Summoner in the Elemental Nations (Naruto Celestial Menagerie Quest)

[X] Try to not be lethal, but in the end, if it's between him and them, a choice is obvious.
[X] Go directly West. Tazuna there means it's his and Tsunami's house, right? Their perspective should help.
[X] Power Roll (500 Points)
 
[X] Mostly lethal. He can't afford to hold back.

[X] Go North-East. That pirate sign is still weird. Maybe those are Gato's corsairs of some type? Independent faction that operates with Gato's permission? Looting them may be possible as well?
[X] Power Roll (500 Points
 
Ah after 10,000 hours of work I am finally free! Time to read!

Also, that 'dream scene' was my unique way to introduce Theme rolls, and 0 points Summons rolls.
My only issue was how abrupt it was. There's little explaination in this chapter and none in the previous. Did he bunker down for the night? Did H catch him in the saddle? How did he dream? Please remember to smooth this sort of thing out in the future.

Andy wakes up suddenly, and at least he is happy about his crotch not hurting as much.
Wasn't there something in the description about being able to summon a saddle and stuff for riding and the tack disappearing if taken too far away from the horse?
[] Mostly lethal. He can't afford to hold back.
[] Try to not be lethal, but in the end, if it's between him and them, a choice is obvious.
[] Non-lethal. Leaving dead bodies can be bad by itself, and in the end, he isn't a killer.
Is he talking about marching over there and killing right now?

Either or. 1 will help us get a lay if the land the other gets immediate experience. Though I am leaning more towards Tzuna for lay of the land.

[X] Go North-East. That pirate sign is still weird. Maybe those are Gato's corsairs of some type? Independent faction that operates with Gato's permission? Looting them may be possible as well?

[X] Go directly West. Tazuna there means it's his and Tsunami's house, right? Their perspective should help.

After that talk I am feeling better about leaving the Speed Boost.

[X] Creature
 
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[x] Try to not be lethal, but in the end, if it's between him and them, a choice is obvious.

[x] Go directly West. Tazuna there means it's his and Tsunami's house, right? Their perspective should help.

[x] Creature Roll (500 Points)

I would feel more comfortable choosing power if he had ten creatures first, as that is his current limit, and not to knock the Death Stalker or Warrior Bug but we lack too much info to be making waves while Zabuza and Haku's current status is hazy. Zabuza was one of the Seven Swordsmen of the Hidden Mist Village, and while Kisame called him the weakest of them, Zabuza still kept Kakashi on the backfoot throughout their fight on the bridge, experienced and sly is what to look out for. That's not even counting Haku's near invulnerability when using their bloodline ability, how can our MC handle them but to run away?

Having a chat with just anyone in the village could go poorly because of how our MC looks, decently clean with his own horse and yet traveling alone without a saddle? Ninja don't use horses, nobles don't travel alone, and merchants wouldn't travel near Gato's territory. At worst they could think him a horse thief, but they wouldn't do anything beyond avoiding him, "He could be looking to join Gato's gang." they might be thinking. Tazuna is a downtrodden builder drowning his sorrows in drink but people still listened to him when crap hit the fan with Gato going after Tsunami and the kid whose name I have forgotten.

This is all just one guys take on it from what they remember watching Naruto 15 years ago and reading WAY to much isekai manga that like to make twists on the locals version of common sense. You do you for how you write, I'm having a good time reading and just wanted to share my thoughts.
 
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My only issue was how abrupt it was. There's little explaination in this chapter and none in the previous. Did he bunker down for the night? Did H catch him in the saddle? How did he dream? Please remember to smooth this sort of thing out in the future.

The chapter before this ends up with the words of him taking a nap. It's not completely abrupt, but it is kind of unexpected.

Wasn't there something in the description about being able to summon a saddle and stuff for riding and the tack disappearing if taken too far away from the horse?

You're right. My bad. I will correct it at one point. Those aren't that big of an issue, as I only included like 2-3 sentences about it, so fixing this isn't that big of a deal. I could think of a potential explanation as well.

I kind of try to keep up writing daily for as long as I can, but the price is that I don't proofread my posts really after I sit I return from work each day, as I prefer to write ASAP, and still have some evening to spend on relaxing.

So yeah, if some errors show up, just point them out, and I will try to fix them when I can.

Is he talking about marching over there and killing right now?

