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Star Wars: The Chosen One (An Anakin Skywalker Quest)

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aceraptor said:
A Clone Wars or something to that effect will probably happen unless Palpie is ganked. Palpatine needs a grinding war like the Clone Wars to reduce the weaken the Jedi Order. Not to mention he can use the cover of the war to gank the more isolated force sects under the cover of the chaos war.


I don't care to play a evil guy frankly. That's just personal taste. Its part of my personal taste, just like how 100% of the time I burn down every single slaver and raider camp in the Fallout 3/4 games that I run into.
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Palpatine relied on Dooku to play the CIS against the Jedi. A secession war gave legitimacy to the fielding of the Clone Army across many worlds, and necessitated direct involvement from Jedi. This gave them an efficient way to restructure the Republic into the Empire, while maintaining public approval while in office. Without the organizing, and internal pressure from Dooku on the CIS, Palpatine will have to find someone else to do the heavy lifting. Who would make a decent substitute for Dooku?

Dooku had influence and resources without Palpatine. Dooku can reclaim the title of Count of Serreno. His experience as a former Jedi Consular probably helped him unite seperatists. Dooku got things done. He was charismatic, intelligent, and a great speaker. Leveraging this, and maybe connecting Dooku with Bail could make nowhere safe for Darth Maul.

If Anakin is with the Count, he might be able to suggest alternatives to joining Palpatine, just as he had given the mercenary idea to Bail Organa. Or at least, keep Dooku grounded. Working with a master manipulator like Sheev, for a decade before the start of Clone Wars, with lots of Jedi repression, is not good. Dooku did that in canon as an apprentice. Here, he might be persuaded to not jump into the pocket of a secret sith lord with political aspirations. He should know that politics are dangerous by now.

A kid who he knows shares his grief over Qui-Gon (that shared meditation event), might be trusted enough to help him find means for change elsewhere. Maybe even through the Sith Holocron, or other sources, instead of working for Palpatine.

Bail is on good terms with Anakin. This can help both Dooku and Bail, and since Palpatine isn't Chancellor this time, it might be a window of opportunity, throw wrenches in Palpatine's plans.

But to be close to Dooku, Anakin can't just follow the will Jedi Council blindly, and be their mouthpiece.
 
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I'd also like to mention that I think everyone is desperate for some change. Just because we go with Dooku does not mean we go dark and all of you who are afraid of that should realize we still have control over anakins thoughts no matter whic ship he's on.
 
Bail
[X] [Reward] To do all he can to free the slaves in the Outer Rim?
[X] [Meetings] Accepted. This would be a great opportunity to hangout with someone who wasn't a Jedi and expand your horizons. The fact that Bail was the Chancellor just made it better!

Yoda
[X] [Failure] Frustrated: What were you supposed to do? The old gremlin hadn't offered any instruction!

Dooku
[X] [Dooku] May I leave the Jedi Order and join you to hunt the SIth? (Requires 4 CP)

Sith
[X] [Sith] Suspicious: The woman appeared harmless. Perhaps that was the danger?

Dreams
[X] [Dreams] Frowned in worry and left. You would meditate to determine if this is a message from the Force or merely a bad dream.
 
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People, please consider the following:

We are giving Bail word that we will be his friend in the Jedi Order (and pass on some tidbits). Which will be immediately broken since we'll be leaving with Dooku if its successful. Thus our word will mean nothing in the future with Bail, say, if in the future we end up being a Separatist leader or something.

Considering the training bonuses, Dooku is inferior to Yoda or Mace. And Vaapad is also extremely necessary if we want to face Palpatine or Maul or whoever the hell else we'll be facing.

Also consider: Anakin may be able to build a powerbase within the Jedi Order, ala Revan. Becoming Qui-Gon Mk. II in questioning the Council once we become Knight. Bring along best of Anakin's generation (say, Quinlan Vos who survived the purge) with him to his goals like freeing the slaves and the like. Hell, even recreating the Jedi Lords. We have been pushing Charisma heavily with Anakin.
 
@Arthellion Since it's such an important choice, would it be possible to count the 'leave with Dooku' votes against the 'don't leave with Dooku' votes first, and then if the don't leave votes win, compare the 'good luck' vs 'please stay' options to see which wins? Basically consolidate it into a yes or no vote, with the good luck and please stay options sub-votes of staying with the Jedi.

Because right now, nobody can really vote for the 'may the force be with you' option due to the vote splitting.
 
Gm has already said we can't pull a Revan, the Jedi indoctrination post-russan reformation is too strong.

If you want to go Full Jedi Lord, this is our best chance.
 
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Dooku is a veteran Jedi Master with decades of experience in life, diplomacy, etc. He chose to take Sidious's offer.

Seriously, what does Initiate Anakin Skywalker bring?
 
