Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Birb
Like honestly tempted to vote Meso actually because of the angles they're pushing this early and how narrow the perspective they're pushing through seems to be. Throw the Vanilla "claim" that they turned around on it sounds like they could have turned it into a serious claim IF they wanted to but it obviously went sour quick. Ahhh
Nanimani
Probably listening to music
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Right, for some reason, quotes and spoilers don't always mix for me. The little click to expand doesn't happen. So uh. Sorry for the wall, but I know I wouldn't like to be unable to read this. Gonna try to spoil sections that don't have long quotes, but.
So this post is almost exactly 24 hours after day start. Rather early.
Then Rosen comes in to defend the person he's already said he townreads based on the questions responses you yourself called suspicious earlier.
Rosen keeps poking this, while 1K keeps saying that they have a bias against them due to how they typically play, not a noteworthy read. Meanwhile, Rosen keeps treating it as a noteworthy read, up and including voting them when they don't provide reasons from this game as to why that have that bias.
Then BB comes in, asking him for his reads again despite nothing having changed. The results are entirely predictable.
MEANWHILE
Seriously. This fucking quote.
That was sarcasm.
Also calls 1K actually saying what little she has when asked suspicious and shading again. It's kind of getting old at this point.
Though it seems I've misremembered, as they go back to 1K a bit after this before starting the Daw push in earnest. Thought this was just the end of it.
Rosen keeps doing the Rosen thing while BB actually changes her reasons here. Reason from her here's definitely better than it was before.
Anyways, some more townreading of Rosen, backing off of 1K firmly (Yeah, I was just wrong about her not posting and disengaging with words), and a couple posts about Byzantine being good and Daw being not-that. For reference, this is the post she didn't see a newbie scum making.
Anyways, after that it settles down. Rosen keeps arguing with 1K, but it's more on his methods and today's questions, which doesn't really read AI to me. BB stays out of that unless I missed something.
Anyways, and then Daw responds and fuck these walls of posts I have no idea how I'd make that argument readable. Let's at least call this post here.
So this post is almost exactly 24 hours after day start. Rather early.
Then Rosen comes in to defend the person he's already said he townreads based on the questions responses you yourself called suspicious earlier.
So she says she townreads Rosen again, then is rather confused at 1K's lack of townreading them, then asks for reads again, after the literal things she's responding to here being "I don't have actual reads yet." Reminder that this is after 27 hours of the game. We're not even halfway done with D1.
This post specifically is something she mentioned later as thoughts and impressions are totally different from reads, but I only accept that in a technical sense. If it affects the game, it's a read of some sort, and there's no reason to seek out information not affecting the game.
MEANWHILE
Rosen comes back, notably more aggressive than the person he's defending if you'd notice
Seriously. This fucking quote.
You're asking the same question, getting the same answer with stress that it's not an actual read and shouldn't be followed, but it's the best answer she can give you, and you're treating it like it's 1K that's making the big push here. This is just bad.
Oh but it's fine because after saying that, it's not what's happening now. It's just that what's happening now is on this path and is probably going to devolve into it.
That was sarcasm.
So after 1K calls him out on this, he just kinda doubles down on it.
Also calls 1K actually saying what little she has when asked suspicious and shading again. It's kind of getting old at this point.
Now, then. BB pivots here. Does not want to address this whole argument, let's leave it at that. She's disengaged without bothering to disengage.
Aaaand Rosen follows right onto Daw.
Though it seems I've misremembered, as they go back to 1K a bit after this before starting the Daw push in earnest. Thought this was just the end of it.
Then 1K comes back in, it's been a good 9 hours I think since the argument started, and comes up with a few itsy reads. Notably, there's a slight nudge towards Daw and again arguing the reads got from Rosen's questions were bad.
Oof, not all of this is relevant but I'm not sure what to cut.
Anyways, some more townreading of Rosen, backing off of 1K firmly (Yeah, I was just wrong about her not posting and disengaging with words), and a couple posts about Byzantine being good and Daw being not-that. For reference, this is the post she didn't see a newbie scum making.
Okay, but why? Why would a newbie scum not make this, but a newbie town would? Feels more like buddying than an actual good argument.
And final argument from BB.
Anyways, after that it settles down. Rosen keeps arguing with 1K, but it's more on his methods and today's questions, which doesn't really read AI to me. BB stays out of that unless I missed something.
This quote's interesting. Basically the one thing BB says about Rosen that isn't visibly townreading him. But in the end, it's just asking someone who's scumreading Rosen who, as far as I can tell, never responds to this question who they'd think was scum with Rosen. Feels like easy setup to a "Hm, but I don't think that's likely because X or Y".
