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BoredStudent1414 said:
Additionally, the Ordensstaat Burgund can be successfully invaded and be divided by a joint operation between the French State and Bormann's or Speer's Reich in the Toolbox Theory update. Goring's Reich will still experience nuclear war because Goring's Reich will be reworked in the later Victor and the Judge update.
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It is some very cool stuff

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French State and Germany invade Burgundy and eliminate the SS from TT stream: https://youtu.be/Xun831fBeOo

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Is it possible to fuck up the invasion of Burgundy leading to Himmler managing to launch his nukes, or is the invasion only an option if Burgundy is already collapsing?
 
Important message y'all I deleted the old post after a message from Kyiv and here is a message from him regarding his comments (I also apologise for my fuckup):

"Basically, on that comment I made earlier, I meant that in the sense that I am going to work to make that happen, not that it's coming out then as a guarantee. What I mean by that is I plan to resign if we don't get TT out before Christmas, and I don't want any pressure being put on the team, but I do want pressure being put on myself."
 
Teen Spirit said:
It is some very cool stuff

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French State and Germany invade Burgundy and eliminate the SS from TT stream: https://youtu.be/Xun831fBeOo

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  • I'm torn between being happy that something good finally happens to France, and sad that it apparently only happen when those fascist collaborationist assholes are in charge, although the event said that France would regain its 1962 while Germany kept the old Burgundian territories, yet here France gained even more territory than before WWII, is that a bug?
  • I noticed that the French State troops now have the regular tricolor flag, which was the one it used OTL (the one with the axe and the stars actually was Petain's personal banner) while the French State provinces still has the flag with the axe
  • Is the new font for the country names something that will come with TT, or is it a mod that the dev used in the stream?
 
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Fission Battery said:
Yes! Woo! I'm hyped for that. Nice to see Speer and Bormann can both deal with Himmler. Now all they do to do is actually get France into their sphere.
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Looking again at the stream in Youtube, there are three outcomes for France with the invasion of Burgundy:
  1. If Germany is led by Bormann, then he just annex all of Burgundy into Germany, map-painting style, with the even implying that they'll have to deal with a French resistance pumped up by members and equipment from Burgundy's collapse
  2. If Speer is the leader of Germany, he'll have the option to propose a deal with the French State: if they join the Unity Pakt, they'll get to participate in the invasion of Burgundy and will take back all their territories back, it's the "best" ending for the French State (they'll still have to deal with the resistance, but to a lesser degree than with a direct German annexation, with the implication that Germany dumped the reconstruction and pacification of the former Burgundian land to France which will have to economically and militarily tie itself even more to Germany to be able to do it)
  3. If Speer is the leader of Germany and the French State refuses to join the Unity Pakt, they only get back their territories from 1962, and Germany establish a puppet military government in the former Burgundy: Paktkommission Frankreich
Also the invasion of Burgundy can only happen if it collapses, which according to the stream has a 50% chance of happening.
 
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Seriously, what's with the new font? Is that a submod or part of TT? I'd imagine it'll look kind of weird to see Russian warlords and the USA written in that pseudo-Fraktur style.
 
Huh. I figured that Speer/Gang of Four Germany would be more generous, but I'm still a little bit surprised that they give them back that much of their old territory on top of letting them have Wallonia. Would have thought the French-German border would still be a little further west than that. (Not the 1962 borders, but more than what's shown.)

Still, it is nice to see that Burgundy can be decisively dealt with. I don't envy the French having to unfuck things, and I can only imagine how many people Himmler ended up killing since he obviously puts ideology over concerns like the economy, but seeing Burgundy wiped off the map is still quite nice.
 
I wonder if Speer giving France all of Burgundy's Francophone territory is partially a poisoned chalice, meant to hobble France with the cost of fixing the mess Himmler made (perhaps with Germany being willing to help them foot the bill... in exchange for further political and economic ties to the Pakt of course!)
 
General_Urist said:
I wonder if Speer giving France all of Burgundy's Francophone territory is partially a poisoned chalice, meant to hobble France with the cost of fixing the mess Himmler made (perhaps with Germany being willing to help them foot the bill... in exchange for further political and economic ties to the Pakt of course!)
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That would fit Speer perfectly. It looks on the surface like he's doing the right thing, and he can milk it for propaganda, but in reality he's double-screwing a rival government in such a way that he comes out looking like the hero to the world at large.

It's brilliant.

He's a monster and probably a functional psychopath, obviously, but that'd fit him well.
 
Also, as a minor aside, something I've been meaning to ask for awhile.

When Germany looked to be on top of the world and was still in the cheat code phase where they could apparently beat America to the atomic bomb and nuke Hawaii . . . Why did they never greenlight Operation Tannenbaum? I could swear it was something that would have inevitably happened if the Germans actually won everywhere else, and Switzerland could finally be literally anything other than "lol neutral".
 
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-South African War might be reworked to not be a Vietnam parallel
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I do hope, if this is the case, that the "Born in the USA" event is changed - in its current state, it refers to a veteran of the South African War returning to America, only to be "spat on" by anti-war protesters, obviously referencing reports of similar things happening to returning Vietnam veterans. The thing is, it's very dubious whether this actually happened in real life and many researchers believe it to be a myth. In TNO, given the much more justifiable nature of the South African War compared to the Vietnam war, it would be even less likely that these things would happen, especially given the lack of evidence that it ever occurred OTL. Just an event that never sat well with me.
 
