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No, but seriously, bribe the birb populations. Become the birb lord. It'll cost us maybe $20-$40 worth of associated treats a week, and in exchange we've got an omnipresent spy network and ins with all the other bird related factions.
 
plus we can go into biology and make a species whos sweat cures glaucoma and machlers since thats what high level life magic is capable of.
 
You know, if we do follow the pigeon path and we can get swole like what @ctulhuslp said then we can pretty much become a magical Mike Tyson, right?

I mean, more magical than he already is but yeah.
 
Funny Bunny said:
You know, if we do follow the pigeon path and we can get swole like what @ctulhuslp said then we can pretty much become a magical Mike Tyson, right?

I mean, more magical than he already is but yeah.
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I mean.
I am more excited about spirits of the city.
Like.
Say, spirits of the university library. The again, they probably feed on impotent tears of self-loathing, so maybe not.

Or maybe spirits of dorms and the like.
And spirits of Westminster, although that's probably a den of Seers so uh maybe not either.
 
Funny Bunny said:
You know, if we do follow the pigeon path and we can get swole like what @ctulhuslp said then we can pretty much become a magical Mike Tyson, right?

I mean, more magical than he already is but yeah.
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plus since were a lawyer we could possibly go the P.I route since legal knowledge is required to start our own and talking to spirits means easy access to info and possibly get criminal contacts by healing them with magic
 
Oh god we're going to ghost court.

By the way, is any of this related to Geist since Geist deals with spirits too?
 
Funny Bunny said:
Oh god we're going to ghost court.

By the way, is any of this related to Geist since Geist deals with spirits too?
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Honestly since were dealing spirits it would be stranger to NOT run into them, and since they are gheists they just would not die from sheer anime-esque willpower they will probably be handy allies in a pinch. Plus having guys and gals who are the closest thing to danny phantom as friends or at least not trying to kill us is probably a good idea
 
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OneArmedYeti said:
If we had picked the number two option Moros it would have been a big part of our kit.

We can still learn to do it.
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true we just learn slowly i mean if we see spirits and no humans odds are well make moros a priority once we get our ruling arcana established so to speak
from i understand we arent limited to life and spirit i think we just get a bonus to learning them
 
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Maugan Ra said:
Vote Called.

Looks like Zoo wins, so dear old James is going to walk the path of the Thyrsus! Your ruling Arcana are Life and Spirit; yours is the role of the shaman, the one who walks both sides of the Gauntlet and treats with the beings found in each place as an equal. Your inferior Arcanum is that of the Mind; magic of that kind requires that you think of your consciousness as something distinct from both body and soul, a point of distinction that does not come easily.
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I am very happy about this, because it means we can hard-lockdown any SV optimiser tendencies to self-edit via Mind.

An actual fixed personality! Hurrah!
 
EarthScorpion said:
I am very happy about this, because it means we can hard-lockdown any SV optimiser tendencies to self-edit via Mind.

An actual fixed personality! Hurrah!
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I like this legacy (or paths if Im not wrong we can take this charecter
Katsinam Suukya – The Katsinam Suukya are Thyrsus shamans that have dedicated their life to the preservation of many native beliefs and rituals that ensured a peaceful coexistence with the denizens of the Shadow. Additionally, they heavily rely on spirit guides and totems for personal guidance.
Basically modern shamans with a lot of old rituals. They also specialize in the spirit stuff and use it to help with possibly ending a feeling of emptieness
or if we dabble in mind we could be dreamspeaker eventually once we inevitably run into other mages.
 
Rjrulew said:
they are working for the guys who destroyed atlantis just so they could be the only ones with magic
one of the divisions motto is " utopia is attainable humanity must never know that" I.E a perfect world is possible and they don't like that idea since they wouldn't be in charge so they avert that by keeping humanity divided.
Another division of the main four wants to 1984 all of the universe so that no one can ever make moves against them
One literally governs violence and making sure that humanity is violent to never reach enlightenment by making things like Wars serial killing etc. and pushing people in general to be assholes and hurt each other so they can't focus on important issues like medicine and the like.
the fourth is the insanely self deluded and wants to genocide every non seer who is part of the masquerade since they buy into the hype that all others supernals are wrong and should not exist. So literal mega hitlers who have magic.
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"Mega Hitler"

An interesting turn of phrase there. Some might say that World War II resulted due to the machinations of ones who had reached Imperium, but who could know, really? That's aside the point, at any rate.

The Seers aren't supernaturally evil, not in the way people think they are. The point of them is that they're oh-so-very human antagonists. Everything they seek to achieve, they do in the name of the same sort of self-advancement we all indulge in. A Seer wants job security, the confidence that tomorrow won't present challenges she's not ready for, the ability to achieve the kind of life she wants for herself. For some, it's really no more than this desire that drives them; they simply want security in a world that contains terrible powers, and they're willing to do whatever it takes, even brainwashing and murder, to remain safe and secure.

Some Seers come to the Iron Pyramid out of simple fear. The Exarchs are too powerful to be opposed, so much as they don't care for the order's methods, they feel they have no actual choice in the matter. Every unpleasant task, for some reason, appeases their mysterious gods and staves off whatever terrible Old Testament wrath might otherwise erupt.