Anyways, and then Daw responds and fuck these walls of posts I have no idea how I'd make that argument readable. Let's at least call this post here.
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Birb
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Okay, I don't have time to go through everything, but this is my anti-Rosen reasoning.
It started off how they decided to go after LostDeviljho for the below post.
They go after one person for doing something whilst giving someone else a free pass for the exact same thing.
I also dislike how Rosen when after 1K for using knowledge of past games and being extra wary of being pocketed by town leader who is secretly scum after being pocketed by town leader who was secretly scum in the last game and generally getting pocketed by town leaders.
Another thing which stood out to me was this:
Furthermore, this is terrible justification for their actions. Just because you are usually anti-town doesn't mean it is okay for you to be anti-town.
While I didn't notice it straight away, I strongly dislike how Rosen has decided to blame the anti-town disruption that they caused with their pointless and useless aggression. "Oh, I'm not anti-town, everyone else is anti-town." That is an absolutely terrible stance for Rosen to take as town as they are refusing to acknowledge that their actions causing chaos and disruptive might be their fault and instead blaming everyone else for it causing chaos and disruption.
More justification of their anti-town behaviour by trying to pretend it has generated useful information when all it has done is cause disruptive chaos.
This is about all I got time to find and it happened before I subbed in. There was other stuff after I subbed in, but I haven't got time in RL to go through all of that before the day ends.
In summary, nothing really sticks out as scum to me, but taken together combined with my own bad feelings about it, I would be calling it scum if not for that the fact Rosen has played like this before. That said, I will firmly stand by the fact that Rosen has been anti-town in their actions and in general, they have outshined anything else to suspicious to me today. So while I don't think that Rosen is necessarily scum, but their behaviour has certainly not been that of town.
So regardless of their alignment, I don't see how keeping Rosen around is useful to town. The fact that they might be town doesn't outweigh their scummy behaviour and causing chaos for town.
I'm going to push for a Rosen lynch because I don't see how letting them continue anti-town behaviour is beneficial for town. They may or may not be scum, but they are unrepentantly acting like it.
It started off how they decided to go after LostDeviljho for the below post.
Especially when this equally bad response got ignored by Rosen.
1. I primarily argue with myself, so Independent I guess.
2. Yes.
3. Humans for Humans are da best. Empire Pride.
They go after one person for doing something whilst giving someone else a free pass for the exact same thing.
I also dislike how Rosen when after 1K for using knowledge of past games and being extra wary of being pocketed by town leader who is secretly scum after being pocketed by town leader who was secretly scum in the last game and generally getting pocketed by town leaders.
Another thing which stood out to me was this:
This is not helpful especially since Rosen never followed up on it as far as I can tell so it was just pointless disruptive and anti-town.
Furthermore, this is terrible justification for their actions. Just because you are usually anti-town doesn't mean it is okay for you to be anti-town.
While I didn't notice it straight away, I strongly dislike how Rosen has decided to blame the anti-town disruption that they caused with their pointless and useless aggression. "Oh, I'm not anti-town, everyone else is anti-town." That is an absolutely terrible stance for Rosen to take as town as they are refusing to acknowledge that their actions causing chaos and disruptive might be their fault and instead blaming everyone else for it causing chaos and disruption.
More justification of their anti-town behaviour by trying to pretend it has generated useful information when all it has done is cause disruptive chaos.
This is about all I got time to find and it happened before I subbed in. There was other stuff after I subbed in, but I haven't got time in RL to go through all of that before the day ends.
In summary, nothing really sticks out as scum to me, but taken together combined with my own bad feelings about it, I would be calling it scum if not for that the fact Rosen has played like this before. That said, I will firmly stand by the fact that Rosen has been anti-town in their actions and in general, they have outshined anything else to suspicious to me today. So while I don't think that Rosen is necessarily scum, but their behaviour has certainly not been that of town.
So regardless of their alignment, I don't see how keeping Rosen around is useful to town. The fact that they might be town doesn't outweigh their scummy behaviour and causing chaos for town.
I'm going to push for a Rosen lynch because I don't see how letting them continue anti-town behaviour is beneficial for town. They may or may not be scum, but they are unrepentantly acting like it.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I may or may not be active again before the day ends, but I'm sticking to my Rosen lynch because as I said above, I don't see how letting their scummy behaviour continue is beneficial to town and if we are going to lynch someone day one, I feel that Rosen is a good vote because getting rid of the chaos and disruption that they cause will benefit town regardless of their mechanical alignment.
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Birb
Ahh...Nani is gone and I can see that angle making sense.
Things I'm noting:
Byz: Seems flustered, has been on spotlight since 1st hour of game...however honestly don't think they have actually done anything scummy.
