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Spells in Silence (Harry Potter)

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Guardian-Javier said:
In the case of Newt it is explained that a person expelled after they completes their OWLs to be deemed good enough at controlling their magic that their wand isn't snapped, implying that the reason the wand is snapped before that is because they're considered a danger to themselves and others.

As for Hagrid he kept the pieces of his wand and was able to cast with it but he mentioned he was forbidden from doing so, although that was lifted after he was absolved after CoS, so I guess part of the reason he was allowed to be employed by Hogwarts was as a way to keep an eye on him.
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That's not evidence for the existence of magic binding...and in fact is evidence that magic binding isn't a THING in Harry Potter. That's not even getting into how stupid the practice would be. Remember that what can be bound can also be unbound and all it would take is one Smart Dark lord willing to do so and they would have a ready made army of loyal minions.
Although with all this talk about Expulsion, i have to say as someone with a bit of an insider view into the Administration side of Education that Expelling a Student is not something done lightly. It is seen as an action of last resort and carries a bunch of legal issues alongside it(in this case Hazel may be breaking School Rules by not attending class but she isn't doing anything ILLEGAL persay). I suspect even in a backwards Wizarding World Expulsion is not something they want to be doing with regularity...otherwise your just creating a growing number of malcontents that only want to hurt the establishment.
 
Isheepzu said:
That's not evidence for the existence of magic binding...and in fact is evidence that magic binding isn't a THING in Harry Potter. That's not even getting into how stupid the practice would be. Remember that what can be bound can also be unbound and all it would take is one Smart Dark lord willing to do so and they would have a ready made army of loyal minions.
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When did I mentioned binding? All I said was that the Ministry told Hagrid "Don't do Magic or else" and Hagrid said "Ok (fingers crossed behind his back)", at least until his name was cleared, then he was allowed again, since I doubt they would let someone be a professor if they can't cast, even though for some reason he never got another wand.
 
Time for a short omake for this based on a comment from our host......

This is Sally An Mr writer sir and I will not be Hazels support pet at all. I demand to be at least her girlfriend at the least. I know we are only 11 years old right now. But I will not show up for the next chapter until you have it writing that I get to be her other half dang it.
(Pulls a light saber that is red out and lights it.) Do not make have to go alldark side goth on you Mr. Watchers sir.
 
Ckosacranoid said:
This is Sally An Mr writer sir and I will not be Hazels support pet at all. I demand to be at least her girlfriend at the least. I know we are only 11 years old right now. But I will not show up for the next chapter until you have it writing that I get to be her other half dang it.
(Pulls a light saber that is red out and lights it.) Do not make have to go alldark side goth on you Mr. Watchers sir.
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Authorship is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
 
See, what Hazel could do is idly bringing up wanting to go back to Germany again, and use that to segway into talking about her Hag friends. Suddenly, all the professors will do their best to get her to stay.
 
0th Law said:
See, what Hazel could do is idly bringing up wanting to go back to Germany again, and use that to segway into talking about her Hag friends. Suddenly, all the professors will do their best to get her to stay.
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She hasn't exactly even tried to hide that. She straight up told people about the werewolves and hags, but they simply don't believe her.
 
FictionPack said:
Soap takes time, finite is an instantaneous effect, when you are affected by a Spell in a bad situation you don't want to take minutes washing it away.
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Sure, but doing similar things with different methods tends not to have identical results; Hazel's form of magic, based primarily in physical metaphors and visualization, can absolutely have weaknesses in things like metamagic that are poorly suited to such methods.

TheMagister said:
It's a credit to the writing though that there was never any question in my mind of her reaching out to help.
Her entire life has been a series of people that were meant to help her turning their backs on her or actively working against her. She has never had any reason to trust people and you can feel that viscerally from the way you have her look at the world.

It's left her a lot more lonely then she lets on a lot of the time though, hell one of the only reasons she even came to Hogwarts was to find more people like her.
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Not sure I'd call that a credit to the writing, if the intent is that the character is to some extent making their own problems worse and the reader is led to ignore that and sympathize fully with the character. Then again, protagonist-centric morality is an easy trap for the reader to fall into no matter how hard the writer tries to make it clear otherwise, so...
 
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Y'know, when you think about it, the whole thing with Hazel's living situation (or rather, lack thereof) more or less has to come to a head by the end of the school year at the latest, but is significantly more likely to do so around the holidays. Unless, of course, Hazel decides to stay at Hogwarts over the holidays, which I find rather unlikely. At the very least, Sally-Anne will probably end up learning, but Dumbledore has at least a decent shot himself, what with the Cloak of Invisibility & stuff. Just depends on if he decides to mail the present to her, and if so, the extent to which he ensures that it reaches its intended recipient
 
Hazel will probably end up going away to visit her Wolf Family before Christmas day even comes around and it wouldnt even occur to her that there might be presents for her back at Hogwarts. They will just sit there untouched until she comes back.

I doubt she was ever one to look forward to Christmas presents. I cant really recall but didnt canon Harry only ever get Dudleys hand me downs as Christmas 'presents'? Did this Hazel get anything?
 
