Sune's Solution (D&D/MGE)

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[x] [What is… a Cheshire?]

I definitely want to ask about the cheshire, but I was stuck for a second question.
 
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[X] [What is… a Cheshire?]

As someone who hasn't read MGE, and still debating on whether I should get it, background on the setting and on our newest member is what most interests me.

This conversation with Brynhildr is interesting to me. I can understand where she is coming from, and I can understand where Baeran is coming from, but it seems like both are having trouble finding a middle ground on their feelings on the matter. I can't help but favor Baeran on the matter though-matchmaking is one thing, but influencing other mentally to pair people up, or multiple people together is another. Use words, use actions to convince Baeran, but don't influence his thoughts to make him act in ways you want him to Brynhildr. Even if you think it's what will make everyone happy.
 
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Baeran could really use some background here. Practically everything about these women is coming out of left field for him, and the mutual culture shock is real. Edjicait youself, dood!
 
nmorrow said:
As someone who hasn't read MGE, and still debating on whether I should get it, background on the setting and on our newest member is what most interests me.
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Everything (currently translated, at least, which should be everything up to and including the latest species releases, which were quite awhile ago?) is currently available on the wiki, including stuff like a page talking about early setting details that used to be on the creator's website but never made it into official products, and FAQs and whatnot. I'd frankly recommend, if you choose to get into MGE, to go wiki diving first and only buy the actual books if you really want to support the creator.
 
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Exposition time! Could go for the 'why me' as well, but getting more general context first might help. Definitely leaning against the Chesire question though, if for no other reason than that this is supposed to be Brynhild time rather than getting sidetracked by the cat. Might actually be better to ask that on the road, where Baeran will be stuck between the two of them for the duration.
 
Well there's a great deal to unpack in that discussion. Mostly about Brynhild, but Baeran also let slip a few things. Like the mind influencing thing he has some trauma over and is strongly not thinking about.

But that bit about Brynhild being a victim, that recontextualizes that earlier debate she had with the Hakutaku on the nature of good and evil, and why she's pressing Baeran so hard on monster girl needs. Because she might very much not like being what she is, but also doesn't feel like she has a whole lot of choice in how she acts. But the nobility act itself might be a deliberate attempt to distance herself from her past self. There's probably a very foul mixture of emotions feeding her actions, motivations and maybe even thoughts.

Though I don't want to speculate too much, as we are going to be getting answers in her own words soon.

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I don't want to stay to far from Brynhild far as subject matter goes, but I do want Baeran to have some greater context of her world and why certain things may be certain ways. The culture a person comes from is very important to understanding the person themselves.
 
The latter half of the conversation feel like they were talking past eachother more then anything, especially since Brynhild has been evasive about herself. I know how bicorns work, and from the sound of things she got turned by a pretty bad route, but it all boils down to culture clash that has been solidly working against us.

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We need context. We need to sit her down and actually talk about the world she comes from. Why are they so obsessed with sex and love? Are gods involved with all of this? Why do some some species feed on just love and sexual fluids like some kind of succubus? I think we need to try and get everyone on the same page to try and fix these cracks that are building up, and the thirsty bicorn is our best source for that.
 
Preventer Squall said:
The latter half of the conversation feel like they were talking past eachother more then anything, especially since Brynhild has been evasive about herself. I know how bicorns work, and from the sound of things she got turned by a pretty bad route, but it all boils down to culture clash that has been solidly working against us.
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It felt like that because they are talking past each other. Both are setting down red lines for the other not to cross while also saying why they can't necessarily abide by the others red lines - Brynhild about her infleunce, Baeran about his own hardline stance.

The point of the matter is the only person we're making reasonable progress with is our squire - everyone else we seem to be slowly offending or potentially stringing along because when it comes down to it the culture clash is bad enough to seem irreconcilable.

We've tried telling the girls to change and it's gotten us nowhere and Baeran seems decently set in his ways. How are we to seduce anyone if our hero has fundamental issues with core aspects of the girls? ARE we supposed to be seducing them? If so... how?



[X] [Why me?]
Why latch onto me so quickly?

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You still know little about it.
 
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-[X] Are there any especially dangerous specimens from your world I should be on guard for?
 
Dragontrapper said:
We've tried telling the girls to change and it's gotten us nowhere and Baeran seems decently set in his ways.
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Has Baeran told the other girls they need to change? I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely don't know. I think he set clear rules on what he feels, and what his values are, but I don't know if that means he's making the MG's (monster girls) follow his morals.
 
It seems Baerun would be tempted to kill a number of the cast of Gushing Over Magical Girls. He would definitely kill two of them.

Look that up at your own peril. The anime went the Ishuzoku Reviewers route of adaptation, so the manga is more... platable.
Erien said:
She turns back, taking a step towards you as she does so. "Perhaps ah should go back to talkin' like this? Ya got a problem with how ah talk as well?"
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I'm will continue to hear these kinds of lines, when they come from Brynhild, with a Scottish or Irish accent.
Erien said:
"I am sexual Sir. But beautiful is another matter. I am aware that I am but half a woman, and there was a time before now I was more… desirable. But now I seek the pleasure of others." Brynhild looks away. "Or rather, I seek to allow others pleasure so that I might feel some myself."