IH: Called Byz on a pre-game scum slip however most of their posts I like and sound good. Town lean
BB/Nictis: Seemed floaty and a bit of everywhere, is now focused on rosen despite bb seeming linked. In addition BB's angles reminded me of DBZ mafia but I don't know how to put it into words.
Meso: The big thing for me against meso is both the VT "claim" that he dismissed himself, and that he's pushing Byz based on another players voting action...it's just...odd and off. If you think they're scum because BB pulled off him real fast, then you should be focusing the one who pulled off him. Byz could be Town and BB could be scum and by focusing on Byz you've completely let bb slide by that. If both are scum BB/Nictis's flip is more beneficial as it clears up the air as to was that scum moving away from a vote or is it town moving away, if scum, it coiuld mean a lot more, if it's town though it means the move away is completely NAI. Your using the reasonings that should be used for a BB lynch, to instead lynch Byz. That rings wrong with me the most.
I desperately want to go with my read on Meso here but at the same time I'm certain a tie is bad for town, at this time I'm going to put this down, however I would like to shift onto Meso.
[X] Lynch Nictis
This lynch both clears up a lot and sets a bunch of analysis to digest from people, especially if we're invest low or if say cop gets shot N1.
@Nictis courtesy ping as I've moved you into lynch spot.
Things I'm noting:
Byz: Seems flustered, has been on spotlight since 1st hour of game...however honestly don't think they have actually done anything scummy.
IH: Called Byz on a pre-game scum slip however most of their posts I like and sound good. Town lean
BB/Nictis: Seemed floaty and a bit of everywhere, is now focused on rosen despite bb seeming linked. In addition BB's angles reminded me of DBZ mafia but I don't know how to put it into words.
Meso: The big thing for me against meso is both the VT "claim" that he dismissed himself, and that he's pushing Byz based on another players voting action...it's just...odd and off. If you think they're scum because BB pulled off him real fast, then you should be focusing the one who pulled off him. Byz could be Town and BB could be scum and by focusing on Byz you've completely let bb slide by that. If both are scum BB/Nictis's flip is more beneficial as it clears up the air as to was that scum moving away from a vote or is it town moving away, if scum, it coiuld mean a lot more, if it's town though it means the move away is completely NAI. Your using the reasonings that should be used for a BB lynch, to instead lynch Byz. That rings wrong with me the most.
I desperately want to go with my read on Meso here but at the same time I'm certain a tie is bad for town, at this time I'm going to put this down, however I would like to shift onto Meso.
[X] Lynch Nictis
This lynch both clears up a lot and sets a bunch of analysis to digest from people, especially if we're invest low or if say cop gets shot N1.
@Nictis courtesy ping as I've moved you into lynch spot.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
I've kinda already talked too much, if anything. My opinion hasn't changed, though I will note I'm liable to change my vote at the last minute to save myself (as I know I'm town but don't know that about anyone else up) or prevent a tie with minimal reasoning since I start teaching 10 minutes before the day ends.
I'm still struggling with where to put my vote. BB/Nictis is still one of my few town reads, so I'm definitely not up for it.
So I have to decide where too put my vote. I lost confidence in my Nani suspicion with his last post so it comes down too the three people I wanted to reread yesterday.
... Guess what, I didn't
So I have to decide where too put my vote. I lost confidence in my Nani suspicion with his last post so it comes down too the three people I wanted to reread yesterday.
... Guess what, I didn't
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
I can't say I dislike a Nictis lynch, and I know I should be picking between the people with wagons so my vote isn't wasted, as that weakens town, but honestly voting him for that, when i don't have any actual reason, feels blegh. Put a gun to my head and I'd probably end up changing to voting Rosen rn but I'm kinda hoping people will switch to Nani or someone can make a case for one of the front runners I like.
CTRosen
Rock Man
- Location
- Northwest PA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
@Oshha you're reading SO much into that whole "everybody else is anti-Town" thing. I literally never said anything of the likes, so don't sit here and act like I did.
And since when is any conversation within a Day bad? EVERYTHING generates information, regardless of whether it ends up bearing fruit or not. You saying that what I'm doing is not useful completely ignores basically the entirety of Day 1 as if it never happened, and you'll just be going into Day 2 as if it were Day 1. You're making the same mistake as 1K earlier of just not trying to communicate with the person you're not on the same page with, but in your case you're doing so specifically to push your narrative to get me lynched. If you read the posts I've made you'll see that I have legitimate justification for why I didn't push no Comi's response to my questions, and that my justification for my over-aggressiveness is to generate as much Day 1 information as possible. What you are doing is simply ignorant to what I have posted thus far in the Day, and I refuse to stand for it.
