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Rebel Moon

Vympel said:
Maybe it's good that when the villain sends in special forces troops ("Krypteia") that they're actually good at their jobs as opposed to being useless mooks who exist to get effortlessly killed by the hero character? She killed like half of them (4 out of 8, I think), what's the problem?
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Nemesis had a good chunk of an entire previous movie hyping her up, plus a flashback scene showing that she's supposed to be badass enough to cut off her own arms. The Krpteia have a fancy name and mildly more impressive costume. That is just massively unimpressive for the amount of time the audience has spent on her, and the random defecting soldier who was there didn't even die, either.

Compare to Duncan Idaho versus the Saurdakaur in Dune, the latter received the scene on Salusa Secunda and the scene in the battle of Arrakeen where they take out Atreides troops that were holding out against Harkonnen forces. The film has least tried to sell the audience that these goons have skill to back up their fancy name. And Duncan Idaho did not need to intervention of a small child to finish off the last of them before dying.
 
Funniest thing to me is that Part 2 released and we still don't know release date of R-Cut.
 
All I can say is that when we cut away from the pick up truck ad vibes of everyone harvesting wheat to some more space bullshit, only to cut back to Veldt where they were still harvesting wheat I got off my couch and said "I've seen enough".
 
Arthur Frayn said:
All I can say is that when we cut away from the pick up truck ad vibes of everyone harvesting wheat to some more space bullshit, only to cut back to Veldt where they were still harvesting wheat I got off my couch and said "I've seen enough".
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I guess Snyder's going for a Malick thing? That said, I don't remember that much harvesting from Days of Heaven.

Heck, in Seven Samurai you only get the harvesting at the end.
 
tankdrop24 said:
Nemesis had a good chunk of an entire previous movie hyping her up, plus a flashback scene showing that she's supposed to be badass enough to cut off her own arms. The Krpteia have a fancy name and mildly more impressive costume. That is just massively unimpressive for the amount of time the audience has spent on her, and the random defecting soldier who was there didn't even die, either.
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She killed a pretty cool spider monster in the previous movie, I don't think her skills need to be 'hyped up', they're clearly self-evident. Given the Krypteia troops weren't instantly slaughtered by her, clearly their fancy name is actually justified (unlike say, the Sardaukar, who can't easily kill a single guy despite having an overwhelming numerical advantage, and who beat the Atreides troops so easily partly because they took them from behind and ruined their defensive formation). I mean yeah in other movies where such baddies exist not to pose any legitimate challenge in skill to the heroes (the challenge the Sardaukar actually pose in Dune is primarily their numbers), but to make the heroes look good in comparison. Perfectly valid choice, fun to watch, but not what this movie is doing, and that's refreshing IMO.

Where the scene is let down in comparison to Dune is that the fight choreography just isn't anywhere close to the same league, but few movies are a match for Dune's impeccable vibes in that respect. Could've done better.
 
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AKuz said:
Do you like it when the protagonist has zero agency and makes no decisions except that which is instantly undone by All Middle Sliders Man her inexplicable default love interest?
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That confrontation with Noble when they first arrive on the planet didn't make much sense to me. Like, you know how the Empire operates, you know the Empire targets civilians (which is presumably why you had Nemesis with them to prevent them from being taken hostage), and you know that you have no reason to trust he will actually hold to his word once he has you now that the village has been rebellious (because that's basically the same thing that happened to Tidus, he surrendered for the sake of his men and the Empire gunned them all down anyway)

I mean I get why she made that decision, I just don't know why she thought it would get the outcome she wanted.
 
