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Rebel Moon

WestOrEast said:
I think my treatment of Seven Samurai on the moon will tread some bold new creative ground.
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It might. Just because something has been done before doesn't mean it can never be done again. The question is whether it can be done well, or in a new and interesting way. I'm not optimistic that Zack Snyder will achieve that.
 
tankdrop24 said:
Star Wars did Seven Samurai in space in a Clone Wars arc.

ROGER CORMAN did Seven Samurai in space.

There was even an attempt to do GUNDAM but Seven Samurai in Space!!!!

I am sick of people acting like they're creative genius because they've thought of Seven Samurai in space!
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Hey Roger Corman is a creative genius! Just uh... not one who makes good movies.
 
tankdrop24 said:
Star Wars did Seven Samurai in space in a Clone Wars arc.

ROGER CORMAN did Seven Samurai in space.

There was even an attempt to do GUNDAM but Seven Samurai in Space!!!!

I am sick of people acting like they're creative genius because they've thought of Seven Samurai in space!
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And Star Wars did it a second time in The Mandalorian. One could even argue that both Justice League and the Avengers film it aped were "doing a Seven Samurai".

As I think Arthur Frayn said, at least dig a little deeper and do Sword of Doom instead. Hell, do Ran in space.
 
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Part 2 released today...

IGN verdict?

4

I ain't gonna watch it, but how badly Snyder screwed up the movie that IGN gives it 4?!?!!?
 
There's a scene where all 4 of the Rebel Moon party members sit around a table and exposit their backstories to each other for ten minutes. Synder's approach to show not tell is torturous slow-mo shots of a character's backstory as they monologue it to you, and all of the backstories ultimately boil down to "the evil empire came, killed my family/comrades so I swore vengeance".

However, the film starts with a ten-minute sequence of grain being harvested in slow motion, 10/10. I hope Rebel Moon part three gets greenlit, so I can see Synder waste even more of Netflix's money on trying to make random slow-mo shots he thinks are cool into a coherent film (it doesn't work).
 
Seriously how much did Zach Snyder get into agriculture making this movie? It's bizarre how much focus on wheat there is.

Though it's funny....because the whole plot is "Protect the village" and the amounts of destruction probably reduce most of it to cinders.

Oh well I guess they'll have plenty of bodies to use as fertilizer for next year crop.
 
I rate a solid 'meh' out of 10 for a whole bunch of reasons, most of which involve me not caring about the cast and not really being given a reason to care. I think my favorite part was learning that not only did Belisarius do the assassination of the King/Queen/Princess (which I expected), the man was so extra that he brought an orchestra specifically to provide mood music for the attempt.
 
I really enjoyed Part 2. I don't much like to moan about critical response, but the critical pile-on about this movie (and I mean Part 1 and 2 together because they are very much the product of a single production) has been the most overwrought exercise in overstatement since I walked out of Chronciles of Riddick in 2004 and found out critics brutally panned it. Anyway I loved CoR too. I love scifi that's weird and doesn't go out of its way to explain itself, and Rebel Moon has that in spades.

The King's Gaze's neurallink having a face with eyes that open and look at Kora when she's planting bombs? The fuck? That's awesome. And it requires no explanation.

Also, its kind of messed up I have to watch something like Rebel Moon to see a scifi battle with an actual strategy and tactics and field engineering, and big intimidating tanks that don't have obvious weaknesses that make no sense, and enemies who aren't a pack of drooling incompetents. Just saying.
 
the only good part of this movie was King's Gaze, everything about it is cool as fuck and elevates every scene she's in by her pure presence.
 
variety.com

Netflix Top 10: ‘Baby Reindeer’ Leads TV Chart, ‘Rebel Moon — Part Two’ Debuts as Most-Watched Title

'Rebel Moon — Part Two: The Scargiver' debuted as Netflix's most-watched title of the week, while 'Baby Reindeer' jumped to the top of the TV chart.
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The most-watched title of the week overall was "Rebel Moon — Part Two: The Scargiver," the follow-up to Zack Snyder's 2023 film "Rebel Moon — Part One: A Child of Fire." The movie hit 21.4 million views in its first three days of availability, putting it slightly behind "Part One," which reached 23.9 million views in the same amount of time.
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Fair. In the meantime I've actually read some hot space fantasy that fucks, and can recommend Ashes of the Sun. Lots of fun, and the coolest not-lightsabers I've seen so far.
 
bluntblade said:
For all that, I'm yet to hear anyone talk about it. Has anyone here watched it?
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I haven't, but some online reviewers that I watch have, and the general opinion seems to be "meh." More specifically, that Part 1 is half a movie padded out to two hours with a lot of stuff that's just irrelevant and never comes up again.
 
bluntblade said:
For all that, I'm yet to hear anyone talk about it. Has anyone here watched it?
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Do you like a full half hour devoted to slow motion grain?