This is more like a vote in case it's necessary. Starting a slaughter from the get-go isn't the best way to do it, especially with people that don't know how MC is. Although let's say killing bandits abusers would be a welcome sight from most people there.

I would feel more comfortable choosing power if he had ten creatures first, as that is his current limit, and not to knock the Death Stalker or Warrior Bug but we lack too much info to be making waves while Zabuza and Haku's current status is hazy. Zabuza was one of the Seven Swordsmen of the Hidden Mist Village, and while Kisame called him the weakest of them, Zabuza still kept Kakashi on the backfoot throughout their fight on the bridge, experienced and sly is what to look out for. That's not even counting Haku's near invulnerability when using their bloodline ability, how can our MC handle them but run away?

In this scenario, with the current squad, it would mean get the hell out obviously.

But as I said this is kind of a 'tutorial arc', so I'm not throwing anything really extreme when it goes to opponents.

Having a chat with just anyone in the village could go poorly because of how our MC looks, decently clean with his own horse and yet traveling alone without a saddle?

I will fix the saddle part. Assume that he has it. But one of the goals here is, depending on the chosen target, to find some clothes to change into, to look more 'local'.

Ninja don't use horses, nobles don't travel alone, and merchants wouldn't travel near Gato's territory. At worst they could think him a horse thief, but they wouldn't do anything beyond avoiding him, "He could be looking to join Gato's gang." they might be thinking. Tazuna is a downtrodden builder drowning his sorrows in drink but people still listened to him when crap hit the fan with Gato going after Tsunami and the kid whose name I have forgotten.

He won't be going everywhere on the horse. But I can see the point.

I do mention that this Naruto will be a mix of some darker themes, and well, shounen 'rule of cool', which depending on how someone interprets Naruto, is how more or less it works.

This is all just one guys take on it from what they remember watching Naruto 15 years ago and reading WAY to much isekai manga that like to make twists on the locals version of common sense. You do you for how you write, I'm having a good time reading and just wanted to share my thoughts.

It's fine ;). And it's nice to see that you enjoy it so far.
 
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A power that'd be good with this is Calming Aura.
You know this puts me in mind of a manga called Yureka I believe. A MMORPG manga. There was this character who was a beast tamer class. Highest level you can go. He got into a fight. In story\game the goal of a Beast Tamer is to rank up to be able to tame the highest ranked beast easily. And the other guy thought it'd be easy to fight a Tamer that high leveled because the old man didn't have any powerful creatures with him.
Turned out that when you are maxed out Beast Tamer, Taming ordinary forest creatures is so trivial easy that it barely takes him a second for every creatures in his sight line.
Half an hour in the fight and it's like the forest itself is against him. Every bird reports on his location and every ant, to poisonous creature is trying to kill him.
I propose that we have him try and talk with the forest animals and try to work out deals to get the forest's loyalty.

You're right. My bad. I will correct it at one point.

You don't necessarily have to change anything. Just make it so he had no idea tell X happens. Or Fancy held out on him for a joke.
 
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Vote/Count Tally 3
You don't necessarily have to change anything. Just make it so he had no idea tell X happens. Or Fancy held out on him for a joke.

Good idea, but I already made edits before you posted this. Oh well, shrug.

Vote Count.

Number of Votes: 10

Creatures/Powers Roll.

1. Power Roll. -> 4
2. Creature Roll. -> 5

Well, talk about a close vote. In the end, Creature Roll barely wins.

Lethal/Non-Lethal Vote.

1. Mostly lethal. He can't afford to hold back. -> 2
2. Try to not be lethal, but in the end, if it's between him and them, a choice is obvious. -> 8

Players Action Vote.

1. Go North-East. That pirate sign is still weird. Maybe those are Gato's corsairs of some type? Independent faction that operates with Gato's permission? Looting them may be possible as well? -> 3
2. Go directly West. Tazuna there means it's his and Tsunami's house, right? Their perspective should help. -> 6

And the roll incoming:

Roll: D50=37 Card Captor Sakura, D51=34 The Shield

Banked Points: 200

Well, this is a pretty good roll if you ask me. Something defensive, to help MC, and depending on circumstances cover someone else. I'm a bit surprised that Card Captor Sakura ends up being rolled pretty often in those kind of stories, and this quest looks like isn't an exception, heh. I don't know Card Captor Sakura show well, so I will do some research on the subject to make it as accurate as possible.