Azecreth said:
That confrontation with Noble when they first arrive on the planet didn't make much sense to me. Like, you know how the Empire operates, you know the Empire targets civilians (which is presumably why you had Nemesis with them to prevent them from being taken hostage), and you know that you have no reason to trust he will actually hold to his word once he has you now that the village has been rebellious (because that's basically the same thing that happened to Tidus, he surrendered for the sake of his men and the Empire gunned them all down anyway)

I mean I get why she made that decision, I just don't know why she thought it would get the outcome she wanted.
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I'd like to hear what Snyder says about it because yeah that's all 'on the page' - Gunnar even says as she's telling him that she's going to leave with Noble (obviously) "he's lying to you". It's not like he's unaware of the situation he's written. If I had to guess, in that moment its Kora's moment of doubt being used to make the peasants of Veldt the agents / heroes, by having them choose to fight where their larger-than-life hero has had a moment of doubt and will not.
 
Vympel said:
She killed a pretty cool spider monster in the previous movie, I don't think her skills need to be 'hyped up', they're clearly self-evident. Given the Krypteia troops weren't instantly slaughtered by her, clearly their fancy name is actually justified (unlike say, the Sardaukar, who can't easily kill a single guy despite having an overwhelming numerical advantage, and who beat the Atreides troops so easily partly because they took them from behind and ruined their defensive formation). I mean yeah in other movies where such baddies exist not to pose any legitimate challenge in skill to the heroes (the challenge the Sardaukar actually pose in Dune is primarily their numbers), but to make the heroes look good in comparison. Perfectly valid choice, fun to watch, but not what this movie is doing, and that's refreshing IMO.

Where the scene is let down in comparison to Dune is that the fight choreography just isn't anywhere close to the same league, but few movies are a match for Dune's impeccable vibes in that respect. Could've done better.
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Firs of all, 'hyping up' is literally just a textual flourish on my part to say established, second, even if their skills are evident in-universe, that's not really satisfying to an audience?

Like, let's be honest here, being a blatant knock off of seven samurai, this is a movie that is dependant on spectacle a lot more than Dune is. The woman with the red lightsabers and cool robot arms going down to a bunch of slightly fancier guys with guns is flipping lame.

And this is a movie with what feels like half an hour of slow motion wheat harvesting, it absolutely had the running time to have a scene of like, the Krpteria killing a bunch of rebels or something to establish they're that dangerous.
 
tankdrop24 said:
Firs of all, 'hyping up' is literally just a textual flourish on my part to say established, second, even if their skills are evident in-universe, that's not really satisfying to an audience?

Like, let's be honest here, being a blatant knock off of seven samurai, this is a movie that is dependant on spectacle a lot more than Dune is. The woman with the red lightsabers and cool robot arms going down to a bunch of slightly fancier guys with guns is flipping lame.

And this is a movie with what feels like half an hour of slow motion wheat harvesting, it absolutely had the running time to have a scene of like, the Krpteria killing a bunch of rebels or something to establish they're that dangerous.
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*insert Adam Sandler in Uncut Gems saying "I disagree" gif here*

She didn't go down to a bunch of slightly fancier guys with guns, she went down to primarily sword-wielding bad guys like herself - obviously they're particular to elite troops since noone else is equipped with them as standard (also, they burn your hand if you grip them bare handed).

The krypteia are established to be dangerous by their not instantly going down to her in the same fight. You don't need to have them wiping out villagers (who wouldn't realistically be any challenge in hand to hand combat anyway) to do this.

However to expand on what I said before, I think they could've sold it better if the choreography was up to snuff, but it isn't. It never gets a good 'flow' or 'rythym' going in this fight, and it lets it down (both for Nemesis and the Krypteia). I might add that a lot of the Sardaukar badassery effect in Dune is down to how well they move. They seem very dangerous, even if they're not that much of a threat individually. Rebel Moon just isn't on this level.

And because it is a Seven Samurai homage, as noted before, some of the Seven Samurai get killed by the baddies. Subjectively, insisting they must be killed by some super badass enemy boss is just a tired trope that just marks anyone less than that as utterly non-threatening and a mere prop for the hero to show off. There's no sense of tension or surprise in that trope left whatsoever. Its an entirely different experience. But the execution is wanting IMO.
 