Generalising them as 'SUPER EVIL BAD GUYS' is...rather missing the point, I feel.
 
Stormwhite said:
The Seers aren't supernaturally evil, not in the way people think they are. The point of them is that they're oh-so-very human antagonists. Everything they seek to achieve, they do in the name of the same sort of self-advancement we all indulge in. A Seer wants job security, the confidence that tomorrow won't present challenges she's not ready for, the ability to achieve the kind of life she wants for herself. For some, it's really no more than this desire that drives them; they simply want security in a world that contains terrible powers, and they're willing to do whatever it takes, even brainwashing and murder, to remain safe and secure.

Some Seers come to the Iron Pyramid out of simple fear. The Exarchs are too powerful to be opposed, so much as they don't care for the order's methods, they feel they have no actual choice in the matter. Every unpleasant task, for some reason, appeases their mysterious gods and staves off whatever terrible Old Testament wrath might otherwise erupt.
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So being scared of uncertainty is an excuse for making sure that their are school shotting serial killers warlords and disease
And most people can make a choice between job security and being a complete piece of shit they choose to be a pieces of shit
Wanting job security is no excuse for more than likely causing ww2 and every major conflict and atrocity in history to keep humanity stupid awful and violent
The exarchs werent gods they were dickish mages who managed to become spiritual super beings who don't want others to share magic so they can piss on the world with no one being able to stop them so the old testament b.s is not part of the seer especially considering the god machine from demon the descent
@ctulhuslp
@ganonso
please educate stormwhite with non of our previous non obtuse way of stating it
 
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The 'average' Seer of the Throne, in so much as there is any such being, is someone who signed on with God for the paycheque.

Because the Exarchs, their terrible and fearsome masters? They made this world. Every rock and tree, every saint and sinner, is the product of the Fallen World that they created. The Diamond claim to be fighting a war, but the truth is that they lost millennia ago, and nothing they do is more than a momentary inconvenience to the winning side.

And that side tells you that you have magic, and that you should use it. It says you should use Forces to clear your debts, Life to make yourself beautiful, Mind to make everyone like you. The life of a Seer is one of wealth and comfort and power beyond the wildest dreams of the person you once were. And all you have to do... is serve God. Yeah, He's a bit of an arsehole, but the paycheque is literally out of this world.
 
chocolote12 said:
No, but seriously, bribe the birb populations. Become the birb lord. It'll cost us maybe $20-$40 worth of associated treats a week, and in exchange we've got an omnipresent spy network and ins with all the other bird related factions.
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Actually you can get a 4kg bag of wild bird seed at Asda for, like, £5. Which is enough to feed a flock of 30+ pigeons a full meal every day for a month. Seagulls are pretty happy to eat raisins, which are also fairly cheap for a big pack - honestly, for £10 a week you could keep a lot of birds very happy indeed.

(I know this from experience. The local pigeon flock on my route home from work recognises my face enough that they fly down and form a cloud of wings and cooing around me as soon as I come into view from their nesting area.)
 
Rjrulew said:
So being scared of uncertainty is an excuse for making sure that their are school shotting serial killers warlords and disease
And most people can make a choice between job security and being a complete piece of shit they choose to be a pieces of shit
Wanting job security is no excuse for more than likely causing ww2 and every major conflict and atrocity in history to keep humanity stupid awful and violent
The exarchs werent gods they were dickish mages who managed to become spiritual super beings who don't want others to share magic so they can piss on the world with no one being able to stop them so the old testament b.s is not part of the seer especially considering the god machine from demon the descent
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Who said the Seers were good people? They're not.

But they're human, in every possible way. They're just not necessarily the best of us - but they're equally not necessarily the worst of us. Whether or not they caused World War II is indeed something up for debate - some say it was them, others blame it on those mysterious beings who lie beyond the Imperial Road, and yet others say that it was merely the hubris of mankind that led them to it.

If a spiritual superbeing made this world, possesses the power to unmake it, and can fulfil my every desire in exchange for my service...in what way is it not a god? And how arrogant of me would it be to even think about defying it?
 
Maugan Ra said:
The 'average' Seer of the Throne, in so much as there is any such being, is someone who signed on with God for the paycheque.

Because the Exarchs, their terrible and fearsome masters? They made this world. Every rock and tree, every saint and sinner, is the product of the Fallen World that they created. The Diamond claim to be fighting a war, but the truth is that they lost millennia ago, and nothing they do is more than a momentary inconvenience to the winning side.

And that side tells you that you have magic, and that you should use it. It says you should use Forces to clear your debts, Life to make yourself beautiful, Mind to make everyone like you. The life of a Seer is one of wealth and comfort and power beyond the wildest dreams of the person you once were. And all you have to do... is serve God. Yeah, He's a bit of an arsehole, but the paycheque is literally out of this world.
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doesnt mean it should be allowed and if they can rise then they can fall back down they used to be mortal before they climbed the celestial ladder meaning they could be dragged back down
No7sHere said:
Why does power give a being any right to my allegiance?
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Exactly just because its in power doesnt mean it should be or that they always will be
 
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Every single person alive right now, participating and perpetuating the capitalist system of trade and marketing is a Seer, ruining the life of someone else to enrich themselves. I am a Seer, you are a Seer, we are all Seers of the Throne.
 
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