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tri2 said:
edit: does this mean we can literally spam wind jutsu all day and night for a week without problems?

wind blessed 75% reduction to chakra use
chakra contrl 50% reduction
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With high kage level reserves we can probably just vomit S rank wind jutsu at people for literal days.

Also we are the chosen one!
 
@tri2 I imagine that it goes through the 75% for wind, and then takes the 50% off of what is left in total after that.

Otherwise, we would Be the Wind.
 
Funeral Pyre said:
@tri2 I imagine that it goes through the 75% for wind, and then takes the 50% off of what is left in total after that.

Otherwise, we would Be the Wind.
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so 87.5% chakra reduction to all wind jutsu, plus kage reserves

edit: that means when we hit puberty we will probably have enough chakra to rival Shukaku the one tail beast
 
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tri2 said:
but earth + wind would let us get....oh cool we can get magnet release/
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I was thinking more on bullshit farming techniquies our chakra control has bought us. Ice release?

Anyway, has our older brother had his chakra tested?

edit: Can we make diamonds?
 
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tri2 said:
but earth + wind would let us get....oh cool we can get magnet release/
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Doubtful, you need more then just a strong affinity for two elements to turn them into a combined nature release. Specifically you need the ability to use both nature transformations at the same time in order to get a combined element and doing that requires either a bloodline limit or a bijuu that can use that specific combined element(in this case the one tail).
 
GhostKing 666 said:
Doubtful, you need more then just a strong affinity for two elements to turn them into a combined nature release. Specifically you need the ability to use both nature transformations at the same time in order to get a combined element and doing that requires either a bloodline limit or a bijuu that can use that specific combined element(in this case the one tail).
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Naruto and Hiruzen can possibly do it with shadow clones, basically a combination jutsu. so perfect chakra control plus shadow clone combining the two in a pure neutral chakra shell should let us replicate magnet release?
 
GhostKing 666 said:
Doubtful, you need more then just a strong affinity for two elements to turn them into a combined nature release. Specifically you need the ability to use both nature transformations at the same time in order to get a combined element and doing that requires either a bloodline limit or a bijuu that can use that specific combined element(in this case the one tail).
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Thing is, I don't think one requires one of those two to do it. Because when we learn about nature transformations and bloodlines and what not, its noted that mastering an element is hard. So hard, most great ninja only ever truely master 1. They can use the others, but aren't masters of them. We, however, get to skip that step. We are already a Master at two of them. While it'd probably be tricky to figure out how to do them simultaneously, it seems far from impossible.
 
tri2 said:
Naruto and Hiruzen can possibly do it with shadow clones, basically a combination jutsu. so perfect chakra control plus shadow clone combining the two in a pure neutral chakra shell should let us replicate magnet release?
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The closest Hiruzen ever came to combining elements was from using two elemental jutsu's at the same time to augment each other.
Same for Jiraiya
And Kakuzu


Frankly if using combined Nature Transformation was that easy then they probably wouldn't be considered bloodline limits.

Trondason said:
Thing is, I don't think one requires one of those two to do it. Because when we learn about nature transformations and bloodlines and what not, its noted that mastering an element is hard. So hard, most great ninja only ever truely master 1. They can use the others, but aren't masters of them. We, however, get to skip that step. We are already a Master at two of them. While it'd probably be tricky to figure out how to do them simultaneously, it seems far from impossible.
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You are wrong on two counts, first Kakashi said that most Jounin can use at least two elements. And two, Combined Nature Transformation is a bloodline limit, it takes more then just good chakra control and an elemental affinity for two or more elements to make a Combined Nature Transformation. Unless you have a Bloodline Limit, or the chakra of one or more bijuu with the ability to use said elements, then you simply aren't going to be able to use Combined Nature Transformation jutsu just like how no amount of focusing chakra to your eyes will cause you to spontaneously develop a Sharingan.
 
The only thing I got from your post is that Kakashi reveals and confirms that Haku is a boy in canon
 
GhostKing 666 said:
You are wrong on two counts, first Kakashi said that most Jounin can use at least two elements. And two, Combined Nature Transformation is a bloodline limit, it takes more then just good chakra control and an elemental affinity for two or more elements to make a Combined Nature Transformation. Unless you have a Bloodline Limit, or the chakra of one or more bijuu with the ability to use said elements, then you simply aren't going to be able to use Combined Nature Transformation jutsu just like how no amount of focusing chakra to your eyes will cause you to spontaneously develop a Sharingan.
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The first hokage who could use wood release disagrees. His brother didn't have wood release, neither did Tsunade...
 
Marlin said:
The first hokage who could use wood release disagrees. His brother didn't have wood release, neither did Tsunade...
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It is also true that not everyone gets the same traits in families, especially when a family grows older. In Naruto canon, look at Naruto not having red hair like ever other known Uzumaki.
 
tri2 said:
The only thing I got from your post is that Kakashi reveals and confirms that Haku is a boy in canon
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If you cant see the pictures then look up Chapter 316, just like the spoiler title says. Using two or more Nature Transfromations together to create a Combined Nature Transfomation is a Bloodline Limit, something that requires you to either be born being able to do, have a Bijuu who does it for you, or let yourself be experimented on by Orochimaru.

