Runaway

Wait
Are Persephone's memories false? I must have missed wherever that was stated.
And huh, I was under the impression that Cauldron only got to erase memories, not add new ones.

That's a good question, and worth asking, but it's also the point that... well, just because they're real and they're inconvenient to Cauldron right now, they are also replaceable. Cauldron only has to deal with those memories that make Persephone disinclined to do anything to their benefit if they want to, if they can get a hold of her.

And yes, I myself had initially thought Slug could only erase memories, but they fielded explicitly brainwashed capes against Scion, they implanted skills in some people (like Sveta never actually learned English, she just knew it from the moment she woke up), etc. So apparently The Slug is fully capable of inserting new memories, including muscle memory, into people.
 
That's a good question, and worth asking, but it's also the point that... well, just because they're real and they're inconvenient to Cauldron right now, they are also replaceable. Cauldron only has to deal with those memories that make Persephone disinclined to do anything to their benefit if they want to, if they can get a hold of her.

And yes, I myself had initially thought Slug could only erase memories, but they fielded explicitly brainwashed capes against Scion, they implanted skills in some people (like Sveta never actually learned English, she just knew it from the moment she woke up), etc. So apparently The Slug is fully capable of inserting new memories, including muscle memory, into people.
Makes sense. Geez, that's probably the third scariest cape in Cauldron, that I know of.
 
blueJane said:
Frankly triggered sex workers feels like it'd be one of the most common sources of capes. With a pretty wide spectrum of powers, too.
Actually, thinking more on it, some parahuman sex workers might well in fact have triggered first. A lot of the sorts of desperate circumstances that could lead to triggers could also lead to a need for money in a low-opportunity environment -- but it's not called The Oldest Profession because of low and inconsistent demand. If a person already has an inclination in that direction, or just a lack of aversion to the inherent aspects of one or more types of sex work, and the main remaining barrier is the danger involved, there are a lot of powers that could drastically reduce that danger one way or another. And beyond access to money, if the parahuman has heroic inclinations, well, hey, there's an under-officially-protected group right there that they could lend their new abilities to.


I wonder if Ereshkigal can bring a vehicle of some sort into her shadow realm? An electric scooter or something, maybe? Then she could, for instance, have skipped the long bus ride, presumably taken a more or less straight line through where the bay is in the now-shadow world, and ended up in the shadow world under her old house without risk of being spotted on the way. And it could have great future utility, of course.

Winged One said:
The real mystery here is... why? Why did Cauldron have him do the murder? Why have him create these families? They don't do things for no reason, though sometimes they have stupid reasons.
My leading hypothesis is that they were aiming to accomplish multiple goals at once. First, my understanding is that Persephone's trigger was deliberate and intended, and it's possible multiple life experiences up until then had been shaped to try and influence it. Second, moving the new family in provides a cover; as Persephone herself was thinking, her mother's murder and her disappearance should have attracted more attention. (Additionally, Cauldron may have predicted her returning to her old house and wanted someone there for her to interact with, for some reason.) Third, now this family's in Cauldron's debt; they're additional, new willing agents.

Pale Wolf said:
It's also worth asking whether the woman was in fact Cauldron.

Wouldn't the PRT be doing a stakeout of the place? It'd seem a good place to gather evidence from, and we have seen that the Director has definite suspicions re this family.

If she was PRT, that would put some things into alignment. How she wanted to capture or at least chase off rather than kill. How she established legal top cover for being there by claiming to be responding to gunshots (the fact that she had to fire them being a separate matter that wouldn't ever find its way into the report).
Ooh, now those are some interesting points! Thanks!

Rini said:
I don't understand why she didn't take them with her and question them more.
Well, I think by that point she was probably assuming they didn't know that much useful to her. Some, sure, and she'd have liked to keep going... but enough to be worth abducting them? Even putting aside any moral concerns, what would she do with them after that? Imprison them until they talked? How long should she wait? What about food, water, and sanitation for them? And she knows that she isn't part of the conspiracy that replaced her family, so it seems a pretty safe assumption that her abduction of a family from their home is not going to be covered up -- and a lot of people are going to be on the lookout for powers like the kidnapper's after that.

And, if Cauldron wanted to create her for some reason they went about it in a why that will forever make her hate them and want to see them destroyed.
Cauldron doesn't seem to be much interested in good publicity, though; if anything, it might be the reverse. Their self-conception is that they are the people making the Hard But Necessary Decisions, things ordinary people would recoil from... which is why ordinary people can't be trusted to save the world, why Cauldron has to step in, and why it's okay to act the way they do and not worry too much about maybe there's a better way, because The Stakes Are Just Too High For Softness.

