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Eibon_Alain said:
Your logic bores me magic man, give me drama!
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Maybe BHG will have some timeskips like Worm or Ward. Then have John come back to Brockton around canon start (when he'd be 16) and possibly start a relationship with someone older (18-19) then?

If not then I doubt there would be a proper relationship as John is currently as a character, he's partly mentally late-20's early 30's with all the hormones of a teenager and some of the mental state from being treated as a kid for so long, that's an awkward place to be in for a romance.
 
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PrinceOfDoom said:
You can't blame Vicky because with everything she ended up doing that was wrong, the fault lies with her parent. The one who encouraged her, trained her, and gave her free reign.
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Have you actually met a teenager? I know this is a thing in Western culture, and certainly a parent has some responsibility, but the idea that teenagers are innocent angels and everything they do wrong must be the parents' fault needs to go die in a fire.

There is a limited amount of control a parent has over their child, and while they CAN take more control, doing so comes with other dangers, and they can't control what they don't know about. Was she too permissive with Vicky and too controlling with Amy? Or vice versa? Who knows?

For example, Vicky deciding to have Amy cover up her attacks on E88 that go too far? That's on her. She knew Carol would disapprove. She deliberately concealed it from Carol, and she deliberately made her sister complicit in covering it up. You can debate whether or not the guys she went after had it coming, but shockingly she did stuff she knew her mom disapproved of, as teenagers do.

This is why having another parent involved is nice if you can, because when you're trying to keep your house and put food on the table for the kids, it's kind of hard to keep an eye on what the kids are doing too. Another parent involved would have been nice. Mark can't control his depression, but it's a reality that you're piling a lot on a defacto single working mom who made a better effort than a LOT of single working moms. Or dads.

Let's be real, Danny Hebert makes Carol Dallon look like 'Parent Of The Year' when it comes down to it. And he's still better than most in Worm.
 
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drake_azathoth said:
For real, that's total fanon. Mark's depression, Vicky's power fucking with people and her general recklessness, Amy's weird temptations and code and martyr complex, it does not make for a healthy family. Super Mom might manage all that AND putting food on the table AND handling legal shit for her team, but Carol is as flawed as the rest of the family.

People blame her for her family's craziness like she drove Mark to depression or forced a martyr complex on Amy or made Vicky a brat, but there's no real indication in canon that's true. You could blame Vicky as easily as Carol for all that, in fanon some do.

She's part of the reason for sure, and handled Amy badly, but far from the whole reason her family's messed up.
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Also, remember folks, Carol cheated on her husband with her sister husband, and that was even before Mark had depression.
 
I dont think Dean will actually know this happened, he can only see merlin's emotions on john, right? That is part of why he hated him, because john looks like a robot to him.

Vicky though, might pick up on it, and that would just be the funniest thing ever.
 
PrinceOfDoom said:
Calling it 'fanon' and dismissing it out of hand because its someone's opinion of a badly written, toxic household in a story that had so many issues it has black holes for plotholes.

In the end, Carol Dallon is a broken doll that never got better. And everything about the actions of canon agrees with that.
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I don't think anyone was arguing that she's not part of the problem. Just that she is not solely to blame for them. All of the Dallon family's problems are more complicated than a simple "Carol did it".
 
Deans probably cracking up about this. I bet he will tell Amy and Vicky because it is pretty funny after all. If he can detect it.

Given Merlin has a soul, is that why Dean thinks John is a psychopath? Cuz Merlin is all cool calm and collected, and hides John's mind through his protections?

Good thing Emma isnt here, she'd be distraught! She aint no dubiously stable Dommy Mommy like Carol Dallon is.
 
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Of course Dean hate him even more now, because even if he refuse (rightly so) to date teenagers, if he is into Carol physicaly, that would mean he would be into Vicky when shes older.
 
Good chapter as always, it's funny to see how hypocritical Vicky is right now. She does all this meddling to try and force Dean and the MC to get along yet is catty and passive-aggressive towards Emma without cause. I'd be rather irritated with her if I were the MC at this point.
 
writer.101 said:
Good chapter as always, it's funny to see how hypocritical Vicky is right now. She does all this meddling to try and force Dean and the MC to get along yet is catty and passive-aggressive towards Emma without cause. I'd be rather irritated with her if I were the MC at this point.
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Given Emma in the alley in canon was trigger event worthy, and her traumatized insanity would cause an actual trigger (Taylor's), he could even say with 100% honesty that helping Emma prevented a trigger event, and he wants to make sure she is OK. Any Parahuman who isnt jack slash would understand. Sophia has been exposed to him knowing more than he should should about parahumans to back him up. I feel like Victoria should have what you said pointed out to her too.

Personally I like how the author portrays the MC as simultaneously desperate for social connection, and also repulsed and irritated by the teenage bullshit his peer group is swamped with, and being too young to hang out with the people who he wants to socialize with. A reasonable outcome of SI mental status. No wonder he is dysfunctional.
 
