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AAR Turn 4, Ceslas as Wulfgar Cerdicing Part 1
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    • Darrenb209 said:
    It seems to be a different Beorthic or however it's spelled. Does special character watch pass on to their children now? Because it's actually his grandson that it's watching for some reason.

    We've also spread the name Blazingwulf to other dynasties thanks to the Bastard kid of Cynewulf the Seducer.

    The guy I had killed.
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    I just saw a Blazingwulf adventurer. Also, the first three years of my reign.



    After dealing with the Stewardship drop I got title revocation passed.


    Here's our current tech.


    We'll need two provinces to form England. I tried to get one by fabricating a claim on Suffolk but I accidentally sealed the Chancellor in with me when I hid from the plague.


    I'm new at this so I forgot to screencap the fall of Bedford. We looted some Yarrow while doing that. That'll be important in a bit. After that I chased down the Mercian armies after I crippled them I set about besieging a couple provinces.


    It wouldn't be a Paradox game without dumb revolts. Once my sieges were won I butchered the 2,300 rebel stack (something I again forgot to screenshot) and then moved on to deal with the remaining Mercians.






    With that done I proceeded to play the traditional Saxon game of Whack-A-Norse.


    While I did so I formed the Duchy of Essex, giving us an automatic right to subjugate the last remaining province in Essex and, in so doing, gain enough provinces to form England when the truce expires in 875.


    After a short while, while whacking a new wave of Vikings, I decided to join the Hermetic Society to take advantage of our character's learning. Then something occurred to me.


    We can found a new kingdom. But should we?
     
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    • Founding a new kingdom is worse than founding England in some ways. Founding England gives you causus belli on all of England via De Jure Wars CB. If you found a new kingdom, the duchies you already control completely become De Jure part of your new kingdom, but incomplete duchies and duchies to the north do not and remain part of England. So you don't get great CBs.

    If you can found England, it is a better idea.
     
    Ceslas said:
    I just saw a Blazingwulf adventurer. Also, the first three years of my reign.



    After dealing with the Stewardship drop I got title revocation passed.


    Here's our current tech.


    We'll need two provinces to form England. I tried to get one by fabricating a claim on Suffolk but I accidentally sealed the Chancellor in with me when I hid from the plague.


    I'm new at this so I forgot to screencap the fall of Bedford. We looted some Yarrow while doing that. That'll be important in a bit. After that I chased down the Mercian armies after I crippled them I set about besieging a couple provinces.


    It wouldn't be a Paradox game without dumb revolts. Once my sieges were won I butchered the 2,300 rebel stack (something I again forgot to screenshot) and then moved on to deal with the remaining Mercians.






    With that done I proceeded to play the traditional Saxon game of Whack-A-Norse.


    While I did so I formed the Duchy of Essex, giving us an automatic right to subjugate the last remaining province in Essex and, in so doing, gain enough provinces to form England when the truce expires in 875.


    After a short while, while whacking a new wave of Vikings, I decided to join the Hermetic Society to take advantage of our character's learning. Then something occurred to me.


    We can found a new kingdom. But should we?
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    I say we make our own kingdom. With blackjack and hookers!

    And name it Rohan. :)
     
    Ceslas said:
    I just saw a Blazingwulf adventurer. Also, the first three years of my reign.



    After dealing with the Stewardship drop I got title revocation passed.


    Here's our current tech.


    We'll need two provinces to form England. I tried to get one by fabricating a claim on Suffolk but I accidentally sealed the Chancellor in with me when I hid from the plague.


    I'm new at this so I forgot to screencap the fall of Bedford. We looted some Yarrow while doing that. That'll be important in a bit. After that I chased down the Mercian armies after I crippled them I set about besieging a couple provinces.


    It wouldn't be a Paradox game without dumb revolts. Once my sieges were won I butchered the 2,300 rebel stack (something I again forgot to screenshot) and then moved on to deal with the remaining Mercians.






    With that done I proceeded to play the traditional Saxon game of Whack-A-Norse.


    While I did so I formed the Duchy of Essex, giving us an automatic right to subjugate the last remaining province in Essex and, in so doing, gain enough provinces to form England when the truce expires in 875.


