Stargate Canadian Safe Harbor (Stargate AU)
- Thread starter prince84
- Start date
- Sci-Fi Modern
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- Tags
- stargate open voting
- Location
- Seattle
Japan, England, Germany, Switzerland, Canada, Australia, France and the Neth
Mexico would be cool. Brazil, South Korea.
I'd like to get India and Egypt on board, also Norway, Sweden, Poland, Italy and Ukraine.
Mexico would be cool. Brazil, South Korea.
- Location
- Poland
I'm curious about why you think we should include Poland and Ukraine, they should still be coming out of communism right now.
- Location
- Seattle
It's 2020
France and the Netherlands aren't part of the coalition currently.
- Location
- Seattle
Thought we picked them up turn 21. Oh well.
Other possible future coalition nations. Indonesia, South Africa, Turkey, Spain and lastly China.
I don't trust the Chinese government, but i would rather have them working with us rather than with the Russians.
I don't trust the Chinese government, but i would rather have them working with us rather than with the Russians.
- Location
- Poland
Really? I don't remember any date being given or that the timeline got moved up. Wouldn't that make Jack and Lokison really old though? Jack served in SpecOps at the height of the Cold War IIRC
Quest start was within weeks after Season 1-2 finale/premier. After that it's a little vague. For a fairly long time each turn was one month, until we got the base up and running, after that was supposed to be quarterly. But again, OP was vague. That was somewhere around turn 13 thru 15 for the switch. So we've been going for about three and a half ~ish, years in continuity. Maybe four and (months) change.
Though I don't recollect any further timing shift, OP may have extended turn time to six months at some point. OP explicitly is vague as all get out about timing for the quest. So, unless someone can point to time shift changing after the basic base operations were established, I'm assuming we're currently running quarterly per turn.
Though I don't recollect any further timing shift, OP may have extended turn time to six months at some point. OP explicitly is vague as all get out about timing for the quest. So, unless someone can point to time shift changing after the basic base operations were established, I'm assuming we're currently running quarterly per turn.
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- Location
- Poland
So what would that make the current year? All I know about Season 1 of Stargate is that it happens in the late 90s
That's where things get the murkiest. When I say that the OP is beyond vague about timing in this quest. I don't just mean that they don't bother to clarify, even when asked, the timing of turns, or even the season. I mean that it's been asked, by several players, what year it is and the clearest response we got was a "*Shakes magic eight ball, reads response. Shrugs shoulders.* Outlook hazy, ask again later." (only slightly exaggerated)
We don't know what year this was slatted to happen in, all we do know is that the timeline doesn't follow cannon, and no clear inference as to the progression of events, or even the absence thereof. And just to be checky, there's not been any AP option to verify time and date. We just don't know. Best guess is that if Into the Lair of The Snake ... (ep nme?) at all followed cannon then somewhere around late summer/early fall of 95. Give or take a year. And so three to four years after that. Putting us at the latest around late 2000's/early 2001.
We don't know what year this was slatted to happen in, all we do know is that the timeline doesn't follow cannon, and no clear inference as to the progression of events, or even the absence thereof. And just to be checky, there's not been any AP option to verify time and date. We just don't know. Best guess is that if Into the Lair of The Snake ... (ep nme?) at all followed cannon then somewhere around late summer/early fall of 95. Give or take a year. And so three to four years after that. Putting us at the latest around late 2000's/early 2001.
All the current (as of the quest's time period) members of the European Union as well some promising Central/Eastern European nations (Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, the Baltics, etc) and the Nordics if they're not in the EU yet.
All of the modern British Dominions as well as the Commonwealth members who can be trusted.
India, Taiwan, South Korea, etc. Essentially all of the Asian democracies.
The more 'stable' and prosperous Latin American nations (Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, etc.)
Potentially some of the more developed African nations (South Africa, Botswana, etc.)
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dunno about Timeline anymore, thought it was similar to RL. (minus secret Gate stuff, obviously)
Would still strongly favor to ask qm if Hungary + Poland are like irl before we invite those two
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While TIC is still finding its way and deciding its structures I'd strongly prefer to keep it to liberal democracies only.