Silently Watches said:
It's early to mid October
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Does a month of regular meals mean that Hazel is less acutely malnourished than she has been? I know she commented on the availability of food, but at least at the beginning her appetite remained anemic. Is she getting any healthier?

Also, I haven't seen any more mentions of her throat hurting, even in her direct conversation with Quirrelmort. I'm sure it helps that she stopped attending DADA, but I'm curious how much this has continued to be a problem at meals, etc., and if she still writes it off as "oh I must have swallowed wrong."
 
Solacen said:
I doubt she was ever one to look forward to Christmas presents. I cant really recall but didnt canon Harry only ever get Dudleys hand me downs as Christmas 'presents'? Did this Hazel get anything?
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Probably not hand-me-down clothing (because the Dursleys care about looking "proper", and while the size difference was excusable with Harry, Hazel is a girl and so got thrift store girl's clothing instead), but otherwise yes. It was honestly more about telling her without words that she wasn't really part of the family.

Ironically, she already knew this quite well because she could hear their hatred for her every minute of every day.
ccstat said:
Does a month of regular meals mean that Hazel is less acutely malnourished than she has been? I know she commented on the availability of food, but at least at the beginning her appetite remained anemic. Is she getting any healthier?
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Healthier? Yes. Is she eating the same sizes of meals as everyone else? No. Is she still a smol druidling? Absolutely.
ccstat said:
Also, I haven't seen any more mentions of her throat hurting, even in her direct conversation with Quirrelmort. I'm sure it helps that she stopped attending DADA, but I'm curious how much this has continued to be a problem at meals, etc., and if she still writes it off as "oh I must have swallowed wrong."
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It's been a while since I read book 1 cover to cover (I tend to skim through the books while writing, but that's more to verify what I already had planned), but I don't remember Harry's scar hurting ALL the time? It specifically started hurting more and more towards the end of the year.
 
Silently Watches said:
It's been a while since I read book 1 cover to cover (I tend to skim through the books while writing, but that's more to verify what I already had planned), but I don't remember Harry's scar hurting ALL the time? It specifically started hurting more and more towards the end of the year.
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I think this was because Voldemort was becoming more active towards the end of book one. If I remember correctly, the scar hurt more when Voldemort was directly thinking about him.

 
Silently Watches said:
I don't remember Harry's scar hurting ALL the time?
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No, I agree. It was fairly sporadic as far as I recall. I just rather expected Hazel's scar to hurt when she was in close proximity/direct conversation with a gleefully spiteful Voldemort who was discussing to take direct control. There's no reason to assume it would act up then, but it does seem like the sort of situation in which it might.
 
Solacen said:
I doubt she was ever one to look forward to Christmas presents. I cant really recall but didnt canon Harry only ever get Dudleys hand me downs as Christmas 'presents'? Did this Hazel get anything?
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Silently Watches said:
Probably not hand-me-down clothing (because the Dursleys care about looking "proper", and while the size difference was excusable with Harry, Hazel is a girl and so got thrift store girl's clothing instead), but otherwise yes. It was honestly more about telling her without words that she wasn't really part of the family.

Ironically, she already knew this quite well because she could hear their hatred for her every minute of every day.
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The Dursleys never gave Harry something so practical as hand-me-down clothing for Christmas that I remember. Though maybe they did that once before the series started? In any case the two presents I remember are a single used sock, probably one that had lost its pair, and a 50 pence coin. I'd assume that rather than making the clothes gifts, they would wait until Dudley outgrew them and then hand them over to Harry with a long lecture about how expensive clothes are and how grateful he should be that they were even bothering to give him any (not that you'd mind running around naked, you silly little freak, but at least try to act normal.) If they were giving Hazel clothes they actually bought specifically for her I'd expect an even worse lecture, maybe even a few weeks of mandatory chores where she knows the clothes have been bought but still has to put up with the previous ill-fitting clothes to earn her "reward."

Of course the Dursleys might also have just assumed that the ratty clothes were insult enough, but somehow I doubt it. When if came to belittling the mage in their house they tend to be stupendously unreasonable.
 
Sivantic said:
I am pretty sure they gave him a single tissue. The used sock was his gift to Dobby.
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Yeah, that sounds about right. I could swear there was a crusty sock in there somewhere when he was reminiscing about past Christmases, but it's been ages since I actually read the books.
 
Sivantic said:
I am pretty sure they gave him a single tissue. The used sock was his gift to Dobby.
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speaking of Dobby, I am curious how the different (and much less cringe!) House Elf vibe will factor into Dobby's plotline/existence or lack thereof?

I suppose it doesn't actually change it much - Dobby can still be a slave and still be freed since he was owned by the Malfoys, not the school
 
So is she just gonna up and leave Hogwarts like she did the Dursleys? Because not gonna lie I kinda want to see that happen. I also really want to see what else she can find out about the world from traveling it. Just having her ditch Hogwarts would be hilarious. Have her go stay with the hags or head back to Greece or Rome to investigate those magical communities.
 
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