Maiko's costume might look hilarious on Yui's body....
Maiko is all embarrassed about her costume normally, but when she swaps with Yui and sees Yui's costume on her body she has an identity crisis because she refuses to admit she likes her own better.

Well, the costumes do auto-fit to the body in ways beyond just size. Maiko as Yui would get a bit of the same sort of oversized boots/gloves thing Yui normally has, plus generally being somewhat, uh, cute-ified. Like the witch hat being a bit oversized with a floppy brim, stuff like that. Yui as Maiko would get taller boots, a smaller bow in the back, and generally looking more "military uniform" and less "school uniform".

What would really leave Maiko annoyed and somewhat mortified is if she swapped with Minami, because the resulting changes in the cut of their outfits would make it painfully obvious that Maiko is, uh, kinda flat-chested. Not that she'll ever admit to being bothered by that.
 
I second the Kiyomi notion. Even if it's for a chapter, I want to try it.

...she doesn't appear to have some major Personal Issue one could take care of to ascend her to the main character status, though. I think that's the prerequisite? No plot-sensitive reveals?

Alternatively, if she does, I wonder if it'd be as easy as asking her.
 
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Especially since she (correctly) anticipates that Minami is the kind of person who'd want to try switching bodies with someone just for the novelty value of the experience. Fortunately or unfortunately, they'd be far too embarrassed at the idea of swapping with each other to actually try it.



Yes, with the caveat that the number of meguca who are both sufficiently comfortable with the whole lichbomb thing to consider the idea and have enough mutual trust to actually do it is... a rather small number.



Yeah. Anything magical follows the Soul Gem, as do any purely neurological traits because the soul is a metaphysical representation of "what a brain does", give or take. Things that influence the mind but don't originate from it (e.g., blood sugar level, physical fatigue, various hormones) stay with the body, as you'd probably expect.



Based on the information Maiko found in her grimoire, she's nearly certain that all four are shards of a single person with essentially nothing left over. She's not sure whether the original girl's body died, was left comatose, disappeared via magic, or something else, just that whatever the case may be the girl probably isn't a functional person anymore.

It won't come up in-character until you're done with the newbies (unless you specifically want to ask Maiko about it sooner, I guess?) but yeah, I'm not gonna pretend that part is still a mystery. :V

That said, at this point you basically won't know anything else about the girl beyond "soul magic I guess?" and "four new friends for the price of one!", plus anything you can infer by assuming that Kyoufu and Muhou loosely represent facets of her personality rather than being completely new individuals (to what extent that's true is currently unclear, and it could be a bit of both).
Would it be possible for a magical girl in a different body to 'heal' their new body to match their old one with just basic magical girl magic, not unique wish magic?
 
I need this. I really really need this, Echo!
I second the Kiyomi notion. Even if it's for a chapter, I want to try it.

...she doesn't appear to have some major Personal Issue one could take care of to ascend her to the main character status, though. I think that's the prerequisite? No plot-sensitive reveals?

Alternatively, if she does, I wonder if it'd be as easy as asking her.

No plot-sensitive reveals or major plot-relevant decisions, basically. Minami confessing her crush and becoming meguca were the main limiters in her case, I think? I forget where I wrote this down, blah. Strictly speaking I should probably make Yui being witchbombed a prereq for any character that already knows about that, but Minami doesn't even want to think about that more than she has to so I'd probably veto her talking about the subject as being OOC anyway.

For Kiyomi... yeah, there's nothing major from Yui's perspective, but Kiyomi is still ultimately a minor character. Get to know her and her friends better, first? Honestly, if I'm gonna put any prereq on her it'd probably be something about her team being promoted to major supporting character status and being brought in to Yui's inner circle.

Would it be possible for a magical girl in a different body to 'heal' their new body to match their old one with just basic magical girl magic, not unique wish magic?
Kazumi Magica does suggest the body can be remodeled, but then they're like the poster child of inadvisably applied magic

Hm... in theory yes, because innate and automatic healing is tied to self-image and making the body match what it "should" be, but it'd be veeeery slow and hideously expensive to do a, uh, full conversion. It would also require that they fundamentally, 100% see the new body as their new body, not just a body they're borrowing or using. Conscious, deliberate healing magic, on the other hand, does healing in a more conventional sense and would just repair injuries.
 
I will admit that I'm kinda hoping you guys have Maiko unlocked as a playable perspective character by the time Kaoru is in town, because some of the potential scenes would be loads of fun to write from her perspective... not sure if that'll happen, though.
It varies. The short version is that 1) they need to be allies sharing territory with Yui and 2) their "Social Link" needs to be high enough that letting you guys see their internal monologue and control their actions won't give any particular advantage in how Yui interacts with them. That is, no major secrets or unresolved emotional issues regarding Yui. e.g., Minami won't be playable until she either confesses or moves on from her crush on Yui.