I would have also, seen about removing as much of her and her mother's personal keepsakes as possible to keep them from being lost to her.
Yeah, that one, I think, was just her being pretty distracted.

Pale Wolf said:
and she has no guarantee said support won't be able to penetrate her underworld
Ahh, I'd not thought of it that far. But, yeah, good point, it's probably a safe bet they can't, but relying on that being a certainty could end pretty badly for her if she's wrong. So that's another reason not to abduct them, yeah.

blueJane said:
officially speaking it would have put her on the radar as kidnapping an innocent family, rather than simply attacking them in their home
Right. Imagine what'd happen if the news media got a hold of "EVIL-LOOKING NEW VILLAIN IS ABDUCTING INNOCENT CIVILIANS RIGHT FROM THEIR HOMES FOR UNKNOWN NO-DOUBT-SINISTER REASONS!".

Pale Wolf said:
then some of the Slug's juices and now he remembers a lifetime leading to an intense and overriding loyalty to Cauldron
Ohh. They can't just wipe memories, they can write new ones?

Most likely the former - while her powers are useful, they certainly do not appear to be the kind of silver bullet Cauldron looks for when genning powers.
Though one potentially notable point is that Persephone probably has powers from a Warrior shard. Thinker shards are pretty easy for Cauldron to grant powers from, even if they can't control the details very well, but if for some reason they needed a Warrior shard involved, a long process like this might be their only option for trying to shape the result.

Persephone's power doesn't seem to be in that category of having an obvious and unique value to Cauldron
Sure -- but Cauldron doesn't actually have to know why they're doing something, if they're just trusting PtV. Persephone's power doesn't seem like a silver bullet, or something drastically world-changing or the like... but we don't know what her shard is. Canon Taylor got bug control, after all, which also doesn't seem that impressive even though she got creative with it -- but she got it from Queen Administrator. And once she had the bug control power, it could, at least according to my understanding of canon, later be modified to bring out much more of QA's potential, to the extent that Random Bug Control Girl ended up being a vital part of the victory over the Warrior.

Though, presumably they did want at least something about Persephone herself, otherwise they could have just waited until they were sure she had the potential to trigger, abducted her, tortured her until she triggered, and then mindwiped her -- especially if they could indeed then also implant new memories making her loyal to them.

Pale Wolf said:
And yes, I myself had initially thought Slug could only erase memories, but they fielded explicitly brainwashed capes against Scion, they implanted skills in some people (like Sveta never actually learned English, she just knew it from the moment she woke up), etc. So apparently The Slug is fully capable of inserting new memories, including muscle memory, into people.
Huh.
 
Actually, thinking more on it, some parahuman sex workers might well in fact have triggered first. A lot of the sorts of desperate circumstances that could lead to triggers could also lead to a need for money in a low-opportunity environment -- but it's not called The Oldest Profession because of low and inconsistent demand. If a person already has an inclination in that direction, or just a lack of aversion to the inherent aspects of one or more types of sex work, and the main remaining barrier is the danger involved, there are a lot of powers that could drastically reduce that danger one way or another. And beyond access to money, if the parahuman has heroic inclinations, well, hey, there's an under-officially-protected group right there that they could lend their new abilities to.

Generally, people that trigger have more lucrative moneymakers than sex work. At that point any economic desperation driving one into sex work is basically gone, so if a parahuman triggers and then proceeds into sex work, either their power was not monetizeable, or they were just down for sex work in general without being driven into it by desperate circumstances.

Capes that are sex workers therefore usually start as unpowered sex workers, trigger from some aspect of their life (whether the abuses society gladly heaps on sex workers, bad clients, or any other part of their life), and at that point they don't have a driving economic need but they've familiarized themselves with the job, are overall down with it, and even if they don't continue it directly, their friends are there so they'll still protect them.

I wonder if Ereshkigal can bring a vehicle of some sort into her shadow realm? An electric scooter or something, maybe? Then she could, for instance, have skipped the long bus ride, presumably taken a more or less straight line through where the bay is in the now-shadow world, and ended up in the shadow world under her old house without risk of being spotted on the way. And it could have great future utility, of course.

She can, she doesn't need to, and it wouldn't really help.

She absolutely can bring anything that fits into a shadow down there. She doesn't need to bring a vehicle to move around fast, she can literally surf the internal darkness. But the thing about that kind of fast travel is she doesn't have a map. If she misses her angle on crossing the Bay she's off under the Atlantic Ocean and she really doesn't have any way to get back up that doesn't put her deep underwater, until she finds a shadow that isn't a kilometer underwater. And she doesn't have any way to navigate to find one from her underworld. Crossing bodies of water is basically going fully blind and hoping you're pointed in the right direction.

