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The House of Twilight [Destiny Nation Builder Quest]
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Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
Honestly, seeing as The City relies on Ghosts to create more Guardians and doesnt do it itself, I doubt we are going to gain their power any time soon.
Asmodemus
Subversive Element
They do have somewhat of a reason to not upset whatever remains of the Traveler and probably a cultural thing about the Ghosts given how important they are and the fact they're clearly sentient and have personalities to some extent.
I doubt the Exos would approve of people going 'they're just robots' for one.
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Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
And/or its something they are not capable of.
Honestly, the ability to raise the dead and even the long dead? They could take over the solar system! Dont just dismiss the fact that they dont do something as something they are culturally inclined to not do.
Asmodemus
Subversive Element
Even if we don't get their exact capabilities, it may open doors for us that could boost our power greatly in ways we wouldn't expect. Don't dismiss the fact that we've been given a extremely unlikely research opportunity and it's potentials just because it hasn't been used by people in canon before now.
God and the Snake
A Swamp of a Human Being
It's not just technological information we could gain, but also reams of tactical data: This Ghost has spent centuries scouring the Solar System, searching for its Guardian. It might contain information on Golden Age military and research facilities, potential Devil and King fortifications on Earth, knowledge onf the Nine if its pierced this deep into the Jovians...
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Dark Abstraction
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You ignore the fact that good relations with the Cassini humans can get us an in with Guardians too.
Because a resurrected Golden Age colonization fleet come home in glory, guided by refurbished vessels from the height of their era?
That is a Faction. That is a Faction that Guardians will flock to, seeking wisdom, knowledge, and aid in the many ways that only Golden Age humans could provide.
And they will be told that they are merely a majority, for some choose to remain with their rescuers. The House of Twilight, for whom they owe their lives and their ability to be present on earth at all.
Guardians will want to know more. Willl want to travel to the edge of the Traveler's Light to meet this mysterious House that gives friendship and assistance to humans who couldn't ask for it.
We don't need to search for Guardians to experiment on. Eventually, we'll have Guardians coming to us. From there, we need only get Warlocks in a room with our many scientists.
Because a resurrected Golden Age colonization fleet come home in glory, guided by refurbished vessels from the height of their era?
That is a Faction. That is a Faction that Guardians will flock to, seeking wisdom, knowledge, and aid in the many ways that only Golden Age humans could provide.
And they will be told that they are merely a majority, for some choose to remain with their rescuers. The House of Twilight, for whom they owe their lives and their ability to be present on earth at all.
Guardians will want to know more. Willl want to travel to the edge of the Traveler's Light to meet this mysterious House that gives friendship and assistance to humans who couldn't ask for it.
We don't need to search for Guardians to experiment on. Eventually, we'll have Guardians coming to us. From there, we need only get Warlocks in a room with our many scientists.
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They don't do small squads yet.
Asmodemus
Subversive Element
Because the Guardians will find it quite easy to trust Fallen.
Or be willing to have themselves experimented on.
Or their sources of immortality, the Ghosts, who are somewhat of a religious icon I'd surmise, at least for some.
Oh yes, one human fleet will totally help them get over their prejudice, over what the things that bring them back from death tell them, the source of their power. They will eagerly share with the creatures that they've killed so many of, their greatest secrets, weaknesses and strengths.
Just like how GDI would totally be willing to share Ion technology with a Nod general if they saved some refugees.
I prefer not to gamble away the jackpot of a technological find delivered into my hands, on the slim chance of someone who views me as an enemy deciding maybe I'm not so bad and letting me take what pictures I want of what they have, to poke and prod them to study them. Because some people are far too attached to humanity to view things properly, because some get all rosy and misty eyed about alliance with the City to see what it really means and would entail.
Or be willing to have themselves experimented on.
Or their sources of immortality, the Ghosts, who are somewhat of a religious icon I'd surmise, at least for some.
Oh yes, one human fleet will totally help them get over their prejudice, over what the things that bring them back from death tell them, the source of their power. They will eagerly share with the creatures that they've killed so many of, their greatest secrets, weaknesses and strengths.
Just like how GDI would totally be willing to share Ion technology with a Nod general if they saved some refugees.
I prefer not to gamble away the jackpot of a technological find delivered into my hands, on the slim chance of someone who views me as an enemy deciding maybe I'm not so bad and letting me take what pictures I want of what they have, to poke and prod them to study them. Because some people are far too attached to humanity to view things properly, because some get all rosy and misty eyed about alliance with the City to see what it really means and would entail.
Oh yes, oh joy, they have an ARMY to send to our demand for payment for our hostage.
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And here's your issue. You for some reason think we have to do highly invasive experimentation to figure out how the guardians and ghosts work. I highly doubt that.
That maybe a faster way of doing it but it's not the only way.
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Asmodemus
Subversive Element
Twenty turns of passive progress for two turns of highly invasive study, or more, or a bit less, is worth it in my mind. Especially for someone who makes an extremely poor political bargaining chip and we generally don't like.
Dark Abstraction
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Way to ignore that entire point. They aren't taking our word for it. They're taking Captain Wesley's. And his Golden Age colonist micro-fleet.
One word : thanatonauts.
Not for all though.
A Golden Age fleet. So yes.
Like the humans do to the eliksni. And yet, that's not how this House operates. This House that is at least half human, at present.
Means dick all to me, I don't know who the fuck those people are.
I don't see a Ghost and Guardian as being that valuable. Not by a mile.
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You might want to go the Mengele route but I sure don't.
Dark Abstraction
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Invasive experiments, no thank you. We have 600 years til canon. We can afford slower research that doesn't burn any bridges.
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Tabi
Expert Jissou Abuser
You'd need to pass so many perfect critical successes that it'd be the stuff of legends.
Roughly 600, though I'd say 500 by the end of this little arc.
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Asmodemus
Subversive Element
Like how the USA would give an ISIS commander the blueprints to make abrams tanks if he helped a cruise liner full of refugees from Syria that got stuck.
A living Ghost and Guardian, captured, without the Guardian getting connections to the City and a whole political shitstorm about them ending up in our grasp?
It's fucking valuable.
I want to go the route we're not giving away the City everything they need to finally purge the solar system of the invasive races IE: US
And not getting anything for ourselves, because we're all too busy being the nice guys with shiny white capes to take steps to ensure our own power.
I'm not advocating we slowly torture him to death, just study him and learn what we can.
Oh look, it IS our only shot at understanding anything!
Joy to have that confirmed, eh?
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And now your pulling that out of your ass. That only confirmed it would take a ton of crits that way. It's probably the same for the highly invasive experimentation you want to do.
Tabi
Expert Jissou Abuser
I never said it's the only path, thank you very much.
Just that you'd need so many successful rolls that if you did manage to get on that path, it'd be a miracle. It's so improbable that I might even call it impossible.
More or less.
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Never said it would be passive. Just that it wouldn't be highly invasive.
Sides if you really want to understand guardians and ghosts quickly guess what? Your going to want them on your side and helping you. I bet you Osiris in canon probably knows the stuff you want to know.
Asmodemus
Subversive Element
For completely understanding the Guardians?
I meant real likely shot.
So there's no benefit to studying him more invasively?
Tabi
Expert Jissou Abuser
It's not like he can die, right? Knock yourself out.
In any case, unless you have outright magic like the Hive or access to a Universal Remote like the Vex, the odds of getting any real metaphysical upgrades are simply so outrageous as to not matter whether or not the study is invasive.
I mean, you'd probably figure something out. But come on, do you really think you can figure out how to gain access to Light with just one Guardian and his Ghost without access to the arcane or Hax?
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