HymnOfRagnarok
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Yes, but even Rock eventually had to pick up a gun and shoot someone. Ignoring combat is a huge mistake, and guns just offer better range, deniability, and synergy with our superhuman dexterity than knives, which require face-to-face confrontation - exactly our character's major weakness due to tertiary physical. Besides, with the right piece, a gun isn't significantly harder to disguise than a knife.
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HymnOfRagnarok
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Ridiculously Average Guy
I'm you, but stronger
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Ah, the Carrot Gunman.
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It's fine. If I wanted something perfect I'd consider an art commission.
I'm not considering an art commission.
I'm not considering an art commission.
HymnOfRagnarok
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I gotta ask, what's the big appeal of the Savate build? What's it offer?
I mean yeah, we're never really disarmed until we're impersonating the Black Knight, and we'll kick the ass of almost everyone once we get into melee range. With Parkour, that's a lot easier and mixes really well our overall mystery of our body. With improvised weaponry, that also helps. I suppose we might be able to make a bunch of improvised projectiles, but explosives are still a thing. Bulletproof is not invulnerable.
Meanwhile guns are....well, guns. We could probably make a decent Revolver Ocelot impression with trickshots considering our Dexterity. Ammo limitations, yes, but the versatility and range is massive. And guns and ammo are not in short supply.
It just seems to me like Savate pretty much requires us to have all these insane physical advantages to let us reach a parity with guns. All that synergy seems to let us break even, in my eyes, instead of bringing it to juggernaut levels. Even if we can use some guns as Savate, it just doesn't seem enough.
Am I missing something?
I mean yeah, we're never really disarmed until we're impersonating the Black Knight, and we'll kick the ass of almost everyone once we get into melee range. With Parkour, that's a lot easier and mixes really well our overall mystery of our body. With improvised weaponry, that also helps. I suppose we might be able to make a bunch of improvised projectiles, but explosives are still a thing. Bulletproof is not invulnerable.
Meanwhile guns are....well, guns. We could probably make a decent Revolver Ocelot impression with trickshots considering our Dexterity. Ammo limitations, yes, but the versatility and range is massive. And guns and ammo are not in short supply.
It just seems to me like Savate pretty much requires us to have all these insane physical advantages to let us reach a parity with guns. All that synergy seems to let us break even, in my eyes, instead of bringing it to juggernaut levels. Even if we can use some guns as Savate, it just doesn't seem enough.
Am I missing something?
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Originally voted for
X] Yourself. You're a world-class Savate prodigy, not that you stopped with formal styles. You can improvise killing weapons from almost anything if your feet aren't enough.
Changing vote to
[X] Guns. Pistols, shotguns, long rifles, assault rifles, submachine guns, it doesn't matter. You're a crack shot and quick on the draw.
X] Yourself. You're a world-class Savate prodigy, not that you stopped with formal styles. You can improvise killing weapons from almost anything if your feet aren't enough.
Changing vote to
[X] Guns. Pistols, shotguns, long rifles, assault rifles, submachine guns, it doesn't matter. You're a crack shot and quick on the draw.
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Guns aren't very good for disabling people without Called Shots and taking the penalties those impose. Smuggling them into a secure area is a lot harder than knives and far harder than fists. They certainly aren't silent or discreet, even with silencers. In general they require less investment to be very deadly with (as opposed to extremely deadly like Revy), but are less flexible by way of balance.
If we chose Guns I'd like to get the Wealth perk as well, because otherwise we can run out of guns or ammo.
Also, we'd be able to but better guns.
Also, we'd be able to but better guns.
HymnOfRagnarok
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Hmm. Well, with our dexterity would we hit very deadly levels, and with choosing guns hit extremely deadly levels?
Or perhaps give an example of how a Guns user would handle a situation versus the Savate user? If that's not too complicated.
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I just want to be a criminal Spider-man.
HymnOfRagnarok
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Spiderman without Spider Sense?
Not that it doesn't sound fun to bounce around like him, especially if we max out our physical stats, it's just that's almost as iconic as his wall crawling and gymnastics, and arguably more valuable than either of them.
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Guns aren't even that scary.
Now knives, those'll get someone to talk.
Not to mention that they're easier to conceal and they're a good balance between lethal/disable attacks.
Hell of a lot quicker than unarmed in taking someone down too.
Add that to Legendary Dexterity and we'd be a wraith.
Flowing across the field, where we touch, our enemies drop like flies.
Almost elegant in their execution, as we move ever closer to our target and our goal.
Now knives, those'll get someone to talk.
Not to mention that they're easier to conceal and they're a good balance between lethal/disable attacks.
Hell of a lot quicker than unarmed in taking someone down too.
Add that to Legendary Dexterity and we'd be a wraith.
Flowing across the field, where we touch, our enemies drop like flies.
Almost elegant in their execution, as we move ever closer to our target and our goal.
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HymnOfRagnarok
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I can't even take this seriously.
I know I'd be a hell of a lot more scared of a guy holding a gun instead of a knife. Especially if I'm holding a gun.
And if you're interrogating someone, you're not fighting and you don't need supernal skill.
It's not the knife or the gun that makes this my opinion, it's the context of the person who holds the knife or the gun.
If they're good enough to last this long using knives instead, you bet I'm going to be more scared of them.
It's like going up against someone who has long hair in close-quarters. If they're that damn good that they can have long hair and not be a liability, they are scary skilled.
Guns can make any two-bit thug a threat, but being on the level of top assassins while using knives gives an idea of how fucking scary they are.
The same could be said of fists.
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It be hard, but it'd be fun.
HymnOfRagnarok
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Yeah, I'm not convinced. Unique Weapon = Certified Badass is pretty prevalent, but there's a reason modern warfare is done with guns. One twitch of the finger, a shot you can't see, bam, done. They're the great equalizer. And for that matter, by your argument people should be more scared of us than Revy.
Look, the knives and guns have more stealth and discretion. But if you do not have a healthy respect for the lethality and danger of a gun then you either don't have much experience with guns or are suicidally foolhardy.
We may be inured from seeing guns in fiction a lot, or guns being foiled by melee weapons, but at the end of the day in pure lethality guns reign supreme. Which includes handguns, snipers, explosives, et cetera.
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Revy's a main character, and on a whole 'nother level.
HymnOfRagnarok
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If you need to use meta-justification for IC interaction you've already failed.
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You shoot the guy with the knives. He keeps coming at you.
You shoot him again. He sends a knife flying into the forehead of the guy next to you. He keeps coming at you.
You shoot him again, aim wobbling this time, missing by a mile. He's on top of you.
Cold steel gleams in the pale moonlight.
Fine.
She's one of the top gun fighters in the world. Or at least the entire show.
HymnOfRagnarok
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If they're already firing, stealth is officially shot and pointless. Guns would do the job faster in an open confrontation.
I don't see how much reason to care about whether the dead man voids their bowels before or after they expire.
That sounded worse than I meant it. It's a fun thought I guess, but if we intend to kill someone then just kill them. If we want to scare them, they need to be alive for that to be worth something.
And she is rightfully feared because of how deadly guns are in her hands.
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