And if she does successfully get back to land? I mean, she's looking at the city from below, through patches of shadow. Any landmarks that are even visible look real different from down there and whether you see them at all is spotty. She can use her underworld to fast-travel 'away' but trying to go to a particular place is a real navigational exercise and Persephone is not the kind of survivalist that can pull that off.

Third, now this family's in Cauldron's debt; they're additional, new willing agents.

Exactly how much they can accomplish for Cauldron's sake is its own question (they clearly aren't powerful, neither shardwise nor politically), but Cauldron are believers in the value of position. Just having a body in the right place at the right time can do a surprising amount, especially when you can perfectly guide and activate them.

And they certainly weren't soft civilians. They reacted to Persephone's attack with instantaneous coordinated violence. Attack a military base and you will get a less decisive response. NotRichard was literally faced with a shadow monster out of nightmare and he didn't freeze or scream. He blinked, registered it, and immediately threw the nearest viable object at it while barking out warnings for the others - that "Get out of here" wasn't to Seph, it was to his wife and daughter. They disobeyed, but they disobeyed in an equally decisive response to the aggression, stationing themselves next to the closest source of lethal weapons and throwing them as soon as the target came in view.

Cauldron doesn't seem to be much interested in good publicity, though; if anything, it might be the reverse. Their self-conception is that they are the people making the Hard But Necessary Decisions, things ordinary people would recoil from... which is why ordinary people can't be trusted to save the world, why Cauldron has to step in, and why it's okay to act the way they do and not worry too much about maybe there's a better way, because The Stakes Are Just Too High For Softness.

Yeah this is pretty much exactly Cauldron.

Ahh, I'd not thought of it that far. But, yeah, good point, it's probably a safe bet they can't, but relying on that being a certainty could end pretty badly for her if she's wrong. So that's another reason not to abduct them, yeah.

Probability-wise it's a reasonable assumption that the immediate response isn't going to have a somewhat esoteric ability like that. But at the same time, Seph was like one minute out from having learned that she was facing off against a secret conspiracy organization with enough pull to straight-up replace people with immigrants that speak medieval Low Saxon. (Like, Seph is fluent in German, she didn't go into this but the language they spoke does not exist on Earth. It's so far off modern German it's effectively a different language, but it's immensely closer than the actually-existing next-closest language - probably Dutch. She hasn't consciously analyzed this but her subconscious is telling her that language doesn't exist, and anyone who speaks it does not come from the world as she knows it)

So... it's also a reasonable assumption that even if the ability to penetrate her underworld isn't in the initial support a Cauldron picket would be getting, the organization is big enough to have that ability on-tap.

Ohh. They can't just wipe memories, they can write new ones?

Apparently! I mean, we already have a tinker with comparable abilities, Cranial, so Slug is honestly just the same abilities as an inherent powerset. (Presumably Cranial has more going on, but that's the core of it anyway)

Though one potentially notable point is that Persephone probably has powers from a Warrior shard. Thinker shards are pretty easy for Cauldron to grant powers from, even if they can't control the details very well, but if for some reason they needed a Warrior shard involved, a long process like this might be their only option for trying to shape the result.

There are actually a bunch of Thinker shards out of their control too. They do have most of the Thinker shards, because Thinker kept most of her shards in reserve to be distributed later and they have her main body, but Thinker did launch off some shards that Cauldron has no access to - Vikare's, for instance.

Sure -- but Cauldron doesn't actually have to know why they're doing something, if they're just trusting PtV. Persephone's power doesn't seem like a silver bullet, or something drastically world-changing or the like... but we don't know what her shard is. Canon Taylor got bug control, after all, which also doesn't seem that impressive even though she got creative with it -- but she got it from Queen Administrator. And once she had the bug control power, it could, at least according to my understanding of canon, later be modified to bring out much more of QA's potential, to the extent that Random Bug Control Girl ended up being a vital part of the victory over the Warrior.

I'm also talking from the reader perspective, for analysis. But yes, Cauldron could easily know something, or not know a damn thing except PtV highlighted it as valuable. And even if her power doesn't seem that big a deal to Cauldron, you're right that it is very possible it's coming from a shard that can be jailbroken to do things much more Interesting to them than it's doing right now.

Though, presumably they did want at least something about Persephone herself, otherwise they could have just waited until they were sure she had the potential to trigger, abducted her, tortured her until she triggered, and then mindwiped her -- especially if they could indeed then also implant new memories making her loyal to them.

Well, also, she wouldn't have existed without the plan. Richard's interlude sounded like he legitimately never loved Persephone's mother and was only with her For The Plan. Which means it's been in play for at least 19 years and that was mostly low-effort investment and waiting (as Persephone just mused on, Richard really didn't parent her much at all and just kinda dropped in to remind people he was there too), but Persephone definitely wasn't something just grabbed off the shelf, she was something handcrafted.