Anduril said:
Dooku is a veteran Jedi Master with decades of experience in life, diplomacy, etc. He chose to take Sidious's offer.

Seriously, what does Initiate Anakin Skywalker bring?
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Emotional support. They shared knowing Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. A legacy. The shared goal of hunting the Sith that killed a friend, which can continue from Anakin if it wasn't done in Dooku's lifetime. The man is starting to get old.

An apprentice he can foist tasks on. Anakin wasn't indoctrinated, had only a brief stay in the Jedi Temple, and knews life outside the Jedi Temple. With his gift to use the force, Anakin can be molded into a useful ally.

Everyone else of interest was snatched up by the Jedi Temple, and who knows when he'll come across a force user as willing to tag along as Anakin? Anakin is a force user right in front of him.
 
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And, the idea that Bail will hold leaving the order against us in the future is fucking bullshit.

We are a fucking 10 year old.
 
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bigpianist said:
If Anakin is with the Count, he might be able to suggest alternatives to joining Palpatine, just as he had given the mercenary idea to Bail Organa. Or at least, keep Dooku grounded. Working with a master manipulator like Sheev, for a decade before the start of Clone Wars, with lots of Jedi repression, is not good. Dooku did that in canon as an apprentice. Here, he might be persuaded to not jump into the pocket of a secret sith lord with political aspirations. He should know that politics are dangerous by now. A kid who he knows shares his grief over Qui-Gon, and has a sith holocron, might be trustworthy enough to help him find knowledge elsewhere.
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If we manage to prevent Sheev from turning Dooku, it'll be because RNGesus decided to throw us a bone. Anakin would be nowhere near good enough to counter a master manipulator like Sidious.
baboushreturns said:
I'd also like to mention that I think everyone is desperate for some change.
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Yes, everyone obviously wants to do things differently than canon. Thing is, staying with the Jedi until we've atleast finished Initiate training isn't automatically the same thing as canon. Things are already pretty different from canon, despite us following what some posters called "the canon path".

Being different for difference sake is silly, and I for one do not consider Anakin leaving the Order and the few connections he made there behind for some guy he just met simply because he had one rough week and he might be able to satisfy his revengeboner that way to be either interesting or good character development.
 
There's a difference between wanting to try something new and interesting and deliberately veering as far away from canon as possible, I think. Also, intentions are just as important as outcomes.
 
[X] [Reward] To Do all he can to free the slaves in the Outer Rim?
[X] [meetings] Accepted. This would be a great opportunity to hangout with someone who wasn't a Jedi and expand your horizons. The fact that Bail was the CHancellor just made it better!

[X] [Failure] Seriously: Yoda was the teacher, and apparently you'd been doing it the wrong way. You needed to figure out the right way

[X] [Dooku] Please stay with the Order?

[X] [Sith] Suspicious: The woman appeared harmless. Perhaps that was the danger?

[X] [Dreams] Frowned in worry and left. You would meditate to determine if this is a message from the Force or merely a bad dream.
 
Random Member said:
If we manage to prevent Sheev from turning Dooku, it'll be because RNGesus decided to throw us a bone. Anakin would be nowhere near good enough to counter a master manipulator like Sidious.
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It's still better odds of making a huge positive impact in the following years. Not going means no chance to affect things on Dooku's end, as Anakin is run through rigamole of the Jedi Training. Same thing about RNG can be said for that.

Anakin did manage to convince the council to help Naboo. That was RNG. It's just a different storytelling. All is RNG. GM has said that min-maxing should not be prioritised over the story. This isn't min-maxing, or making Anakin act OOC. If Anakin is Dooku's apprentice, then he might take their bond into account before subscribing to Sheev's philosophy, which he'd use to torture his other apprentices in canon. He may discuss this with Anakin first. And just having someone there, can be what pulls him back from the brink.

It can be due to a good plan, too, or a different available selection of plans being picked, which alter the difficulty of the crucial moments.
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Yes, everyone obviously wants to do things differently than canon. Thing is, staying with the Jedi until we've atleast finished Initiate training isn't automatically the same thing as canon. Things are already pretty different from canon, despite us following what some posters called "the canon path".

Being different for difference sake is silly, and I for one do not consider Anakin leaving the Order and the few connections he made there behind for some guy he just met simply because he had one rough week and he might be able to satisfy his revengeboner that way to be either interesting or good character development.
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But it isn't for the sake of just being different. It's for the sake of storytelling, and entertainment. What one person likes, may not be your cup of tea, and that's fine.
 
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Random Member said:
Yes, everyone obviously wants to do things differently than canon. Thing is, staying with the Jedi until we've atleast finished Initiate training isn't automatically the same thing as canon. Things are already pretty different from canon, despite us following what some posters called "the canon path".

