The Argent-Eyed Heiress (Naruto/Exalted)

[X] As hard as she can
-[x] Wisely, not foolishly. When the body is exhausted, train the mind. When the mind is exhausted, train the will. When the will is exhausted, rest. There is no gain in self-destruction.
So, Hiashi does love his daughter.
That... was never really in doubt. Loving someone doesn't make what you put them through any better though. And he's not good at showing he loves her, which makes a large difference as well.
 
[X] As hard as she can
-[x] Wisely, not foolishly. When the body is exhausted, train the mind. When the mind is exhausted, train the will. When the will is exhausted, rest. There is no gain in self-destruction.
 
[X] As hard as she can
-[x] Wisely, not foolishly. When the body is exhausted, train the mind. When the mind is exhausted, train the will. When the will is exhausted, rest. There is no gain in self-destruction.
I'm not really seeing a substantive difference between this and 'With Effort'

I mean, when your arms are tired, train your legs. That seems like the most basic and intuitive everybody learns about training. I don't see the need for write-in to express that explicitly.
 
I'm not really seeing a substantive difference between this and 'With Effort'

I mean, when your arms are tired, train your legs. That seems like the most basic and intuitive everybody learns about training. I don't see the need for write-in to express that explicitly.
This is anime, where people run themselves into the ground. It sounds like a sound addition.
 
This is anime, where people run themselves into the ground. It sounds like a sound addition.
Yeah, running yourself into the ground shonen-protagonist style is the "as hard as you can option" and training hard, but somewhat realistically is the "with effort" option.

All the write seems to be doing is taking the "as hard as you can" option and transforming it into the "with effort" option.
 
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I'm not really seeing a substantive difference between this and 'With Effort'

I mean, when your arms are tired, train your legs. That seems like the most basic and intuitive everybody learns about training. I don't see the need for write-in to express that explicitly.

As Chocolote said, Shonen. 'The most basic and intuitive' usually doesn't apply. Even if it did, over-communication is better than under-communication; what a QM intends, and what a given quester interprets an option as, can very easily not be the same thing. I grew up amongst people who communicated primarily in their second or third language, and that teaches you to look for intended meaning.
 
I think we could use some clarification on 'as hard as we can'. Does that mean pushing ourselves to minor chakra exhaustion again? If so that means we have to rest a full day for each day of training.
 
[X] As hard as she can
-[x] Wisely, not foolishly. When the body is exhausted, train the mind. When the mind is exhausted, train the will. When the will is exhausted, rest. There is no gain in self-destruction.
 
[X] As hard as she can
-[x] Wisely, not foolishly. When the body is exhausted, train the mind. When the mind is exhausted, train the will. When the will is exhausted, rest. There is no gain in self-destruction.
 
So, more analysis:
1) Hiashi knows, or thinks he knows, who Naruto's father is, and actually approves of Hinata's crush on him. He does seem to doubt his mother's identity, which is strange. I don't know how to explain his hesitation before calling Naruto an Uzumaki.

2) Hyuuga compound has no electricity. This is... Astonishingly stupid. Because if you don't want to depend on others, put a f*cking generator on the property! Sasuke has TV. Naruto has a refrigerator. Hyuugas definitely don't have the former (unless they peek on others watching TV using byakugan), and probably have to dedicate a ninja to keeping objects cooled, if they can do it at all (ice release being a bloodline). This has to affect Hinata's life.

Do Hyuuga even have running water?

3) I was wrong. Hiashi still doesn't think Gaara is a jinchuuriki. I think he divined something along the lines of "spirit of his mother sealed inside him" and became far less alarmed.

4) Jyuuken is confirmed by its master to be the counter to Gaara's defenses. We need to dedicate time to training it.

5) Our clones can share our anima. How the anima effect stacks is questioanable, but bears investigating - if it does stack, that becomes an important weapon.

6) Mote restoration rate - we used more motes in a single clone than were regenerated after a good night's sleep. We need to know if we actually respire motes or are dependent on prayer / cult / some other mechanisms of mote restoration

7) Battered wife syndrome is strong in Hinata, even if she's technically right. "Everything he'd done he'd done for her own good" indeed.

8) Um... Wasn't Naruto a toad summoner? Or are both Naruto and Hinata mistaken there?

9) Did Hiashi speak with Jiraya? I think he did. Wonder what they talked about and how.


[X] As hard as she can
-[x] Wisely, not foolishly. When the body is exhausted, she would train the mind. When the mind is exhausted, Hinata would cultivate the will. When the will is exhausted, she would rest. There is no gain in self-destruction, and there are advantages to being the heir of the Hyuuga, after all - there are no better masseurs in the village, and nothing better than the truly gentle caress of a Hyuuga after a hard day's work. Normally, Hinata wouldn't bother them, but now the occasion merited using all advantages. And maybe she would see something in how they used their art on her, something of potential use in the exam and later.

