Change the wording on the standing throngs part of the invasion to just be "All standing throngs." As a catch-all in case of high rolls for the standing throngs, we're raising this turn, mean they're ready in time for the invasion. That's why the version of the plan I have in my spreadsheet is worded like that at least.
 
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If it's a war turn, might mammoths be more useful since their enhancement of armies has a different mechanical effect than on conquest @Chimeraguard , based on how dragons and Tauri effected armies in our last war?

Sorry to pester you when you and @Sir LagsAlot planned so much and know more, but I'm OCD and want to be sure.
 
If it's a war turn, might mammoths be more useful since their enhancement of armies has a different mechanical effect than on conquest @Chimeraguard , based on how dragons and Tauri effected armies in our last war?

Sorry to pester you when you and @Sir LagsAlot planned so much and know more, but I'm OCD and want to be sure.
They don't fit into holds, so they don't offer their bonus for either of the war turns we'll be fighting.
 
If it's a war turn, might mammoths be more useful since their enhancement of armies has a different effect than on conquest @Chimeraguard ?

Sorry to pester you when you've planned so much and know more, but I'm OCD and want to be sure.
Unfortunately, we are doing it because of time drag more then it is our desire to do it right away. Otherwise we wouldn't even be doing the war turn at all, and instead would be building up our military power on doing the as mentioned war mammoth action instead. But God laughs at mans plans and all that.
 
If it's a war turn, might mammoths be more useful since their enhancement of armies has a different mechanical effect than on conquest @Chimeraguard , based on how dragons and Tauri effected armies in our last war?

Sorry to pester you when you and @Sir LagsAlot planned so much and know more, but I'm OCD and want to be sure.
They also won't be ready in time. Even the Permanent Throngs we're setting up now probably won't be ready in time unless we get a really high roll (though I'll still change the wording just in case.) The War Turn happens before all of our other actions save the Delve.
 
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Short of being more innovative there is no better king for taking back a lost hold


Is this per army or something? Because it's almost worthless otherwise.
Why do you think I was talking about taking back a lost hold? I was referring to the waystones talk, and I don't see how there was confusion since there is one post between them, and its about grudges and that's completely unrelated to both topics.
And also, I mention deep magic, something completely unrelated to holds.
 
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Why do you think I was talking about taking back a lost hold? I was referring to the waystones talk, and I don't see how there was confusion since there is one post between them, and its about grudges and that's completely unrelated to both topics.
Because the war is the big thing taking up attention, because you didn't quite anyone? And because if it appears to be a response to something with no quotes one assumes it is either a major topic ongoing or the previous post. No one thinks in that situation they're talking about the post before last.
 
There was 1 post talking about the war post update when I posted that, vs 2 talking about waystones, that doesn't make any sense by your own logic. and they were all the most recent posts too, while the war one was the oldest.
 
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There was 1 post talking about the war post update when I posted that, vs 2 talking about waystones, that doesn't make any sense by your own logic. and they were all the most recent posts too, while the war one was the oldest.
A. It is something we have been building since the last turn.
B. There was one talking about Waystones that actually mentioned them.
 
If you want to quibble about the exact number, then you should be very aware it's 2, because the second one is your post about the deep magic, and it's related to the other half of my post that you just ignored to make your attack post.
as for your part A, every one was making commentary about the new options, why would I be doing any different.
 
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If you want to quibble about the exact number, then you should be very aware it's 2, because the second one is your post about the deep magic, and it's the other half of my post that you just ignored to make your attack post.
as for your part A, every one was making commentary about the new options, why would I be doing any different.
You could have just quoted him so everyone would know your talking to Balmumg1
 
So, thoughts for the upcoming War:
Lonkas has made it clear that we're not winning a long, grinding war with the Greenskins on one side and the Undead on the other. Therefore, if we want to win this, we need an overwhelming decisive strike that clears out enough of the Karak to dig in and fortify and turn things into a more "normal" eternal siege that all Karaks go through. On the Greenskin side, this would likely mean finding the biggest and baddest of Greenskin Warbosses and killing them to break the tribes, creating enough chaos that we can secure a firm enough foothold and that by the time the Greenskins finish figuring out who's the new Boss, we'll be too entrenched for anything but a proper WAAAGH to drive out.

On the Undead side, it's a bit more complex. It's commonly said that Undead don't have logistics. In WHF at least, this isn't quite true. Undead don't have conventional logistics of food and water. What they do have is logistics built around there being enough necromantic energy to keep them animated. If there's not enough in the environment (and outside of places like Sylvania or Nehekhara there usually isn't), then the difference has to be made up by the Necromancers and/or vampires commanding them. Konrad von Carstein's army in the 2nd Vampire War in canon literally falls apart when his Necromancers desert him.

This might seem like less of a concern for Nagash, but I'd argue that it very much remains one. Nagash has a lot more necromantic oomph than any of the von Carsteins did, especially while he's hopped up on Waystone power, but he also has a much larger army to maintain, and that army's going through a lot of high-intensity fighting (and if there's not enough ambient magic, then every movement, every sword-swing, has to have the energy supplied by necromancy.) And any magic Nagash uses to keep 100,000 Skeleton Warriors from collapsing due to lack of animating forces is magic he's not using for anything more damaging.

So in terms of how we fight Nagash, I think our focus will likely be as follows:
1) Deny Karak Drazh's Waystone to Nagash, or reclaim it from him if he's already taken it. So long as Nagash doesn't hold the Waystone, he can't use "local" power to maintain his army. This means he has to shoulder the burden himself.
2) Hunt and kill Nagash's Necromancers and Vampires. Necromancers and Vampires are other walking fonts of magical power that can sustain and direct the Undead armies. Each one killed is another restriction on the amount of Undead that Nagash can keep animated within Karak Drazh, or a further reduction in Nagash's personal power as he has to devote his own energies to keeping them all moving and fighting. Necromancers and Vampires are also, it must be noted, much softer targets than Nagash himself.
3) Destroy other unique assets of Nagash's army. Things like cannons imported from the Chaos Dwarfs, or the 'Grumril-khâl' (what I assume to be Undead Dwarfs in Gromril or Blackshard Armor), or his other picked heavy infantry units. These are troops a cut above the average Skeleton, but they also represent material that Nagash cannot replace casually, but will have to make further concessions to the Chaos Dwarfs to replace. They're also the most likely assets Nagash can use beyond raw magical power to force a breach into a Karak, so their loss means Nagash is more likely to abandon a full-out attempt to seize Karak Drazh by storm in favor of a long campaign of wearing the enemy down.
 
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Honestly our new High King might be particularly and uniquely well suited to an assassination campaign and guerrilla war against significantly greater foes. Just look at his first few paragraphs.

Actually does he still have his mammoth mount/son @Lonkas ?
 
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