In Maiko's case there are three things that need to happen, one of which is Yui learning the witchbomb.
Oh, and for Maiko specifically there's one other way you could unlock her as a playable character, but you probably don't want to. :V
Oh, that reminds me--once things stabilize enough for Yui to have something of a fixed schedule with minimal chance of random invaders, switching to Minami's perspective for part of a day will be an option. Talking through her crush, her becoming meguca, and something to mitigate her issue with Natsuki were the primary gates there.
No plot-sensitive reveals or major plot-relevant decisions, basically. Minami confessing her crush and becoming meguca were the main limiters in her case, I think? I forget where I wrote this down, blah. Strictly speaking I should probably make Yui being witchbombed a prereq for any character that already knows about that, but Minami doesn't even want to think about that more than she has to so I'd probably veto her talking about the subject as being OOC anyway.

For Kiyomi... yeah, there's nothing major from Yui's perspective, but Kiyomi is still ultimately a minor character. Get to know her and her friends better, first? Honestly, if I'm gonna put any prereq on her it'd probably be something about her team being promoted to major supporting character status and being brought in to Yui's inner circle.
Okay, so! If we want to play Maiko, we've got to be witchbombed and two other things or surreptitiously switch our Soul Gems. We've unlocked Minami, and I'd like to try that, Echo, is there anything plot-related that would be fun to pilot Minami through? It's probably too late to fight these upcoming Witches from her perspective.

I don't know why you're assuming Kiyomi Watanabe is anything other than a major supporting character. She's the fan favorite!

I'd love to pilot Maiko through at least some of Kaoru's visit. How close are we getting? What if we promise not to witchbomb ourselves?

Would it be possible for a magical girl in a different body to 'heal' their new body to match their old one with just basic magical girl magic, not unique wish magic?
The real question is whether a magical girl can perform a hostile takeover of a normal person's body.

Based on the information Maiko found in her grimoire, she's nearly certain that all four are shards of a single person with essentially nothing left over. She's not sure whether the original girl's body died, was left comatose, disappeared via magic, or something else, just that whatever the case may be the girl probably isn't a functional person anymore.

It won't come up in-character until you're done with the newbies (unless you specifically want to ask Maiko about it sooner, I guess?) but yeah, I'm not gonna pretend that part is still a mystery. :V

That said, at this point you basically won't know anything else about the girl beyond "soul magic I guess?" and "four new friends for the price of one!", plus anything you can infer by assuming that Kyoufu and Muhou loosely represent facets of her personality rather than being completely new individuals (to what extent that's true is currently unclear, and it could be a bit of both).
Does anyone know where we can find all the King's horses and all the King's men?
 
The real question is whether a magical girl can perform a hostile takeover of a normal person's body.

Yes, in theory. Also from the last few pages:
That said, it is possible to forcibly break the soul-body connection, so if you know how to do that and can do so while not connected to a body you could bodyjack another meguca. (Or a non-meguca, if you don't mind killing them in the process.)
 
Does anyone know where we can find all the King's horses and all the King's men?
Real talk, Fear and Outrage seem to be people; if Despair and Memoir are also people, and can be persuaded not to continue to be a danger to themselves or others, I wouldn't be willing to attempt splicing them back together unless they explicitly wanted it. Not to mention that it's not clear there's a way to do so.

Now, provided we try to live with them, integration will be tricky. Fear and Outrage seem not to be on very good terms, at the very least. On the other hand, if we can get them to join up, they can help to hunt witches for no corruption cost, and Despair or Fear probably synergize well with Yui in a serious fight (Yui is perfectly happy to fight at range, and either of them could use their aura to stop anyone getting to close range). By the same token, "a steady supply of grief seeds" isn't a useful component of the offer.

"Someplace to belong" and "people to make friends with" are useful offers, though. On that note, maybe we ought to be a bit more gang-like (I don't know very much about gangs) in the sense of being a group that people can identify with. Real world gangs let young people with bleak prospects searching for a sense of identity belong to something, and that's part of the appeal. Now, I assume real gangs are more or less abusive to their members in a variety of ways that I'm not familiar with, but letting our members identify with the group at large seems productive.

So, more concretely, we've got a code of conduct derived from clear principles, and we've got turf. I think we just need a name, and to tell people formally that they're group members. Maybe also with an initiation, like an oath with some lightweight ceremony or something. There's a spectrum of options.

Or, as an alternative group identity, we could form a company. Choose a company name. Hire people, give them titles (Director of such-and-such) and formal responsibilities more or less in accord with what they're already doing. Do a run of T-shirts.
 
I wouldn't be willing to attempt splicing them back together unless they explicitly wanted it.
As far as I know, these people not only are unable to feel other emotions, they cannot even understand that they exist. They are crippled beyond the point of understanding that they're crippled.

That's a bit of an assumption, and we have a ways to go and lots to learn before this becomes relevant, but I'd argue that they're not medically of sound mind to be making these decisions.

And considering that at least 3/4 of these permanent emotional states are typically negative and associated strongly with suffering and unhappiness, I feel it's irresponsible not to cure them on account of them not understanding the cure.
 