Let's stunt Hyuuga gently fist massage variant. So Hinata could get supportive healthcare.
 
Apologies for double post
Did Hiashi speak with Jiraya? I think he did.
Evidence for this? I don't really see it.
Naruto is very much a Schizo Tech setting - its best to just relax on this and let it be
I don't know how to explain his hesitation before calling Naruto an Uzumaki.
since he apparently does know naruto's true identity, he might have been deciding whether or not to call him a Namikaze
Jyuuken is confirmed by its master to be the counter to Gaara's defenses.
i mean, he also believes that the jyuuken is the ultimate style and is indefeatable - not exactly an unbiased outlook.
 
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the japanese word for frog is the same as toads, iirc - the manga translation calls them frogs, the anime dub calls them toads
Thanks, that's very useful information.
Evidence for this? I don't really see it.
Only very tangential one - he knew about chakra exhaustion on sight and didn't want Hyuugas coming after him - this suggests to me that Hiashi already talked to him.
Naruto is very much a Schizo Tech setting - its best to just relax on this and let it be
It is, yes, but I'm not sure how this is relevant. We know that tech exists in the same village as Hyuuga compound, and yet they deny it to themselves.
i mean, he also believes that the jyuuken is the ultimate style and is indefeatable - not exactly an unbiased outlook.
True, and he knows little of Gaara, but he wouldn't intentionally endanger his daughter like that. And, hell, his byakugan should be strong enough (unless Hinata's feat of 20 km range at 15 years of age is a super-outlier one) that he should be able to see and inspect Gaara's chakra in detail while talking to Hinata.
 
Not to mention Gaara isn't the end-all be-all of what we're facing down. Jyuuken is all well and good, but Hinanta's already toting around 4 dots plus her three Dexterirty and possibly another six dots if people can get on board with a plan and get the Dex Excellency, (Seriously, Appearance Excellency? WTF!?), so we're already throwing around a lot of dice there honestly.

It's just... Jyuuken isn't really lethal. Or at least not in the way some of the stuff we can grab with Charms is. Like we want a Surprise Negator, we want the Dex Excellency. I want Blood-Curdling Ripple Strike for both the damage and the Penalty it applies. And then we'll probably want more dodge. Because you always want more dodge. Or more Dex even.
It is, yes, but I'm not sure how this is relevant. We know that tech exists in the same village as Hyuuga compound, and yet they deny it to themselves.
It's called Pride, Yog.
 
[X] As hard as she can
-[x] Wisely, not foolishly. When the body is exhausted, she would train the mind. When the mind is exhausted, Hinata would cultivate the will. When the will is exhausted, she would rest. There is no gain in self-destruction.

Not to mention Gaara isn't the end-all be-all of what we're facing down. Jyuuken is all well and good, but Hinanta's already toting around 4 dots plus her three Dexterirty and possibly another six dots if people can get on board with a plan and get the Dex Excellency, (Seriously, Appearance Excellency? WTF!?), so we're already throwing around a lot of dice there honestly.

While I mostly agree with you, we need to decisively injure Gaara during the match. While being able to do stuff after that is great and we should aim for that. If gaara isn't suffiecently injured we get a full Bijuu in the middle of our village. So it is important to have at least one potent strategy for gaara.

Also I'd feel alot safer with a strong defensive technique. The easiest technique for us will likely be a full body jyuuken-strike, since that neutralizes like ninety percent of gaara's current arsenal. It is also a prereq for more advanced hyuuga techniques.
 
Also I'd feel alot safer with a strong defensive technique. The easiest technique for us will likely be a full body jyuuken-strike, since that neutralizes like ninety percent of gaara's current arsenal. It is also a prereq for more advanced hyuuga techniques.
Considering the Jutsu system we operate under thanks to being Exalted we can probably just buy it as long as we have an appropriate mentor.

I will admit we're getting more XP than I thought we would be, but it's all going into appropriate stats automatically, which makes it difficult. I mean, we just got presence XP, so Gorgon Glare is that much closer to actually being viable, but we also went and got Strength XP with Enma, which is one of the only things we don't need other than as a Charm perquisite thanks to Gentle Fist.
 
Considering the Jutsu system we operate under thanks to being Exalted we can probably just buy it as long as we have an appropriate mentor.

I will admit we're getting more XP than I thought we would be, but it's all going into appropriate stats automatically, which makes it difficult. I mean, we just got presence XP, so Gorgon Glare is that much closer to actually being viable, but we also went and got Strength XP with Enma, which is one of the only things we don't need other than as a Charm perquisite thanks to Gentle Fist.
My current idea would be to see if we could manage advanced elemental recomposition. I mean, training time-wise it took seconds for Hinata.
 
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