Just because it was a reward option doesn't mean that we'll get it. Remember, Bail will try to do the best so we get the reward but he doesn't promise anything. Also, it doesn't mean that the Jedi Order will let Anakin keep the ship as his own, even if he gets it.
Star Wars: The Chosen One (An Anakin Skywalker Quest)
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Just because it was a reward option doesn't mean that we'll get it. Remember, Bail will try to do the best so we get the reward but he doesn't promise anything. Also, it doesn't mean that the Jedi Order will let Anakin keep the ship as his own, even if he gets it.
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Telling the QM that I think the way the vote was held was stupid isn't an attack. It's constructive criticism to prevent it from happening again. To be fair, I could probably cut back on the snark, but you'd be surprised how hard that is.
Imposing your will upon others because "they're all just stupid sheeple who don't know any better, only I can save them" isn't leadership. It's being a dick. It'll also only lead to bad things.
Oh, so Anakin is a whiny little bitch who'll drop whatever his current goal is because he underwent one or two minor setbacks and because everyone isn't just letting him do whatever he wants?
Well, if that's how you read his character, that's fine. I just disagree and don't want him to turn into that.
Anakin is 10 years old. If he thinks he can help track and defeat Maul, he's either delusional or stupid.
One thing: why does it matter if the Order owns our ship, or we do? It's pretty clear in canon full Jedi Knight's have access to their own ships, that they can choose to use whenever or however they want. (At least, this is true for those Jedi that aren't permanently living in the Temple.)
bigpianist
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The point for many of the voters is not to tear the Republic down as a full-fledged Sith. It's misinformation to say that this vote will force Anakin to do so. He has choices on the dark side, which aren't evil. GM has said this several times in a few posts explicitly.
Slow change isn't good enough sometimes, and it takes effort, strong organization, and representation to protect the rights of the infringed in face of a monolithic republic. It's easy to ignore it when you're living away from all the problems, fat off the wealth, or too busy struggling to get by.
When the price of running the Republic is ruining the welfare of an innocent people in a distant place, & would go on for who knows how long, that's unacceptable. It doesn't have to mean war, but taking your sweet time is only going to raise tensions as the injustices pile up.
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Well, I can think of several cases where it might be important, like...
...we want to sell it and we can't because it's not ours.
...we want to use it to, say, go somewhere, but we can't because the Jedi Order doesn't allow it. "It's not part of your mission, Anakin. Where's your flight plan?"
...we aren't a Jedi Ace. "Why do you need a ship, Anakin? You're not a Jedi Ace."
and so on and so forth.
As part of the Jedi Order we'll always be beholden to the High Council. That'll never change, no matter how far up we go. Reform from inside? There's a very, very small chance for that.
I just prefer the option that gives us more freedom to act in the future. Right now, that means Dooku.
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And that doesn't really counter any of my points. The thing is- if Anakin had sided with the Jedi, then the Sith would have lost. He sided with the Sith for many reasons, ultimately because of selfishness and deciding-deep n his heart- that he would sooner be a child murdering fascist than to risk his wife's death. Wherreas the actual hard men making hard decisions for the greater good- the Jedi order like Mace windu- also failed because they were too out of touch. So.... where exactly do you take from this that become more selfish, or less compassionate, would be a good thing?
So... The answer when "things are in need of reform" is, I guess, to push for reform? Who's have thought?
You know who thought that smashing the system was great, that democracy could never work, that the rule of law isn't worth keeping?
Fascists. Bolsheviks. Jacobins. The Confederacy. The modern GOP. You will note that three of these groups were destroyed, another two evolved into a brutal dictatorship (betraying their revolutonary principles, and devouring their own followers), the last is increasingly unpopular and one of and likely to be slaughtered come November. The ultimate result of most of these was to collapse violently and be thoroughly destroyed and/or had their ideals repudiated by a reaction....
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Please keep modern world politics out of this quest. Take it to the politics thread, but not here.