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- Location
- Seattle
I'm fairly sure the entire story was just just jumped forward in time 20 years
- Location
- Poland
Why though? I could get an argument like funding or not involving a government like the Apartheid from South Africa but I honestly can't see the logic behind keeping TIC to liberal democracies only. Not to mention it never was because Australia, Canada, Britain and Japan are all constitutional monarchies. The monarch may not have have lot of power but his words still carry weight.
A country can be a liberal democracy despite being a
constitutional monarchy.
It is more them being (to put it into USAmerican terms) the redstates of Europe. Or in other words: Lack of shared values.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/24/revolt-against-liberalism-eastern-europe-poland-hungary-nativist-politics said:
By what metric did you determine that? Because Prince84 has gone above, and beyond to obfuscate any semblance of a timeline. And near as I can tell, hasn't even used any era specific technology, or cultural references. So, please... point out what "clue" gave you such insight to conclude this concept?
No seriously, I'm curious 'cause I've seen nothing.
I do agree with you that Hungary isn't really a liberal democracy, but the Wikipedia article does include Indonesia as a liberal democracy, and Hungary is definitely more democratic and human rights-compliant that Indonesia. I don't think you can say that Poland isn't a liberal democracy, seeing that the ruling party, despite its political positions, has done much less to erode democracy than in Hungary and hasn't been in power for as long.
If this quest is taking place within the canon timeframe of Stargate, then these points are moot anyways because both of these countries were definitely liberal democracies at the time.
The International Coalition Information
prince84
In central Dogma flirting with Lilith.
- Location
- The Madness Place
Name:
The International Coalition
Founding members:
Japan, England, Germany, Switzerland, Canada, Australia, France and the Netherlands
Members:
Known/Explored Planets and Uses:
Pandora: Garden World and Safe Haven scientific colony.
Current Goals:
-Defensive fleet for Sol System
-Not being enslaved by body-snatching alien snake-worms with god complexes.
Current Benefits:
-4 Options to outsource research projects that do not require Naquahdah.
-Coalition handles upkeep costs outside your budget.
-Recruitment from member nations.
The International Coalition
Founding members:
Japan, England, Germany, Switzerland, Canada, Australia, France and the Netherlands
Members:
Known/Explored Planets and Uses:
Pandora: Garden World and Safe Haven scientific colony.
Current Goals:
-Defensive fleet for Sol System
-Not being enslaved by body-snatching alien snake-worms with god complexes.
Current Benefits:
-4 Options to outsource research projects that do not require Naquahdah.
-Coalition handles upkeep costs outside your budget.
-Recruitment from member nations.
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- Location
- Seattle
Thought they slipped in as a one-liner turn 21
Quest doesn't use OTL timeframes.
This part of Turn 9 references the resources kerfuffle in the Ukraine war. So Turn 9 is after February 2022.
If we take Hungary not really being a liberal democracy and ignoring the Indonesia issue, the issues with Poland has its own wikipedia article (so I don't have to link articles for the individual issues):
Polish constitutional crisis - Wikipedia
"Not a liberal democracy" may be too harsh, but that is still enough for me to be dubious about them joining TIC until TIC is established enough to deal with members not sharing values.
<edit> dunno about Timeline anymore, thought it was similar to RL. (minus secret Gate stuff, obviously)
Would still strongly favor to ask qm if Hungary + Poland are like irl before we invite those two </edit>
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When Does the quest take place?
prince84
In central Dogma flirting with Lilith.
- Location
- The Madness Place
When Does the quest take place?
Due to rampant confusion, I am clarifying the basic starting timeline.
The information leak took place in the late 1990s or early 2000s and the first few turns were of undetermined length due to various panic factors ranging from 1 to 5 months.
The current turns are roughly 1 month long and events between turns may or may not add time to the length of a turn or shorten the next turn due to ???,
Due to rampant confusion, I am clarifying the basic starting timeline.
The information leak took place in the late 1990s or early 2000s and the first few turns were of undetermined length due to various panic factors ranging from 1 to 5 months.
The current turns are roughly 1 month long and events between turns may or may not add time to the length of a turn or shorten the next turn due to ???,
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Can you just give some bloody dates? Because this hasn't made me any less confused.