- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I may have mentioned it a few times.
Hits better that way.
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Terminus Quest: A CKII Mass Effect Quest
- Location
- Latvia, Riga
[X]Plan Nutcracker
Largely see your point, as @Angelform said not best, but better than alternatives.
Agree with pressuring Lystheni, by dismantling their "network" and using diplomatic and economic pressures. While "fast and swift" (military) feels like an instinctive reaction, it's better to do it differently, until the time is right (aka dismantle them).
Largely see your point, as @Angelform said not best, but better than alternatives.
Agree with pressuring Lystheni, by dismantling their "network" and using diplomatic and economic pressures. While "fast and swift" (military) feels like an instinctive reaction, it's better to do it differently, until the time is right (aka dismantle them).
@uju32 we know that allowing civilian shipping to go where we are in sentry Omega was less successful than we thought. Why was it less successful? We knew how many ships they had and how and it only half as successful as we thought it would be. So either they had less ships than we thought or something happened.
The executives are worried about something we don't know what , but the last time they were these worried it involved Mira. So either they did something that they know will piss her off or there is someone secretly in the backround as dangerous as Mira. Corporations in real life have literally sold to enemies of there countries. So why would the executives not sale to someone who is kind of a neighbor. They are always looking to make money. Executives that don't won't be in charge for long.
I think they sold them ships behind our back and worried about the truth coming out. They are planning something that involves a lot of ships and are not our friends. For all purposes they are crazy by most species standards and will most likely do something to hurt us eventually.
The executives are worried about something we don't know what , but the last time they were these worried it involved Mira. So either they did something that they know will piss her off or there is someone secretly in the backround as dangerous as Mira. Corporations in real life have literally sold to enemies of there countries. So why would the executives not sale to someone who is kind of a neighbor. They are always looking to make money. Executives that don't won't be in charge for long.
I think they sold them ships behind our back and worried about the truth coming out. They are planning something that involves a lot of ships and are not our friends. For all purposes they are crazy by most species standards and will most likely do something to hurt us eventually.
Not to mention that you don't address the simple ethical or pragmatic part of this.
Killing a ton of people is both unethical, and paints a huge target on your back. And the survivors won't negotiate.
This is a problem when you're not exactly a heavyweight.
If the lystheni had all this shit you're claiming, enough spacelift for literally millions of people and their industry, in addition to an escape route, they could have quietly slipped away while we were fighting the Rachni. Still could now, instead of negotiating.
So why exactly would they jeopardize it by fighting a nation that's like three orders of magnitude larger than them by population alone?
It's like saying 1960s Cuba would stay to fight the US if Alien Space Bats somehow made their island capable of flying out of the reach of the US military.
And frankly, selling civilian ships to the lystheni isn't illegal, and I don't know why you think it is.
As long as they paid their taxes, the corporation who did so would be free and clear. And it's not like they can hide ship production; there's only one set of shipyards in Sentry Omega, and it's in the Hoc System with us.
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pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
So, to get back into productive discussion, @uju32 what are your thoughts on double economic analysis next year with the Unemployment Crisis and Economic Review? The emergence of both of these things into the governments working consciousness has me a little worried for how much we aren't seeing and what might exist at the grassroots level.
Depending, of course, on what Overclocking does, I'd like to push for both of these options next year. They're sorely necessary so we can even see what we are able to do.
In particular, I'd like to take both at once, so we get a full and complete picture of our issues with all the proper context.
Depending, of course, on what Overclocking does, I'd like to push for both of these options next year. They're sorely necessary so we can even see what we are able to do.
In particular, I'd like to take both at once, so we get a full and complete picture of our issues with all the proper context.
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We can't take them both; Colonization locks a slot for 2 years.
Of the 1 free slot we have, Unemployment Crisis has priority IMO(2 years). Then New Cities(4 years).
[X] Logistics II
[X] Backstab
[X] Lystheni (Casus Belli)
[X] Lystheni (Trade Sanctions)
[X] Colony Equipment
[X] Administrative Overclocking
[X] The Best Way To Deal With Pickpockets..
