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Springtime of Nations: A German Republic Quest

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[X] [UNION] Make clear that pro-union speech, organizing, and work stoppages have special protections against government action.
[X] [FARM] Carve out a special exception for small farms regarding property seizures; those can only be taken with proven need and full compensation.
[X] [ARMY] Affirm the government's commitment to soldier and sailor pensions should their regular units be disbanded, regardless of prior affiliation.
[X] [PEACE] Require that any proactive declaration of war first be ratified by popular referendum.
[X] [RAZOR] No concessions are needed for the Jacobins.
[X] [BUND] Expand the rights and privileges of localities regarding cultural and political autonomy.
[X] [REVIEW] No concessions are needed for the constitutionalists.
[X] [STATE] No concessions are needed for the statists.

At first glance. I could be convinced we'll lose the referendum without the farm stuff but I'd rather not if I can avoid it.

I'm opposed to the sectorial ministries because I think it's a recipe for fractious government. Sectors being represented by their unions and negotiating with ministries who represent an unified government seem healthier.

The constitutional work group is not critically bad like independent judiciary review would be but it feels unnecessary. We haven't built a constitutional cult like the Americans so I don't think this is that relevant to the average German voter either.

And running on opposing referenda when trying to win a referendum seem backward to me so let's not do that.

Everything else is either free or something I'm outright happy we're doing.

Edit: I'm throwing in the farmer compromise because I really want the constitution to pass and compensating them isn't as deadly as compensating capitalist owners.

Lupercal said:
I don't actually like the farm or razor parts but I feel like we need these to get the Jacobins on side. I absolutely refuse to give the soldiers who fought for reaction special treatment, particularly when I don't want a special class of "soldiers" anyway.
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Reminder the NC had universal conscription, and the noble officers probably shot anyone who refused to fight for them. We already dealt with the officers, who were the ideological ones. I think this is just good sense to ensure all soldiers demobilize peacefully, even if it didn't help for the constitution.
 
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[X] [UNION] Make clear that pro-union speech, organizing, and work stoppages have special protections against government action.
[x] [FARM] No concessions are needed with the farmers.
[X] [ARMY] Affirm the government's commitment to soldier and sailor pensions should their regular units be disbanded, regardless of prior affiliation.
[X] [PEACE] No concessions are needed for the pacifists.
[X] [RAZOR] No concessions are needed for the Jacobins.
[X] [BUND] No concessions are needed for the localists.
[X] [REVIEW] No concessions are needed for the constitutionalists.
[X] [STATE] Raise the requirements for citizen-initiated referenda in order to improve national stability.
 
[X] [UNION] Make clear that pro-union speech, organizing, and work stoppages have special protections against government action.
[X] [FARM] Carve out a special exception for small farms regarding property seizures; those can only be taken with proven need and full compensation.
[X] [PEACE] No concessions are needed for the pacifists.
[X] [RAZOR] Require that sectoral government ministers (War, Industry, Agriculture, etc) be elected by the constituencies they serve and be delegated appropriate executive powers relating to their mandate.
[X] [BUND] No concessions are needed for the localists.
[X] [REVIEW] Mandate the creation of a constitutional review committee within the Assembly, made up of delegates, that must approve laws prior to their enactment.
[X] [STATE] Raise the requirements for citizen-initiated referenda in order to improve national stability.

Voting for the RAZOR because it's not worth pissing off the Jacobins from the start, but we've built a very weak state, and handing the War ministry to whoever is most popular with the soldiers is basically begging for a coup.

Voting against peace concessions because we have a score to settle with Austria and I don't want them to have months of advance warning time to dig in and build a coalition.
 
[X] [UNION] Make clear that pro-union speech, organizing, and work stoppages have special protections against government action.
[X] [FARM] Carve out a special exception for small farms regarding property seizures; those can only be taken with proven need and full compensation.
[X] [ARMY] Affirm the government's commitment to soldier and sailor pensions should their regular units be disbanded, regardless of prior affiliation.
[X] [PEACE] No concessions are needed for the pacifists.
[X] [RAZOR] No concessions are needed for the Jacobins.
[X] [BUND] Expand the rights and privileges of localities regarding cultural and political autonomy.
[X] [REVIEW] No concessions are needed for the constitutionalists.
[X] [STATE] No concessions are needed for the statists.

