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The Argent-Eyed Heiress (Naruto/Exalted)

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Kurenai investigating orphanages. Orphanages are where Danzo likes to get his new recruits from.

This could get Fun.

Also it's probably just Kishimoto not thinking about it at first anyway, but there is a pretty distinct lack of good ninja from civilian born shinobi. We have a handful of really good civilian born ninja across a few generations.

That many of them who end up standing out early on end up in Danzo's clutches is... not surprising perhaps.
 
ShadowAngelBeta said:
Also it's probably just Kishimoto not thinking about it at first anyway, but there is a pretty distinct lack of good ninja from civilian born shinobi. We have a handful of really good civilian born ninja across a few generations.
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Not really.
More that Konoha is basically a military base.
Everyone is related to a shinobi or two in their ancestry.

As for non-clan shinobi, they rival clan ninja that we get to see in numbers and fame in every generation other than Naruto's.
Orochimaru. Jiraiya. Minato Namikaze.
Just for starters
 
uju32 said:
Not really.
More that Konoha is basically a military base.
Everyone is related to a shinobi or two in their ancestry.

As for non-clan shinobi, they rival clan ninja that we get to see in numbers and fame in every generation other than Naruto's.
Orochimaru. Jiraiya. Minato Namikaze.
Just for starters
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As to the first, the other Ninja "Villages" are military bases. Konoha is very much an actual village that happens to (by design of course) have a lot of military personal living in it.

As to the second, did you even read my post? Cause if that's your response it very much sounds like you didn't.
 
Looking at the characters we do know from canon i'd say it's only the last generation where basically all the clans heirs "happened" to be in the same class that screws our perception.
If you look beyond the main cast there's a LOT of characters who we basically have no information about their family beyond the fact that they are not from the usual main clans. Yugao, ibiki, ebisu, genma, hayate, kabuto, anko, just to name a few... Pretty sure Might Dai/Guy also count as non-clan ninjas.
Heck, of the advisers of the Hokage, iirc only Danzo is from a clan.

As far as i know the exhaustive list of ninja clans in Konoha is :
Aburame, Akimichi, Hatake, Hyuga, Inuzaka, Kurama, Nara, Sarutobi, Senju, Shimura, Uchiha, Uzumaki & Yamanaka.
I believe the "Lee" Clan is basically created by bushy-brows himself, so it hardly counts.

As i see it non-clan ninjas make the vast majority of the numbers, where as clan ninjas are of higher quality*. So they are the ones that usually end up in charge.
Just take a look at the family tree of the clan ninja we know... i don't remember a single case of three siblings. There's a few clan ninjas that have a pair of children but most are single childs...


* mostly due to better earlier training. ie: Sasuke basically entered the academy with a chunin level fire jutsu...
A civilian ninja basically has no training beyond the academy (and whatever his jounin sensei gives him, which... considering the four we know usually isn't much).
A non-clan ninja born out of ninja parent(s) will have some extra training from his parent(s) assuming s/he is/are alive and preferably not crippled (which is not a given), but that only offers decent training in whatever specialty the parent(s) has.
A clan ninja will have not only surrogate parents in case his are dead, but also multi-generational training available in most of the ninja specialties and ,on top of that, usually exclusive clan secret jutsu/bloodline.

As i see it, on average, a civilian is expected to end his career as a genin, maybe chunin if he's lucky and talented.
A non-clan ninja is expected to stumble up until chunin/special Jounin.
And a clan Ninja is fully expected to end up as a Jounin ninja if he doesn't get killed too soon.
Respectively fodder, specialists and leaders.
 
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I never understood where this idea that genin was a standard career path came from. Almost all of the adult (by our standards) ninjas are chunin or higher, and people being genin for a long time is specifically called out as unusual.
 
w34v3r said:
I never understood where this idea that genin was a standard career path came from. Almost all of the adult (by our standards) ninjas are chunin or higher, and people being genin for a long time is specifically called out as unusual.
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I think it's just fanon derived from the number of successful applicants in the chuunin exam we actually see.
 
Ayashi said:
Just take a look at the family tree of the clan ninja we know... i don't remember a single case of three siblings. There's a few clan ninjas that have a pair of children but most are single childs…
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I don't think that's conclusive at all We don't know anything about over half of the clans on your list and I don't even think that Shimura is a clan. Given we know that the Uchiha, Hyuga, Inuzaka, and Sarutobi, each had two kids that were mentioned in the show and their were four clans that were explicitly mentioned to be dying out aka the Senju, Hatake, Uzumaki and Kurama that either had one or none that's a pretty even split right there. The other four clans aka the Nara, Akimichi, Yamanaka, and
Aburame​
have no information about them at all one way or the other and could go either way. More then that the only real civilian ninja's that were mentioned in any Detail, Orochimaru, Jiraya, Iruka, and Sakura were also all only children with no siblings.


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kitsune9 said:
Given we know that the Uchiha, Hyuga, Inuzaka, and Sarutobi, each had two kids that were mentioned in the show and their were four clans that were explicitly mentioned to be dying out aka the Senju, Hatake, Uzumaki and Kurama that either had one or none that's a pretty even split right there.
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I disagree, we actually know relatively many people beyond the main cast who you seem to be limiting yourself to. Check the wiki and you'll see.
The Uchiha clan as twenty-ish named characters and is indeed the most numerous Clan. A lot of whom we actually know what their family situation was. On top of my head we only have three pair of siblings, four if you want to really stretch things and count Indra/Asura pair.
The others clans have respectable number of name characters: the hyuga, Inuzuka, uzumaki, Akimichi and Nara have around a dozen each, Yamanaka, Senju, Sarutobi and Aburame half as much. And are, in general, a similar situation: top of my head, we have one pair of siblings in Inuzaka, Senju, Aburame, and Sarutobi and two in hyuga. And that's it.

I think that's enough people to safely deduce trends from.

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Well, at least trends beyond "Kishimoto is an idiot that obviously was unconcerned in creating a world that was realistic, or at least viable".
 
you guys are putting more thought into this than kishimoto ever did
 
FixerUpper said:
Haha, I didn't even know about that.

No, not a toad. I myself could only think of two that fit the aesthetic, there aren't that many animals with organs that can be mistaken for pretty, rocks, glowy or otherwise.

It's an anglerfish.
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huh.
I have no idea what animal Fixer tried to imply here, the only examples i can think of are a pearl and, maybe some of the reptiles heavier scales, like maybe a turtle.
Neither of those are really "organs" though...
 
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