Tbh though, abducting her and torturing her until she triggered is honestly more effort-and-resource-intensive than what they did? Having created Persephone, and a childhood that left her sole meaningful parent as her mother, why would you bother abduct-and-torture? Just have the distant father kill the mother she loves so much. It's a five-minute job and creates a far stronger trigger impetus than a week of torture.

But also worthy of note: Contessa did path the trigger. She didn't path every possible aspect of it, thus why her path didn't tell her 'his 'son' is gonna witness this'. But she was able to miss that because it wasn't a meaningful detail as far as what Cauldron wanted out of this goes. Which means Persephone escaping and now being free-range is either a desired result of the path, or it isn't a meaningful detail.
 
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Hmh in regards to the plan , something that I don't think we had debated about is the timespan of it.
The plan is at least 20 years old considering Seph being born, her mother getting pregnant and falling in love with Richard which means it was made somewhere between the late 80s, and 1990 at the earliest.

Which makes it Post Protectorate and pre Endbringer (depending on how long the seduction took)
it is a plan that started 20ish years ago and is still running which feels weird timeline wise because its one that is worth the investment of it taking so long instead of a earlier one and also important enough to continue without PtV finding a earlier option for it .

I mean the Triumvirate took their vials around 86, the Protectorate was decided on in 1988 and 91 when behemoth appeared was when her mother most likely was already seduced as that happened at the end of 1992

Seph is 18+ as she is in college,(2010) add 9 months for birth and +x for seduction and Behemoth being in december would mean that she is too young for her being part of a plan to deal with a Endbringer, or one that was speed up by that.

And also that, unless it was one of his earliest missions he works long enough for Cauldron that Richard is part of the old guard instead of being a middle joiner.
 
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I mean the triumvirate took their vials around 86

Just a quick note on the timeline here, Alexandria is the last of the Triumvirate to drink the vial and did it in 86.

I don't know if we have hard dates on Legend and Eidolon, but Hero is the first, literally one of the first batch of Cauldron vial experiments, which was not assigned a super-hard date but was most likely in 1982, fairly shortly after Scion first appeared (because the experiment was directly prompted by Scion's appearance and took, like, fifty hours plus getting the volunteers and the building rented out to get started).

And also that, unless it was one of his earliest missions he works long enough for Cauldron that Richard is part of the old guard instead of being a middle joiner.

Well... early middle, towards the end of the old guard. The latest viable date for him to have joined is around 1990. He's probably a later joiner than Alexandria and Number Man, since he doesn't seem to be nearly as close to the inner circle or decision-making as those ones.
 
Just a quick note on the timeline here, Alexandria is the last of the Triumvirate to drink the vial and did it in 86.

I don't know if we have hard dates on Legend and Eidolon, but Hero is the first, literally one of the first batch of Cauldron vial experiments, which was not assigned a super-hard date but was most likely in 1982, fairly shortly after Scion first appeared (because the experiment was directly prompted by Scion's appearance and took, like, fifty hours plus getting the volunteers and the building rented out to get started).



Well... early middle, towards the end of the old guard. The latest viable date for him to have joined is around 1990. He's probably a later joiner than Alexandria and Number Man, since he doesn't seem to be nearly as close to the inner circle or decision-making as those ones.
David drank his a few months before Alexandria but in the same Year, and we know that Number Man, who has a more usefull power for being in the inner circle, joined between late 87 (murder of King) and 88 (meeting where he was noted as being the math boy)
 
Pale Wolf said:
or they were just down for sex work in general without being driven into it by desperate circumstances
That's more the sort of thing I was referring to.

But yes, I imagine that it's a relative rare situation.

re Ereshkigal's movement powers and navigation difficulties:
Ahh, thanks; makes sense.

re the potential usefulness of that family:
Right.

that "Get out of here" wasn't to Seph, it was to his wife and daughter
Ah, thanks; I think I'd misunderstood that.

stationing themselves next to the closest source of lethal weapons and throwing them as soon as the target came in view
Also, hitting, with thrown kitchen knives. Not that it did them any good there, sure, but as I read it only because of Ereshkigal's power; if she'd been just an unpowered burglar, she'd have taken some significant wounds before she had a chance to get near them.

Yeah this is pretty much exactly Cauldron.
I'd not be surprised if by now they're subconsciously actively trying to not find a kinder way to do things, because if that turns out to be possible, it means maybe it was possible the whole time -- which in turn would mean that maybe the horrible things they've done weren't actually necessary after all.

re what Seph knew at the time she fled and how recently she'd learned it:
Ah, good point.

