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Semper Ad Meliora (Code Geass/Britannian Royalty Quest)

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ThatGuyWithIdeas said:
Whatever research we might get from Jaegar regarding Astrophysics, Archaeology and Psionics isn't going to matter if someone manages to break our cyber-security and find out all of our secrets and whatever research we have that we've kept a secret from the rest of Britannia, and if the OSI gets their hands on Bertrand, then the chance of our cyber-security being broken increases heavily. By taking Bertrand now, we make sure that no one can make use of him against us. Kenshin Jaegar isn't going anywhere, we could still try and recruit him later.
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Dude can you not fear monger? Because you kind of are by pretty much implying that we absolutely need to take this choice or else we are screwed. Which just seems insulting to the QM by implying that they are pretty much railroading us into this choice.
Angelform said:
You seem to be under the impression that Bertrand is the only super-hacker on the planet. Consider how many genius mech designers showed up in canon. Consider how many impossibly competent social and political manipulators there were. Consider how many transcendently skilled pilots are knocking about.
It is utter folly to think we can deny such capabilities to all the dozens of opposing factions we must contend with.

You can argue that Bertrand would be great to have to defend against enemy hackers. But we can get other cyber-security experts a heck of a lot easier than we can find someone else who knows about and can help us against the psi-conspiracy.
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This is also something to consider but Bertrand while good likely isn't the only hacker of his caliber considering the setting is full of people as talented as him. Also consider that Lelouch would likely not be putting every single one of his secrets into a digital format and we have seen that this is the case for even the higher ups of Britania who still seem to use pen and paper for important stuff like with Jeanne's recruitment letter.
 
Oh, man, I'm glad I found this.
We've got a whole clan of super-ninjas, we're a nascent Psychic God, we're about to get a super-genius scientist, and we managed to snag an ace pilot who was able to draw even with Suzaku Friggin' Kururugi and his literally supernatural skills on her own talents. And it's only 3 years in.

This is gonna be awesome.

[X] Dr. Kenshin Jaegar
 
Since we apparently can't code to save our life, I can only hope to live vicariously through our advisors.

[x] Bertrand Smith
 
[X] Bertrand Smith

We need the drones as a force multiplier and to soak up losses since we don't have many troops yet. Also, we can have him steal from other countries to boost out cash reserves, it did say he stole millions before

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Adhoc vote count started by Irritant on Jul 10, 2019 at 11:13 AM, finished with 69 posts and 52 votes.
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[X] Dr. Kenshin Jaegar

It's likely he know something about a certain shadowy psionic cabal.
 
ThatGuyWithIdeas said:
I'm certain that we can fix Bertrand and manage to convince him to reign in his desire to break the law for the thrill of it as we raise his SL. Also, unlike the other two choices, Bertrand has to be taken now or the OSI will take him instead. No matter what, we can not allow the OSI to get him, as it would heavily boost their capabilities of finding out secrets, which would become problematic for someone like us, who is specialized in Intrigue, if there's a situation where the OSI is investigating us.
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You're acting like we can reliably raise his SL when we have so many important ones to do.

There's also the fact that we have absolutely no indication that we can acquire any of them in a reasonable timeframe if we turn them down here. Hell, there's no indication we can acquire any of them later if we don't choose them now.

You're also acting like the OSI is our enemy, when our GM has stated on multiple occasions that this is a Loyal Britannian Royal quest.

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@Slayer Anderson who controls the OSI? I thought it was controlled by the Emperor, and it seemed to have deep connections canonically to the Geass Directorate. How does it work here?

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Haven't seen too much discussion on what people think the hidden plot hooks the options have, so I'll give my take.

Slayer Anderson said:
[ ] Bertrand Smith
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Obvious hook is we can get into spy games, but the less obvious one is that it's probably connected to the secret conspiracy stuff that exists in Code Geass. His personality could be natural, or it could be a result of reprogramming.

The kind of "anything goes as long as it helps Britannia" sounds a lot like what Charles did to Lelouch in the Akito OVAs to make Julius Kingsley to me.

Slayer Anderson said:
[ ] Dr. Hugo Zhishi
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Hot take, the girl is the real advisor. This one seems relatively normal hook wise to me. Maybe transhumanism for the secret conspiracy?

Slayer Anderson said:
[ ] Dr. Kenshin Jaegar
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Jump straight into the hidden conspiracy stuff, but also leverage the fact that there's bonus conspiracy we can delve into because of our unique artifact
 
[X] Bertrand Smith

Having re-watched the first season I couldn't help but notice that a lot of Lelouch's tactics involved battlefield control. Such wonderful examples include stealing IFF codes to know enemy positions, planting fake gas bombs, crashing a mountain on a third of the enemy forces. And of course my favorite, pulling the veritable rug out from under Cornelia's fortifications.

Getting 'collaborators' was one of Lelouch's favorite tactic and it worked pretty well for his opening moves in most conflicts. Without his Command Geass hacking the enemy or surveying them with drones is probably the next best thing. And these two super-scientists' audacity looks like it'd fit well with his style. Not to mention drones could help us preserve our forces, at least in regards to our ace pilots if we ever run out of luck.

Admittedly, we could potentially do something similar with the Psionics but I'm uncertain of it. Feels too much like the Mystery Box, still. We've already been told we don't really need a Piety adviser but I feel like having a Learning Adviser who is partly focused on the mystic is double-dipping into something that's not really required anymore.
 
