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That's not an answer to any of the questions I asked. So I'll repeat: what orthodoxy, enforced by who?
Star Wars EU Retrospect
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That's not an answer to any of the questions I asked. So I'll repeat: what orthodoxy, enforced by who?
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I'm so glad that no other EU source ever even thought about that till some galaxy brain making TOR thought "what if we make the Jedi commit a brutal, massive genocide for no reason laid out in the text beforehand and that goes against the way they had behaved in previous conflicts"
Post–Great Hyperspace War counterinvasion
Sometime after the second battle of Korriban, Galactic Republic Supreme Chancellor Pultimo authorized a post–Great Hyperspace War counterinvasion of the Sith Empire centered on the Sith Worlds of the Stygian Caldera[7][20] and outlying Sith colonial holdings elsewhere in the galaxy.[5][16] This...starwars.fandom.com
Jedi Covenant
We five are part of a sacred trust, Zayne. A Jedi Covenant—to stand watch and make certain that [a Sith War] never happens again.Q'Anilia The Jedi Covenant was a secret organization of Jedi headquartered on Coruscant in the time of the Old Sith Wars. It was established after the Great Sith War...
I would say the Jedi at their worst enabled the Sith. While I don't like the Sith, I disdain the Jedi for their pretense of "not being extremists".
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TLJ breaks in-universe Lore and renders PT and OT conflicts and battles strategicly and tactically pointless with that nonsensical "hyperspace ramming".
Rain Johnson simply did not care. While he is a good director for standalone works, he is the worst choice possible to follow up on other people's work.
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Yeah, but that sequence was freaking awesome so it's cool.
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You could have just said that instead of just dropping a link to a god knows how long YouTube video without much context.
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Oh no. The Jedi did follow up on their behaviour from previous conflicts:-
The Jedi did not commit genocide, the Republic did and they did not say no.
They then proceeded to mutaliate/lobotomise those who surrendered, a people who were inherently Force-sensitive.
I found the proposed re-write much better than the shite passed out by Disney and wanted to share.
Orthodoxy decreed by the Council, enforced by the Council.
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An orthodoxy that is set up by and enforced by the Jedi Council?
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Because a weapon that misses its target by checks notes at least 10 kilometres is extremely useful, yes.
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The old Expanded Universe was more important to me than the movies. the Young Jedi Knight series got me through dealing with an emotionally-abusive stepfather and got me writing fanfic back in 1995. On notebook paper. So... as much as there were parts of the old EU I honestly loathed, it meant and still means a lot to me. The Sequel trilogy, as unfair as this is gonna sound, had an uphill battle with me to begin with.
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Or can we just drop it this once? Can we just go one week without a screaming row over a film I love?
Please?
For my part, Abrams films bad though TFA took a few years for the scales to fall, I love TLJ (also the Holdo manoeuvre's clearly very very very situational to the point of being a one-off but more importantly it's incredible to watch). I understand that Lucas didn't intend for the Jedi to come off as jerks but I think bad choices in characterisation (especially Anakin) and his filmmaking approach led to that impression.
Anyway, Labyrinth of Evil. Why couldn't we have that Grievous in the movies?
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The one Obi-Wan mentions in TPM about how Qui-Gon is refused a seat on the Council because he has somewhat different l views on the Force.
Basically the Council dictates what the Jedi believe and they only allow people on the Council who believe what the Council dictates. The perfect conservative bubble.
One of the greatest tragedies of the Sequel Trilogy undoing the old EU is that Luke's Jedi Order was objectively the best and healthiest it has ever been. But now it no longer exists.
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I'm sad that the potential to explore a rebuilt but different Jedi Order was immediately shut down. Abrams had a lot of very limiting ideas.
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Rebuilt how? Both Legends and Disney agree the Jedi as a group are dead -their main source of knowledge destroyed, their few survivors scattered to the four winds and mostly too young to have possessed much esoteric knowledge. Yet some half trained, overage Initiate is supposed to have made it anew?
That's not how things work. It has never been how things work.