Also a question - do you want to have an option to roll any points left after such rolls? In this case, there would be a second 200 roll for another Creature as well. In this case you may still bank points, or spend them again, but if something is left afterward (like 100 Points, As You Rolled 100 Creature), you can't do it more then once per turn. If it would be a 0 roll, second roll wouldn't be repeated. In this case vote style would change towards this:

[Creature Roll]
[Power Roll]
[Creature Roll: Second Roll]
[Power Roll: Second Roll]

In the case of last two options, any points that are left are rerolled in the same category. Also it must be the same category, so no Power+Creature 2 roll option in the same turn.

Also max point count right now is 600. Anything over this goes to waste or I will think of something here. I'm open to suggestions. If you agree with this, I will turn this post into informational separate post.

Also like always, I will try to post it today. If not - 1-2 delay is possible, as I feel a bit tired now.
 
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Feel free to rest if you want to.
A second roll to help keep points from going to waste is good! It'd also help from getting anything too powerfully game breaking. Though I'd personally like the shunt from Creature to Power and Power to Creature like you suggest.
[Creature Roll]
[Power Roll]
[Creature Roll: Second Roll]
[Power Roll: Second Roll]

In the case of last two options, any points that are left are rerolled in the same category. Also it must be the same category, so no Power+Creature 2 roll option in the same turn
Wait this bit is confusing. Are you saying if the first roll is Creature then it'd be Creatures all the way? Or it'd be Creature Power Creature Power like you are showing in the first part?

I like that Shield. And such good timing too. That Bridge is the most precious item in the area, narratively that feels very appropriate.
 
Feel free to rest if you want to.
A second roll to help keep points from going to waste is good! It'd also help from getting anything too powerfully game breaking. Though I'd personally like the shunt from Creature to Power and Power to Creature like you suggest.

The way it works is that I go to work this week from 7 AM to 15 PM. Once I'm back from work, I chill a bit, eat something, and sit to write. If it flows nicely, I just write. If not - I feel like I need a break.

We'll see today and tomorrow. I have free Saturday and Sunday, with no personal plans, so those days should see some updates ;).

Wait this bit is confusing. Are you saying if the first roll is Creature then it'd be Creatures all the way? Or it'd be Creature Power Creature Power like you are showing in the first part?

In this case, let's say you have 600 points. You roll and end up with 300 points creature. With this, you have 300 points left. If you go with let's say [Creature Roll: Second Roll] in this case you roll again for a creature, but with 300 points left. If this creature is let's say 100 points, those last 200 points are banked, as there isn't a third roll. This also happens with 2nd roll, if you end up with 0 points creature, so there is also no third roll in this case.

But if you go with [Power Roll: Second Roll], you roll this way twice for Power.

A reason why I don't want to do Creature->Power combination here is that in this case at any higher point count (at least 400) people won't bother voting for the solo Creature/Solo roll, when they may get 2 rolls from both categories. I may be wrong, so in the next turn, I plan to do this experiment and see how it goes.

I guess a compromise may be that once per few turns I may allow doing this, and in this case, I would call it [Creature+Power Roll: Second Roll] or another way around [Power+Creature: Second Roll]. If it gets confusing, I will simply keep it the way it is.

Anyway, I want to also avoid hoarding points, by skipping turns, so yes, if the word count goes over 600, points go to waste. So in this case, if you have 400-500 points, and want to risk banking points, it's on you. I will lift this rule later on, let's say when late-game gets close. Or you have to face someone powerful like Pein.

Again, I will play with balancing here, and if you have suggestions, I'm fine with listening to them.

As mentioned before - Naruto is a bit more delicate world to deal with than Marvel/Worm/DC, where finding someone stronger is almost always possible, so I feel it's necessary.

I like that Shield. And such good timing too. That Bridge is the most precious item in the area, narratively that feels very appropriate.

Yeah, the timing for it is really good. Luck was on your side this time around. Although The Shield mentions this paragraph:

Shield Magic: Shield is able to construct a powerful barrier to protect whomever it's master wishes, it can only be penetrated by powerful enough magical force.

For me, chakra is pretty much 'ninja magic' so sufficient force will absolutely penetrate it. Also, it's 300 points creature, so I will put a limit on how much it can take. I may also do it, in a bit of like Glory Girl forcefield. She can tank ANY hit, but once. In this case, the more powerful hit is, the shorter time this shield lasts.