Do you like all a man who has the personality of cardboard and whose appearance is all middle sliders at character creation?

Do you like Diagetic music at an assassination attended by fourty of your closest friends dressed in both suits and togas at once?

So you like it when Characters sit down and have their names, charafter traits, and backstories carefully explained to you over another half hour period?

Do you like it when the protagonist has zero agency and makes no decisions except that which is instantly undone by All Middle Sliders Man her inexplicable default love interest?

Do you like watching a small Aryan child stab a guy with a butter knife?

Do you like an actually pretty sick nasty interwar aesthetic spaceship with stokers putting Space Coal into the Space Boilers?

Do you like your protagonists butchering a team of medics who were earnestly and enthusiastically trying to save their lives?

Then scargiver is the movie for you!
 
bluntblade said:
OK, I actually need to know how this happens.
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The protagonist and her love interest Default Man pretend to be wounded Imperial soldiers to get aboard the enemy flagship.

A team of medics move heaven and earth to try to "save" these two. Then they just murder them without warning or hesitation.
 
AKuz said:
Do you like watching a small Aryan child stab a guy with a butter knife?
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Not just any guy, mind you. The vaguely elite mook that just fatally wounded the woman with the lightsaber.

She is possibly the lamest character to wield a laser sword including most inquisitiors. Like Snyder at least could have had her go up against the main villain and get killed, like the actual chucklefuck who tried to sell off the wheat to the empire did. Instead, she's taken down by some schmucks and can't even finish off the one that killed her without help from a literal child.
 
tankdrop24 said:
She is possibly the lamest character to wield a laser sword including most inquisitiors. Like Snyder at least could have had her go up against the main villain and get killed, like the actual chucklefuck who tried to sell off the wheat to the empire did. Instead, she's taken down by some schmucks and can't even finish off the one that killed her without help from a literal child.
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Well, not to defend Rebel Moon because I haven't seen either of them, and it's been too long since I last watched Seven Samurai, but IIRC, in The Magnificent Seven, both the original and the remake, some of the protagonists are killed off in unceremonious ways.
 
silentorphan said:
Well, not to defend Rebel Moon because I haven't seen either of them, and it's been too long since I last watched Seven Samurai, but IIRC, in The Magnificent Seven, both the original and the remake, some of the protagonists are killed off in unceremonious ways.
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Neither of those films spent an entire extra movie just gathering the protagonists.
 
tankdrop24 said:
Neither of those films spent an entire extra movie just gathering the protagonists.
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It's been a minute since I've seen them, but I'm pretty sure that both films (Seven Samurai and The Magnificent Seven) have collected all seven heroes, gotten them up to speed on the mission, and started training the peaceful villagers by like, the thirty minute mark.
 
Arthur Frayn said:
It's been a minute since I've seen them, but I'm pretty sure that both films (Seven Samurai and The Magnificent Seven) have collected all seven heroes, gotten them up to speed on the mission, and started training the peaceful villagers by like, the thirty minute mark.
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Also I'm pretty sure they actually spent more time on slow motion harvesting wheat then the actual training.
 
bluntblade said:
For all that, I'm yet to hear anyone talk about it. Has anyone here watched it?
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I enjoyed it. I expect I'll enjoy the director's cut more, the Netflix cut is clearly a compromised film. And it is appropriate to treat them as one film, given it was one continuous production.

AKuz said:
Do you like your protagonists butchering a team of medics who were earnestly and enthusiastically trying to save their lives?

Then scargiver is the movie for you!
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I can see where some of the critiques come from, but this? This team of medics serves on a warship that in the previous movie scoured the surface of a planet clean with a giant space cannon for the crime of harboring rebels. They're the loyal soldiers of outright genocidal fascists doing their job on the heroes in disguise as their fellow fascists, they had it coming just like everyone else on that ship.

tankdrop24 said:
Not just any guy, mind you. The vaguely elite mook that just fatally wounded the woman with the lightsaber.

She is possibly the lamest character to wield a laser sword including most inquisitiors. Like Snyder at least could have had her go up against the main villain and get killed, like the actual chucklefuck who tried to sell off the wheat to the empire did. Instead, she's taken down by some schmucks and can't even finish off the one that killed her without help from a literal child.
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Maybe it's good that when the villain sends in special forces troops ("Krypteia") that they're actually good at their jobs as opposed to being useless mooks who exist to get effortlessly killed by the hero character? She killed like half of them (4 out of 8, I think), what's the problem?
 
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