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Red Soul: Back to the Future

NitroFumetsu said:
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Meaning it's an image of dream constructs. The people depicted aren't really them is what Oscar meant; they're just copies. Think Mal in Inception.

That said, it's definitely an IC response, and "calm, rational" responses are gonna be tough to pull off this vote, just an FYI.
 
[x] I know they're gone. But there's nothing wrong with having a portrait to remember them by. Dreams and memories are all I have left of them, after all.
[x] (quietly put portrait away, for safekeeping)
 
ImmortalsBlade said:
Guys look Kyoko needs to put the damn portrait away and realise she is losing it. We can reasonably assume the dream was something Kyoko created using her illusion powers as a coping mechanism. This isn't a good thing.

Oscar realises this too and is trying to help but apparently has been taking lessons from Kyoko on how to talk to people. Now one vote won't solve it but at the very least we can get Kyoko to start talking to Oscar and realising she created the dream to deal with all the horrific things she has experienced recently.
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Your interpretation aside, thagguy already hinted that calmly accepting Oscar's advice isn't going to work.

I think a civil response and subtle acknowledgement is less likely to fail on us.
 
Fafyrel said:
Sorry, but I'm not sure how this logically follows. If anything, Kyoko's insistence on seeing a good dream was what redeemed her from years of despair, and I'm not sure how keeping the memento will negatively affect things even so.
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If something happens to it that can't be repaired: Despair.
If someone steals it: Despair.
If she drops it and ruins it: Despair.

At least if it goes in the box it will be safe and we can look at it every now and again, but not have to freak out about it's safety all the time.
 
[X] ...It looks exactly like them. So what if it came from a dream?
--[X] I'm not going to go crazy over them, I have people to save.
--[X] But there's no reason not to call this a "real" picture.
(Assuming Oscar/Kyouplomacy doesn't screw things up.)
--[X] ... but I guess I can put it into the Box for safekeeping.
 
Are lifelike portraits common in Dark Souls? No photography, of course.

It occurs to me that Kyouko might have a different attitude toward rendered illustrations versus Oscar.
 
Mysterius said:
Are lifelike portraits common in Dark Souls? No photography, of course.
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Of course.

There are actually a few in the guest rooms in Anor Londo of random schmucks (amongst all the concept art that they used for in-game decoration) that I suspect FROM just took from real portraits and stuck in the game.
 
thagguy said:
Of course.

There are actually a few in the guest rooms in Anor Londo of random schmucks (amongst all the concept art that they used for in-game decoration) that I suspect FROM just took from real portraits and stuck in the game.
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Upper-class schmucks, I suppose?

Wars have been fought over idols and iconography in Earth's past; photography probably removed some of the power and mystique of lifelike paintings. Now with digital cameras, the use of photographs as mementos and keepsakes is entirely unremarkable.

Oscar may still have a point, but I'm not sure Kyouko is as likely to mistake a photo for the real thing as Oscar might think. (Though still the issue of whether Kyouko thinks to question where the dream came from.)
 
[x] I know they're gone. But there's nothing wrong with having a portrait to remember them by. Dreams and memories are all I have left of them, after all.
[x] (quietly put portrait away, for safekeeping)
 
Hah.

Seriously, though, we can either decide how we freak out, or we can try for rationality and let thagguy decide how we freak out.

One of these is more likely to work than the other.
 
Bit late, but I missed this earlier, so...
ImmortalsBlade said:
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Well yeah, Kyoko isn't going to accept putting it away. Hell my vote doesn't even mention putting it away. What we need to do is nudge Kyoko into realising why she created it in the first place and then go from there.
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I was thinking Kyouko could just tuck the photo away (perhaps wherever she keeps all that Pocky in her costume). Once it's out of sight, it should be easier to get moving.
 
ImmortalsBlade said:
It isn't a photo though, it's a highly realistic amber carving Kyoko created from one of her chains.
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Well, call it whatever you want. Perhaps the "dream" and memory token are signs of Kyouko spiraling into insanity, or a message from beyond the grave, or perhaps they are just an innocent memory token she's crafted.

Whatever the case may be, tucking the item away is both practical for Kyouko (she can't just carry it in her hand all the time) and may incidentally help ameliorate Oscar's disposition. Just trying to get the story, and Kyouko and Oscar, moving forward.
 
A part of you knows he's trying to help, that Oscar's just doing what he thinks is right.

The rest of you is too fucking angry to care.

"So fucking what if it's just an image of a dream! Dreams and memories were all I had left of them!" You shove the picture in his face. "Look! Now I have something, and I'm not going to lose it!"

"Kyoko, there's nothing actually to lose. I know you don't want to hear it, but this is going to hurt you more than it'll help-"

"Hurt me?" Your voice rises to a shriek. "Hurt me?" You jump to your feet. "You know what hurt me, you shitbrained, tin-can donkey's asshole? Having the last image of my mother and sister burned into my brain was their blood splattered over the kitchen! Now I have a picture of them smiling, and happy, and I'm not shoving it in a box or getting rid of it or anything else!"

He holds up his hands, and speaks slowly and calmly. "Kyoko, please. Just listen to me. I'm only trying to help."

You stare at him coldly. "Trying to help. Yeah. You've sure as fuck done a lot of that lately."

He's silent for a long moment. "Is that what this is really about?"

You ignore him, and walk out, transforming as you do; the picture goes with the rest of your stuff to wherever it's stored.

"I'm gonna go find the clone. Stay at the bonfire and don't make me put up the fucking chains again."

He doesn't move except to sigh and cross his arms. You leap away.

Unfortunately, there's no sign of the clone anywhere; just mosquitoes, those weird spider monsters, and an occasional leech the size of a goddamn small bear. You hop from one reasonably stable patch of ground to the next, but still no clues.

As you search, the adrenaline starts to wear off, and you can feel pressure behind your eyes again. You stop at the base of a pillar.

You really don't want to cry now. You squeeze your eyes shut, and punch the pillar. You open your eyes. There's a spider-web of cracks in the stone spreading a foot from your fist, which is of course broken.

Pain's fine. You can deal with pain. The tears hurt as your hand throbs in agony, but it's a good distract-

"Well, well. What is a girl like you doing in a place like this? The swamp is no place for pretty dresses and jeweled weapons."

[???]
 
ImmortalsBlade said:
We didn't have to try and justify it to him because we knew Kyoko would fucking scream it at him. We also didn't have to justify it to him because we knew he was fucking right and that yes Kyoko should listen to him. The trick was getting her to listen.
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Previous to this, the last memory of her mom and momo was them dead on the floor, and she had no momentos at all to remind her of happy times before. She is absolutely 100 percent justified in wanting to keep the plate as a momento.
 
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