So in this case, if you used The Shield to tank Pein's Almighty Push at full power, it would tank it, but it would instantly disappear. I think this is fair. I don't want The Shield to become an ultimate 'stop attack' creature all the time.

Also, I'm thinking about how physical attacks directly powered by chakra will act here. I think they will still work but in a less efficient way.
 
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So in this case, if you used The Shield to tank Pein's Almighty Push at full power, it would tank it, but it would instantly disappear. I think this is fair. I don't want The Shield to become an ultimate 'stop attack' creature all the time.
This pretty much depends on how it works. Almighty Push is definitely not real gravity effect, like due to space-time distortion, I think. However, if it is something which affects sen-сhakra around to make things move, for example, than shield need to interact with this thing: block it completely or only stop energy transmition through the field...

I feel that things are always much more complicated and confusing. There are may be some effects, which straight up do not interact with shield, but still can hurt people - like genjutsu. So all unorthodox powers can have unpredictable interactions with each other. Andy should keep that in mind.

P.S. Chakra is pretty interesting type of magic. Howerver, I still have some questions about it. Like, Wood Release can make pretty much normal, living trees, but are they any different from ones grown naturally? What about ways to absorb chakra - can it take away chakra-created water or stone? If yes, than what differents between real matter and chakra created? Maybe there are different types of creation/interactions: some can create physically complete replicas of things, but others make real things. Like, Pein could absorb chakra constructs with one of his Paths, but had problems with sen-chakra...
Yeah, this make me think quite hard.
 
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Clown Cards are like spirits yeh? Might be interesting if ninja with sensory powers notice the Clown Cards have no physical energy.

What happens if we roll Naruto Creatures? Is Andy just retroactively getting those creatures because timey-whimy or will that just trigger a reroll because the CM *doesn't* have those Creatures yet?
 
Clown Cards are like spirits yeh? Might be interesting if ninja with sensory powers notice the Clown Cards have no physical energy.

I would say a good chakra sensor may still detect them. In Naruto, there is a split between Yin (Spiritual Part of Chakra) and Yang (Physical Part of Chakra). I would say ghost counts almost fully as a spiritual creature, still made out of energy. And I won't be doing here much of a difference for a sensor between chakra, and let's say pure mana. Some really exotic energy types won't count as 'magic'. We'll see how it will go, once we end up with something like that. Most likely anything technological (lasers, etc.) shouldn't count as any sort of 'supernatural energy' for obvious reasons.

What happens if we roll Naruto Creatures? Is Andy just retroactively getting those creatures because timey-whimy or will that just trigger a reroll because the CM *doesn't* have those Creatures yet?

Nah, I will absolutely include them. For even more chaos obviously. But the reason is that Celestial Menagerie in the end copied those Naruto creatures from a different Naruto reality, thus 'own them'. In this case, nothing stops Celestial Menagerie from granting Andy those options anyway, even if he is in Naruto.

In "Brockton's Celestial Forge" from what I remember the MC unlocked both Siberian and Night while being in Worm. So I don't see any reason to deny Andy any potential Naruto roll.

At one point rolling Kurama, and people knowing you have your own version of a Tailed Beast would bring some panicked reaction.

Yes, you may also end up with a chakra bloodline as well, thus unlocking chakra access. The chance for it is pretty slim, so I don't see it happening anytime soon, but again, Gacha has its own rules.

This pretty much depends on how it works. Almighty Push is definitely not real gravity effect, like due to space-time distortion, I think. However, if it is something which affects sen-сhakra around to make things move, for example, than shield need to interact with this thing: block it completely or only stop energy transmition through the field...

The way I interpret it is anything that can directly damage the shield itself as 'damage'. Gravity/Space Effect that directly hits it, may be blocked. But if it goes in, while managing to avoid it, it will hit in.

Anyway, I will do some research on this, as well, I need to know how it exactly works in the series. YouTube videos, etc.

I feel that things are always much more complicated and confusing. There are may be some effects, which straight up do not interact with shield, but still can hurt people - like genjutsu. So all unorthodox powers can have unpredictable interactions with each other. Andy should keep that in mind.

GenJutsu sounds like one of those exceptions that should work. In the end, GenJutsu is more about affecting the chakra system of the victim. And if GenJutsu will work, when Andy doesn't have chakra? Well... who knows, I can't reveal everything :p.
 