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
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I just want to end slavery in the galaxy and I know that we have little chance of accomplishing that if we play as a good little rule following Coruscanti Jedi.
And, Also, people should remember that this is a quest, not real life.
And, Also, people should remember that this is a quest, not real life.
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Easy for you to say Wookie hater!
Where'd that come from?
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My concern for the Wookies of the galaxy and the need to protect them from this thread's many fascists looking to turn Anakin DARK!
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If we take the centre of Force Perk, will that mean our alignment reach perfect equilibrium aka balance between Light and Dark Permanently?
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Everybody stop kung-fu fighting over leaving with Dooku or staying with the Jedi, it's a quest, not the canon version of Star Wars, the QM will probably keep giving us all sort of opportunities for change no matter what direction we pick!
And I was among those who voted for the 'May the Force be with you,' option since I don't want to leave at this stage the Jedi and I find it very strange to ask a complete stranger 'Please Stay' when Anakin has always followed his heart and dreams and I don't see him as someone who would try to stop others from following theirs.
Remember that the QM rolled for who would step in Watto's shop and it was by chance and the dice gods will that we got Qui-Gon, when we could've gotten from Maul to Vos? There is not guarantee Dooku will accept becoming a Sith, he might get closer to them, but there's nothing set in stone in this quest. Some meta-knowledge is good but if we rely to heavily on it we might fall into all sorts of traps. Remember Ackbar's words, people!
Also @baboushreturns I know you're trying to be funny, but please don't call people fascists.
And I was among those who voted for the 'May the Force be with you,' option since I don't want to leave at this stage the Jedi and I find it very strange to ask a complete stranger 'Please Stay' when Anakin has always followed his heart and dreams and I don't see him as someone who would try to stop others from following theirs.
Remember that the QM rolled for who would step in Watto's shop and it was by chance and the dice gods will that we got Qui-Gon, when we could've gotten from Maul to Vos? There is not guarantee Dooku will accept becoming a Sith, he might get closer to them, but there's nothing set in stone in this quest. Some meta-knowledge is good but if we rely to heavily on it we might fall into all sorts of traps. Remember Ackbar's words, people!
Also @baboushreturns I know you're trying to be funny, but please don't call people fascists.
Quest Stance on Good and Evil/Light and Dark
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Quest Stance on Light and Dark/Good and Evil:
THis is the stance of the Quest. It may contradict canon in some places due to the story
Light VS Dark:
The Force is necessary for life. The Force is an entity composed of Light and Dark. Both are necessary for its existence. Originally, the users of the Force sought balance between light and dark. Due to numerous changes, the Light and the Dark were divorced from one another and it became impossible to have balance between the two. Anyone who strives for balance will ultimately find themselves leaning one way or another.
The sides of the Force are how you use emotion.
The Light side is taking all of your emotion and releasing it to the force. Letting the force flow through you.
The Dark side is taking your emotion and using it to control the force.
It is possible to use the Lightside for Genocide.
It is possible to use the Dark Side to end slavery.
The Force is meant to be a tool. Unfortunately, due to the unbalance, the Dark and the Light both corrupt its users. The Dark becomes more hedonistic and passionate, the Light side users lose their identity and sense of self. Both are negative extremes.
Somehow, you as Anakin Skywalker, have to cure the force of these extremes.
Good vs. Evil
This is a quest. Meaning your decisions determine who you are. It is perfectly fine if you do not prefer to play what you define as evil. It's perfectly fine if you do not prefer to play as what you define as good.
However, as I asked near the beginning of this quest, please do not use the stance, "Because its evil!" as a reason condemn other voter's choices. You can definitely say you don't care for a vote because you would prefer for Anakin to have a different moral code, but "because its evil!" is not a legitimate argument in this quest.
Personally, Anakin will be morally ambiguous unless you as voters actively try to change that. If "evil" decisions are made, I will write Anakin as a conflicted but not derpy villain. Think more Batman/Tywin Lannister esque than Hitler.
