The Argent-Eyed Heiress (Naruto/Exalted)

I just wish that Luna was a bit more.. how you say? Involved?
It's really going to mess up Hinata when it turns out she's not a fluke and some poor civilian is getting a Solar Shard during the Sound Invasion.
Dunno where you're getting this from.
No indication there are other Exalts in this story atm, or that Hinata would in any way feel responsible for some other person Exalting.
 
The Caged Bird seal is probably the core of the problem, since it allows an absolute tyranny by the Main House. The eye destruction part is important though. I think it would be a good idea to replace the seal with one that lacks the coercive elements. It's currently beyond our capabilities, but we do happen to know a seal master who has all but admitted to knowing how the Caged Bird seal works.
 
The Caged Bird seal is probably the core of the problem, since it allows an absolute tyranny by the Main House. The eye destruction part is important though. I think it would be a good idea to replace the seal with one that lacks the coercive elements. It's currently beyond our capabilities, but we do happen to know a seal master who has all but admitted to knowing how the Caged Bird seal works.
You are, of course, assuming there isn't something else preventing this from ever having been done about it by now.
 
The Uchiha Clan weakness is that all of them are potential yanderes of one sort or another. Makes for some nice poetic tragedies and mother hen type comedy, among other things. The 'hn' is short for 'hnnng'.

Haruno genetics fix some of the usual issues, example being Salad-tan woke up her magic eyes via 'omg ima meet my dad im so happy yay!' and not due to intense [negative] emotional turmoil. When in doubt, just add pink to your black and red color scheme!
 
I'd personally park it under "Perfect memory" and "Bloodline activates most powerfully under severe emotional trauma".
Which is to say they would remember the worst day of their lives in high definition. Forever.
Then you add the jutsu copying and how they are strongly encouraged for strategic and tactical reasons to keep their eyes on during stressful situations and to turn it off while resting.

Net result, a lot of combat memories, one hell of a load of PTSD.
Also, overwhelming pride in their eye/bloodline probably means they only record combat situations. I mean, one could imagine a balancing effect if the Uchihas also used the Sharigan in joyful and/or soothing situations. But with only crystal clear combat images in their head it's kinda obvious the whole lot of them goes bonkers eventually.
If anything, the occasional mentally stable Uchiha outliner is the equivalent of psychopaths in the rest of the population.
 
Also, overwhelming pride in their eye/bloodline probably means they only record combat situations. I mean, one could imagine a balancing effect if the Uchihas also used the Sharigan in joyful and/or soothing situations. But with only crystal clear combat images in their head it's kinda obvious the whole lot of them goes bonkers eventually.
If anything, the occasional mentally stable Uchiha outliner is the equivalent of psychopaths in the rest of the population.
Uchiha clan had it's own civilians bro. And the segregation from the rest of the population did no favors rip.

TFW era of Warring States and shit.

Sasuke was such a cute kid, he had a dinosaur stuffed animal and was an adorable booger. Do your maternal/parental instincts ever just make you want to hug sad anime children? I get that every day hhhhahahahhaha I miss babysitting my nephews/nieces
 
Though I suspect Hinata is entirely wrong to assume that Jiraiya the spymaster and former teammate to Tsunade the medicnin is unaware of the Hyuuga weakness with elemental chakra.

Don't think that Tsunade would just blab important clan information since that would be an epic violation of trust. Also get the feeling that the Hyuuga are very careful about who treats them and that it is extremely hard for other people to notice.
 
I just wish that Luna was a bit more.. how you say? Involved?

It's really going to mess up Hinata when it turns out she's not a fluke and some poor civilian is getting a Solar Shard during the Sound Invasion.

Tenten is the only proto-solar in konoha.



They already are, think of chakra users as being mini-lunars to start with. All of their attributes are enhanced.
I kind of wish this and the Tenten Solar quest were set in the same universe. I think it could have been interesting.
 