Apparently! I mean, we already have a tinker with comparable abilities, Cranial, so Slug is honestly just the same abilities as an inherent powerset. (Presumably Cranial has more going on, but that's the core of it anyway)
Aye, I'm not surprised it's possible for parahumans -- I just didn't know that Cauldron had someone who could do it and regularly did for them. I don't recall encountering that detail before.

re Thinker shards:
Hm. Aye, could point, if Seph had a Thinker shard and they needed something from that specific shard, that could also explain this. I was more just thinking of them needing a Warrior shard primarily because it was a Warrior shard, for some reason.

re the level of investment to shape Persephone:
Oh! Yes, very good point! I'd been thinking of things more from her perspective, I think, from which, well, obviously, everything about her life has been involved with her life. But as you point out, even the amount of investment Richard had in this was relatively low -- and he seems to have been the primary agent this task was given to. Cauldron's higher-ups, especially considering they have PtV, probably just had to issue a few orders over the course of about two decades.

Thanks for the replies!
 
Oh! Yes, very good point! I'd been thinking of things more from her perspective, I think, from which, well, obviously, everything about her life has been involved with her life. But as you point out, even the amount of investment Richard had in this was relatively low -- and he seems to have been the primary agent this task was given to. Cauldron's higher-ups, especially considering they have PtV, probably just had to issue a few orders over the course of about two decades.

Thanks for the replies!
I mean the long term effect also makes one wonder why This trigger instead of a different one as a Robber, or her Mother suiciding would have been arangable for them in the same timeframe much easier, and when she was younger and so more emotional fragile.
Hmhm 1.c states that he came to the US in the late 80s, and his interlude made it clear that Richard wasn't from Earth Bet, they could have had their arrival backdated but it seems weird.
 
Aye, I'm not surprised it's possible for parahumans -- I just didn't know that Cauldron had someone who could do it and regularly did for them. I don't recall encountering that detail before.

Tbh considering Cauldron's level of power access, it's probably safe to assume that if it's possible for parahumans, Cauldron has someone who can do it and does it regularly for them, for pretty much anything that isn't alarmingly specific or outright beyond the rules the Entities set.

re the level of investment to shape Persephone:
Oh! Yes, very good point! I'd been thinking of things more from her perspective, I think, from which, well, obviously, everything about her life has been involved with her life. But as you point out, even the amount of investment Richard had in this was relatively low -- and he seems to have been the primary agent this task was given to. Cauldron's higher-ups, especially considering they have PtV, probably just had to issue a few orders over the course of about two decades.

Richard basically sold his soul to this, but it was only an investment of his ethics, because it wasn't really costing him that much time - roughly the level of time and energy a particularly uninvolved boomer father invests in his family. Cauldron's maximum investment in this is 'the money to support one agent that isn't doing anything else for us', and they're not even investing that much - Richard has two families but he doesn't spend much time with either of them so he's probably doing a fair bit of work somewhere.

I mean the long term effect also makes one wonder why This trigger instead of a different one as a Robber, or her Mother suiciding would have been arangable for them in the same timeframe much easier, and when she was younger and so more emotional fragile.

It is possible they didn't have the option of an earlier one. We don't know exactly when Seph's Corona Pollentia finished developing. (Cauldron presumably does. They have access to any of her medical data, and they don't even need it since Contessa can just say 'do it now')

Hmhm 1.c states that he came to the US in the late 80s, and his interlude made it clear that Richard wasn't from Earth Bet, they could have had their arrival backdated but it seems weird.

Yeah, so that pins his joining Cauldron to no-later-than-89, probably. Or at least his awareness-of - it is possible they moved out refugees without immediately employing them.

Wait so was I the only one who immediately thought the Cop was just Contessa running a path to not get caught?

Nah, @Pillowsperky thought so too, but there are three key points that suggest not-Contessa.

1: Copper hair. It's a shade of blonde with a tinge of red. So assuming no wigs or hair dye are involved, the woman is probably very white. Contessa is Italian/Mediterranean, and falls under 'white', but not the kind of 'very white' that has blonde/red hair.

2: This seems like incredibly small potatoes to invest Contessa-time in. Shielding a group of refugees only inserted as decoys.

3: Seph got away. If she was facing Contessa, the woman in question only managed to prevent her from killing the decoys, and getting what little remaining information they had, which was like a contact number at most. The woman did not prevent Seph from finding out her place was filled with decoys, nor that Cauldron existed. Contessa Always Succeeds. But the list of obvious-Cauldron-preferences that were accomplished or preserved in the wake of this is pretty short. So if it was Contessa, the Victory she just achieved a path to is something very counterintuitive.