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Just finished part 2. Holy shit one of the worst movies I have ever seen, especially when you factor in the relative time money and effort that went into it. The dialog and scenes feel rushed and amateur beyond a level I would believe Snyder was capable, so many lines felt like actual placeholders. After three and a half hours of our time he knows he needs to do a roll call of the cast because on some level he knows that they are flat boring characters.
I don't know if the action porn esq slo mo shots of them harvesting wheat was a middle finger to the audience after the last movies plot got criticized over hinging on a field full of wheat but it would not be the first time *Couch couch* Halleujah *cough cough*.
The action is also a lot worse in places, it lacks the punch of blood and grime and dust the original had at least a bit... one of the Rebel Moon rebels... the one with the gryfon who is like a magical prince and ran around with two axes in the finale... I am convinced he either had really bad direction or defaulted to previous stunt and background work because holy shit he had some really bad takes. his axes always looked obviously rubber, they never got bloody or dirty no matter how many times he used them... a bunch of "kills" don't make any sense since he just sorta slaps people with the flat bit of his axes and they go hurtling to the ground.
Despite the film blatantly stealing from 7 samurai and Warhammer it looked more boring then the first one, there was less variety in locations so we didn't get much of the medieval Japan meets old west which was the best thing about the last movie. Also the imperial's tech looks weirdly primitive which I guess comes from the warhamer stuff they stole but its still weird to see ww1 submarine controls and a coal burning engine complete with teams of shirtless men shoveling coal on a star ship.

Its just bad in so many ways, its impossible to care about anything on screen because everything is either blatantly stolen and or a 1 dimensional cut out and its impossible to be intrigued by the plot because the movie has no subtlety, it will just say a thing and then do it. It barely felt like a real movie to me, it was more like one of those youtube videos that summarizes and explains movies in half an hour... except those videos have less slo mo wheat harvesting.
 
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A good example of the writing being fundamentally weak is the longhouse full of women and children. As the imperial guard descend from orbit they scan the village and see one of the longhouses looks like its full of life signs equivalent to women or children, they then explain how they will kidnap the children to force the village into compliance, simple enough bad guy speak.
Then a bit later after the reveal Robo Richard spencer is still alive he mentions that as they speak his elite guard are capturing the women and children to force the village into compliance.
we then see the elite guard approach the longhouse and we cut to see women and children with guns behind barricades preparing their defense
We then see the elite guard breach the longhouse... and there is the women and children... do I need to explain why that's dumb?
The narrative demands a subversion, they bust down the door and see they have fallen into some kind of clever trap, bombs go up beneath their feet or maybe the bio signs they saw earlier were actually ravenous alien animals they corraled into the building as a trap and we get a fun image of a squad of tropers being mauled by alien bears and wolves etc. Even them not being there at all and then we cut back to the women and children and pull out revealing they were never in the longhouse and instead were in some caves miles away or something... or something is the key here, anything remotely clever or interesting or subversive.
 
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Alex said:
A good example of the writing being fundamentally weak is the longhouse full of women and children. As the imperial guard descend from orbit they scan the village and see one of the longhouses looks like its full of life signs equivalent to women or children, they then explain how they will kidnap the children to force the village into compliance, simple enough bad guy speak.
Then a bit later after the reveal Robo Richard spencer is still alive he mentions that as they speak his elite guard and capturing the women and children to force the village into compliance.
we wee the elite guard approach the longhouse and we cut to see women and children with guns behind barricades preparing their defense
We then see the elite guard breach the longhouse... and there is the women and children... do I need to explain why that's dumb?
The narrative demands a subversion, they bust down the door and see they have fallen into some kind of clever trap, bombs go up beneath their feet or maybe the bio signs they saw earlier were actually ravenous alien animals they corraled into the building as a trap and we get a fun image of a squad of tropers being mauled by alien bears and wolves etc. Even them not being there at all and then we cut back to the women and children and pull out revealing they were never in the longhouse and instead were in some caves miles away or something... or something is the key here, anything remotely clever or interesting or subversive.
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I KNOW RIGHT?