General_Urist said:
I wonder if Speer giving France all of Burgundy's Francophone territory is partially a poisoned chalice, meant to hobble France with the cost of fixing the mess Himmler made (perhaps with Germany being willing to help them foot the bill... in exchange for further political and economic ties to the Pakt of course!)
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That's explicitly Speer's plan: the event that appears if France refuses to join the Unity Pakt (and thus to get back all of their land) had the French send to the German head of Foreign Affairs a letter saying that they see through the German attempt to give them a poisoned chalice meant to make France completely dependent to Germany economically and militarily, and said German minister muse that while he's not surprised that they saw through their plot, he is surprised that they still didn't take the offer.
Maybe the French State will be able to try to play the long game and secretly support Paktkommissariat Frankreich so it'll decide to join back the rest of France after Germany finished its reconstruction.


ForeverShogo said:
Also, as a minor aside, something I've been meaning to ask for awhile.

When Germany looked to be on top of the world and was still in the cheat code phase where they could apparently beat America to the atomic bomb and nuke Hawaii . . . Why did they never greenlight Operation Tannenbaum? I could swear it was something that would have inevitably happened if the Germans actually won everywhere else, and Switzerland could finally be literally anything other than "lol neutral".
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I don't know if this lore is still canon, but Panzer said that Germany (and Japan too) were at the brink of economic collapse by the end of WWII, the atomic bombing of Hawaii was a desperate gamble to push the USA to seek an armistice (and that had the US chose to still continue, it would had won by virtue of its enemies economically imploding), so my guess is that after winning WWII, Germany was too busy trying to stabilize its economy to bother starting a war against what's the geographical equivalent of a turtle inside its shell. The the WRRF came for round 2 in the 50's, which destroyed Germany's economy, and the invasion of Switzerland was put at the very bottom of the list of priorities.
 
Also, as one more bit, I kind of forgot . . . Why do Germany and Japan hate each other so much even though Germany did stuff like go out of its way to bail them out by nuking Hawaii of all places instead of some east coast target?

Their spheres of influence don't overlap, there was all that Honorary Aryan bullshit, etc. etc. Like, I don't expect them to be holding hands and frolicking through meadows or whatever, but I'm surprised there isn't more cooperation between them simply from a "fuck America" stance.
 
ForeverShogo said:
Their spheres of influence don't overlap, there was all that Honorary Aryan bullshit, etc. etc. Like, I don't expect them to be holding hands and frolicking through meadows or whatever, but I'm surprised there isn't more cooperation between them simply from a "fuck America" stance.
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Technically speaking Japan does wish to project its power in africa under the purview of anti imperialism so there spheres do overlap.
Also fuck the US isn't a unifying stance between the 2.
Germany is to isolationist to care and Japan has a lot of problems on top of saber rattling with the US.
 
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Can't find it right now, but I remember a teaser for the TNO Antarctica submod that featured a scientist having a flashback to the bombing of pearl harbor. In it the Germans lied to the Japanese about the nature of their "secret weapon" so when the a-bomb went off the Japanese prototype bomber carrying it got incinerated in the blast. It's just fanon, but it's an interesting idea for how a German-Japanese falling-out might've started shortly after the war ends.

Also, given that by 1945 Germany had conquered all of Europe and long peaced out the USSR, I find the idea that they would starve if the war went on rather doubtful.
 
Albert Speer orders another moon mission to prove to the world that the Nazi Moon Landing of 1962 was not a one off thing in TNO.

I wonder how President Glenn will react to this development.
 
BoredStudent1414 said:
Albert Speer orders another moon mission to prove to the world that the Nazi Moon Landing of 1962 was not a one off thing in TNO.

I wonder how President Glenn will react to this development.
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He can laugh at it while sending a manned mission to Mars.

The more we learn about it, and the more Speer's path looks like the more interesting of the four unifiers. (on a purely gameplaying experience of course)


General_Urist said:
Also, given that by 1945 Germany had conquered all of Europe and long peaced out the USSR, I find the idea that they would starve if the war went on rather doubtful.
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The USA were on the brink of economic collapse after WWII (the Marshall Plan was in part to rebuild Europe, in part to save the American economy) and they were far and safe from the frontline (except Hawaï, amd only at the beginning) and welcomed as liberators everywhere they go except in the Axis countries proper.
Germany had the war happening next to its borders, had to deal with constant resistance everywhere they go (due to being invaders) and fascist economic planning is shit at working long term, so I'm not surprised that by 1945 their war economy was at the brink of collapse.
 
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I'm digging all the new stuff shown so far, really going from strength to strength on the Speer and Bormann paths in terms of content. It looks great. I wonder if Goering is ever going to get a rework. He's basically the black sheep of successors. The AI can't even play him.
 
Fission Battery said:
I'm digging all the new stuff shown so far, really going from strength to strength on the Speer and Bormann paths in terms of content. It looks great. I wonder if Goering is ever going to get a rework. He's basically the black sheep of successors. The AI can't even play him.
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I've seen posts on Reddit from the devs that they will completely reword Goering's path on a future release, that's why he doesn't get any new content for the moment.
 
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