    After a short while, while whacking a new wave of Vikings, I decided to join the Hermetic Society to take advantage of our character's learning. Then something occurred to me.


    We can found a new kingdom. But should we?
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    The Kingdom of England is generally better than a New Custom Kingdom since England has de jure vassals and New Kingdom does not, so creating England will give the CB to subjugate duchies/counties that are de jure part of England.

    Existing titles can also be renamed IIRC, so you could create England and rename it whatever you wanted...
     
    I think you actually downgraded title revocation there. I think we had the religious one before?
     
    Darrenb209 said:
    I think you actually downgraded title revocation there. I think we had the religious one before?
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    We did. But I'm pretty sure that only covers free revocation of different religion titles. And I doubt that'll be an issue. However, it's very possible that I'm wrong and I just screwed us out of a good situation. I blame Conclave and my incompetence in that case.

    Death and Faxes said:
    The Kingdom of England is generally better than a New Custom Kingdom since England has de jure vassals and New Kingdom does not, so creating England will give the CB to subjugate duchies/counties that are de jure part of England.

    Existing titles can also be renamed IIRC, so you could create England and rename it whatever you wanted...
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    True, And that's what I would do under normal circumstances , especially as forming England is but a matter of time. However I wanted to see if we wanted to make things harder for us.
     
    Ceslas said:
    We did. But I'm pretty sure that only covers free revocation of different religion titles. And I doubt that'll be an issue. However, it's very possible that I'm wrong and I just screwed us out of a good situation. I blame Conclave and my incompetence in that case.
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    Usually the further right you go the more rights you get or give.

    I'm fairly sure that you accidentally made it harder.

    ...It's things like that when we make mistakes that make things more interesting. A shame that the mistake won't have more than minor consequences though.

    Edit: looking it up, it appears the religious one includes the normal.
     
    Ceslas said:
    We did. But I'm pretty sure that only covers free revocation of different religion titles. And I doubt that'll be an issue. However, it's very possible that I'm wrong and I just screwed us out of a good situation. I blame Conclave and my incompetence in that case.


    True, And that's what I would do under normal circumstances , especially as forming England is but a matter of time. However I wanted to see if we wanted to make things harder for us.
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    Religious title revocation also includes normal revocation. It just adds you the revocation rights to revoke land from infidels free of charge. Not the worst screw up by any means. So don't worry. Worst thing is waiting 10 more years to change a law.
     
    It's not like there are any infidels in England anyway at this time except the occasional Jewish courtier.
     
    Darrenb209 said:
    Usually the further right you go the more rights you get or give.

    I'm fairly sure that you accidentally made it harder.

    ...It's things like that when we make mistakes that make things more interesting. A shame that the mistake won't have more than minor consequences though.

    Edit: looking it up, it appears the religious one includes the normal.
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    Well, I just reversed that blunder. It's now 874 and Northhampton is ours . I could form the kingdom any day now but I want to know what laws should be implemented first.
     
    Ceslas said:
    Well, I just reversed that blunder. It's now 874 and Northhampton is ours . I could form the kingdom any day now but I want to know what laws should be implemented first.
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    I think the only ones that get harder to implement afterwards are succession laws, and I think our Elective suits a succession game better.

    Make sure we have absolute power, check on any laws on the revocation law page for restrictions once you form the kingdom and I think that's pretty much it.
     
    Ceslas said:
    Well, I just reversed that blunder. It's now 874 and Northhampton is ours . I could form the kingdom any day now but I want to know what laws should be implemented first.
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    I may be wrong but I was under the impression that creating a new title above your current title (Kingdom if you're a Duke) only inherits some of your laws, not all of them. Succession for sure transfers, unless it's Elective, then it might switch back to Primo (not sure on that)? @Death and Faxes can you confirm. Anyways, we're good on succession law at the very least, so crown yourself king when it's convenient for you.
     
    Darrenb209 said:
    I think the only ones that get harder to implement afterwards are succession laws, and I think our Elective suits a succession game better.

    Make sure we have absolute power, check on any laws on the revocation law page for restrictions once you form the kingdom and I think that's pretty much it.
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    What should I look for with Absolute Power?
     
