Star Wars: The Chosen One (An Anakin Skywalker Quest)

....Come on man. Your argument against finding out what happened to Owen is that "Anakin needs to look inwards". What are you even trying to say? Fact is that Anakin is worried about Owen. That can't be denied. Your saying that right now Anakin is so self centered that he can't think beyond himself. What are we gonna do, ignore Owen? Maybe call him up in a year and say "sorry for getting in touch with you so late, I had to work through my own issues and feelings (not like Owen is having a difficult time right now too, huh?)".

And "leaning on children". Anakin is a child too. He needs to find out what happened to the last of his family for his own peace of mind if nothing else. Otherwise it will always be on his mind in the coming months.
Some people are more introverted. It is not a bad thing, just different. Not all trauma situations call for reaching out. Sure Anakin is worried about Owen, but he probably has conflicting feelings about saving/sparing his parent's killer. It isn't a stretch that Owen knows the Jedi are not big on personnel phone calls. If Anakin calls, he will feel guilty about his actions. He can't talk about that guilt or his feelings since it would be even more upsetting, specifically with Owen. What happens if Owen blames Anakin for leaving and letting this happen? Anakin can't talk about how he left the Jedi and went to hunt the killer of Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon and then spared that killer who was the same being that killed their parents. I don't think I could write any kind of conversation that goes well, Owen would be an emotional wreck and lashing out, which is not a good thing for Anakin.

We also might not be able to reach Owen or he could be in trouble. This would only make Anakin worry more. I see a lot of risks for only the small gain of peace of mind. While it is OOC knowledge, we are going to Tatooine and I am sure Dooku will help us find Owen. We aren't going to be waiting a year. Also a face to face conversation is better to have for this type of thing rather than over the phone/holo if possible. The ~two week~ delay isn't that large. That is why I would have Anakin hug his bunny instead of risking more emotional trauma.

That is why Plan Stability is the best option. Relax and focus on the moment instead of getting swept up with knee jerk reactions. Focus on mental healing that is always nice, hugging a bunny.

Help?
[X] [Help] The Broken R2D2 Astromech Droid. You could rebuild him. (Gain R2D2)

Level Up Vote by plan
[X] [Level UP] Plan Stability
-[X] Talk with Dooku about what has happened.
-[X] Combat Prodigy (2 Points): Upon unlocked a Saber style, you immediate gain level one.
-[X] Force Prodigy (2 Points):Upon unlocking a Force ability, you immediately gain level one.
-[X] Skilled Speaker: +6 Charisma
-[X] Play with T'da.

Hug the bunny :)
 
[X] [Help] The Broken R2D2 Astromech Droid. You could rebuild him. (Gain R2D2)

[] [Level up] Plan Mind and Body
-[] Adept Philosopher: +5 Wisdom
-[] Adept Warrior: +5 Constitution
-[] Talk with Dooku about what has happened.
-[] Use the comm on Dooku's ship to call Beru's family.
-[] Combat Prodigy (2 Points): Upon unlocked a Saber style, you immediate gain level one.
-[] Force Prodigy (2 Points):Upon unlocking a Force ability, you immediately gain level one.

Anakin gets a droid as therapy and something familiar to do that evokes good memories of his time with his family, and gets a boost towards the wisdom checks we seem to get a lot and a much needed bump to survivability.

He gets to talk to his emotional pillar in Dooku, and try to find out any news about his brother that may exist.

Also he is a prodigy and anything he learns from now on will reflect that. #ChosenOne
 
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So! I'm good for going Dark, so long as we speak to Dooku, who will likely even encourage it. He's seen in his vision that we can overcome the temptation of both Light and Dark, and he'll want to help us along. Also, DS means more reason to keep Maul . . . or is it less given Anakin is less likely to spare him. If he sees benefits then he may consider the ends justify the means, what with DS specializing in a self serving attitude.
 
Changed my mind

[X] [Level up] Force jumps are cool
-[X] Use the comm on Dooku's ship to call Beru's family.
-[X] Practice Neutral Alter
-[X] Play with T'da
-[X] Force Prodigy
-[X] Talk with Dooku about what has happened
-[X] Adept Philosopher: +5 Wisdom

Neutral Alter is a road to

Level 2: + 2 Strength, May Jump Three Story Buildings
Level 3: +2 Wisdom, Can lift large Speeders; Upon third round, May attack Opponent with 6D4 debris.