SilverBlade said:
I feel for this guy, this is why I hate other people, especially, social teenager girls. Fucking lying to people and playing games to "make them hang out". Like I'm fine by myself why you pushy.
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(You might already know this, but not everyone does.) Generally, because extroverts, especially immature ones, have trouble comprehending the idea that introverts exist. 'People who genuinely do find being social to be stressful, exhausting, and annoying' is probably a really bizarre concept to them, and it doesn't help that fiction often fails to depict introverts all that accurately, so the extroverts are even less likely to learn what they're doing wrong.
 
Prince Charon said:
(You might already know this, but not everyone does.) Generally, because extroverts, especially immature ones, have trouble comprehending the idea that introverts exist. 'People who genuinely do find being social to be stressful, exhausting, and annoying' is probably a really bizarre concept to them, and it doesn't help that fiction often fails to depict introverts all that accurately, so the extroverts are even less likely to learn what they're doing wrong.
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Very true. Alot of the time, extroverts automatically scan introverted behaviour as depression or a warning that something is severely wrong.

It would be funny if it wasn't so aggravating when your the target of this kind of 'help'
 
Bowlerhat Guy said:
Very true. Alot of the time, extroverts automatically scan introverted behaviour as depression or a warning that something is severely wrong.

It would be funny if it wasn't so aggravating when your the target of this kind of 'help'
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THIS. it doesn't help that I have a resting sad face instead of a resting bitch face... so when I'm super relaxed and just vibing certain people think I'm sad or whatever.

My mom's a major extrovert (the opposite of me), so for a while during my teenage years she thought I was suicidal and kept on getting me all those self-help books on depression and how to combat it, etc. I mean, it was nice that she was worried but most of the time I just wanted to roll my eyes SO hard.

and then she's like, "But you always look SO sad!" I had to drill it into her head really hard several times that this is literally just my resting face, I'm not depressed or some junk. It didn't help that I was majorly goth at the time too... which she mistook to be emo or some other subculture that she wasn't very familar with.

So many dumb fights over stupid shit like that just because mom and daughter were polar opposites. *sighs*
 
OH MY GOD. AMAZING. The best part is that Dean is WITNESS to this emotional trainwreck.

Crazael said:
Well, at least now he knows that John isn't interested in stealing his girlfriend...
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YET. Another decade though...

I'm really curious where author will take this. Vicky will ABSOLUTELY catch on and I'm dying to know how she'll react.

Our boy should have a talk with Vicky at some point though. Lying to him, while perhaps well-intentioned, was not cool.

It's so awesome to have so many new chapters so quickly. Thanks, author :)
 
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He's got a shot with Carol. Given that she's slept around on her husband before and may have since for all we know. Given she slept with Manpower, maybe she's a size queen.
 
drake_azathoth said:
For real, that's total fanon. Mark's depression, Vicky's power fucking with people and her general recklessness, Amy's weird temptations and code and martyr complex, it does not make for a healthy family. Super Mom might manage all that AND putting food on the table AND handling legal shit for her team, but Carol is as flawed as the rest of the family.

People blame her for her family's craziness like she drove Mark to depression or forced a martyr complex on Amy or made Vicky a brat, but there's no real indication in canon that's true. You could blame Vicky as easily as Carol for all that, in fanon some do.
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Sarah also bears some responsibility IMO, since she pushed for Carol to take Amy despite Carol saying that it was a bad idea and that she wouldn't be able to handle it.
Wallawallaman said:
Good thing Emma isnt here, she'd be distraught! She aint no dubiously stable Dommy Mommy like Carol Dallon is.
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She might also worry about the SI being into her mom, since Zoe Barnes in this fic is stated to be fairly attractive:
Bowlerhat Guy said:
When the door opened it was to reveal a woman who I'm not ashamed to admit, I had to briefly force myself not to stare at. She looked alot like Emma - red hair and all that - only if she was in her mid forties, with laugh lines and a few other telltale signs of age that did nothing to detract from how attractive she was.
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Bowlerhat Guy said:
I definitely feel the need to note this isn't a weird smutty fic, so the fact that he's 14 makes anything with carol 100% impossible, and that I have no intention of going that direction here.

But try telling that to a teenagers hormones. 'Hot for Teacher' is a classic for a reason.
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I mean, I agree with you, but the comment that was responding to was very much talking like there was gonna be some explicit content between the two of them.
 
Would our boy John find Miss Militia hot? I would, maybe some Mouse Protector, Zoe Barnes, Sarah Pelham, Sundancer? (shes like 17 or older or something.) Fenja, Menja, Maybe Kayden? Alexandria, Contessa, Canary, Citrine, Cherish, Glaistig Uaine, Narwhal. So many hot girls to choose from.
 
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