It's probably either another Thinker or just a very skilled mundane actually watching her own shadow. (Which itself means she probably knew a bit about Ereshkigal ahead of time, and was willing to guess that one shadow cape was, or was at least related to, the other)

Also


Do we have a !Villain Parian here? Wouldn't be Chantilly as she is a case 53.

I don't tend to AU my Brockton Bay, I just fill it out beyond the narrow slice that Taylor saw. (Worm fanfic tends to assume what we saw in canon is all there is, but canon was literally a one-month supervillain career from someone who was explicitly not particularly interested in this scene beforehand, and was spending most of that month bouncing from one hyperlethal death battle to the next and never really had much time to invest in anything that wasn't immediately grabbing her by the throat and threatening her life)

So Lace is probably an OC as part of that general filling out.
 
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A Slippery Slope, Isn't It?
(I will note it's very funny to watch Pale being coy about so many details)

Anyway I've waited long enough, it's art time. Tried a few different things to capture the vibe of this chapter.





It's funny to think about how easily power can make a monster out of a normal person, isn't it? Like, put aside the conflict drive of the shards; considering how and why powers manifest. Someone who's gone through a lot of pain and suddenly finding themselves in the position to do something about it, whether by retribution or trying to change the world so that sort of thing can't happen any more... I think in a lot of cases you don't need the nudge the Shard provides.

This is also setting up a contrast between Persephone and Alex with the paths they're going on. Seph probably never intended to go full kidnapping-people villainy, but here she is tying up a family to interrogate them; meanwhile Alex has basically taken the most responsible action she can at every turn, going to the PRT immediately, trying to become a hero in the vein of her idols...
 
Scia said:
I mean the long term effect also makes one wonder why This trigger instead of a different one
Hm. Good point...

Pale Wolf said:
Tbh considering Cauldron's level of power access, it's probably safe to assume that if it's possible for parahumans, Cauldron has someone who can do it and does it regularly for them, for pretty much anything that isn't alarmingly specific or outright beyond the rules the Entities set.
Aye, makes sense, now that you mention it.
I mean, caveat that just because it can be done doesn't mean it'd be at all useful to them -- but there's a lot that would be.

Richard basically sold his soul to this, but it was only an investment of his ethics, because it wasn't really costing him that much time - roughly the level of time and energy a particularly uninvolved boomer father invests in his family. Cauldron's maximum investment in this is 'the money to support one agent that isn't doing anything else for us', and they're not even investing that much - Richard has two families but he doesn't spend much time with either of them so he's probably doing a fair bit of work somewhere.
Aye, makes sense -- and of course, beyond what we can assume, we know he was doing at least some other work for them, given that's how Alex found out about Cauldron and got her powers.

It is possible they didn't have the option of an earlier one. We don't know exactly when Seph's Corona Pollentia finished developing.
Ah, also a good point.

but canon was literally a one-month supervillain career
...It was that little time? Wow.
 
Aye, makes sense -- and of course, beyond what we can assume, we know he was doing at least some other work for them, given that's how Alex found out about Cauldron and got her powers.

Yeah, 1.1, he was at least playing errand-boy to deliver vials to new agents. (They have probably got their vials by now)

...It was that little time? Wow.

Yeah canon as a whole prior to the timeskip was like 2-3 months. But only one month of that was before Brockton Bay went postapocalyptic. Taylor started caping in April, and Leviathan attacked in May.
 
Interlude 2.r
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Reinhild Linse - now Persephone Duensing - slowly set about cleaning away the remnants of a stolen life.

This was far from the first time she'd done it. There were a lot of abandoned homes on a dead and dying world. Her family hadn't been lucky enough to have a stable space that stayed safe, so they'd taken shelter in many of them as they'd wandered. Each had been filled with reminders of old occupants, which the Linses sorted for usefulness, mementos and knicknacks discarded in favour of anything that would help them survive another day.

Things were different this time, of course. According to Cauldron, they could live here as long as they wished. They didn't need to check the water sources, watch the wildlife, stay on eternal watch to make sure the crystals weren't lurking in the ground, and hide from the maddened horrors that people and animals and plants became when they drank or ate anything tainted by the crystals. There was enough safety and stability for there to be whole nations, something that had long passed into memory by the time Reinhild had been born. Even if this place became dangerous, they could just go somewhere else, without having to consult rumour and weather to be sure they ended up at a place people could live.

However, Reinhild and her family had not survived long enough to be rescued by accepting information at face value. So now she paid close attention to what she was discarding. The original Persephone had green eyes but otherwise seemed to have a grudge against all colour other than the occasional purple. She had some posters of a scandalously-clad (in fact largely not clad) woman named Narwhal, and several more of people in dark tattered clothing with musical instruments in hand and labels like Evanescence and Sad Chemistry on the poster.

