Or even that they only got the snappy Triumvirate name after Hero died, but all four become known retroactively as the Quadrumvirate when people talk about the original 4, since the name Triumvirate is so well known people will naturally look to a variation of it for the group name.
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No no no, Fourumvirate flows much better, PR man, PR!
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she might have done her whole "Wait to see if they fight back before saving them" but I don't remember and I'm not wasting my time going back to look
that would make no sense, since they where prepping the trap for her. She had been told this by Emma in a coded message. And she had already established that Taylor was someone that fought back when they first met and she stod up against sofia. so no, she wasn't.
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Nah, at that point she would just die from the stress....or from trying to kill Taylor in a fit of PTSD.
punster lv1
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Time for some pointless pedantry.
Due to the unique peculiarities of her situation (by the way is unique peculiarities redundant or not?)
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There should probably be a word there
The but seems unnecessary
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Wait, what fresh hell is this? Sanity being exhibited by parts of the PRT?!?
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I think they weren't Quadrumvirate but The Founders, when Hero died they changed the name to Triumvirate because they ceased to be ALL the Protectorate's founders.
Everyone please reread chapter 1 as it shows from Taylor's point of view for both her first view of Sophia and her twisting her closest friend and her view of how Sophia kept provoking those who she could see were associated with the major criminal gangs and her own general contempt for Sophia due to those observations. So Taylor probably subconsciously views Sophia as being like those idiots who pokes the kaiju and then gets a surprise Pikachu face when city-level-and-up collateral damage occurs (even before her link up with Godzilla).
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Here's the thing that kinda bothers me: It's hinted in either the previous chapter or the one before it that the local Protectorate tried to call in reinforcements and no matter who they called: Lung still beat them.
Now keep in mind, I love this story and whatever comes of this discussion won't effect my future reading, I just want opinions and thoughts.
Back to topic: To me that sounds off. Like in my own headcanon, Lung only survived because the Cauldron's Experiment in Brockton Bay backfired on the PRT/Protectorate's Capability to respond. It's the only way I can see the Triumverate not coming down and squashing him to in a show of force, to make sure a second Lung doesn't happen, or if not the Triumvirate, a Team dedicated to dealing with extreme heavy hitters. Either that, or he's an explicit PtV plant, and Contessa is using her connection to Cauldron to keep him untouched.
That all said, the Second issue that comes from this: Having the Protectorate OVERALL fail to contain this guy means that Lung is an even LARGER PR disaster than he would have been in my headcanon above, likely even one of the biggest ever faced by a US Gov't agency. The Protectorate and PRT FAILED, the whole organization...in a fashion that everyone saw. In fact, the more I think about it, the more this likely just adds to the list of failures of the PRT: The Slaughterhouse 9, Ellisburg, The Machine things(if they count), Gesselschaft outright having Assets in the US acting towards instability(and WINNING), and now LUNG took on almost the entire protectorate and kicked the shit out of them. It's no wonder more people join the villans than the heroic organizations, the US(If not many other nations as well) is fracturing and breaking under the strain of Cauldron's "MOAR CAPES, MOAR TRAUMA, MOAR TRIGGERS!!!" Doctrine, and the Government apparently can't do anything to protect a good portion of it's population. It's not even like DC or Marvel where there's always the Justice League, Avengers, or a variety of other teams that can come together and put some serious boot to ass when shit gets real...thus stabilizing things.
*Sigh* Sorry, that went a bit farther than I thought.
Now keep in mind, I love this story and whatever comes of this discussion won't effect my future reading, I just want opinions and thoughts.
Back to topic: To me that sounds off. Like in my own headcanon, Lung only survived because the Cauldron's Experiment in Brockton Bay backfired on the PRT/Protectorate's Capability to respond. It's the only way I can see the Triumverate not coming down and squashing him to in a show of force, to make sure a second Lung doesn't happen, or if not the Triumvirate, a Team dedicated to dealing with extreme heavy hitters. Either that, or he's an explicit PtV plant, and Contessa is using her connection to Cauldron to keep him untouched.
That all said, the Second issue that comes from this: Having the Protectorate OVERALL fail to contain this guy means that Lung is an even LARGER PR disaster than he would have been in my headcanon above, likely even one of the biggest ever faced by a US Gov't agency. The Protectorate and PRT FAILED, the whole organization...in a fashion that everyone saw. In fact, the more I think about it, the more this likely just adds to the list of failures of the PRT: The Slaughterhouse 9, Ellisburg, The Machine things(if they count), Gesselschaft outright having Assets in the US acting towards instability(and WINNING), and now LUNG took on almost the entire protectorate and kicked the shit out of them. It's no wonder more people join the villans than the heroic organizations, the US(If not many other nations as well) is fracturing and breaking under the strain of Cauldron's "MOAR CAPES, MOAR TRAUMA, MOAR TRIGGERS!!!" Doctrine, and the Government apparently can't do anything to protect a good portion of it's population. It's not even like DC or Marvel where there's always the Justice League, Avengers, or a variety of other teams that can come together and put some serious boot to ass when shit gets real...thus stabilizing things.