Someone could make an omake in both threads. One deals with Hinata's perspective, and the other deals with Tenten.
Are there any big contradictions? What would you have to retcon? Off the top of my head nothing much on this side of things as Tenten hasn't really show up hear as far as I remember, but Hinata has in Tenten's.
Hears a link for thous interested in the story were talking about.
The Princess of Blades
 
Are there any big contradictions? What would you have to retcon? Off the top of my head nothing much on this side of things as Tenten hasn't really show up hear as far as I remember, but Hinata has in Tenten's.
Hears a link for thous interested in the story were talking about.
The Princess of Blades
I think the only thing is that just, y`know, Hinata not exalting. It would be pretty easy to graft them together.
Also, the 'chakra' overproduction problem seems... odd. One of the many specialization of Luna's chosen (becuase exalts are bs that way) is adaptability, and it doesn't make sense to me that lunar essence wouldn't well, just adapt to fit the circumstances. Even if it isn't a defualt, I imagine that a custom knack or charm could probably deal with it, with some added benefits besides.
 
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You are, of course, assuming there isn't something else preventing this from ever having been done about it by now.

My thinking is that the seal dates from the pre-konoha era, the warring clans times. Basically the branch house were the warriors, scouts, and diplomats/merchants/etc. that the Hyuuga would send out beyond their immediate holdings. As such the Main branch were the primary trainers, jutsu creators, and household managers.

The seal would originally have been a suicide/eye destruction seal to be used to prevent people from capturing Hyuuga secrets. Branch members would have likely been trained to use it on themselves like a cyanide tablet, or in extremis each other in order to prevent someone getting interrogated when they couldn't pull off a rescue.

The fact that the main branch didn't need the seal would have been a point of pride for the branch house.

As time went on however, the ability to cause pain without death was forced into everyone's awareness putting strain on the relationship between the branches, leading to the divides we see in the 'modern' era such as the high end jutsu being restricted to the Main branch most of the time, this is likely a corruption of the old role as jutsu creators and trainers that got altered as the relationship grew more strained.

This was then exacerbated once the hyuuga joined Konoha. Firstly it gave Hyuuga a chance to see other clans operating without such a seal. Secondly the main branch began to become field ninjas. This would have been especially infuriating because without access to the top of the line jutsu the main branches got taught, branch house hyuuga would always be considered inferior hyuuga even if they mastered other techniques to compensate, if they actually have issues with elemental techniques then this means they have fewer methods for doing even that.

This would have served to create a sense of superiority and entitlement among the Main branch.

Which leads to the shithole that clan has become in Hinata's time.

Or at least that's my working theory.
 
This was really good! Don't have too much to say but initial feeling was that even relative to other updates/chapters the interactions had so much depth!
 
My thinking is that the seal dates from the pre-konoha era, the warring clans times. Basically the branch house were the warriors, scouts, and diplomats/merchants/etc. that the Hyuuga would send out beyond their immediate holdings. As such the Main branch were the primary trainers, jutsu creators, and household managers.

The seal would originally have been a suicide/eye destruction seal to be used to prevent people from capturing Hyuuga secrets. Branch members would have likely been trained to use it on themselves like a cyanide tablet, or in extremis each other in order to prevent someone getting interrogated when they couldn't pull off a rescue.

The fact that the main branch didn't need the seal would have been a point of pride for the branch house.

As time went on however, the ability to cause pain without death was forced into everyone's awareness putting strain on the relationship between the branches, leading to the divides we see in the 'modern' era such as the high end jutsu being restricted to the Main branch most of the time, this is likely a corruption of the old role as jutsu creators and trainers that got altered as the relationship grew more strained.

This was then exacerbated once the hyuuga joined Konoha. Firstly it gave Hyuuga a chance to see other clans operating without such a seal. Secondly the main branch began to become field ninjas. This would have been especially infuriating because without access to the top of the line jutsu the main branches got taught, branch house hyuuga would always be considered inferior hyuuga even if they mastered other techniques to compensate, if they actually have issues with elemental techniques then this means they have fewer methods for doing even that.