Clown Cards are like spirits yeh? Might be interesting if ninja with sensory powers notice the Clown Cards have no physical energy.
Or even stranger - notice some weird interaction of their sensory abilities and spirits. Because these creatures are kinda from other world with different rules - so sensors maybe can tell: "Hmm, it has physical form, but it feels like thing only contain spirit component... Very weird one - never felt something like this before".
Very good place for strange things to happen.

GenJutsu sounds like one of those exceptions that should work. In the end, GenJutsu is more about affecting the chakra system of the victim. And if GenJutsu will work, when Andy doesn't have chakra? Well... who knows, I can't reveal everything
Hmm, I think there was something else. If it only about chakra flow, than mundane animals should not be affected. I remember that insects of Aburame clan wasn't affected by genjutsu. It's about lack of brain structure or something...
There is also precedent of inverted genjutsu nature: Izanagi - changing reality to illusion.
 
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In "Brockton's Celestial Forge" from what I remember the MC unlocked both Siberian and Night while being in Worm. So I don't see any reason to deny Andy any potential Naruto roll.
Because that's (Worm) is like somebody independently figuring out how to make a phone.
Andy is there as a Troubleshooter's assistant to aquire samples for the CM itself. It doesn't make sense that he needs to aquire a 9 Tailed Beast when the CM already has one. The premise you set up is this is the early days before Naruto was included into the CM and Z and H requires someone to get the samples to add in the catagory.
 
It doesn't make sense that he needs to aquire a 9 Tailed Beast when the CM already has one.
This may end up bad. Because what if there is only can be one tailed beast at the same time? Copy not gonna be here - it will fuse with original of this universe or something... Or at the moment of summon every other Beast will know, that something weird happened to the world. This creatures can communicate with each on distance, be resurrect after death and have pretty weird nature themself. It can be a headache.

Hope this will be curious situation, if it happen.
 
Andy is there as a Troubleshooter's assistant to aquire samples for the CM itself.

He can help out, but absolutely isn't forced to. It was more like 'it would be nice if you get those missing samples we don't have yet'. As Celestial Forge 4.1 version still has picks from Naruto that aren't on the list. Celestial Menagerie has everything else already, so Andy doesn't need to get them in the first place. And when Celestial Menagerie has them, they can give them. It won't cause any sort of paradox or anything.

So yeah, Andy can get missing ones, as yes, things like Ninneko are still missing from Celestial Menagerie, but the rest that shows up in the catalog he doesn't need to capture.

At least it was the plan - but well, plans may change. I will think about it.

This may end up bad. Because what if there is only can be one tailed beast at the same time? Copy not gonna be here - it will fuse with original of this universe or something... Or at the moment of summon every other Beast will know, that something weird happened to the world. This creatures can communicate with each on distance, be resurrect after death and have pretty weird nature themself. It can be a headache.

Honestly, I didn't plan to do anything specific here. But well... I may reconsider it, I guess?

Yes, they can absolutely communicate with each other. In some Naruto fanfiction, those situations happened (with 2 Kuramas in the same dimension), and it caused no paradox issues. Pretty much it's up to my interpretation. The pure chaos of it happening makes me want to allow those to be summoned anyway.

Anyway, I will get back to this, once it happens in the first place. A chance for it is kind of low really.

Hmm, I think there was something else. If it only about chakra flow, than mundane animals should not be affected. I remember that insects of Aburame clan wasn't affected by genjutsu. It's about lack of brain structure or something...
There is also precedent of inverted genjutsu nature: Izanagi - changing reality to illusion.

Also, Yakumo Kurama is in filler anime, with Izanagi being a more famous example. But yes, interaction with a brain was necessary in some way.
 
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Also, Yakumo Kurama is in filler anime, with Izanagi being a more famous example. But yes, interaction with a brain was necessary in some way.
Well, spirit component is both a derivative of the psyche and its determinant. It makes me thinking again.