Both can be learned fast thanks to Master bonus. Both increase survivability. (force jumps are great for fleeing, 6d4 damage can save ass, too)
Neutral alter also includes force lightning (is it correct BTW? I was sure it is dark), Animal friendship (synergy with stress reliving play with T'da this is why it is in the plan) and Force stun.
nevermind I misread the list


Please consider this plan. Force jump and telekinesis are both very useful and Dooku helps as to teach them both quickly
 
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So! I'm good for going Dark, so long as we speak to Dooku, who will likely even encourage it. He's seen in his vision that we can overcome the temptation of both Light and Dark, and he'll want to help us along. Also, DS means more reason to keep Maul . . . or is it less given Anakin is less likely to spare him. If he sees benefits then he may consider the ends justify the means, what with DS specializing in a self serving attitude.

I think at this point Anakin has made his choice and is to invested in getting at what information Maul may know about the Naboo incident, and seeing that justice is sentenced and executed *:rolleyes:* in the Republic's Court of Law. Such as it might be.

I don't think that would change unless we hit the severe Dark Alignment after we severed the Link and he was really pissing us off without Dooku around to stop us. Which makes little sense unless we for some unthinkable reason wanted to spend alone time around our parents' murderer.
 
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Sparing Maul got us light points because despite our great burning desire for revenge and hatred of him, we decided at that moment that getting further information about his Master was more important than our own desires for revenge
 
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Sparing Maul was a light side option because despite our great burning desire for revenge and hatred of him, we decided at that moment that getting further information about his Master was more important than our own desires for the "Greater good".
Well yeah, but now there are Dark side motivations in keeping him alive. Benefiting ourselves is something I can get behind.
 
Yes, but once again there seems to be a misconception here.

You see the murder Ahsoka option would be offered because we were Dark Aligned, but we wouldn't have to actually take it. There is a difference between running off of your emotions, desires, and instincts like most Sith; and controlling them as we work towards mastery of them.

Sure we will be inclined and incentivized to react more emotionally and with less forethought/meta-gaming, but we don't have to choose the murder option when we could choose another option. Let's say conducting our own investigation to acquire the proof we need to get the Jedi to kill her.

Oh what's this!? She was framed? Oh well sure glad we didn't murder her. Now lets murder the ACTUAL culprit.

Yes, but the not murder Ahsoka is a Light-side choice, because it means we have to have self-control and do the research to figure out she was framed. The Dark side is 'quicker, easier, more seductive'. It doesn't require to put in the due diligence needed here, all it requires is that we act on our emotions.
 
Sparing Maul was a light side option because despite our great burning desire for revenge and hatred of him, we decided at that moment that getting further information about his Master was more important than our own desires for the "Greater good".

I thought it was Lawful, because we decided not to take the agency to enact 'Justice' into our own hands?
 
Yes, but the not murder Ahsoka is a Light-side choice, because it means we have to have self-control and do the research to figure out she was framed. The Dark side is 'quicker, easier, more seductive'. It doesn't require to put in the due diligence needed here, all it requires is that we act on our emotions.

Is it though? If we remain Lawful then precedent suggests that it is Anakin's IC desire to follow the process of the Law. Therefore it could also be a Lawful/Dark Side choice to see about expediting the process by providing evidence of the crime and her guilt.

We would be following our desire as dictated by our emotions, trying to get her killed, but also acting in a Lawful manner by finding and providing the evidence needed to kill her.
 
Any thoughts on practicing neutral alter? It looks like a way to get a nice bump in survivability. I don't insist on my plan ( even if I like stress relieving+trainining+bonding with Master combination) but I think including it in other plans should be considered. We are going into dangerous place and I want an option to force jump running away
 
Changed my mind

[X] [Level up] Force jumps are cool
-[X] Use the comm on Dooku's ship to call Beru's family.
-[X] Practice Neutral Alter
-[X] Play with T'da
-[X] Force Prodigy
-[X] Talk with Dooku about what has happened
-[X] Adept Philosopher: +5 Wisdom

Neutral Alter is a road to

Level 2: + 2 Strength, May Jump Three Story Buildings
Level 3: +2 Wisdom, Can lift large Speeders; Upon third round, May attack Opponent with 6D4 debris.