This would have served to create a sense of superiority and entitlement among the Main branch.

Which leads to the shithole that clan has become in Hinata's time.

Or at least that's my working theory.
You. I like you.

If we can find any supporting evidence in the clan history, this can pretty much be our running hypothesis/theory on the matter.
 
Don't think that Tsunade would just blab important clan information since that would be an epic violation of trust. Also get the feeling that the Hyuuga are very careful about who treats them and that it is extremely hard for other people to notice.
Jiraiya is a SPY. His calling is literally uncovering secrets people don't want to share.
Why would he ask Tsunade when he can just snoop through her files? Or those of Orochimaru?
At least, this explains why Orochimaru had no interest in the Hyuuga; for someone so ninjutsu-obsessed, a deficiency in using ninjutsu would simply make him ignore them.

Unlike the Uchiha.

And the Hyuuga don't have a choice about who treats them; good chakra-using medics are not exactly growing on trees everywhere.
And they have to receive emergency medical care in the field by medic-nin.
Look at both times in canon where Hinata and Neji got KTFO during the Chuunin Exams; the same medics that treat everyone else treats them.

Furthermore, they have been partnered by other clans for over sixty years.
You have to think they're blind or stupid not to put two and two together, and keep quiet.
As such the Main branch were the primary trainers, jutsu creators, and household managers.
Makes no sense.
Warrior culture; the Main House would be on the front lines with everyone else.
And given how talent at such things has little to do with birth, they wouldn't limit themselves that way.

I do suspect that you're right about the seal having a suicide function though; that function probably still exists now, to allow individuals to suicide themselves but not anyone else. Only difference is that the Main House/Clan head has an override that allows him to activate it for anyone.
 
Jiraiya is a SPY. His calling is literally uncovering secrets people don't want to share.
Why would he ask Tsunade when he can just snoop through her files? Or those of Orochimaru?
At least, this explains why Orochimaru had no interest in the Hyuuga; for someone so ninjutsu-obsessed, a deficiency in using ninjutsu would simply make him ignore them.

Because he doesn't really have any reason to actually spy on his own countrymen or risk pissing them off when he has other things to do?

And the Hyuuga don't have a choice about who treats them; good chakra-using medics are not exactly growing on trees everywhere.
And they have to receive emergency medical care in the field by medic-nin.
Look at both times in canon where Hinata and Neji got KTFO during the Chuunin Exams; the same medics that treat everyone else treats them.

Furthermore, they have been partnered by other clans for over sixty years.
You have to think they're blind or stupid not to put two and two together, and keep quiet.

Like I said, chakra networks are likely something that the vast majority of people can't see even doctors considering doctors focus on the physical injuries.
 
Because he doesn't really have any reason to actually spy on his own countrymen or risk pissing them off when he has other things to do?
The guy who literally spies on women in the bath thinks people have any expectation of privacy?
Pull the other one.
Like I said, chakra networks are likely something that the vast majority of people can't see even doctors considering doctors focus on the physical injuries.
One of the first things that medical techniques do is analyse the body's state.
We see Tsunade deliver a report on chakra network injury to Naruto after he first used the Rasenshuriken.
So no, you don't need to see them to diagnoze issues with them.
 
Warrior culture; the Main House would be on the front lines with everyone else.
And given how talent at such things has little to do with birth, they wouldn't limit themselves that way.

I do suspect that you're right about the seal having a suicide function though; that function probably still exists now, to allow individuals to suicide themselves but not anyone else. Only difference is that the Main House/Clan head has an override that allows him to activate it for anyone.

1.) Tribal-Mercenary culture, not a warrior culture, they glorify winning and succeeding on missions, not honorable combat.

2.) The Hyuuga, all of the clans really, had their own cultures and traditions due to the fact that the clans existed and operated independently for centuries, or possibly millennia in some cases, before Konoha came along less than eighty or so years ago. So Konoha culture and Hyuuga culture could still be very different things, despite the inevitable cross-contamination.