[X] Board of Shareholders
[X] Dietary Supplements
[X] Prothean Examination
[X] Personal Attention: Backstab
[X] Commit Hero Unit (Kurik, Board of Shareholders)
[X] Personal Attention: Administrative Overclocking
[X] Plan Kan It
As for reasons...
Lystheni we have to deal with. Preferably as fast as possible and with minimal losses, therefore - sanctions, casus belli, backstab and dealing with pickpockets. Also, experience for army in taking worlds.
Colony equipment - earlier we start, earlier we finish. Also, combined with (hopefully) short victorious war, that should give us some more years before unrest due to unemployment etc, hits us.
Logistics - a safe yet necessary doing.
Administrative overclocking - we will need this, to deal with crumbling economy.
Shareholders - for we do need for this to succeed, to get info.
As to personal actions - shoring up two actions and making sure Lissa would be able to do magic.
Everything pretty simple, I think, with total cost of 349k credits and total loss of income amounting to 70k credits/turn.
[X] Backstab
[X] Lystheni (Casus Belli)
[X] Lystheni (Trade Sanctions)
[X] Colony Equipment
[X] Administrative Overclocking
[X] The Best Way To Deal With Pickpockets..
[X] Board of Shareholders
[X] Dietary Supplements
[X] Prothean Examination
[X] Personal Attention: Backstab
[X] Commit Hero Unit (Kurik, Board of Shareholders)
[X] Personal Attention: Administrative Overclocking
[X] Plan Kan It
As for reasons...
Lystheni we have to deal with. Preferably as fast as possible and with minimal losses, therefore - sanctions, casus belli, backstab and dealing with pickpockets. Also, experience for army in taking worlds.
Colony equipment - earlier we start, earlier we finish. Also, combined with (hopefully) short victorious war, that should give us some more years before unrest due to unemployment etc, hits us.
Logistics - a safe yet necessary doing.
Administrative overclocking - we will need this, to deal with crumbling economy.
Shareholders - for we do need for this to succeed, to get info.
As to personal actions - shoring up two actions and making sure Lissa would be able to do magic.
Everything pretty simple, I think, with total cost of 349k credits and total loss of income amounting to 70k credits/turn.
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pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Ah shit. You're right.
I would agree with Unemployment Crisis as the priority here. It's an immediate observable problem. Certainly, New Cities would help address it, but I think we might want to do Economic Review before building a whole load of new cities. Knowing where and what the shortfalls in our economy are would help direct the development of metropolitan areas.
After all, we don't want to build cites just for the sake of living space. Cities are more than just dense areas of sapient life, they're economic centers and each has a different economic setup.
- Location
- va
[X] Plan Overlord
I don't really think we should leave them at our back 1 they are crazy and 2 they were exiled for a reason.
I don't really think we should leave them at our back 1 they are crazy and 2 they were exiled for a reason.
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pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
That too.
- Location
- Austria
Counterpoint: building new cities can boost employment.
Also, we seem to really start needing a link to other economies. Ugh.
Costs more though.
Investing -40,000 Income for several years is gonna hurt.
So low hanging fruit.
- Location
- Canada
Inserted tally
[X] plan nutcracker
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
It (building cities) boosts employment on an extremely temporary basis. See the Chinese ghost cities for an example. For long term employment security, you need to know where to build cities, and what to build in them. The key is to not only attract residents in want of living space, but real estate moguls, corporate tenants, manufacturers, retailers.
Thus, Unemployment Crisis to see what the fuck is happening -> Economic Review to provide a small boost and see where we can improve our economy -> New Cities to provide a massive short term fix for unemployment and jump start more domestic industry and to leverage the findings from Unemployment Crisis and Economic Review into long term growth.
Edit: And yes, we desperately need export markets to help deal with our employment crisis. The worst of it is, we are essentially required to cut our only outside market.
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To be fair, in a fusion energy, mass effect society, location is not as important as it would normally be.
Not when it's possible to commute vast distances.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I agree, it is certainly not the pivotal issue it is today, but it is still a major factor, IMO. There are certainly some location specific resources and even in an age of ubiquitous hyperloops, people would likely still rather live and work in the same town.
