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Kancolle designs for DD mental models?
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Technically, just because she can calculate all possible iterations does not mean that Lelouch can't force her into a longer game. That could very well qualify as giving her some "difficulty." I wonder if anyone actually proposed the math needed to actually solve chess in this world or if it was even made public. Given the love that the aristocracy has for the game I wouldn't be surprised if the moment the equation is discovered, a britannian assassin squad pops up and kills everyone involved. Though I wonder what Lelouch would do if you handed him a slip of paper with the math on it? He was doing the calculations for his shield wizardry in the Gawain after all.
Fallenblades643
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I would not be surprised if a Kongou-Class was in the pipe for production. It would make an excellent choice to oversee raider actions, thus freeing up more time in general.
As for what the main raiders would be, might I suggest Fletcher class DD's?
5 5 inch guns a mess of nearly a dozen 40mm's and 20mm each, 10 torps, and 2 depth charge racks.
Scary DD is scary.
As for what the main raiders would be, might I suggest Fletcher class DD's?
5 5 inch guns a mess of nearly a dozen 40mm's and 20mm each, 10 torps, and 2 depth charge racks.
Scary DD is scary.
Generalissimo
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From your picture I'm concluding the answer is cats?Although they normally don't, destroyers can absolutely have mental models. It's a matter of processing power, as a union core capable of running one would normally also have a larger ship, but that's largely up to the AI in question. I could imagine a sufficiently odd one deciding that a destroyer hull fits her better.
Alternately, of course, a larger ship can lend some CPU time.
There are some people I'd find it very amusing to see...
Cats don't have a human's mental complexity.
Therefore cat Mental Models are ideal for destroyers?
Stahor
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For Fog form is not equal to function. At all. Mass and processing power is.
Z000
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Shinkiro not Gawain
Gawain didn't have the energy shielding
those came later
Khaos
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My point is that at a Mental model level, chess is more or less like tic tac toe where you can force every game to a draw by using a "best play" algorithm. Obviously chess is more complex, but it's mathematically solvable. Just like mastery of strategy won't help you win at tic tac toe, it won't help you win at chess against a hyper computer, there's no guessing, approximation or intuition to exploit.
Now, if it was go, it'd be different, the number of possible moves an board positions in go is absurdly higher than in chess, and it's more believable that even fog tech wouldn't have solved go yet.
That would could as "difficulty" I guess though I'd qualify it as tedious rather than difficult.
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Z000
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well there a lot of variation and prototype that was never use in the series and only get use in spin-off or just got put in magazine for advertisement
please use the one that are interesting, and not the one that suck
No, really. If nothing else it'll make Euphemia and Suzaku romance even more heart aching and sweet
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I like it! That would be really amusing! And the typical cat mentality is, er, just about right for destroyers.From your picture I'm concluding the answer is cats?
Cats don't have a human's mental complexity.
Therefore cat Mental Models are ideal for destroyers?
But the picture was a reference to Fubuki, who—apart from also being rather cute—just happens to be the spirit of the Fubuki destroyer class' name ship, also known as the "First modern destroyer". It would honestly be surprising if she doesn't turn up at some point, I'm just hoping she'll get a speaking part.
lancelot
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Don't you think Euphie got fucked over hard enough in canon?
Generalissimo
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If miss Yamato had really wanted to alter stations of canon. . .
. . . she would have considered preventing Middle Eastern Federation's end to begin with.
"It's Princess Cornelia! Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" *Death Scream*
(Arab commander guy didn't actually have any other dialogue)
*Random Explosions*
". . . wait a minute. . . What happened to all of those Gloucesters?"
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On the chess issue, current chess programs are in part so good due to experience in writing a good chess solving algorithm, if they don't have that they'd have to brute force it a bit more. Maybe do it a bit more via the human method or some such, which would be slower I imagine.
But those issues aside... there's a moderate chance that Lelouch might have found how she played chess a bit odd... a little off perhaps. Like the insights she used to plan her next move seemed a bit unnatural for a human to have. Like being able to think everything through to deeply in a sense? Less intuition and more straight up knowing in a sense.
PS, Is the Middle Eastern federation terrorism situation really actually normal? I mean... I know we're used to it being like that now, but previous empires have managed to pacify the place just fine. So an alternate reading is that something is blatantly happening there and we're just not noticing as it seems 'normal' to us.
But those issues aside... there's a moderate chance that Lelouch might have found how she played chess a bit odd... a little off perhaps. Like the insights she used to plan her next move seemed a bit unnatural for a human to have. Like being able to think everything through to deeply in a sense? Less intuition and more straight up knowing in a sense.
PS, Is the Middle Eastern federation terrorism situation really actually normal? I mean... I know we're used to it being like that now, but previous empires have managed to pacify the place just fine. So an alternate reading is that something is blatantly happening there and we're just not noticing as it seems 'normal' to us.
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Generalissimo
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It might actually go further. Unlike reality playing a game of chess in Code Geass will somehow grant a grandmaster incredibly nonsensical amount of insight about your opponent. Paying a game against Lelouch might in retrospect have been a horrible mistake for Yamoto if he can do a faction the R2 bullshit? "I've uncovered random facts about you just by a game of chess; because everybody knows that chess is magic!"