The pacifist compromise will take too long even in the best case of doing a referendum in a few days entire uprisings and revolutions would have already come and gone.
 
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[X] [UNION] Make clear that pro-union speech, organizing, and work stoppages have special protections against government action.
[X] [FARM] Carve out a special exception for small farms regarding property seizures; those can only be taken with proven need and full compensation.
[X] [ARMY] Affirm the government's commitment to soldier and sailor pensions should their regular units be disbanded, regardless of prior affiliation.
[X] [PEACE] No concessions are needed for the pacifists.
[X] [BUND] No concessions are needed for the localists.
[X] [REVIEW] Mandate the creation of a constitutional review committee within the Assembly, made up of delegates, that must approve laws prior to their enactment.
[X] [STATE] Raise the requirements for citizen-initiated referenda in order to improve national stability.
 
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[X] [UNION] Make clear that pro-union speech, organizing, and work stoppages have special protections against government action.
[X] [FARM] Carve out a special exception for small farms regarding property seizures; those can only be taken with proven need and full compensation.
[X] [ARMY] Affirm the government's commitment to soldier and sailor pensions should their regular units be disbanded, regardless of prior affiliation.
[X] [PEACE] No concessions are needed for the pacifists.
[X] [RAZOR] Require that sectoral government ministers (War, Industry, Agriculture, etc) be elected by the constituencies they serve and be delegated appropriate executive powers relating to their mandate.
[x] [BUND] Expand the rights and privileges of localities regarding cultural and political autonomy.
[x] [REVIEW] No concessions are needed for the constitutionalists.
[x] [STATE] No concessions are needed for the statists.
 
[X] [UNION] Make clear that pro-union speech, organizing, and work stoppages have special protections against government action.
[X] [FARM] Carve out a special exception for small farms regarding property seizures; those can only be taken with proven need and full compensation.
[X] [ARMY] Affirm the government's commitment to soldier and sailor pensions should their regular units be disbanded, regardless of prior affiliation.

I don't think voting for constitutional aid to the three pillars of our nation requires any explanation or justification. Also, if we don't pay off the previously mobilized soldiers, we're going to end up with a Bonus Army situation.

[X] [PEACE] No concessions are needed for the pacifists.

This one is simply impractical.

[X] [RAZOR] Require that sectoral government ministers (War, Industry, Agriculture, etc) be elected by the constituencies they serve and be delegated appropriate executive powers relating to their mandate.
[X] [BUND] Expand the rights and privileges of localities regarding cultural and political autonomy.
[X] [REVIEW] Mandate the creation of a constitutional review committee within the Assembly, made up of delegates, that must approve laws prior to their enactment.
[X] [STATE] No concessions are needed for the statists.

I've made my stance on unlimited power of the National Assembly clear by now.
 
[X] [UNION] Make clear that pro-union speech, organizing, and work stoppages have special protections against government action.
[X] [FARM] Carve out a special exception for small farms regarding property seizures; those can only be taken with proven need and full compensation.
[X] [ARMY] Affirm the government's commitment to soldier and sailor pensions should their regular units be disbanded, regardless of prior affiliation.
[X] [PEACE] No concessions are needed for the pacifists.
[X] [RAZOR] No concessions are needed for the Jacobins.
[X] [BUND] Expand the rights and privileges of localities regarding cultural and political autonomy.
[X] [REVIEW] Mandate the creation of a constitutional review committee within the Assembly, made up of delegates, that must approve laws prior to their enactment.
[X] [STATE] No concessions are needed for the statists.
 
[x] [UNION] No concessions are needed for the unions.
[x] [FARM] No concessions are needed with the farmers.
[x] [ARMY] Affirm the government's commitment to soldier and sailor pensions should their regular units be disbanded, regardless of prior affiliation.
[x] [PEACE] No concessions are needed for the pacifists.
[x] [RAZOR] No concessions are needed for the Jacobins.
[x] [BUND] Expand the rights and privileges of localities regarding cultural and political autonomy.
[x] [REVIEW] Mandate the creation of a constitutional review committee within the Assembly, made up of delegates, that must approve laws prior to their enactment.
[x] [STATE] No concessions are needed for the statists.
 