Both can be learned fast thanks to Master bonus. Both increase survivability. (force jumps are great for fleeing, 6d4 damage can save ass, too)

Neutral alter also includes force lightning (is it correct BTW? I was sure it is dark), Animal friendship (synergy with stress reliving play with T'da this is why it is in the plan) and Force stun.

Please consider this plan. Force jump and telekinesis are both very useful and Dooku helps as to teach them both quickly

I am responding directly since you asked for consideration on the plan.

I already went into depth why I think calling home at the moment has greats risks. Instead I will look at the Force direction you chose. The issue is that there is a chance combat will be in a ship/indoors and our opponent has a jetpack or is faster.

Long term, we should get the Force Perks so we can train ALL Force powers at the same time if we are going to train Force Powers. We can spend hundreds of turns on learning each individual area, or get the 2 perks needed to study a wide range of powers. That is why I am against studying Force Powers at this time. We should either focus on our bond with Dooku or Nimaan or stat increases. There is also very strong synergy with Dun Moch, Dooku, and Charisma.
 
Well yeah, but now there are Dark side motivations in keeping him alive. Benefiting ourselves is something I can get behind.
I don't think so.

His hatred should override any other consideration. To do otherwise would require sacrificing his passions for those benefits.

If he hadn't killed our parents, then I could see it.
 
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Changed my mind

[] [Level up] Force jumps are cool
-[] Use the comm on Dooku's ship to call Beru's family.
-[] Practice Neutral Alter
-[] Play with T'da
-[] Force Prodigy
-[] Talk with Dooku about what has happened
-[] Adept Philosopher: +5 Wisdom

I like the idea of the ability gain, but I severely dislike the lack of Survivability which we have been shown to desperately need if droids are almost killing us, needed to use a CP to survive, at this point.

[] [Level up] Plan Survive By Bunny Hopping
-[] Practice Neutral Alter
-[] Adept Warrior: +5 Constitution
-[] Talk with Dooku about what has happened.
-[] Use the comm on Dooku's ship to call Beru's family.
-[] Combat Prodigy (2 Points): Upon unlocked a Saber style, you immediate gain level one.
-[] Force Prodigy (2 Points):Upon unlocking a Force ability, you immediately gain level one.

I think the Bunny can wait until we have at least tried to find our brother and shored up our pathetic self-defense/survival skills.
 
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I don't think so. Anakin's desire for revenge is too great.

His hatred should override in other consideration.

Unless we can freeze Maul in carbonite, he is too much of a risk if he can think/move. His brain is gorked and he is a conduit to Sidious. He probably is also a Force Beacon of some kind as well for Sidious even if his bond is broken since Sidious knows him so well.
 
I am considering many different plan ideas

Another one:

[] [level up] Plan hug the bunny and go to the light
-[] Use the comm on Dooku's ship to call Beru's family.
-[] Practice Light Alter
-[] Play with T'da
-[] Admit to Master Dooku that you have 2 Holocrons, one of the Sith and one of the Jed-
-[] Talk with Dooku about what has happened.
-[] Adept Philosopher: +5 Wisdom

This plan goes for stress relieving\gaining light points hard anbd delays prodigies to the next turn. Light alter gives points, has animal friendship (I misread the list, sadly it is not in neutral alter...) in it offering strong synergy with Playing with T'da. Two options to get closer to Dooku + contacting Beru. All this should help dealing with Anakin's grief at least a bit.

Not a plan I want to vote right now but it looks interesting
 
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As I am pondering various plan ideas

Another one

[] [level up] Plan hug the bunny and go to light
-[] Use the comm on Dooku's ship to call Beru's family.
-[] Practice Light Alter
-[] Play with T'da
-[] Admit to Master Dooku that you have 2 Holocrons, one of the Sith and one of the Jed-
-[] Talk with Dooku about what has happened.
-[] Adept Philosopher: +5 Wisdom

This plan goes for stress relieving\gaining light points hard anbd delays prodigies to the next turn. Light alter gives points, has animal friendship (I misread the list, sadly it is not in neutral alter...) in it offering strong synergy with Playing with T'da. Two options to get closer to Dooku + contacting Beru. All this should help dealing with Anakin's grief at least a bit.