*Sigh* Sorry, that went a bit farther than I thought.
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My thought on the Lung vs Protectorate fight was that when Lung first showed up and put the beatdown on the first hero, reinforcements showed up piecemeal. Sort of like: hero number 2 shows up just as hero number 1 goes down for the count, and then lasts in the fight just long enough for hero number 3 to show up. This way, Lung isn't fighting the entire might of the Protectorate, he's fighting the city's heroes one at a time. And with each fight causing Lung to ramp up (or stay at his current level at least), beating a gauntlet of the city's heroes is entirely doable.
Once Lung has finished the beatdown conga, the perception is; Lung defeated the entire Protectorate. Thus, Lung is considered unbeatable, and plans for everyone attacking Lung simultaneously and in concert are shelved permanently.
Shintouyu
A Wandering Soul
Clearly, they were originally The Fantastic Four but trademarks and copyrights, man.
And I don't think they could be "The Founders" in the time before the Protectorate was officially established, hence "Quadrumvirate," that's all.
So just to make it more clear why Lung is like this in STA, this is what Canon Taylor thought of Lung during her First Night Out:
So there was definitely an impression that Lung could take on the whole of the Brockton Bay's Protectorate and come out on top. Though, this admittedly also runs at odd with how Taylor gets surprised that Lung wasn't considered an A-Lister, which seems like really early installment weirdness.He went by 'Lung', had successfully gone toe to toe with whole teams of heroes and had managed to keep himself out of jail, as evidenced by his presence here.
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Anyways, canonically, Brockton Bay wasn't the first place Lung came to when he arrived to America. He appeared somewhere else and started his career of beating up heroes and villains alike while creating the ABB (and recruiting Oni Lee), all before he settled down in Brockton Bay.
So it's my presumption that Lung should in-universe have a big reputation of punking the PROT as he went eastward, so the BB-PROT failing to beat Lung was just the latest but expected failure (so this would be egg on the whole of the PROT's face, rather than just BB-PROT). That said, since Lung was fighting on the go, he probably never exhibited a great deal of his powers, so when he decided to stake his claims in BB, the local PROT was absolutely not prepared for how far he could actually ramp-up (and Lung beating him is probably that one huge blemish on Armsmaster's near-perfect record).
Now, when it looked like Lung was settling down in Brockton Bay, the PROT couldn't just let this insult to their credibility go, so they start sending reinforcements. Unfortunately, this didn't exactly work out well. In most likelihood, Lung didn't outright beat all the reinforcements but he didn't lose to them either. And, really, there was no need for Lung to do everything by himself -- so it wasn't just Lung the PROT had to deal with now but also Oni Lee, Dokkaebi, Jiangshi, etc. Meanwhile, the E88 were naturally taking advantage of the situation while the PROT were focusing on the ABB. Eventually, the escalating damage to the city had the PROT and residents going "Well shit, is there going to be a city if we keep this up?" and they just gave up on trying to uproot him.
Now, on meta-Knowledge side of things, yeah, it's probably Cauldron shenanigans keeping Lung in place. Like, even without Contessa's guiding hand, the Triumvirate (or heads of the Protectorate) did try to recruit Lung after his fight against Leviathan in Kyushu -- but he turned them away each time, so the group already knew that he was a useful asset against the Endbringers and maybe Scion, and decided to keep him in play (like how they apparently let Grey Boy run wild with the S9 until they decided it wasn't worth it anymore).
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CAULDRON making a sensible decision? Deciding something wasn't worth it? Are we talking about the same taco cart here? After all, their whole motto is practically 'anything is worth our atrocities since it's for the greater good'.
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The one that got loose and killed all the Cerberus staff working on it?
I mean, if by "deciding it wasn't worth it anymore" you mean "didn't think it was worth getting on Glaistig Uaine's bad side," then yeah it wasn't worth it anymore.
And to be fair to Cauldron, if they did make a taco cart, it would be a Case 53 Taco Cart horrible abomination that wants to kill them, but at least it would act as a smokescreen against their big bad. At least when Cauldron's experiments inevitably go wrong and try to kill them with some form of karmic justice, their leaders aren't actively being subverted and mastered by their enemy. So maybe not better, but at least a different kind of failure.
And to be fair to Cauldron, if they did make a taco cart, it would be a Case 53 Taco Cart horrible abomination that wants to kill them, but at least it would act as a smokescreen against their big bad. At least when Cauldron's experiments inevitably go wrong and try to kill them with some form of karmic justice, their leaders aren't actively being subverted and mastered by their enemy. So maybe not better, but at least a different kind of failure.
