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Puella Magi Interficio Antitheus

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LostDeviljho said:
I believe I've stated my opinion on trying to use philosophical terminology to inflate Madokami's ability.
Witches have physical existence, thus anything with a physical existence can interact with them.
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And Madoka explicitly doesn't have a physical existence. And again ignore it all you want, but Mami said that Madoka was literally becoming Hope. And explicitly not merely bringing hope.

Note how almost none of that is her wish and just her being philosophical and reassuring Homura.
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It's talking about her wish and what it does.

There's nothing in the wish saying it wouldn't.
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Which means that it's impossible for it to be done under exact wording. Exact wording requires that absolutely nothing extra be added.

Your point?
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If it was exact wording, she'd have learned nothing else.

Maybe. I don't believe "intent" is it, though.
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Let's say, for arguments sake, that you are right and "intent" isn't it. It does prove that "something" that isn't exact wording is it. And as such, limiting Madoka to the exact wording of her wish is demonstrably incorrect to do.
 
Sereg said:
And Madoka explicitly doesn't have a physical existence. And again ignore it all you want, but Mami said that Madoka was literally becoming Hope. And explicitly not merely bringing hope.
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Yes, because Mami is totally an expert on metaphysics. /sarcasm

Sereg said:
It's talking about her wish and what it does.
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One paragraph is about her wish, the rest is just talking.

Sereg said:
If it was exact wording, she'd have learned nothing else.
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Untrue. MG powers are derived from their wish, and Oriko wished for knowledge. Her powers would've been related to knowledge regardless of how her wish fulfilled itself.

Sereg said:
Let's say, for arguments sake, that you are right and "intent" isn't it. It does prove that "something" that isn't exact wording is it. And as such, limiting Madoka to the exact wording of her wish is demonstrably incorrect to do.
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Maybe. Yet, even expanding to account for her entire paragraph-long wish, it doesn't lead to literally being hope.
 
Fair enough. I accept that even if I disagree with it. It does however lead to her knowing about Rebellion beforehand and being capable of doing something about it if she wanted to stop it.

EDIT: Also note that Madoka failed to disagree with Mami and she said "I don't care what I become"
 
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Nitpick, it wasn't Mami per se, according to the actual script, but "Mami (Hallucination)", and Urobuchi claims to have inspired that scene from Serial Experiments Lain.

He's probably referring to the scene where Lain becomes/always realizes she was God, and conjures an image of her father to talk to and emotionally help along her transition from ordinary girl to transcendent entity.

Even if it IS actually Mami, it's probably "Mami as delivered by the Law of Cycles" because Time is no object. In either case, I WOULD take Mami's word for the matter because she is part of the Law of Cycles one way or another.

This is starting to feel like an argument versus LostDeviljho's personal incredulity.
 
Perhaps. Either way, having taken a break and gotten something to eat, I find myself with little enthusiasm to continue the debate, as it doesn't really achieve anything.
 
Update coming soon*.

*soon can mean anything from tomorrow to two months from now.
 
RexHeller said:
The Devil, when she stole Madokami's power, became just as powerful as Madokami, just with out any of those pesky morals that were holding Madoka back. She started futzing about with the universe pretty much from the word go. However, she was also still a teenage girl and without the knowledge of what she was doing or a wish to guide the restructuring she was basically taking a sledgehammer to the place and putting back together with duct tape. After that she went "eh, good enough" and a hundred years later she was to far into her madness to notice when things started falling apart.
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So... Tatsuya is a hundred years old at the minimum. And yet he still has a child's body. And he had to live through hell because Homucifer was obsessed with Madoka and didn't care about anyone else, even Madoka's immediate family.

What. the. Hell. Homura! You seriously screwed up!

Go Tatsuya and Ryuubey! Do the impossible and destroy that messed up "demon".
 
boonerunner said:
So... Tatsuya is a hundred years old at the minimum. And yet he still has a child's body. And he had to live through hell because Homucifer was obsessed with Madoka and didn't care about anyone else, even Madoka's immediate family.

What. the. Hell. Homura! You seriously screwed up!

Go Tatsuya and Ryuubey! Do the impossible and destroy that messed up "demon".
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She had by that point gone very, very mad. And she was already quite mad to begin with.
 
Hey, guess what! I never asked for a tally! Isn't that silly of me!

But yeah, tally please.

Oh, and we have Sayacifer, Kyokocifer and Mamicifer. Is there Madocifer as well?
 
RexHeller said:
Hey, guess what! I never asked for a tally! Isn't that silly of me!

But yeah, tally please.

Oh, and we have Sayacifer, Kyokocifer and Mamicifer. Is there Madocifer as well?
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Many. brb.

Edit: they're all over the place when I'm not looking for them, but when they're what I actually want, they disappear. :confused:
 
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