3.) Talent for many things has little to do with birth and most of the clans still hand down headship through blood, hell the whole concept of branch and main house falls apart if you expect people not to make judgements based on bloodline and/or birth order. The fact that they have this separation means they already reject your position on this. You're right, but they don't believe that.

4.) A warrior culture requires trainers, innovators, managers, and such who can stay home and keep things running so the army can fight. Even if main branch do go into combat they could do so under heavy guard and only for important shit or 'safe' assignments so that there's no easy way to grab an unmarked Hyuuga.
 
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And?
Clearly he values their expectation of privacy lower than his own amusement/pleasure, why would he value their expectation of privacy more than gathering information for non-purient purposes?
 
1.) Tribal-Mercenary culture, not a warrior culture, they glorify winning and succeeding on missions, not honorable combat.

2.) The Hyuuga, all of the clans really, had their own cultures and traditions due to the fact that the clans existed and operated independently for centuries, or possibly millennia in some cases, before Konoha came along less than eighty or so years ago. What makes you assert that Hyuuga were a warrior culture at any point?

3.) Talent for many things has little to do with birth and most of the clans still hand down headship through blood, hell the whole concept of branch and main house falls apart if you expect people not to make judgements based on bloodline and/or birth order. The fact that they have this separation means they already reject your position on this. You're right, but they don't believe that.

4.) A warrior culture requires trainers, innovators, managers, and such who can stay home and keep things running so the army can fight. Even if main branch do go into combat they could do so under heavy guard and only for important shit or 'safe' assignments so that there's no easy way to grab an unmarked Hyuuga.
1)Warrior culture is not the same thing as honorable combat.

The Vikings were often raiders and brigands, they did not stand around to fight honorable battles, but were just as likely to climb in your city at night and gut you while you're sleeping. The Japanese samurai during the Sengoku Jidai era literally breathed treason and betrayal, and did their very best to avoid anything remotely resembling "honorable combat". The Apache were adept at ambush and counter-ambush, and certainly did not announce themselves.

Nothing says warrior cultures do not value results over form. Hyuga are ninja after all.

2) Because in canon, strength and skill were the primary requirements for the Hyuuga, and why Hinata had trouble in her younger days. We see this reiterated when Hiashi was watching Neji fight in the chuunin exams.
Similarly, in this quest, the literal test of adulthood, to speak and be heard in clan councils, is a series of fights, not an endurance race, or the ability to learn a book, or to draw a seal.

3) Because heredity is stable.
And we have yet to see any clan head that has managed to hold his post without being the best his clan has to offer.
It's especially notable that Neji is regarded to be a prodigy for being the first time a branch house member surpassed a main house peer.

4) Yes. Those people are called dependants.
Valuable and as important as they are, they do not control the House, because you need to have the respect of the people at the sharp end of the stick.
There is a reason why literally every clan head we've ever seen has been the deadliest, nastiest specimen that clan has been able to produce in his prime.
 
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And?
Clearly he values their expectation of privacy lower than his own amusement/pleasure, why would he value their expectation of privacy more than gathering information for non-purient purposes?

Because spying on a powerful clan in his own village for no reason makes no sense. Being a spy doesn't mean spying on everything and everyone nor does he seem to care to. He is one man and likely has way better things to do with his time like doing mission on actual rival nations.
 
Because spying on a powerful clan in his own village for no reason makes no sense. Being a spy doesn't mean spying on everything and everyone nor does he seem to care to. He is one man and likely has way better things to do with his time like doing mission on actual rival nations.
Jiraiya's literal first technique was a spying technique, mentioned during his genin test.
If offending powerful clans never stopped him from spying on them in the baths, inquiring into their secrets is not going to faze him. He's S-class; the fuck do you want to do about it? Even the Elders of the village, when they found him spying on baths, didn't do shit.

As for why he would do it?
You DO remember that Orochimaru did his bullshit in private in this village?
 
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