Being different for difference sake is silly, and I for one do not consider Anakin leaving the Order and the few connections he made there behind for some guy he just met simply because he had one rough week and he might be able to satisfy his revengeboner that way to be either interesting or good character development.
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Exactly. There's no rush to break away from the Order just for the sake of running from canon. This story takes place over the course of decades (there are around 30 fucking years until A New Hope's timeframe, assuming that the quest will go that far down the timeline). We have time. Canon cannot possibly survive intact, especially not when so many things are RNG dependent.
 
[X] [Reward] To Do all he can to free the slaves in the Outer Rim?

[X] [meetings] Accepted. This would be a great opportunity to hangout with someone who wasn't a Jedi and expand your horizons. The fact that Bail was the CHancellor just made it better!

[X] [Dooku] Please stay with the Order?

[X] [Failure] Seriously: Yoda was the teacher, and apparently you'd been doing it the wrong way. You needed to figure out the right way

[X] [Sith] Curious: The Sith Code was different than that of the Jedi. Did not make either code right, but you wanted to learn more.

[X] [Dreams] Frowned in worry and left. You would meditate to determine if this is a message from the Force or merely a bad dream.
 
Tally. Separatists + Lyn Arden + Dooku + Anakin Skywalker + Corellian Jedi + Other force sects is what I call fucking awesome and terrifying. Let Sidious and the Coruscanti Jedi tremble.
Adhoc vote count started by DkArthas on Feb 2, 2018 at 3:20 AM, finished with 374 posts and 58 votes.
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[X] [Reward] To do all he can to free the slaves in the Outer Rim?
[X] [Meetings] Accepted. This would be a great opportunity to hangout with someone who wasn't a Jedi and expand your horizons. The fact that Bail was the Chancellor just made it better!
[X] [Sith] Curious: The Sith Code was different than that of the Jedi. Did not make either code right, but you wanted to learn more.
[X] [Dooku] May I leave the Jedi Order and join you to hunt the SIth? (Requires 4 CP)
[X] [Failure] Seriously: Yoda was the teacher, and apparently you'd been doing it the wrong way. You needed to figure out the right way
[X] [Dreams] Frowned in worry and left. You would meditate to determine if this is a message from the Force or merely a bad dream.
 
aceraptor said:
@Appirinia, @Undead Martyr, @Vicjer, @Anduril, @Unearthly Sight, @Icefyre, @Hellhound, @Pred1059, @veekie, @Red

Guys, if you guys don't want the 'leave with Dooku' vote to win I'd recommend we consolidate our vote with 'please stay with the Order' due to it having more votes that the other option.


Yeah? And waste 4 CPs trying to do so. Plus who says we can't reach our full potential else where? Like say, getting trained by Mace Windu.
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And that is completely and utterly wrong. The QM has already stated that we get the CP back if we fail.
 
Yoda
[X] [Failure] Frustrated: What were you supposed to do? The old gremlin hadn't offered any instruction!

Dooku
[X] [Dooku] May I leave the Jedi Order and join you to hunt the SIth? (Requires 4 CP)

Sith
[X] [Sith] Suspicious: The woman appeared harmless. Perhaps that was the danger?

Dreams
[X] [Dreams] Stomped off angrily. Your family could be in trouble.
 
Bail
[X] [Reward] To Do all he can to free the slaves in the Outer Rim?
[X] [meetings] Refused. You would not ally with a politician that could potentially hurt the Jedi if you said the wrong thing.

Yoda
[X] [Failure] Seriously: Yoda was the teacher, and apparently you'd been doing it the wrong way. You needed to figure out the right way

Dooku
[X] [Dooku] Please stay with the Order?

Sith
[X] [Sith] Suspicious: The woman appeared harmless. Perhaps that was the danger?

Dreams
[X] [Dreams] Frowned in worry and left. You would meditate to determine if this is a message from the Force or merely a bad dream.
 
Bail
[X] [Reward] To Do all he can to free the slaves in the Outer Rim?
[X] [meetings] Accepted. This would be a great opportunity to hangout with someone who wasn't a Jedi and expand your horizons. The fact that Bail was the CHancellor just made it better!


Yoda
[X] [Failure] Confused: That's the complete opposite from what Master Zan taught you. You've used your emotions all the time for years in your training and it didn't make you torture small animals or something. And now Master Yoda tells you Master Zan's teachings are wrong? You don't get it.

Dooku
[X] [Dooku] May I leave the Jedi Order and join you to hunt the SIth? (Requires 4 CP)

Sith
[X] [Sith] Curious: The Sith Code was different than that of the Jedi. Did not make either code right, but you wanted to learn more.

Dreams
[X] [Dreams] Stomped off angrily. Your family could be in trouble.
 
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