The saddest thing is that I don't even see this as scummy behavior; I just see it as frankly horrid Town play. I would seriously suggest you look through again and not try to twist my posts into something that fits your narrative.
And since when is any conversation within a Day bad? EVERYTHING generates information, regardless of whether it ends up bearing fruit or not. You saying that what I'm doing is not useful completely ignores basically the entirety of Day 1 as if it never happened, and you'll just be going into Day 2 as if it were Day 1. You're making the same mistake as 1K earlier of just not trying to communicate with the person you're not on the same page with, but in your case you're doing so specifically to push your narrative to get me lynched. If you read the posts I've made you'll see that I have legitimate justification for why I didn't push no Comi's response to my questions, and that my justification for my over-aggressiveness is to generate as much Day 1 information as possible. What you are doing is simply ignorant to what I have posted thus far in the Day, and I refuse to stand for it.
The saddest thing is that I don't even see this as scummy behavior; I just see it as frankly horrid Town play. I would seriously suggest you look through again and not try to twist my posts into something that fits your narrative.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I'm sticking to my Rosen lynch. I don't see any reason to switch away from it except to save Nictis, who I have a slight town lean on. I am not happy with a Nictis lynch.
InterstellarHobo
Cosmic Vagrant
- Location
- No Fixed Planetary System
So my bad timeline last night was, if it isn't obvious, because I really wanted to go to sleep.
My reason for voting Nictis is the reasoning quoted above- I'm not sure it's the best lynch but it's one I'm happy with.
I'm waffling over where to vote atm- I don't think I'm voting -Rosen today, I'm prolly not voting -Meso unless someone brings up new arguments.
Anyone got good arguments on others?
My reason for voting Nictis is the reasoning quoted above- I'm not sure it's the best lynch but it's one I'm happy with.
I'm waffling over where to vote atm- I don't think I'm voting -Rosen today, I'm prolly not voting -Meso unless someone brings up new arguments.
Anyone got good arguments on others?
CTRosen
Rock Man
- Location
- Northwest PA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
That being said, I will be voting for self-preservation since I have a lot of things I'd like to tackle tonight.
[x] Lynch Nictis
I don't like this lynch but currently I would place my own endeavors at a higher priority than trying to save one of my Town reads. I believe it will help more moving forward to move in this direction.
[x] Lynch Nictis
I don't like this lynch but currently I would place my own endeavors at a higher priority than trying to save one of my Town reads. I believe it will help more moving forward to move in this direction.
InterstellarHobo
Cosmic Vagrant
- Location
- No Fixed Planetary System
Inserted tally
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Yes, you did.
You claim that you aren't causing chaos and the only reason there is chaos because of your actions because of everyone else making it that way.
It is bad when it generates useless information. I don't consider information for the sake of information to be good when it is possible to get bad information.
I don't particularly believe you are scum at this point when you have previously acted like this as town. But that is the only reason I don't have a hard scum read on you and if anyone else had acted like, I would be hard scum reading them for it. If I had a proper scum read on someone else, I would vote for them over you, but I don't and I find your behaviour to be scummy enough for a lynch, especially when I don't like any of the other potential lynchs.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
Yeah, that solidifies it. Really don't like rosen's play.
[X] Lynch -Rosen
[X] Lynch -Rosen
Nanimani
Probably listening to music
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Nictis asked me to go provide examples of behavior I was referring to. I did.
Also, damn it. I can't trust that this isn't a gambit with them both being scum, but I can't overlook the whole pushing Nictis over the edge with half an hour left in the day. Main base of suspicion on BB/Nictis, at least, is heavily based on the tie between them. If it's a bluff, I can't call it. Still don't want to D1 lynch Rosen again, and with time left and voting options as they are, that leaves me with precious few options here.
[X] Lynch Mesonoxian
If I've mathed right, this will put it at a threeway tie, so someone else has to break it. However, I don't feel like Nictis is worth it with what looks like a deciding vote coming from the one I'd pegged as his partner, and I want Rosen to at least be able to get to Day 2 at some point.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
To be clear, I don't think that Rosen is scum, but that is only because they have acted like this as town before. If it wasn't for that past record, I wouldn't seriously entertain the idea of them not being scum based on their behaviour in this game.
Meanwhile the other lynches are either newbies or people I got town reads on. Given I've got any other scum reads on anyone else, I'm going for Rosen over their scummy behaviour because while they may not be scum, they are certainly acting like it.
Meanwhile the other lynches are either newbies or people I got town reads on. Given I've got any other scum reads on anyone else, I'm going for Rosen over their scummy behaviour because while they may not be scum, they are certainly acting like it.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They