Because some spirit specialized clans have high intelligence of some type and able to use techniques of yin release. They more spiritualy strong because of tendency to specific type of chakra AND they have this tendency because thier brain/genetics/physiology built this way. Such is the logical loop, which is most likely resolved by considering the ontogeny of an individual member of the clan. At some point in life, the physical structure and the development of the psyche are more important, which create a tendency to spiritual concentration. And at another stage, the roles change - the spiritual component feeds the development of certain parts of the nervous system. There may be some alternation. Where first one side wins, then the other, until they stop in the center. Like a pendulum. Maybe this two are approximately balanced at the moment of conception, but the interaction of the chakra and the genetics of the parents exists in one direction. So fluctuations can begin both with the influence of the spiritual component of the chakra on physical development, and vice versa with the influence of the characteristics of physical development on the spiritual component - although at the same time the balance may not be disturbed or a temporary parallelism of these two components is possible. If we add to this the bodily component of the chakra, which also influences and interacts with the body...

Oh Chaos, psychophysical problem becoming squared in difficulty and complexity! Local medics, geneticists and physiologists have such a headache to work with.

P.S. Shit, it can be even the root of clan occurrence. Hagoromo gave chakra to pretty much already developed people - both physiologically and mentally. Howerver, poeple will have children later on - this where chaotic fluctuations began, changes have occurred because the embryonic and postembryonic development of each individual has its own unique features. And each time the components of the chakra and the physical body interacted differently. If we add to this the possible soul development shenanigans...

But wait, Hagoromo maybe gave people balanced chakra, where components were firmly merged together and there was no need to calculate the doses of the two components to create techniques. There were no techniques in the usual way - that was not his goal at all. People have break the doctrine of ninshu later. But why? Because their children were born very different. Their chakra was different. This led to the emergence of barriers between people and the formation of clans. Hagoromo's solutions for strife worked only for a few generations, because chakra added to racial, linguistic and cultural differences one more, much more acute - existential, natural differences between chakra of different families. Created, in fact, different species in some cases. If we add to this the religious background of ninshu, than imagine split in faith and philosophy of different people became easy. Now I want to delve into the study of the issue and recall some points...

It is possible write a whole book about it. How far away I've been carried!
 
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Because what if there is only can be one tailed beast at the same time?
I feel like it wouldn't be that bad. The worst would be the native tailed Beast would suffer some existentialism. Like in that filler episode where a guy takes remnants of Kurama's chakra, injects it into his son Sora, and makes a 9-tailed clone. Granted, Kurama's response to existentialism was to scream murder and compel Naruto to kill the faker, but I highly doubt two of the same tailed beast will cause an anomaly.
 
Granted, Kurama's response to existentialism was to scream murder and compel Naruto to kill the faker, but I highly doubt two of the same tailed beast will cause an anomaly.
They probably just try to kill each other in the worst case scenario. Wonderful.

Also, what happen, if Statue suck up our summoned Beast? What if it will be last beast needed to make Ten Tailed?
 
They probably just try to kill each other in the worst case scenario. Wonderful.
They probably wouldn't if Andy can put his foot down to keep his Kurama chill.
Also, what happen, if Statue suck up our summoned Beast? What if it will be last beast needed to make Ten Tailed?
A bait and switch, I imagine? Though, if the Statue is strong enough to stop a de-summoning that raises some interesting questions. First, that would make the new Ten Tails stronger than canon. Remember, Naruto only has half the 9-tails, and his father has the other half. Hypothetically, if Andy had a 9-tails then he would have a complete variation. Second, the Akatsuki were very successful and while they got substantial portions of Gyuki and Kurama, they didn't get all of it.
 
Second, the Akatsuki were very successful and while they got substantial portions of Gyuki and Kurama, they didn't get all of it.
Hmm, maybe than they only needed enough Beasts chakra as catalyst for Statue to regenerate the missing part of Ten Tailed. There weren't need to take full beast, but this just the best case scenario for Statue to work. It can restore itself in the rihgt conditions.
Resummoning stolen chakra is hard in this case, because there are nothing to summon anymore. Chakra of specific Beast was absorbed and turned into something else, something alien to CM. However, CM is still pretty strong reality bending tool so...

First, that would make the new Ten Tails stronger than canon.
Also possibility. However, Ten Tailed is nothing more than instrument - intermediate. This all so problematic to think about.
 
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However, Ten Tailed is nothing more than instrument - intermediate.
The Chakra Tree we first see is a dried out husk. A plant that hasn't been watered. Contrast this appearance with the one we see in the flashback, and I could see something much more hale and vibrant. The only thing that kept it from being higher up in point value is the lack of reality wrapping. It can devastate and warp the landscape, but that's not the same as editing the world like an SCP or connection to reality like the Phoenix Force in Marvel.
 
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