[X] [UNION] Make clear that pro-union speech, organizing, and work stoppages have special protections against government action.
[X] [FARM] Carve out a special exception for small farms regarding property seizures; those can only be taken with proven need and full compensation.
[X] [ARMY] Affirm the government's commitment to soldier and sailor pensions should their regular units be disbanded, regardless of prior affiliation.
[X] [PEACE] Require that any proactive declaration of war first be ratified by popular referendum.
[X] [RAZOR] Require that sectoral government ministers (War, Industry, Agriculture, etc) be elected by the constituencies they serve and be delegated appropriate executive powers relating to their mandate.
[X] [BUND] Expand the rights and privileges of localities regarding cultural and political autonomy.
[X] [REVIEW] Mandate the creation of a constitutional review committee within the Assembly, made up of delegates, that must approve laws prior to their enactment.
[X] [STATE] No concessions are needed for the statists.
 
[X] [UNION] Make clear that pro-union speech, organizing, and work stoppages have special protections against government action.
[X] [FARM] Carve out a special exception for small farms regarding property seizures; those can only be taken with proven need and full compensation.
[X] [ARMY] Affirm the government's commitment to soldier and sailor pensions should their regular units be disbanded, regardless of prior affiliation.
[X] [PEACE] No concessions are needed for the pacifists.
[X] [RAZOR] Require that sectoral government ministers (War, Industry, Agriculture, etc) be elected by the constituencies they serve and be delegated appropriate executive powers relating to their mandate.
[x] [BUND] Expand the rights and privileges of localities regarding cultural and political autonomy.
[x] [REVIEW] No concessions are needed for the constitutionalists.
[x] [STATE] No concessions are needed for the statists.
 
[X] [UNION] Make clear that pro-union speech, organizing, and work stoppages have special protections against government action.
[X] [FARM] Carve out a special exception for small farms regarding property seizures; those can only be taken with proven need and full compensation.
[X] [ARMY] Affirm the government's commitment to soldier and sailor pensions should their regular units be disbanded, regardless of prior affiliation.
[X] [PEACE] Require that any proactive declaration of war first be ratified by popular referendum.
[X] [RAZOR] No concessions are needed for the Jacobins.
[X] [BUND] Expand the rights and privileges of localities regarding cultural and political autonomy.
[X] [REVIEW] No concessions are needed for the constitutionalists.
[X] [STATE] No concessions are needed for the statists.
 
[X] [PEACE] No concessions are needed for the pacifists.
[X] [RAZOR] Require that sectoral government ministers (War, Industry, Agriculture, etc) be elected by the constituencies they serve and be delegated appropriate executive powers relating to their mandate.
[X] [STATE] Raise the requirements for citizen-initiated referenda in order to improve national stability.
 
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    The Constitution of 1880: Conclusion
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    • The Constitution of 1880: Conclusion​

    Following the Second German Revolution, the Constitutional Convention sets an ambitious, idealistic tone punctuated with bursts of strategic pragmatism. What emerges is a document unlike anything anyone has ever seen before. The Constitution of 1880 enshrines not just liberal democratic values, but socialist values from multiple tendencies, as well as a strain of neo-Jacobinism that has been with the Republic since its birth.

    An astounding 77% of voters turn out to register their thoughts on the constitution; with the enfranchisement of adult women, this is easily the largest election in German, if not human, history. When asked the question "Do you ratify the Constitution of 1880?" 68% of voters, convinced either by principle or compromise, vote "Yes."

    The Second Republic thus formally stakes its existence on a tremendous bet: that it can abolish class distinction, raise up the poor, shelter the homeless, and feed the hungry, all while maintaining its authority and growing prosperity for its other citizens. It promises innovation, equality, and the most powerful commodity of all: hope. Hope, not just for millions of Germans, but for billions of people in all countries, everywhere.

    Whether this Second Republic rises or falls in the coming years is of utmost importance, but neither outcome can nullify what has taken place. This statement of radical principles has now been formally endorsed by a major government. It carries the weight of armies behind it. Across the face of the known world, the oppressed look up from their endless labor, and they see light on the horizon for the first time.

    Nothing will ever be the same again.


    That concludes the first phase of Springtime of Nations. We have officially ended the liberal republic and now move into the radical-socialist republic. Thanks and congratulations to everyone who has participated thus far. I couldn't have done it without you.

    With the winter holidays approaching, I'm going to take a pretty substantial break. It'll last until at least after the new year, which should give everyone time to decompress and relax, especially me.

