MS girl" rules I heard about, but I don't think you even play that. And without either that or a 200 bucks pedestal you aren't going to get more from them than being nice figurines on your shelves.
But hey, still worth.
And ya, I'll poke you on space combat later. I'm probably not going to do much of it, mind you, at least not ship-to-ship. It's going to either be taking the Sarcophagus for a spin in regular GBNO content or getting my frigate close enough to the enemy to teleport in and start having fun.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)I'd appreciate the figurines. One of the issues of being an old fuck: Your hand-eye coordination is shot. I'd like to join! I can't because I have trouble writing by hand, never mind this detail shit. So playing? 200% off the table, I can manage TWW and BFGA and suchlike, but past that? Lmao, no.
Mutilator bad? Because god, the things I've seen.
Ya, not sure if the fluff would be directing and locking the mutations of a Chaos Spawn into an useful monster or just taking a Chaos Beast and working from there. Probably the former since it's more in line with what Guernica is working towards with her research.There's precedent for God-Themed Spawn in the Mutalith Vortex Beast, and other Spawny things, so this 100% tracks.
Lmao. Well, they ARE going to be few enough (heavy support and all) that I could just mod some KoS models instead of use the actual Ghorgon mini, yeah. Sounds like a fun project.The good news is a Ghorgon has four arms, so if you look at the Keeper of Secrets model, just bulk it the fuck up. Like, really bulk the fuck up. Give it ROIDS. Skinny bitches need more muscle.
That flesh forest is going to get a lot of mileage (by the by, does that sound viable? It'd just be a chaosy take on a hydrophonics bay). Also, poor Guernica and Demilo, having to enforce a diet plan on these things if I go that route fluff wise. Sure, it's the sumo wrestler sort of dieting, but still.This is a job about as hard as convincing you to go whole hog on random weird ideas that strike your muse. They'll do it. The issue is getting something useful instead of a braying pile of muscle with no bones from the dumbfucks eating the wrong things.
kekTrust me I have Words for you. Just prod me. Need time to set up a stream with my jank ass net. Probably load a BFGA2 save really, the early game is kind of meh aside from the Mechanicum who just need to get to cruisers then everyone fucking dies.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)
That looks like an Ogryn cosplaying as a Chaos Dreadnought, then some DarkMech loon decapitated them and installed a genetically standard human's head as a cybernetic control system.Blessedly, the modern Obliterator model doesn't make me want to convert to Malal.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)That looks like an Ogryn cosplaying as a Chaos Dreadnought, then some DarkMech loon decapitated them and installed a genetically standard human's head as a cybernetic control system.
You get me a platter, I can rig a connection. I'm not quite blind enough yet to fail at something as pigshit simple as turning a modem's guts inside-out, and I have a few old ones. Shouldn't be that hard, and I have a car, I just loathe driving.There is the option of getting already built and painted minis, but that's expensive and getting them delivered to nowheria intact only makes it worse. And you don't have a car last I checked, so heading out to yard sales and whatnot to just nyoink people's old stuff is also a no-go.
But well, if I can figure out how to send you those scratch builds, I can probably figure something out to at least get you playing fulldive killteam. I assume no interest in regular GBNO content, as an aside.
This is your reminder that this is from the era when the clown goblins successfully terrified Ahriman, THE Chaos Sorcerer, into thinking "I don't want to fight them fuck fuck fuck" with like, 20 clown goblins without names.
Mutations. Definitely mutations. Spawn mutate a LOT. Making them mutate more is easy. Locking them down, hard.Ya, not sure if the fluff would be directing and locking the mutations of a Chaos Spawn into an useful monster or just taking a Chaos Beast and working from there. Probably the former since it's more in line with what Guernica is working towards with her research.