Persephone (the old one) had a small photo album. In it, a dark-haired girl grew up happy, healthy, and safe. No sign she'd ever had to rob another human at knifepoint. No indication she'd ever gone wanting for food or water, unable to drink what was right there because crystal fragments might have fallen in. Reinhild felt her lips twitch. But… it was the way of things. Those who have passed have passed. They become tools for survival, or no one lives on.

Reinhild flipped further into the album, but one of the pictures snagged her attention.

A teenaged Persephone, dressed in an elegant purple gown, held hands with another girl her age in a bright blue dress. She was smiling brightly, cheeks flushed pink with joy, green eyes shining. There was a note beneath the photo:
Persephone,
I'm still stunned by how beautiful you and Sara were that night. You've grown up into a fine young woman.


Two beautiful girls, and what was clearly a deep friendship.

Reinhild sighed and shut the book. She had no real idea what had happened to the previous Persephone, but it was clear that Cauldron had done it. Hopefully she was simply dead. As her father would say, "At least for them, it's over." There were many worse fates.

Most of this would need to be disposed of. Discreetly, they'd been instructed not to burn anything in the home. Smoke drew attention, and much like in the world they'd left behind, attention was dangerous. Less likely to get you eaten, but that just allowed for more complex dangers.

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Reinhild tested the shadows binding her arms. Far stronger than rope, and wasn't that bringing back a few memories she'd rather be rid of. Actually, they seemed to tighten in response to her movement, so she did her best to relax.

It wasn't easy. Rope, bindings, they usually meant you weren't going to die. The worse options were available instead. The apparently-invincible - or at least knife-proof - shadow monster looming over Reinhild and her family didn't help.

It hadn't done much yet, but they were utterly at its mercy unless someone from outside intervened. The times this had happened before… usually at least one of them wasn't bound. Hadn't been found. Damn it, father had told them to run, they could have come around the back. They'd stood their ground like idiots the moment they had ground worth standing on, not wanting to leave him to the monster for any time at all, and now they were all helpless.

She tried to keep her face as neutral as possible. The things and people that didn't kill you wanted reactions.

"Who the fuck are you?!" The monster screamed.

Oh. The figure could speak. Also, it sounded like… a girl? Her father was responding to it, and Reinhild did her best to wriggle a bit to get a closer look at it. It was mostly shapeless, but there seemed to be slits for eyes…

"No you fucking aren't." The figure slapped her father across the face with his own shadow. "Who are you really?" The shadow thinned, displayed an edge. "Next one is sharp."

Green eyes.

"Reinhild. Reinhild Linse." She spoke up, glaring defiantly at the figure. Her parents glanced at her as the figure focused on her. A brief argument in their own language ensued.

"<Don't! If our benefactors find out we betrayed them->"

"<We're going to die here if we don't!>" she shot back.

"<Still, they saved us. We owe them our lives.>"

"<We owe ourselves our lives! What's even the point of being so grateful to have our lives made safer that we throw them away entirely?>"

"<We know the reach they have! If we betray them, they can have us replaced as easily as they used us to replace the last people here!"

"<I'd rather die then than now,>" Reinhild said quietly. "<This used to be a person. There might be enough left to redirect it or mollify it.>" A very specific person. It was best to stick with 'it' just the same. 'Her' was a dangerous word to apply to things like this. It made you think there was something more there than just remnants.

Her parents nodded to her. Whether they agreed or not, the argument had reached the end of its usefulness. She wouldn't be talked out of it, and they couldn't stop her. All there was now was to hope she was right.

She focused again on the monster. "They gave us a home, that's all. We had to change our names but we could live in this place. We're thankful, but not so thankful we'd give our lives. The gift was our lives in the first place."

Reinhild could see the green eyes narrowing behind the mass of shadow. "Who's 'they'?"

"They called themselves 'Cauldron'," Reinhild said, shrugging as best she could while bound by shadow. "They told us little. Assigned us these names, this house. Taught us the language, how to live here without notice. They finally moved us in two days ago."

"'Finally'?" The tone of voice was cold. The shadow had come to a conclusion that it did not much appreciate. Probably the same one Reinhild had - that Cauldron had done this to her very intentionally, and had been planning to for quite some time.

Reinhild opened her mouth to speak. Clarify. Not that the details would help in any emotional sense. Just the practical one.

She was interrupted by a gunshot, from the front of the house. It was a point of some concern that someone was using guns so nearby, but Reinhild couldn't look around or find anything out. She was busy gasping as the shadows around her chest tightened. It was as if the creature had her in its grip and had reflexively squeezed.