    Until then, I wish everyone happy holidays and an excellent new year. I'll see you all in 2022.

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    A Brief State of the World: 1880
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    • A Brief State of the World: 1880​

    This is a brief summary of foreign affairs at the time of the Constitutional Convention as pertains primarily to Germany and German interests.

    Europe
    The European continent has stood paralyzed for almost a decade, gripped by the twin specters of economic depression and political revolution. The prospect of a recovery fueled by the steady output of German industry collapsed with the advent of the civil war, and continental economies have languished amidst trade wars and bank failures. Several formerly prominent banks in Britain, having lent recklessly to the German government among others, have since folded in the face of dramatic uncertainty, further reducing available credit.

    The heavy-handed intervention into the German Civil War by Austria and Russia has realigned continental politics once again. The two eastern empires are now firmly allied by reactionary fear and the prospect of post-revolutionary reprisals, while Britain and France have mended fences and resumed their prior amity in order to serve as a counterweight against absolutism. Only Spain stands as a reliable ally of the German Republic, its government much like Germany's in party composition if not structure. Italy keeps to its part of the Triple Alliance, if only out of trepidation at French designs on Savoy, but the radical nature of the German socialist revolution makes such a cession more and more palatable as time goes on.

    Polarization has likewise set in among the lesser nations of Europe. Portugal and the Low Countries have aligned themselves with the Anglo-French alliance, while Denmark and Sweden have all but thrown their lots in with the Austro-Russian league, more out of fear of Germany than any other shared ideals.

    Further south, the Ottoman Empire leans heavily on Western support against further Russian incursions, having declared bankruptcy only half a decade previously, and is in no shape to throw its weight behind anyone. Their loss in the most recent war led to the highly punitive Treaty of San Stefano, in which Russia and Austria pried Romania, Serbia, Montenegro, and a vast new Bulgarian state loose from Ottoman Europe. Efforts by Britain and France to intervene went unheeded, and only the sale of Cyprus to the British government has kept Ottoman finances from total oblivion.

    Perhaps the most unexpected outcome of the last decade has been rumblings within Russia of a territorial reorganization. Rumors have filtered in from St. Petersburg of the prospect of a new western Grand Duchy to serve as a buffer against Germany. Should it be structured similarly to the accommodation in Finland, this could well mean some form of Polish autonomy within the Russian Empire, if only to reorient its people against the western foe.

    The Americas
    As the United States painstakingly staggers its way out of the Great Depression, it remains at odds with an expansionist British regime. American dollars and rifles continue to prop up the Mexican resistance forces led by General Porfirio Diaz against the British-backed Iturbide regime; as the financial crisis has moved forward, British investment in Mexico has declined, giving Diaz the upper hand against the flagging Empire. Many international observers consider the puppet government's fall to be merely a matter of time.

    In a contentious and highly disputed election, Representative James G. Blaine triumphs over Governor Samuel Tilden in 1876, inaugurating the rise of the so-called "Half-Breed" faction of moderate Republicans. Having thoroughly broken planter power in the American South, the United States now moves to fully reintegrate its formerly rebellious areas through less coercive means, potentially signaling a broader shift toward reconciliation.

    Under the leadership of reformist Guatemalan President Justo Rufino Barrios, and in response to the grinding depression that has caused a plummet in export prices, the nations of Central America establish the Union of Central American States in the late 1870s. While the Iturbide regime is decisively against a united Central American government, it is far too busy with the Diaz rebels in the north to contemplate intervention.

    Asia
    In Japan, the imperial government successfully puts down a samurai revolt in the province of Satsuma, ending the power of the feudal nobility and paving the way for further reforms. Japan's growing financial needs and interest in naval reform steadily eclipse Italy's ability to support them, resulting in a turn toward British aid. This further strengthens the Japanese democratic movement, which calls for a constitutional monarchy.

    Absent German support, Qing China languishes. A diplomatic incident that resulted in the death of a British explorer leads to further concessions made and treaty ports opened. Unrest against foreign colonialism and Qing capitulation grows.

    Anglo-Japanese diplomatic pressure forces the French to make several concessions regarding its Korean protectorate, opening the territory up to foreign investment and exploitation. Though Japan is temporarily satisfied by the arrangement, its growing external interests are quickly becoming apparent.
     
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    • Welcome back, and the world is on the path to a firestorm.

    We might had made the Great Depression of this timeline
     
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