I personally see it as enough of an issue that delaying New Cities until we have our economic woes diagnosed is fairly prudent.
Though I have to say, If I could take the night shift at a financial firm in say, London, and still live in Colorado, I totally would.
[X] Plan Covering Bases
-[X] Integrating Reforms
-[X] Backsplash
-[X] Lystheni (Making Demands)
-[X] Lystheni (Trade Sanctions)
-[X] Colony Equipment
-[X] Economic Review
-[X] The Best Way To Deal With Pickpockets...
-[X] Board of Shareholders
-[X] Dietary Supplements
-[X] Prothean Examination
-[X] Personal Attention: Lystheni (Making Demands)
-[X] Personal Attention: Economic Review
-[X] Personal Attention: Integrating Reforms
Backsplash: I think we need to pick one of the military options if we're going to provoke the Lystheni. Is moving our military provocative? Yes. Frankly, I think the Lystheni deserve to be provoked. I want to pressure them as hard as we can without outright declaring war.
Why not just declare war? Mostly PR. Eventually we'll be in contact with sane people. Those people will have to worry about what Virmire will do if provoked. I would rather establish the precedent of "firm diplomatc response" than "preemptive alpha strike."
Economic Review: it's been sitting around for a long time so it strikes me as the most urgent of the multiyear projects.
Everything else I think is self explanatory.
-[X] Integrating Reforms
-[X] Backsplash
-[X] Lystheni (Making Demands)
-[X] Lystheni (Trade Sanctions)
-[X] Colony Equipment
-[X] Economic Review
-[X] The Best Way To Deal With Pickpockets...
-[X] Board of Shareholders
-[X] Dietary Supplements
-[X] Prothean Examination
-[X] Personal Attention: Lystheni (Making Demands)
-[X] Personal Attention: Economic Review
-[X] Personal Attention: Integrating Reforms
Backsplash: I think we need to pick one of the military options if we're going to provoke the Lystheni. Is moving our military provocative? Yes. Frankly, I think the Lystheni deserve to be provoked. I want to pressure them as hard as we can without outright declaring war.
Why not just declare war? Mostly PR. Eventually we'll be in contact with sane people. Those people will have to worry about what Virmire will do if provoked. I would rather establish the precedent of "firm diplomatc response" than "preemptive alpha strike."
Economic Review: it's been sitting around for a long time so it strikes me as the most urgent of the multiyear projects.
Everything else I think is self explanatory.
- Location
- Minnesota
[X] Plan Covering Bases
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Ok, I feel like a bit of a compromise is necessary. I agree with the more military opinions ofbut also the other policies set forward, so let's strike it down the middle.
[X] Plan Kan It
-[X]Martial 1: Integrating Reforms: -50,000 Income permanently: 3 years: DC41 - Minister 11 = DC30
-[X]Martial 2: Backsplash: 30,000: 1 years: DC31 - Minister 11 = DC20
-[X]Diplomacy 1: Lystheni(Making Demands): 20,000 : DC41 - Minister 11 = DC30
-[X]Diplomacy 2: Lystheni(Trade Sanctions): 20,000 + -40,000 Income: DC31 - Minister 11 = DC20
-[X]Stewardship 1: Colony Equipment: 70,000 + -30,000 Income(starting end of year 2): 2 years: DC26 - Minister 10 = DC16
-[X]Stewardship 2: Administrative Overclocking: 42,000: DC31 - Minister 10 = DC21
-[X]Intrigue 1: The Best Way To Deal With Pickpockets: 25,000: DC16 - Minister 12= DC4
-[X]Intrigue 2: Board of Shareholders: 35,000: DC36 - Minister 12= DC24
-[X]Learning 1: Quarian Tech Adoption: 35,000: 3 years: DC11 - Minister 11= DC0
-[X]Learning 2: Dietary Supplements: 40,000: DC31 - Minister 11= DC20
-[X]Personal 1: Personal Attention Integrating Reforms [Military 24]
-[X]Personal 2: Personal Attention Lystheni Making Demands[Diplomacy 16]
-[X]Personal 3: The Prime Minister Is Coming Here?: 10,000
Credit Reserves: 398,000 credits.