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Another possibilty I thought of with regards to Lung, is that the details of how his regeneration works might have resulted in things being tilted against the BB Protectorate's favor, but not necessarily against the Empire's; and explain why a newbie cape on her first night out only really needed the assistance of one other cape (Bitch, though Regent was useful in keeping them safe) was able to basically body the dragon.
In particular, unless I'm mistaken, I'm fairly certain every member of the BB Protectorate could have their power summed up as "hit them really hard", while the Empire has at least a few capes who's power isn't.
Thus, the idea I had was that Lung actually has two different "regeneration" powers. The first regeneration factor, and most well-known, almost works somewhat like Uber's power but for injuries. Basically, if you punch Lung in the gut, his regeneration factor might take a minute to clear out the damage caused. If you then punch him in the stomach a second time, it would take half a minute instead; a third time would be even shorter, a fourth shorter than that until you get to a point where he's healing from gut shots almost faster than you're hurting him.
The second regen factor works more by spreading all of the effects of the damage he takes over time, rather than needing to heal everything right now; coupled with a low level general healing factor.
The weakness, then, comes from the fact that his primary regen always prioritizes the source of the greatest damage he is currently suffering from, and that his regen factor starts over everytime it switches what type of injury it's dealing with. Basically, if you again start off by punching Lung in the gut, it'd take a minute to heal. If you then tase'd Lung, it'd also take a minute to heal. With a follow up punch still needing a minute to heal.
And considering insect venoms can deal damage in a startling variety of ways, Taylor's power makes her almost uniquely suited to fighting Lung, though having a beat stick to apply alternative forms of damage certainly doesn't hurt.
In particular, unless I'm mistaken, I'm fairly certain every member of the BB Protectorate could have their power summed up as "hit them really hard", while the Empire has at least a few capes who's power isn't.
Thus, the idea I had was that Lung actually has two different "regeneration" powers. The first regeneration factor, and most well-known, almost works somewhat like Uber's power but for injuries. Basically, if you punch Lung in the gut, his regeneration factor might take a minute to clear out the damage caused. If you then punch him in the stomach a second time, it would take half a minute instead; a third time would be even shorter, a fourth shorter than that until you get to a point where he's healing from gut shots almost faster than you're hurting him.
The second regen factor works more by spreading all of the effects of the damage he takes over time, rather than needing to heal everything right now; coupled with a low level general healing factor.
The weakness, then, comes from the fact that his primary regen always prioritizes the source of the greatest damage he is currently suffering from, and that his regen factor starts over everytime it switches what type of injury it's dealing with. Basically, if you again start off by punching Lung in the gut, it'd take a minute to heal. If you then tase'd Lung, it'd also take a minute to heal. With a follow up punch still needing a minute to heal.
And considering insect venoms can deal damage in a startling variety of ways, Taylor's power makes her almost uniquely suited to fighting Lung, though having a beat stick to apply alternative forms of damage certainly doesn't hurt.
punster lv1
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I think the Empire also relied on: a) Purity, whose power is "hit them really really hard" (and is less concerned about collateral damage than the heroes have to be) and b) Lung not showing up much.
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My understanding is that Purity isn't so much "hit them really hard" as it is "Extreme Burninating" as she fires lasers. Plus, I don't think it's exactly an accident that Purity seems like she most often worked with Night (Hit them really hard) and Fog (Dissolve them). Thus having access to a fair spectrum of damage to deal to Lung.
Drakind
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To be fair Grey Boy is basically high tier magic. It was quite possible they couldn't do anything about GB.
So remember that GB took down Jack Slash and by WoG it is impossible for Jack to lose against a Parahuman. Meaning that GB probably plays by different rules than anyone else. So it is possible that there was no action to take down GB because Contessa couldn't path one and they didn't want to risk Eidolon on a maybe.
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Which leads to a fun Rock-Paper-Scissors thing; King was able to ignore Grey Boy's power, Grey Boy is able to screw over Jack Slash, and Jack Slash was able to kill King.
It's possible that what screwed Jack over wasn't that he could never lose to a parahuman, it's that his power normally helps him avoid the whole "Knowing how fast that rhino is moving doesn't help if you don't have the power to move out of its way".
It's possible that what screwed Jack over wasn't that he could never lose to a parahuman, it's that his power normally helps him avoid the whole "Knowing how fast that rhino is moving doesn't help if you don't have the power to move out of its way".
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So it's not RoShamBo, it's King>Grey Boy, Jack Slash>King, if Grey Boy attacks out of no-where, Grey Boy>Jack Slash, but if Jack has some time to talk, then Jack>Everyone but Taylor.