Kora was supposed to be like, one of the most elite Imperial people to ever Imperial and it would establish that if she's like 'I know how they operate' and is already three steps ahead. Instead we get quite possibly one of the lamest lightsaber fights in cinematic history.
 
tankdrop24 said:
I KNOW RIGHT?

Kora was supposed to be like, one of the most elite Imperial people to ever Imperial and it would establish that if she's like 'I know how they operate' and is already three steps ahead. Instead we get quite possibly one of the lamest lightsaber fights in cinematic history.
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It would make perfect sense for Kora or Titus to outplay them in some way and it would also thematically make sense, the empires performative cruelty is actually a weakness because it makes them really predictable.

here is another obvious missed opportunity... the Imperials call in the big heavy spider tanks into the field after their initial waves of infantry get bogged down... Big heavy spider tanks... into a big open field the rebels have had plenty of opportunity to mess with. Maybe as soon as the tanks start advancing the villagers overload the watermains, flooding the field and trapping the spider tanks in mud. Maybe they dug tunnels underneath the field that can be collapsed to trap the spider tanks in a ditch? No the tanks are taken out with a rocket launcher and a grenade dropped by a robot.

Zack... why did you spend so much time and effort to establish this location as a rural farming community and then have the action just be generic sci fi battle stuff?
 
variety.com

Zack Snyder’s ‘Rebel Moon’ Director’s Cut First Look: ‘Sexier, Bloodier’ Movies Get New Titles and August Release Date

Zack Snyder's 'Rebel Moon' director's cut gets a Netflix release date and new titles.
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The "sexier, bloodier" versions of his Netflix saga will drop on August 2, with two newly titled chapters instead of two parts. Originally released as "Rebel Moon – Part One: A Child of Fire" and "Part Two: The Scargiver," the director's cuts will be called "Rebel Moon — Chapter One: Chalice of Blood" and "Chapter Two: Curse of Forgiveness."
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I can't wait for the Void of Earth and Mission of Operation. A Child of Fire is a... acceptable title, I suppose and Chalice of Blood is only mildly over the top edgy but Scargiver and Curse of Forgiveness? God, those names suck.
 
silentorphan said:
variety.com

Zack Snyder’s ‘Rebel Moon’ Director’s Cut First Look: ‘Sexier, Bloodier’ Movies Get New Titles and August Release Date

Zack Snyder's 'Rebel Moon' director's cut gets a Netflix release date and new titles.
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This image is fucking bonkers (compliment). You just know how cut down the 'Netflix cuts' are because in that cut this - which I assume is the core of the engine room - opens its eyes and looks at Kora and its intriguing but it goes no further - this does.

This is a nice Snyder getting his AOTC on:

 
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Rebel Moon — Part One: Director's Cut is 204 minutes long. Rebel Moon — Part Two: Director's Cut runs for 173 minutes.

I already wasn't too interested in them to begin with; looking at those numbers makes me even more disinclined to watch either.

Now available on Netflix.
 
silentorphan said:
Rebel Moon — Part One: Director's Cut is 204 minutes long. Rebel Moon — Part Two: Director's Cut runs for 173 minutes.

I already wasn't too interested in them to begin with; looking at those numbers makes me even more disinclined to watch either.

Now available on Netflix.
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I've seen all of Part 1 DC and am partially in to Part 2. They're far superior to the PG13 cuts in pretty much every way. Highly enjoy them so far. Snyder is at his best when he can take his time and indulge himself fully. Wonderful shots that go really hard, very fun scifi violence (what blasters would do if Star Wars wasn't PG, lol), and some of the most confronting scenes of a genocidal space fascist empire on a rampage I've ever seen put on screen. Add some much needed worldbuilding (the Imperium and its technology is wonderfully weird, especially the Kali) and connective tissue (especially a lot of fleshed out flashbacks from Kora's past with Balisarius and the slain King) missing from the PG cuts, lot of fun for me.

However I think everyone's mind is made up about Rebel Moon, if you didn't like the PG cuts I doubt the DCs would change your mind. If you liked the PG cuts you'll love the DCs.
 
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