    Ceslas said:
    What should I look for with Absolute Power?
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    When you go up to a Kingdom title from a duchy, having absolute power before you do it means that you will still have absolute power afterwards. It's much easier to gain absolute power as a duchy so you want to make sure you have it. Having it allows you to pass laws without your council voting on them.
     
    Essentially having absolute power makes you king, otherwise you are merely the most influential noble.
     
    AAR Turn 4, Ceslas as Wulfgar Cerdicing Part 2
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    • It started out simply with a new lab.


    Then I got a son: Blerbfred II.


    We started searching for an artifact though nothing as come of it at this time.


    Then I noticed we no longer had a truce with Mercia. The old ruler must have died.


    First, I attacked the rebels and then I attacked Mercia proper.


    Then this happened as my daughter was being born.


    After my nerd rage subsided I attacked the Welsh and took their land. (I later cleared out a heretic bishop on that land as well.)


    We were close to England but I wanted to make sure all was in readiness.


    I got promoted in the Hermetic Society. Maybe I will use those abilities one day.


    Then I decided to clear up the succession.


    I will not tolerate heirs dying to kill me. Kinslayer was so worth imprisoning and executing him. (I later repented.)


    I then attacked the next line (The Count of Surrey) in a brief war and the most notable thing was me being starved out of seclusion by a plague goign on at this time. Stupid greedy courtiers.


    Blerbfred will be a dutiful Blerbferd.


    The law is fixed.


    Should I kill the next guy inn line or wait for my son to grow up and see if the succession changes naturally?
     
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    • Blazinghand said:
    I may be wrong but I was under the impression that creating a new title above your current title (Kingdom if you're a Duke) only inherits some of your laws, not all of them. Succession for sure transfers, unless it's Elective, then it might switch back to Primo (not sure on that)? @Death and Faxes can you confirm. Anyways, we're good on succession law at the very least, so crown yourself king when it's convenient for you.
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    I believe it used to be the case that creating a kingdom from a duchy preserved your succession laws, except in the case that it was elective, in which case it was replaced by gavelkind (...yay). It also used to be the case that newly created kingdom titles defaulted to low crown authority in the bad old days of pre-Conclave.

    I haven't played as much since Conclave came out, though, so I'm unfortunately not sure how created kingdoms work now re: default laws.
     
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    It's generally fine for someone other than your son to inherit if he is in your dynasty.

    If you create a Kingdom, only Dukes and your family can inherit, so if all Dukes are of your family our succession is safe.

    Strat here is probably to create a Kingdom then examine succession laws. Many Counts who have a vote now will lose their right to vote. In fact, after you createa Kingdom, you will be King and DUke and there will be no counts, which means Elective lets you just pick whoever you want, personally, to be your heir.
     
    So like, to be clear:

    1. Becoming King means the only people who can vote in elective monarchy are you and dukes
    2. There are no dukes who aren't you
    3. You get to pick whoever you want to be your heir in such a system since you are the only vote
    4. It's possible that forming a Kingdom reverts us to Gavelkind. In such a circumstance, you can institute Elective and we're good to go
     
    Ceslas said:

    It started out simply with a new lab.


    Then I got a son: Blerbfred II.


    We started searching for an artifact though nothing as come of it at this time.


    Then I noticed we no longer had a truce with Mercia. The old ruler must have died.


    First, I attacked the rebels and then I attacked Mercia proper.


    Then this happened as my daughter was being born.


    After my nerd rage subsided I attacked the Welsh and took their land. (I later cleared out a heretic bishop on that land as well.)


    We were close to England but I wanted to make sure all was in readiness.


    I got promoted in the Hermetic Society. Maybe I will use those abilities one day.


    Then I decided to clear up the succession.


    I will not tolerate heirs dying to kill me. Kinslayer was so worth imprisoning and executing him. (I later repented.)


    I then attacked the next line (The Count of Surrey) in a brief war and the most notable thing was me being starved out of seclusion by a plague goign on at this time. Stupid greedy courtiers.


    Blerbfred will be a dutiful Blerbferd.


    The law is fixed.


    Should I kill the next guy inn line or wait for my son to grow up and see if the succession changes naturally?
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    Since it's me that's playing next. Take your pick. :p Feel free to decide. (Though I personally prefer the younger option.)
     
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