Not a plan I want to vote right now but it looks interesting

Yes, but I would like to know your rationale behind heading towards the light right now?

I get the desire not to be ruled by emotions as a motivator, but if Mastery of both sides is the goal then why don't we start with the one we are closer to and suffer the emotional responses now while we have Dooku moderating us, and we are pretty damn weak and irrelevant to the galaxy, in order to master our emotions so that we can move towards the Light easier.

We can accomplish this by disregarding our Mastered emotions/desires or putting them aside for the good of others/the Sepretists/the galaxy as a whole when we are important and powerful?
 
Yes, but I would like to know your rationale behind heading towards the light right now?

I get the desire not to be ruled by emotions as a motivator, but if Mastery of both sides is the goal then why don't we start with the one we are closer to and suffer the emotional responses now while we have Dooku moderating us, and we are pretty damn weak and irrelevant to the galaxy, in order to master our emotions so that we can move towards the Light easier.

We can accomplish this by disregarding our Mastered emotions/desires or putting them aside for the good of others/the Sepretists/the galaxy as a whole when we are important and powerful?
After how people balked at the killing Maul DS choice, I don't have faith in people to follow a path. If we go DS/LS we have to commit and I mean commit. I will say if you get a large enough voting bloc I will join in, but I don't see that happening.

People will go with what they feel is the best in that moment. So when we have a hard choice like killing someone, people will flop the other direction. Which will make things much harder/more difficult. /shakes head. That isn't a bad thing to have different opinions and what is the best direction, but it means going into a plan like that will be very difficult. I am sold on something like that, but now you need to sell ~20-30 other people as well.

Like herding cats
 
Yes, but I would like to know your rationale behind heading towards the light right now?
To counter effects of the bond with Maul, to not depressed\mad because of grief, hatred and Sith influence

but if Mastery of both sides is the goal then why don't we start with the one we are closer to
There are many reasons of that. Main one, IMO, is that being dark may bring unnecessary hostile attention. Siths are our enemies no matter what, Jedi Temple will be our enemy should we go dark. I prefer going dark when we are stronger and Jedi weaker than now.
 
Some people are more introverted. It is not a bad thing, just different. Not all trauma situations call for reaching out. Sure Anakin is worried about Owen, but he probably has conflicting feelings about saving/sparing his parent's killer. It isn't a stretch that Owen knows the Jedi are not big on personnel phone calls. If Anakin calls, he will feel guilty about his actions. He can't talk about that guilt or his feelings since it would be even more upsetting, specifically with Owen. What happens if Owen blames Anakin for leaving and letting this happen? Anakin can't talk about how he left the Jedi and went to hunt the killer of Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon and then spared that killer who was the same being that killed their parents. I don't think I could write any kind of conversation that goes well, Owen would be an emotional wreck and lashing out, which is not a good thing for Anakin.

Dude, what are you even talking about.

Anakin can be introverted because his personality is shaped by our choices. Being introverted doesn't mean he doesn't care about his family. That is called being a self-centered little kid who puts his own feelings first. Don't equate the two.

Regarding sparing Maul and conflicted feelings, that was in the update.

No...the courts should decide his fate. He had information that must be shared. You struggled internally. You wished to kill him..but you couldn't. You hated him...but you couldn't kill him. Not until he had shared all he knew. You,

So Anakin has already confirmed that he wants him dead, but he feels that Maul should be sentenced in the courts and he wants the information that he has.

Now you got to this weird tangent where Anakin will feel guilty about his actions and that SOMEHOW this means that Anakin can't talk about Maul at all because it would be more upsetting?. No, he feels conflicted as shown in the post above. Why wouldn't he be able to talk about Maul? All Anakin has to say is "Hey, me and Dooku caught the guy who killed our parents, we will be delivering him to receive his sentencing after we sort out some weird Force stuff." That is it. Anakin just tells him he caught Maul, and didn't kill him because he is a terrorist with important information, and that he will be sentenced in court after they take care of the Force Bond problem and get the info from him. There is no issue here.

