Frankly, the Ones may be old but they are vastly overhyped in terms of power as Xendor himself noted. There is every indication their belief that they represent the Dark and Light side is a delusion born of their merger with Killik hives, which cannot distinguish fact from fiction. Abeloth itself had powers born of biology as much as the Force and Luke and Darth Krayt defeated it handily. Palpatine is likely at least as dangerous in many ways.
Star Wars: The Chosen One (An Anakin Skywalker Quest)
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Iandude0
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No, they're not. There are multiple different sects that call themselves Jedi. The Coruscanti are simply the only ones with enough hubris to claim the name by itself as their own.
That doesn't suddenly mean we'd be ineligible, but since you're so insistent, I'll ask the GM.
@Arthellion does going to Palawa make the becoming a Jedi knight ambition obsolete or fail it? Could we become a knight through other ways than the Coruscanti?
Some explicitly don't mind adults, and are willing to accept them.
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I can see where you're coming from with this. Though we will not be joining the order it's still possible to be knighted by the force. At least I think that completes the ambition. Also just like joining the Jedi is about knowledge so is Teras Kais, just with a darker spin to it.
Not really just a matter of retreading canon, but instead taking a different path to reach the same goal. Also, we would be saying hello to 25k experience and 5 chosen points. Sure its less exp, but we will be getting a maxed out skill and training in dark side powers to go with our light holocron. Thats not even mentioning all this.
-Teräs Kasi mastery guaranteed
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-Dark Jedi Training once you've mastered Teräs Kasi
-access unfiltered to blue and red holocron
-more assassin style training
-mystic visions
-potential to take leadership of Palawa yourself
-access to old Sith histories and language
- first two years will be very "monk deprivation" but some nifty perk gains
-midichlorian manipulation training
-extend life...though that's true for Jedi eventually as well
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...No? Zan herself was a Jedi at one point, and if you have the potential and the wish to follow the path to become a Jedi Knight then the Force will provide. That's... that's just canon, as we've gone over. We can master Teräs Käsi in 5 years if we focus on it. That means we'll have 5 years before AotC to find another master or teacher.
Going with Qui-Gon now isn't the only path to Knighthood, it's just the only path to Knighthood within the Coruscanti Order. Which is admittedly the largest and most developed Order, but it is far from the only one. It's not even the best at determining who's ready to be knighted. They allow politics and expediency to cloud their judgement. Just look at how they treated Anakin and Ahsoka's Trials in canon.
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Arden is definitely going to be pushing Anakin to go Dark. If he does, its going to be difficult getting into a Jedi Order, and I mean even apart from the Coruscanti ones. And we can kiss that ambition good bye.
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We have no confirmation from the GM that picking this option fails the ambition. We can still try and get the balance of the force perk because we will still be permitted to learn from the Jedi Holocron after the initial training, adopting their ideas as our own and incorporating them as we go through training.
When Anakin made that goal he wanted to be a specific jedi knight, one of the Jedi Order. Just because other people call themself that doesn't make becoming a jedi knight of a different order the same ambition.
Little League baseball teams have the same name as professional ones, but kids who have the ambition of being a player on the Yankees aren't fulfilling that ambition by playing on a team named the Yankees.
Some force sects don't mind adults but probably would mind a dark force user.
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Teros Kasi isn't even the point anymore, it's a nice side bonus. She is a resource beyond value. A direct link to the heritage of the Force, to Typhon and the origin of all Jedi and Sith. Of the Force itself. We are the Chosen One. What could be more valuable?
Also very true. Other Jedi exist. They also can induct Knights, and are generally more interesting anyway.
See above, there are other legitiment Jedi, as much as the Coruscanti dislike that fact.
Yes. Especially if he comes bearing the wisdom of their forbearers. Wisdom now nearly lost to the Galaxy.
Pushed doesn't mean we'll be stuck. And honestly, the ambition is vague enough that it doesn't have to mean MODERN Jedi. If we become a Jedi of the Ancient Code? Well that's still a Jedi. More a Jedi even. The ambition is vague, I think meaningfully so. @Arthellion Is the ambition general enoguh Anakin could fulfill it by becoming a variety of Jedi other than the Coruscanti sort?
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Ambitions/goals and opinions can change without being failed, you know? That's healthy human behavior to new information, in fact.