Yearly Income: 298,000 credits.
BUDGET: 30,000 + 20,000 + 20,000 + 70,000 + 42,000 + 25,000 + 35,000 + 35,000 + 40,000 + 10,000 = 317,000 credits
-90,000 Income
This plan is, essentially, Nutcracker, but includes the provision of Backsplash to prevent the Lystheni from doing anything "irrational." The fact is, we are backing them into a corner, and I'd rather be on guard than not. While they would be signing their own death warrants, they have proven exceedingly paranoid to the point of irrationality.
Backstab wasn't chosen for the same reasons @jacobk listed. Looking like a warlord to the wider galaxy is not what we want. As an independent polity after the war, we can't be seen as a major empire builder or destabilizing warlord. We need to have absolutely ironclad irrefutable justification for the wider galaxy to see that we are strong, but don't just idly swing a bat.
I was also considering Impending Crisis or Economic Review, but neither are absolutely necessary right now, and Overclocking is ramp. The earlier we can get it moving, the better, and it will leverage the others to greater results.
I also see the Amalinya personal option as mandatory, simply because it looks like shit is going down there and it is such an obvious hook.
[X] Plan Kan It
-[X]Martial 1: Integrating Reforms: -50,000 Income permanently: 3 years: DC41 - Minister 11 = DC30
-[X]Martial 2: Backsplash: 30,000: 1 years: DC31 - Minister 11 = DC20
-[X]Diplomacy 1: Lystheni(Making Demands): 20,000 : DC41 - Minister 11 = DC30
-[X]Diplomacy 2: Lystheni(Trade Sanctions): 20,000 + -40,000 Income: DC31 - Minister 11 = DC20
-[X]Stewardship 1: Colony Equipment: 70,000 + -30,000 Income(starting end of year 2): 2 years: DC26 - Minister 10 = DC16
-[X]Stewardship 2: Administrative Overclocking: 42,000: DC31 - Minister 10 = DC21
-[X]Intrigue 1: The Best Way To Deal With Pickpockets: 25,000: DC16 - Minister 12= DC4
-[X]Intrigue 2: Board of Shareholders: 35,000: DC36 - Minister 12= DC24
-[X]Learning 1: Quarian Tech Adoption: 35,000: 3 years: DC11 - Minister 11= DC0
-[X]Learning 2: Dietary Supplements: 40,000: DC31 - Minister 11= DC20
-[X]Personal 1: Personal Attention Integrating Reforms [Military 24]
-[X]Personal 2: Personal Attention Lystheni Making Demands[Diplomacy 16]
-[X]Personal 3: The Prime Minister Is Coming Here?: 10,000
Credit Reserves: 398,000 credits.
Yearly Income: 298,000 credits.
BUDGET: 30,000 + 20,000 + 20,000 + 70,000 + 42,000 + 25,000 + 35,000 + 35,000 + 40,000 + 10,000 = 317,000 credits
-90,000 Income
This plan is, essentially, Nutcracker, but includes the provision of Backsplash to prevent the Lystheni from doing anything "irrational." The fact is, we are backing them into a corner, and I'd rather be on guard than not. While they would be signing their own death warrants, they have proven exceedingly paranoid to the point of irrationality.
Backstab wasn't chosen for the same reasons @jacobk listed. Looking like a warlord to the wider galaxy is not what we want. As an independent polity after the war, we can't be seen as a major empire builder or destabilizing warlord. We need to have absolutely ironclad irrefutable justification for the wider galaxy to see that we are strong, but don't just idly swing a bat.
I was also considering Impending Crisis or Economic Review, but neither are absolutely necessary right now, and Overclocking is ramp. The earlier we can get it moving, the better, and it will leverage the others to greater results.
I also see the Amalinya personal option as mandatory, simply because it looks like shit is going down there and it is such an obvious hook.
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kelgar04
Knight Watcher
- Location
- Here and no were
Mate your missing a [ on your post.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
thanks.