Now regarding Owen blaming Anakin for leaving and letting this happen, well that is a possibility. But even worse is putting this off. What, are we never gonna speak to Owen again becasue "he may blame me for that thing that wasn't really my fault". That isn't solving your problems, it is running away form them.

Anakin can't talk about how he left the Jedi and went to hunt the killer of Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon and then spared that killer who was the same being that killed their parents. I don't think I could write any kind of conversation that goes well, Owen would be an emotional wreck and lashing out, which is not a good thing for Anakin.

Again, with this. Anakin can talk about this. He just has to tell the truth. That he left the Order with a Jedi to find Obi-Wan's and Qui-Gon's killer. That he spared the killer because he thought the court should decide his fate and that he is practically a terrorist with info that the Jedi need to catch his master. There it is. It is simple and the truth.

Then the fearmongering comes into play. Where you say that Owen could be an emotional wreck and lash out at Anakin. Well you know what, he could also be maybe grateful that his parent's killer was caught and that he will be brought to justice, did you think of that? Probably, but it didn't support the narrative you were trying to build.

We also might not be able to reach Owen or he could be in trouble. This would only make Anakin worry more. I see a lot of risks for only the small gain of peace of mind. While it is OOC knowledge, we are going to Tatooine and I am sure Dooku will help us find Owen. We aren't going to be waiting a year. Also a face to face conversation is better to have for this type of thing rather than over the phone/holo if possible. The ~two week~ delay isn't that large. That is why I would have Anakin hug his bunny instead of risking more emotional trauma.

You see, at around this point I thought we were debating in good faith. I don't really appreciate people using strawman arguments, or debating in bad faith, when the GM himself confirmed the argument to be false. See below, for the post you somehow missed regarding not being able to reach Owen or somehow calling and not learning anything about where he is or what he may be doing.

I can confirm that voting to call beru will not just be

"Hi Anakin. Owen left. I don't know where he is. Bye."

Now, you talk about Owen possibly being in trouble and that we shouldn't know if that is the case because Anakin would "worry". Well if a family member of mine was in trouble, I would like to know about it so I could do my best to help him. If for some reason Owen managed to get in more trouble (possible, but unlikely) then Anakin should know what the problem is so that he can have a solution for it when he arrives on planet. Instead of just showing up on planet, learning about this unlikely problem, and not having a solution for it because he wasn't prepared to solve it.

Edit: I don't like these fearmongering arguments. I'm gonna cool off for a bit.
 
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Is it though? If we remain Lawful then precedent suggests that it is Anakin's IC desire to follow the process of the Law. Therefore it could also be a Lawful/Dark Side choice to see about expediting the process by providing evidence of the crime and her guilt.

We would be following our desire as dictated by our emotions, trying to get her killed, but also acting in a Lawful manner by finding and providing the evidence needed to kill her.

Well then it be a Lawful choice, not a Dark Side choice. I could see a character that is both Lawful and Dark, but in practicality, the choices in the quest would be either/or. To give an example we had the choice between Lawful(Let the courts decide) or Dark(Kill Maul). To be fair, we could've walked away, but thats neither here nor there.
 
Well then it be a Lawful choice, not a Dark Side choice. I could see a character that is both Lawful and Dark, but in practicality, the choices in the quest would be either/or. To give an example we had the choice between Lawful(Let the courts decide) or Dark(Kill Maul). To be fair, we could've walked away, but thats neither here nor there.

There will be options to choose between Light and Lawful or Dark and Chaotic.

Or between Dark and LIght.

That was just this situation.
 
Dude, what are you even talking about.

Anakin can be introverted because his personality is shaped by our choices. Being introverted doesn't mean he doesn't care about his family. That is called being a self-centered little kid who puts his own feelings first. Don't equate the two.

Regarding sparing Maul and conflicted feelings, that was in the update.