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[X] Dr. Kenshin Jaegar

It's seems like the madman is our "best" choice here. While they might be just scientist images, both the lunatic and his friend feature in the "crazier ideas" side of not only what we've got so far, but also what we're trying to grab too. Astrophysics could be amazing, given time, and that's not even counting how archaeology might stack up with our orb/memories.

And, ofc, shadowy psy cabal is probably real and he might have actual insight into them. Or at least, maybe some potential security measures?

And barring all of that, he's a known polyglot. If we could leverage our time right, we could probably get him to teach us some more languages. Which should hopefully turn into a/more traits that hopefully build up our diploma bit. Or just expand our recruitment horizons. It's also probable that he has no loyalty to Schnizel at all, given his past and even current life. Bertrand might hate Schnizel/Schnizel dislike him, or worse, he's actually more loyal to him for being the prince who brought him in and everything. That could be awkward, just sayin.

Duly note: he's probably well known to said cabal, and any others similar. Him getting picked up will probably be known, and possibly traced back to us. It could be they were planning on kidnapping and convincing him to work for them. Could be that they were just fine with him going around providing them cover by trying to tell everyone he can about them. You never know.


However, we will be losing out on Bertrand, which is sad. He might not be the only super hacker around, and his criminal past might cause us some problems, but he would make an excellent intrigue supporter. And his assistant could be useful for drone development, and probably for the likes of IFF and other electronic military communication hardware. On the other side, they're missing out on a lot of normal stuff themselves, are of dubious levels on "holding back", and overall might be more willing to do law breaking actions....even when we don't tell them to. Drones would also probably be a costly path to take, similar to any actual space actions.

If we didn't have Kensin, I would've gone for Bertrand in a heartbeat. As it is, I would like our intrigue advisor to be someone who we can count on to back us up, and cover our intrigue weaknesses (few that they may be).
 
JaceAoT said:
So that's really interesting, seeing as I feel Bertrand Smith is the one most likely doing something that's really bad for us.
Dr Kenshin Jaegar is a well-known lunatic, and it's more specifically well-known that he's a lunatic. If he says something insane, people won't be too offended. This is even reflected in the mechanics.


Moreover his partner is completely sane. She is likely used to making excuses for his bad behaviour and I'd say it's more than likely she keeps his insanity at bay in some sense, restricting the really crazy crazy that's probably inside him.


Bertrand Smith on the other hand is well-known to do criminal things and have an almost complete disregard for what is against the law. The update specifically states that he likes doing things that are against the law for thrill.


In addition his partner has the same flaws and they complement each other in this bad behaviour.

All in all these seem like the sort of people we don't want to be our problem. The intrigue seems to suit us nicely, but it's really not in a way that I would like us to do intrigue.
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That logic seems questionable. It's bizarre that you mention Kenshin Jaegar's Special Feature, without also mentioning Bertrand Smith's. Bertrand's Special Feature is "Imperial Ethics - They enable law-breaking actions against the Britannian Empire itself as long as they can be justified for it's long-term gain and prosperity." That essentially negates what you were worried about.

Angelform said:
You seem to be under the impression that Bertrand is the only super-hacker on the planet. Consider how many genius mech designers showed up in canon. Consider how many impossibly competent social and political manipulators there were. Consider how many transcendently skilled pilots are knocking about.
It is utter folly to think we can deny such capabilities to all the dozens of opposing factions we must contend with.

You can argue that Bertrand would be great to have to defend against enemy hackers. But we can get other cyber-security experts a heck of a lot easier than we can find someone else who knows about and can help us against the psi-conspiracy.
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This is also bizarre. Quite clearly there aren't many super hackers with stats of 25 learning on the planet. If there were, we wouldn't have needed a huge critical success in order to recruit this guy. You could just as equally argue that there are plenty of people who could help us study psionics. Are you going to say that we shouldn't pick Kenshin Jaegar because there are dozens or hundreds of other people just as skilled at Psionics who could help our enemies, and who we ourselves could recruit?

Red Bovine said:
Dude can you not fear monger? Because you kind of are by pretty much implying that we absolutely need to take this choice or else we are screwed. Which just seems insulting to the QM by implying that they are pretty much railroading us into this choice.

This is also something to consider but Bertrand while good likely isn't the only hacker of his caliber considering the setting is full of people as talented as him. Also consider that Lelouch would likely not be putting every single one of his secrets into a digital format and we have seen that this is the case for even the higher ups of Britania who still seem to use pen and paper for important stuff like with Jeanne's recruitment letter.
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I don't think that @ThatGuyWithIdeas is fear mongering. They are instead making the salient point that cyber security, and lack thereof, is very important. It's no more fear mongering than suggesting we miss out on the opportunity of researching psionics by not getting Kenshin Jaegar. There are costs to going with any option instead of the others, and being reminded of that is simply common sense.

Like I said above, it's also ridiculous to act as if this guy, almost the equivalent of Lloyd Asplund in brilliance, is some kind of dime-a-dozen computer hacker. If anything, you're doing exactly what you accused @ThatGuyWithIdeas of doing, and are being "insulting to the QM by implying that they are pretty much railroading us into this choice" with the suggestion that Bertrand Smith is apparently just some worthless scrub, instead of a nigh unparalleled and absolute genius in his field.

As it is, I still haven't decided which advisor I want to get, as I'm torn between Bertrand and Kenshin, but I really dislike the arguments you all are making in favour of Kenshin.
 
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