It's the kind of thing that is a "Yeah that tracks". There's weirder, eviller shit out there. As for the diet plan? Just make sure it's all in meat. Lots of meat. Raw and fresh preferred. They're kidna freaks like that.That flesh forest is going to get a lot of mileage (by the by, does that sound viable? It'd just be a chaosy take on a hydrophonics bay). Also, poor Guernica and Demilo, having to enforce a diet plan on these things if I go that route fluff wise. Sure, it's the sumo wrestler sort of dieting, but still.
Just do transcription you dumbass. You know I just ramble and ramble and ramble.Although I'd like to keep as much of it as possible in this thread. It's the first time anything of mine has gotten remotely popular and interacted with on the daily. So I want to keep bumping the damn thing.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)You get me a platter, I can rig a connection. I'm not quite blind enough yet to fail at something as pigshit simple as turning a modem's guts inside-out, and I have a few old ones. Shouldn't be that hard, and I have a car, I just loathe driving.
Now, off the personal nonsense, into topics worth discussing.
Yep. Although looking at some of the WHF art, it seems like more stable forms instead of wild tangles of limbs aren't entirely out of the question.
Lmao. Just mix their funky chaos drugs with some minced meat and make it wiggle with telekinesis.It's the kind of thing that is a "Yeah that tracks". There's weirder, eviller shit out there. As for the diet plan? Just make sure it's all in meat. Lots of meat. Raw and fresh preferred. They're kidna freaks like that.
Also, show'em red if you want 'em to eat. They're so ludicrously blood-hungry they think red = food. Yes. You wave red flags at the bull men.
Lmao. Fair enough.Just do transcription you dumbass. You know I just ramble and ramble and ramble.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)Troops: Daemonettes, Slaangor (shittier Ogryn), Arges Horde (basically IG platoons, rarely deployed)
Elites: Bestigor (more or less Bullgryn), Arcadian Silvers (rare), Fiends of Slaanesh, Jabberslythes (rare)
Heavy Support: Obliterators (rare), Forgefiends (very rare), Chariots of Slaanesh, Mutalith (rare), Ghorgons (rare)
Fast Attack: Seekers of Slaanesh, Hate-Angels (count as Slaaneshi Furies), Chaos Spawn (common), Heldrakes (very rare), Death Wheels (maybe. If they can be downscaled)
Characters: Epitomes (Mirror of Absorption), Enrapturesses (Heartstring Lyre), Alluresses/Heart Seekers/Houri (with 20pt daemonic rewards), Bray Shamans, Great Silverbacks (with two chaos boons), Foremen (Sergeants for AH platoons)
HQ: Keepers of Secrets, Heralds of Slaanesh (Lamu, by that point), Chaos Champion (Gala, by that point), Chaos Lord (Guernica, would have some weird rules), Master of the Horde (Boatswain), Great Bray Shaman (Demilo, by that point)
I haven't the faintest on names. You know I write. You know how it is.I was originally thinking of renaming the ship to Athame (like the ritual dagger) once it's taken over, but a different name may be in order given both this and the playground it's become for a vashtorite merc and a slaaneshi fleshshaper.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)I haven't the faintest on names. You know I write. You know how it is.
As for harpies, well, narratively they serve the role of scouts. Mechanically, in TWW?
They're crappy flying arrow-catchers who at most shut down harass archers and cav. Otherwise they just kinda suck shit past early game.
On TT they're cheap flying arrow-catchers who you can toss into archers to tie them up.
They're also explicitly fugly, you aren't seeing Papi here.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)►Ash19256 (Verified Missile Man)
I mean, the obvious option would be Kopis - ie., name it after a Greek sword.
Hmmm. Not terrible, but a bit bland. Pass.
Foloian Forest/Pholoe's Pit work quite nicely for the low decks themselves. It could also be the ship name, maybe? Something like Pholoe's Larder/Bounty/Cornucopia.
► ModernPygmalion (Galatea My Beloved)Foloian Forest/Pholoe's Pit work quite nicely for the low decks themselves. It could also be the ship name, maybe? Something like Pholoe's Larder/Bounty/Cornucopia.