There is a big difference calling to talk to someone about something and doing it immediately after the incident. Talking to Owen is not going to be easy. I want you to try and write/picture that conversation. I did and most of the times I see bad outcomes. Either Anakin says something about Maul, leaving the Jedi, or Owen blames him. You don't seem to consider the negative outcomes at all. After what happened with Maul, I would think that people would be more aware that dice rolls can throw things for an unexpected direction. Does that mean that Owen and Anakin sort through their trauma and get all better, yes that is another outcome, but it definitely isn't the only one and not a likely one by my thinking.

Now regarding Owen blaming Anakin for leaving and letting this happen, well that is a possibility. But even worse is putting this off. What, are we never gonna speak to Owen again becasue "he may blame me for that thing that wasn't really my fault". That isn't solving your problems, it is running away form them.

Again you use hyperbole where there is none needed. Not calling now, doesn't mean we won't talk to him. We are going to Tatooine after Dathomir. Better for the Maul situation to resolve and have a conversation face to face with Owen about what has happened. There is a reason that house calls are made when talking about bad news.

Again, with this. Anakin can talk about this. He just has to tell the truth. That he left the Order with a Jedi to find Obi-Wan's and Qui-Gon's killer. That he spared the killer because he thought the court should decide his fate and that he is practically a terrorist with info that the Jedi need to catch his master. There it is. It is simple and the truth.

Then the fearmongering comes into play. Where you say that Owen could be an emotional wreck and lash out at Anakin. Well you know what, he could also be maybe grateful that his parent's killer was caught and that he will be brought to justice, did you think of that?

Can you honestly say a 10 year old Owen would understand that and forgive Anakin about Maul? I mean really? If you do, I think you need to spend more time around children and people who have lost loved ones in a horrifying manner. Also Maul isn't being brought to court at the moment. Owen may ask about the trial, where it is and want to attend to testify. What happens when we don't have that information? What happens if the witches keep Maul as payment for breaking the Force Bond? How do we explain that? Better to wait, deal with Maul then speak to Owen. Rushing ahead is how you end up in both literal and metaphorical lava pits.

You see, at around this point I thought we were debating in good faith. I don't really appreciate people using strawman arguments, or debating in bad faith, when the GM himself confirmed the argument to be false. See below, for the post you somehow missed regarding not being able to reach Owen or somehow calling and not learning anything about where he is or what he may be doing.
The GM specifically said that we will get something from Beru if we call. That is it. No guarantee to talk to Owen. I would think you were debating in good faith if you actually read the comments as written. Beru could say, Owen left to be a bounty hunter. Owen was captured and made a slave. Owen doesn't want to talk to you. Any of those are possibilities. All we know is that we won't get, 'Owen isn't here and I have no idea what happened to him.'

Now, you talk about Owen possibly being in trouble and that we shouldn't know if that is the case because Anakin would "worry". Well if a family member of mine was in trouble, I would like to know about it so I could do my best to help him. If for some reason Owen managed to get in more trouble (possible, but unlikely) then Anakin should know what the problem is so that he can have a solution for it when he arrives on planet. Instead of just showing up on planet, learning about this unlikely problem, and not having a solution for it because he wasn't prepared to solve it.
Again how would we prepare if Owen is made a slave, kidnapped, or left? We have no contacts or a way to influence events and Beru will only have limited information. All it would do it make Anakin worry even more while he is unable to do anything and blaming himself. Dooku might have a way, but doubtful he would have contacts on Tatooine. We are already going to Tatooine after Dathomir. I can't see him investing too much into the situation when we are headed there anyways, even then our options would be limited and not worth nearly as much as being on planet ourselves. Again you are ignoring the negative outcomes. I do understand there is a possible positive outcome to calling. I just feel that the possibility of a bad outcome is great enough that we should hold off until Maul is dealt with and we are on Tatooine to address matters first hand.
 
There will be options to choose between Light and Lawful or Dark and Chaotic.

Or between Dark and LIght.

That was just this situation.

Right, but I'm also having thinking of scenarios where we'd have both a decision choice that was both Lawful and Dark didn't require us to be a terrible person as well.

[] The civilians were ordered to disperse, and they refused. Fire on them! [Unlocked by Lawful. Unlocked by Dark]
 
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