THis is the stance of the Quest. It may contradict canon in some places due to the story
Light VS Dark:
The Force is necessary for life. The Force is an entity composed of Light and Dark. Both are necessary for its existence. Originally, the users of the Force sought balance between light and dark. Due to numerous changes, the Light and the Dark were divorced from one another and it became impossible to have balance between the two. Anyone who strives for balance will ultimately find themselves leaning one way or another.
The sides of the Force are how you use emotion.
The Light side is taking all of your emotion and releasing it to the force. Letting the force flow through you.
The Dark side is taking your emotion and using it to control the force.
It is possible to use the Lightside for Genocide.
It is possible to use the Dark Side to end slavery.
The Force is meant to be a tool. Unfortunately, due to the unbalance, the Dark and the Light both corrupt its users. The Dark becomes more hedonistic and passionate, the Light side users lose their identity and sense of self. Both are negative extremes.
Somehow, you as Anakin Skywalker, have to cure the force of these extremes.
Good vs. Evil
This is a quest. Meaning your decisions determine who you are. It is perfectly fine if you do not prefer to play what you define as evil. It's perfectly fine if you do not prefer to play as what you define as good.
However, as I asked near the beginning of this quest, please do not use the stance, "Because its evil!" as a reason condemn other voter's choices. You can definitely say you don't care for a vote because you would prefer for Anakin to have a different moral code, but "because its evil!" is not a legitimate argument in this quest.
Personally, Anakin will be morally ambiguous unless you as voters actively try to change that. If "evil" decisions are made, I will write Anakin as a conflicted but not derpy villain. Think more Batman/Tywin Lannister esque than Hitler.
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Ah sorry I just thought that was what you guys thought we were trying to do...I mean anything different from cannon must mean we are the devil incarnate right?
Who is this?
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To you...its a dream that felt very real, but still just a dream. You don't know for certain whether it was just homesickness or an actual issue. That's meta knowledge of the fact that Anakin does have prophetic or past knowledge dreams
bigpianist
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I effectively countered all of your points.
The Jedi order failed Anakin. The Jedi withheld the fate of Anakin's family from him. They cut off his contact. They only told him to not feel when his friend died, and never properly addressed his fears of losing another person close to him. Qui-Gon, then Padme. He felt more intensely as a former slave being shown kindness, and friendship by them. But, when the inevitability for most people happens: human emotion, Anakin was cut off by the Jedi at a young age. Not so young he took to their brainwashing like a fish to water, he was unorthodox.
The need for reform, and the way one pushes for reform will have different levels of effectiveness, based on one's circumstances, shift with precedent. Who would've thought?
Your confidence in the Republic to change from a stymied office is your weakness.
I laugh at your mis-matching comparisons. And your ignorance of current popularity polls for someone who doesn't even represent, or require the GOP, but neither the Democrats to be likely to succeed. Haven't you heard? The DNC is falling apart financially.
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"Yes, slavery is bad, but we can't exactly do anything against it. If we were to send Jedi across the galaxy to kill slavers and free all the slaves, we'd risk sparking a galactic war. And that would cause much more misery than simply allowing slavery to exist."
Huh, not too far from Hard Man Making Hard Decisions, actually.
*sigh* I don't want us to keep doing this. I don't want us to keep voting to change our goal and path every 5 updates, it gets annoying fast.
#KreiaDidNothingWrong
#KillTheForce
Nu-uh, we must do EVERYTHING completely different from Canon, because anything that looks even remotely like Canon is BORING! Therefore, anything that's different must be good!
See, I can make stupid strawmen about someone else's opinions as well.
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ASOIAF/Game of Thrones character who is a ruthless man. Check his page of the wiki.
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Except there have been no major decisions that were different from cannon @Random Member were there?
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Ah Tywin Lannister, the very definition of a Hard Man Making Hard Decisions, all for the sake of his family and legacy.
And look how that ended. Him dying on the loo and both his family and legacy ruined.
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And why should there be? Anakin didn't start fucking up until much later and I'm not opposed to doing 'Anakin's Life But Done Correctly'.