She could vaguely hear additional shouting from outside the house. Another gunshot rang out, and she saw the monster's mass flinch. The gunman must have just missed her.

And then it was… falling into the floor, gone in a moment. She felt the bindings around her slacken, then melt away, and she gratefully gulped in air.

Reinhild heard words that must have belonged to her family's 'saviour' of the moment. Only the moment. You didn't last long if one act of violence on your behalf was enough to win your trust. She just nodded carefully pushing herself up and trying to look shocked and helpless and like this was the first time she'd been in a life-or-death situation. Her mother was crying, that should help.

The copper-haired woman spoke into a cellphone as she checked their pulses with a slim and elegant finger resting lightly next to their throats. Ring on the little finger of that hand, the left, made of facet-cut steel. She seemed… very observant. She was dressed in what Reinhild was fairly sure was casual clothing for this world, a blouse and skirt, but there was nothing else casual about her. Her movements were those of someone familiar with violence and very ready for it. Her diction was clipped and precise, and she showed no fear at having faced an empowered monster.

Worse - there was the hint of a grin on her lips and a light in her eyes, exultation and excitement from the encounter. She was one of the really crazy ones. Dangerous in every direction. And here for a purpose that likely wasn't to their benefit. Reinhild made a mental note to speak to her as little as possible. There was no telling what information the woman was after, or what she'd do once she had it.

And she'd get some of it. They couldn't stop her from searching the house. They wouldn't. Because she was the only thing that could maybe threaten their attacker, make sure she was really gone. They needed her to search it for the attacker, and that meant she'd see the things that had belonged to the real Duensings, that they hadn't thrown away yet. They could explain it away, prevent being fully caught out, but they'd still be seen.

Then Reinhild drew her knees up to her face, hiding it as she collected her thoughts. Because there was no way not to put together the pieces. The things that interested her, that bothered her. And those brilliant green eyes. That was the real Persephone Duensing. She was infected with the same divine, empowered madness that wracked their homeworld. And Cauldron, their ever-so-generous benefactors, had done it to her.

It had been obvious they trafficked in terrible powers. They walked worlds. But there was a difference between wielding those powers and enacting the flesh-twisting madness that had ruined their world. Those were things that should have been left behind, not carried to try out on a new world.

And there wasn't a damn thing Reinhild could do about it, was there?

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I really enjoyed helping write this one. The idea of who Reinhild was got stuck in my head so I basically tossed Pale the first few paragraphs about an hour after I'd finished reading 2.2.

So, it definitely seems like the mysterious savior is not a Cauldron agent. Prooobably a PRT agent assigned to watch the impersonators who saw them getting attacked and leapt on the opportunity to both save lives and inspect the house.
 
I really enjoyed helping write this one. The idea of who Reinhild was got stuck in my head so I basically tossed Pale the first few paragraphs about an hour after I'd finished reading 2.2.

So, it definitely seems like the mysterious savior is not a Cauldron agent. Prooobably a PRT agent assigned to watch the impersonators who saw them getting attacked and leapt on the opportunity to both save lives and inspect the house.

And to, well, not lose the witnesses. The Linses may not be cooperative, but they're still a source of information and leads tend to dry up when the people who could let slip some information die horrible deaths.
 
And to, well, not lose the witnesses. The Linses may not be cooperative, but they're still a source of information and leads tend to dry up when the people who could let slip some information die horrible deaths.

That makes me think that the agent is going to be very careful about what she does take or is seen taking, then. Doesn't want to give Cauldron a reason to off one of her leads.
 
So, on another topic...

Director Piggot now has access to four Cauldron vials, and the data that the keast stable one turned the person who took it into a girl with tinker powers. She had the paperwork describing their mixtures as well.

What should she do with them? Fun answers please :V
 
Interesting that she drew the right conclusion from wrong evidence—as Persephone is, as far as we know, a natural trigger, and she isn't a case 53.
 
So, on another topic...

Director Piggot now has access to four Cauldron vials, and the data that the keast stable one turned the person who took it into a girl with tinker powers. She had the paperwork describing their mixtures as well.

What should she do with them? Fun answers please :V
Trade them to another branch in exchange for reinforcements;
Advertise them as a new option for safe transition;
Cool Will It Blend episode;
Spray bottle time.
 
Interesting that she drew the right conclusion from wrong evidence—as Persephone is, as far as we know, a natural trigger, and she isn't a case 53.

I mean when all you can see of someone is a writhing mass of shadow why wouldn't you assume that's just how they are? Especially with the other available life experiences and evidence.


PRT Employee of the Month rewards package

This is my favorite so far, although I feel like Emily wouldn't want to test anything on a subordinate that she hasn't tried herself.
 
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