Marlin said:
The first hokage who could use wood release disagrees. His brother didn't have wood release, neither did Tsunade...
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Because they did not inherent the Bloodline Limit. Whatever specific gene mutation that gave Hashirama his Wood Release bloodline limit, it was a very rare and recessive trait. Not something that was easily passed on, or even spliced into another person's DNA(though that was probably more to do with the limitations of Orochimaru's technology and methods).

Combined Nature Transformations are goddamn bloodline limits, they were called that all the way back in the Wave Arc with Haku and the series has kept calling them that all the way into Baruto. There is very little wiggle room here, just be freaking satisfied that Akashi is a rediculus super prodigy with the Wind, Lightning and Earth elements, Bullshit Yang Chakra and a pretty good affinity for the Water element.

Deathvon said:
It is also true that not everyone gets the same traits in families, especially when a family grows older. In Naruto canon, look at Naruto not having red hair like ever other known Uzumaki.
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Or those Chakra chains his mother and Karin have.
 
GhostKing 666 said:
Because they did not inherent the Bloodline Limit. Whatever specific gene mutation that gave Hashirama his Wood Release bloodline limit, it was a very rare and recessive trait. Not something that was easily passed on, or even spliced into another person's DNA(though that was probably more to do with the limitations of Orochimaru's technology and methods).

Combined Nature Transformations are goddamn bloodline limits, they were called that all the way back in the Wave Arc with Haku and the series has kept calling them that all the way into Baruto. There is very little wiggle room here, just be freaking satisfied that Akashi is a rediculus super prodigy with the Wind, Lightning and Earth elements, Bullshit Yang Chakra and a pretty good affinity for the Water element.
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And you just established our PC can have a bloodline limit through recessive genetics. We did obtain a nat 100 in air, and earth, that had to come from somewhere for the QM to call them natural.

But for bloodline limits to work in your theory Hashirama should have been able to pass down wood release through his bloodline.
 
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GhostKing 666 said:
If you cant see the pictures then look up Chapter 316, just like the spoiler title says. Using two or more Nature Transfromations together to create a Combined Nature Transfomation is a Bloodline Limit, something that requires you to either be born being able to do, have a Bijuu who does it for you, or let yourself be experimented on by Orochimaru.


Because they did not inherent the Bloodline Limit. Whatever specific gene mutation that gave Hashirama his Wood Release bloodline limit, it was a very rare and recessive trait. Not something that was easily passed on, or even spliced into another person's DNA(though that was probably more to do with the limitations of Orochimaru's technology and methods).

Combined Nature Transformations are goddamn bloodline limits, they were called that all the way back in the Wave Arc with Haku and the series has kept calling them that all the way into Baruto. There is very little wiggle room here, just be freaking satisfied that Akashi is a rediculus super prodigy with the Wind, Lightning and Earth elements, Bullshit Yang Chakra and a pretty good affinity for the Water element.


Or those Chakra chains his mother and Karin have.
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question, how can bijuus grant you ability to replicate blood line limit moves?
 
Marlin said:
And you just established our PC can have a bloodline limit through recessive genetics. We did obtain a nat 100 in air, and earth, that had to come from somewhere for the QM to call them natural.

But for bloodline limits to work in your theory Hashirama should have been able to pass down wood release through his bloodline.
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This isn't theory, this is fucking CANON, Hashirama's Wood Release was a bloodline limit that none of his kids or grandkids ever inherited because that can happen in genetics, especially for recessive traits. And Akashi was not born from some ninja clan that's been practicing eugenics for hundreds of years, the odds that he would have a first generation bloodline limit are ridiculous. Just be happy with the bullshit he already has rather then trying to make him into true mary sue, constantly going around flipping the bird at how chakra and ninjutsu work in canon.

tri2 said:
question, how can bijuus grant you ability to replicate blood line limit moves?
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Because some of those Bijuu can use those Combined Elements, so their jinchuuriki "inherent" them from their Bijuu.
  • Shukaku manipulates sand via the Magnet Release
  • Son Goku generates and manipulates Lava via the Lava Release
  • Kokuo possesses the Steam Release
Other Bijuu have even weirder special abilities, Matatabi generates blue fire, Isobu can create coral, Saiken oozes acid, Chomei can create silk that can defend against Chakra Absorption jutsus, Gyuki makes ink and Kurama can sense negative emotions. All of which are abilities that their Jinchuuriki will also gain with the proper training.
 
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GhostKing 666 said:
Because some of those Bijuu can use those Combined Elements, so their jinchuuriki "inherent" them from their Bijuu.
  • Shukaku manipulates sand via the Magnet Release
  • Son Goku generates and manipulates Lava via the Lava Release
  • Kokuo possesses the Steam Release
Other Bijuu have even weirder special abilities, Matatabi generates blue fire, Isobu can create coral, Saiken oozes acid, Chomei can create silk that can defend against Chakra Absorption jutsus, Gyuki makes ink and Kurama can sense negative emotions. All of which are abilities that their Jinchuuriki will also gain.
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but the thing is that I am focusing on, is that they are not flesh and blood and therefore do not have a bloodline release, therefore I assume they are good enough with chakra to manually do bloodline techniques
 
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