"You were… desperate that night in my room."

"I did not believe myself ever capable of having such a chance again sir."
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I see this story isn't going to gloss over the inevitable body dysmorphia that is the mamono conversion process.
Erien said:
She looked… resigned. Not excited, or nervous. Ashamed.

"I am not a being to be desired sir, no longer
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Ah... I'm starting to get the picture. :( I'll wait until the next chapter before I theorize.
Preventer Squall said:
Are gods involved with all of this?
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Baerun is going to be pissed when he finds out what MGE's gods have gotten up to.
nmorrow said:
Has Baeran told the other girls they need to change? I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely don't know. I think he set clear rules on what he feels, and what his values are, but I don't know if that means he's making the MG's (monster girls) follow his morals.
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I think Baerun has been trying to hint at it, hoping they figure it out for themselves, because directly telling someone they need to change will usually go poorly.

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As a farmer, Brynhild will have little knowledge of the wider MGE world, but it's a lot more than Ignis or Miki could or would tell.
 
I'm tempted to add, "Ask Brynhild if she would like a hug after she puts her clothes back on," but I don't know how to word it without sounding weird or childish.
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"So the side that would have the entire world overrun with beings that violate people in mind, body and soul, is the objectively less shitty faction?"
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As far as I know, even the evil gods of DnD will do what they are asked with sufficient prayer and sacrifices. The active goddesses of MGE do not. Ares is biased towards Mamono and is doing her job incorrectly. Humans pray to Poseidon so their boats do not sink. Poseidon sinks humans' boats regularly to toss husbands at aquatic mamono. That's without talking about why the original god of MGE made monsters and the monster lord system. It's to prevent human civilization from advancing with generational monster hordes that only stop when the monster lord is defeated.
 
Dragontrapper said:
The point of the matter is the only person we're making reasonable progress with is our squire - everyone else we seem to be slowly offending or potentially stringing along because when it comes down to it the culture clash is bad enough to seem irreconcilable.

We've tried telling the girls to change and it's gotten us nowhere and Baeran seems decently set in his ways. How are we to seduce anyone if our hero has fundamental issues with core aspects of the girls? ARE we supposed to be seducing them? If so... how?
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The biggest overall issue has been a few ethical issues and their rather strong disinterest in consent. And in that regard, they probably shouldn't be hanging out with a paladin. Though that's not all of it.

The big issue with Ignis is that, like most barbarians, she's a meathead and an asshole. That's not something necessarily baked into her as a Salamander. If she can be convinced to be less of an asshole, being a meathead isn't a big deal. Nor is the sex requirement. The problem there is that's its very hard to convince meatheads to change.

Brynhild is... probably a mess of issues that only start at what her instincts push her towards, and is in need of a lot of help in general.

Miki and Ilias are kinda unknowns, though by reputation Ilias is more of a problem then the entire party put together and there's every chance we will end up putting her to the sword.

As to whether Bearen is supposed to be seducing them, given Brynhild and Ilias were actually dropped on his head by spells related to his goddess, I'd say yes. If Bearen wants to do that is another question. What things is he willing to bend on, and what boundaries should the monster girls not push? This shouldn't be all or nothing on either side.

Or to put it in story terms, everyone needs some character development.
Dead Pann said:
Baerun is going to be pissed when he finds out what MGE's gods have gotten up to.
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He's going to be pissed at everyone, that place is just pretty damn shit
Dead Pann said:
I see this story isn't going to gloss over the inevitable body dysmorphia that is the mamono conversion process.
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Yeah, I was getting those vibes. That and the almost certain rape are issues I feel comfortable calling right now.
 
Nottheunmaker said:
Brynhild is... probably a mess of issues that only start at what her instincts push her towards, and is in need of a lot of help in general.
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I would argue that, to some degree, Brynhild is hiding behind what her instincts tell her to do to avoid talking about her issues. She may have lacked self-worth before she became a mamono, but turning into one exasperated that issue.
 
Dead Pann said:
I see this story isn't going to gloss over the inevitable body dysmorphia that is the mamono conversion process.
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I mean. The body/self-image issues are typically overwritten by the Mamono instinct package, so I'm thinking the bit you quoted is more the 'was cheated on' inherent to being a Bicorn rather than the conversion process itself, something even a natural born Mamono might suffer from.
 
my two cents while on cold meds

in verse it's been what? a few days? maybe a week? The cast is still sorting out the differences in their world views hell to a degree they've yet to relize how different the views are. Thats on top of sorting out what are actually ingrained imperatives vs social norms developed in a world full of monstergirls.

Only way they're gonna be able to actually sort everything out and work out what works socially is to talk and communicate. Thats on Baeran and the girls.

While this is going on we need to figure out where the girls came from and how they got here. Searching for clues and dealing with actually threats like the candlekeep hounds will provide near term goals narratively but also contrasts between the girls and the other parts of their [or other] world leaking through.

of course i dont know enough about forgotten realms to know where to go next.... perhaps a planning meeting where everyone can chime in and Baerun can give a lay of the land might be useful.
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*flops off to suffer his cold*
 
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