They can change but then we are completing a different ambition.
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...this is incredibly disingenuous. The other Jedi factions have every bit as much right to call themselves Jedi and their members Jedi Knights as the Coruscanti order does. They all trace their heritage to the same points, and teach the same general lessons. The difference is in their level of dogmatic rigidity, and orthodoxy. Their skills and power are roughly same. The difference is American League vs National League, not Professional vs Little League.
When Anakin got the ambition to become a Jedi Knight, he didn't know anything about the differences between Orders, just that he wanted to be a Jedi and a Hero. He can do both of those things, he can be just as great a Jedi Knight in other Orders as he could in the Coruscant Order.
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Prove that, rather than just positing that it is so.
If you can give me a GM post that say such, I will back down.
Why do you assume I would ever want Anakin to join a Jedi order?
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One is a official government approved organization. But would either of those accept Anakin when he is already a Dark force user?
As QM isn't here right now I can't ask him, but can you prove that Ambitions which are a quest mechanic can be changed without failing what it originally was?
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Thats incredibly disingenious, were not a dark sider, we are the chosen one so being able to use both sides is kind of the point of our lvl 10 perk we'll eventually get.
And the Ambition says to become a Jedi Knight, Not a Knight of the Coruscanti order
We know we are the chosen one, do other jedi who we would be trying to get taught by know? No they don't all they know is we are dark side user trying to learn their skills.
Why would they think we are at all different then a normal darksider?
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The Green Jedi are an official Order, they just stay in the Corellian System and are affiliated with the Corellian government because of their history. The Altisian Jedi were *founded* by a Coruscanti Jedi Master, who felt that the Order's strictures were too stringent. He's trained hundreds of students in the last few in story decades and not one of them have Fallen. The Outer Rim has probably seen more of them than they have of Coruscanti, despite there being orders of magnitude more of the latter. Finally, the Coruscant Order's connection to the government is a bad thing. It clouds their connection to the Force, and means that they bow to political expediency more than they should. That's also canon, as you can see with their treatment of Ahsoka's trial.
Just because Anakin is being trained by a Dark Jedi doesn't mean he's going to become a Dark Jedi. Even if he does, it doesn't mean he's going to immediately become Cackles von BabyEater. The Coruscant Order have become so calcified that they don't think returning from the Dark is possible, but it explicitly is. If we the players want Anakin not to Fall, we'll have the ability to influence and make that choice.
As to whether the non-Coruscanti Orders would accept a dark sider? Probably not without reservation no. They'd try and redeem him though if he wasn't a sociopathic monster. The main reason that Dark Siders get the snicker snack treatment is because they're also HOMICIDAL SOCIOPATHS. If Anakin honestly wants to come back into Balance and turn from the Dark? Most Jedi would try and help him, even the Coruscanti. Now, the Coruscanti wouldn't necessarily train him afterwards, but then again, maybe they would. Jedi Shadows deal with crazy stuff. Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, and Master Tholme all had issues with the Dark Side and were allowed back into the Order.
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[X] [Story] Go with Qui-Gon and join the Jedi.
[X] [Story] Go with Qui-Gon and join the Jedi.
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As far as govt being a bad thing, you are correct but just because it is bad doesn't mean it isn't what he wanted. I'm not going to argue the point of Jedi order vs other order until we get word of QM because it is pointless.
If we don't become a dark jedi then the reason a lot of people are choosing Palawa is pointless. The thing people seemed to want was midichlorian manipulation which would probably be a very advanced skill for dark siders. So if we don't become dark jedi then we aren't even getting the benefits of going there.
All the dark siders you mentioned were already jedi before they fell though so that definitely effects them being let back in. We aren't so I find it much less likely that the jedi would teach.
Ghostdevil
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Dude were the Chosen One, we have perk that lets us use BOTH sides without repercussions, we merely have to get it.
According to wiki it is a form of sith alchemy
That doesn't make a difference we will still be a dark jedi. Just because we can be both doesn't mean we arent a dark jedi, rather it means we are a dark and light jedi.
Ghostdevil
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Thats our choice though? She can Influence us at most, but the Players have the choice to fall, which is doubtful at best.
If we don't become a darksider then why are we going to Palawa?