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OK, maybe rebuilt is the wrong world. But with thirty years to research and learn, potentially working with other factions which follow the Force, the support of the new government etc. I think it's reasonable for Luke to have forged something new.
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The Jedi survived even into the Legacy era, though. I like that after being purged a few billion times, byt he time of Legacy they had a whole secret base to fall back to when they inevitably all nearly died again.
And I think Cade was gonna help them get back on their feet.It's been a long time since I read those comics.
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Except that's clearly not true, because in Legends Luke does build a New Jedi Order, using knowledge from survivors and holocrons, the curriculum materials from the Chu'unthor, and things that he had to relearn from scratch. And there were a lot of survivors, who could be reasonably expected to come out of the woodwork once the Empire was gone. Hell, I don't like the Legacy comics much, but according to them two Jedi Masters from the Clone Wars were still alive and part of the New Jedi Order a hundred years later, so what they knew was not lost. Despite Palpatine's efforts, the knowledge of the Jedi was not erased from history. The Jedi Order that Luke built didn't look the same as the Jedi Order of the Ruusan Republic (largely because people only had the vaguest idea of what it was like, and what Lucas did with the prequels didn't match what anyone had thought), but it's not like the Jedi Order of the Ruusan Republic looked much like the Jedi Order of the New Sith Wars, or the Jedi Order of the Mandalorian Wars, or the Jedi Order of the Great Hyperspace War. Things change, and Luke and his students built a New Jedi Order based on their breadth of experience and the state of the galaxy at the time.
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I've got some headcanon-y thoughts on this which have gone into the General SW thread.
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Mostly same. My school library had some of the Thrawn novels and Young Jedi Knights books and I indulged the shit out of that when I was a kid. I got bullied a lot, so the Star Wars books were what got me through.
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I've got Dark force Rising on audio cassette on one of my shelves.
I'm actually not entirely sure if it still plays, though.
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The secret is, in theory you can find support for almost anything in the EU, and despite that, people trying to find evil stuff for the Jedi to do other than being too strict and too set in their ways by the PT era (which is totally a universal failing of all Jedi ever, and not what basically every successful organization (for as long as the Jedi Order had seemed to be working in its latest form, which is vastly different from what it was pre-Ruusan) inevitably deals with), they have to rely on the unreliable words of a space fascist frozen in time to show up in a fighting video game and... The Old Republic.
Whose plot is a punchline, and whose worldbuilding is comically flimsy.
The EU can support every position, but some really involve having to try to reach.
Whose plot is a punchline, and whose worldbuilding is comically flimsy.
The EU can support every position, but some really involve having to try to reach.
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That's still from a TOR source. My point was TOR Jedi were completely out of character. That part links to an issue of TotJ, but that issue doesn't have anything to do with Odann-Ur cutting people off from the Force as far as I can tell. It's an issue about the Mandalorians invading during the Exar Kun conflict, nothing to do with the Great Hyperspace War conflict other than Odann-Ur mentioning he got a holocron from it and the Sith in it used meditation spheres.
TOR basically wholesale invented the genocide, as some weird way to explain the fridge logic of "why aren't there a lot of Sith running around". It's a bad take. The 100 years darkness, a much worse conflict, only had the Jedi exile their former members, for instance.
Yeah, for me, my first EU works were my dad's copies of the Tales of the Jedi and Star Wars: Republic comics. I loved stories like the Great Sith War, and the Battle of Jabiim arc is still better than a lot of Clone Wars stories. Imagine if they had put Ahsoka through that arc, with Anakin and Rex presumed dead. THAT would have been a brutal, but epic story.
As for "evil" Jedi acts, the only real ones I can think of from Legends were the Ghost Prison (extra judical imprisonment), and the Jedi Covenant (who were an unsanctioned, secret order who were shut down the moment they were found out).
As for "evil" Jedi acts, the only real ones I can think of from Legends were the Ghost Prison (extra judical imprisonment), and the Jedi Covenant (who were an unsanctioned, secret order who were shut down the moment they were found out).