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jwolfe_beta
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Fleet of Fog and EnigmaTech OP. PLS nerf
Looks like destroyers get an upgrade without requiring heavier ships providing the computational power like Repulse had to do for Vampire.
Check and mate Cornelia, you can't always protect your little sister. Welcome to real war where you don't always win without losses.
Depending on how they hold/take out the canals it won't just be ocean-going trade that is disrupted but any land based shipments as well. Ouch.
Sounds like Yuzuki is having some fun.
And Youko is getting in on the pot-stirring.
And at that moment no destroyer entered a 10 kilometer radius region surrounding Youko's experiments until they heard testing was done. May be tin cans but they have self-preservation protocols.
And I think you need to tone down the bigatons in that sucker a bit if you intend to use it anywhere near things you want to keep intact.
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For a moment I had a bad feeling they'd super gravitational canon the things... but surely they wouldn't just give that super weapon away like that.... right?
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I presume that they'd want to occupy the canals in order to speed up their own fleet movements. Fog ships may be fast for their size but that's still a massive shortcut.
holyknight
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So Kongo AND CC have the same Seiyuu? Hmm... Much trolling could happen there.....
You have my approval for it, specially if it includes Maya to make CC feel the desire to commit suicide by Stupid overdose, several times.
You have my approval for it, specially if it includes Maya to make CC feel the desire to commit suicide by Stupid overdose, several times.
Dig a tunnel underneath with a super gravitational canon?
Because clearly this system is the solution to every nail. Also a lot of the enemy units aren't submersibles.
This drives me nuts every time I see it.
Panama and Suez are two VERY different issues.
Panama is easy to close and hard to open. Suez is hard to close and easy to open.
The difference is that Panama crosses a Continental Divide at altitude, while Suez is a sea-level canal.
To close Panama you only need to smash one set of locks or Gatun Dam. Doing this will instantly render the canal inoperable for about seven years AFTER the repairs (which can take 3-5 years on their own) are complete.
To keep Panama open, you have to take ALL of these facilities intact (not just the ones you intend to use, or the water will drain away). You then have to maintain CONSTANT! VIGILANCE! over both the entire canal zone (land AND water) and the entire Gatun Lake and Chagres River valley. Any slip-ups, and saboteurs will be able to sneak in and disable the canal. And that's a lot of lake to cover above and below water. And yes, you DO have to control the upper river valleys, or the locals can divert the water that would otherwise feed the canal.
Suez has different issues. Closing the Suez Canal is VERY hard unless you maintain an active garrison along the banks (Israel and Egypt after 1967). It's worth noting that the Nazis and Italians got subs and bombers in range of the canal during WWII and never damaged it. All of their attacks were focused on the British fleet at Alexandria. There are bridges over the canal, and tunnels under it, OTL. While the designs are likely different ITTL, none of the OTL crossings are capable of easily blocking the channel (deliberately so). Its possible to sink ships in the canal, but if the locals get desperate enough, they can pull things out pretty quickly. Mines can likewise be removed without too much difficulty (shallow and narrow).
On the other hand, it is quite possible to force one's way through the Suez Canal provide that one can ram through the block-ships and shrug off the artillery and missiles. A Fog battleship can do all of this.
Panama and Suez are two VERY different issues.
Panama is easy to close and hard to open. Suez is hard to close and easy to open.
The difference is that Panama crosses a Continental Divide at altitude, while Suez is a sea-level canal.
To close Panama you only need to smash one set of locks or Gatun Dam. Doing this will instantly render the canal inoperable for about seven years AFTER the repairs (which can take 3-5 years on their own) are complete.
To keep Panama open, you have to take ALL of these facilities intact (not just the ones you intend to use, or the water will drain away). You then have to maintain CONSTANT! VIGILANCE! over both the entire canal zone (land AND water) and the entire Gatun Lake and Chagres River valley. Any slip-ups, and saboteurs will be able to sneak in and disable the canal. And that's a lot of lake to cover above and below water. And yes, you DO have to control the upper river valleys, or the locals can divert the water that would otherwise feed the canal.
Suez has different issues. Closing the Suez Canal is VERY hard unless you maintain an active garrison along the banks (Israel and Egypt after 1967). It's worth noting that the Nazis and Italians got subs and bombers in range of the canal during WWII and never damaged it. All of their attacks were focused on the British fleet at Alexandria. There are bridges over the canal, and tunnels under it, OTL. While the designs are likely different ITTL, none of the OTL crossings are capable of easily blocking the channel (deliberately so). Its possible to sink ships in the canal, but if the locals get desperate enough, they can pull things out pretty quickly. Mines can likewise be removed without too much difficulty (shallow and narrow).
On the other hand, it is quite possible to force one's way through the Suez Canal provide that one can ram through the block-ships and shrug off the artillery and missiles. A Fog battleship can do all of this.
Stahor
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Can it be open with (repeated) use of Super Graviton Cannon?
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Um... the problem is that if you blow up the right floodgates of the Panama canal the lakes will run out of water and it'll take you years to refil them and to repair the damages from the flood.
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The Panama Canal is above sea level. You have to lift water up to it to fill it.
jwolfe_beta
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I think what he's suggesting is that the Fog dig a sea level trench/canal with the Grav cannons.
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