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That's a bit of an assumption, and we have a ways to go and lots to learn before this becomes relevant
Strongly agree. Right now, my assumption is more optimistic than yours about the emotional range, and prospects for a fulfilling life, that they possess, and more pessimistic about what sort of meguca you could put together from the pieces. Like, if you just get someone permanently afraid, outraged, despairing and whatever memoir goes with, thats even worse, and that's possibly an irrecoverable mistake... not so good. Don't want to oopsie into that outcome. So, we'll see what we see. Improving their ability to cope as they are, in particular, has the advantage of not doing anything irreversible yet.
 
my assumption is more optimistic than yours about the emotional range, and prospects for a fulfilling life, that they possess, and more pessimistic about what sort of meguca you could put together from the pieces
Well the way I see if you've only got the one soul's worth of resources to go around. So you got 1/4 happy, 1/4 curious, 1/4 hopeful, 1/4 whatever, and a full dose of 4/4 fear in one girl. So fear dominates all the time. She's capable of that other stuff, but it's difficult and muted in comparison, and she's completely incapable of anger or despair, being at 0/4. While lacking in despair is arguably a good thing, in this context its because a different girl is full of it all the time, not a net positive. And fear can't even understand what her 'sister' is going through, to the point where she'll completely lack in empathy for anything despair or anger related.

I think putting the girls back together would give them back the full range. 4/4 happy, 4/4 angry, 4/4 curiosity, 4/4 whatever, like a regular person who can swap between them because no one emotion fully dominates.

Memoir is probably the key to figuring this all out though, can't really make plans or be certain of anything until we meet the rest of the group.

Getting them all in one room to talk is a terrible idea though
 
Parents: Is this... cosplay... or a... chunnin... phase?
Cosplaying improv street theater, duh! Nothing to see here, just a theater troop doing theatrical things. You can tell it's legit because we're organized enough to have T-shirts.
Well the way I see if you've only got the one soul's worth of resources to go around. So you got 1/4 happy, 1/4 curious, 1/4 hopeful, 1/4 whatever, and a full dose of 4/4 fear in one girl. So fear dominates all the time. She's capable of that other stuff, but it's difficult and muted in comparison, and she's completely incapable of anger or despair, being at 0/4. While lacking in despair is arguably a good thing, in this context its because a different girl is full of it all the time, not a net positive. And fear can't even understand what her 'sister' is going through, to the point where she'll completely lack in empathy for anything despair or anger related.
I will note that in general souls are not conserved. Normal humans reproduce of course, but more pertinently witches spawn familiars. So my guess was that each of the "shards" had a complete, independent soul to herself. This would be one of the ways you couldn't jam them back together.

Also, I realized part of the reason for my optimism on the shards' prognosis. Fear doesn't have to be fearful if someone afraid is in range. Outrage got less angry when Yui got angry, and that's how we got through to her. So the grip of their namesake emotions is apparently not absolute.

So one alternative solution (dunno if it would really work) might be to find a particularly fearful witch's grief seed and have Fear carry it around as a medical device (or like a witch cosplaying as a soul gem), so that she can experience a normal spectrum of emotions. In fact, Maiko has a whole collection of grief seeds to pick from for such a purpose, in addition to the theoretical background to better evaluate all of this.
Getting them all in one room to talk is a terrible idea though
Drawing from my surrealist wish for steadily escalating corporate aesthetic in Yui's group, we should set up a conference call. :V
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Along those lines... could we make them become real people with all the emotions maybe?

To be fair, assuming I haven't missed any WoG or misread the updates there are a complete this might have gone down.

1. The original girl or master of the unfamiliars or whatever created them using wish magic, which I doubt given the infighting
2. The girl split up

Now option 2 could also go a couple says
1. It was on purpose
2. It was an unintentional side effect

Number 1 could also mean that either og went through hell or it could mean she has some goal here (maybe)

Number 2 means everything is fine probably, though gets in the way of my first sentence.

I could also be completely wrong and rambling for no good reason but who knows really?
 
I will note that in general souls are not conserved. Normal humans reproduce of course, but more pertinently witches spawn familiars. So my guess was that each of the "shards" had a complete, independent soul to herself.
You know what? That's pretty reasonable.

I'm nowhere near believing that these girls are whole, yet I suppose it might be possible for them to grow into what's missing. Good point chum.


Drawing from my surrealist wish for steadily escalating corporate aesthetic in Yui's group, we should set up a conference call.
Nah, my point is that none of these folk are able to understand each other, so getting them to communicate directly is just gonna cause problems. We need an interpreter to translate into a language they can understand, and a conference call wouldn't provide enough distance, imo.

I could also be completely wrong and rambling for no good reason but who knows really?
Rambling is in and of itself a good enough reason. Keep it up.
 
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So, more concretely, we've got a code of conduct derived from clear principles, and we've got turf. I think we just need a name, and to tell people formally that they're group members. Maybe also with an initiation, like an oath with some lightweight ceremony or something. There's a spectrum of options.

Or, as an alternative group identity, we could form a company. Choose a company name. Hire people, give them titles (Director of such-and-such) and formal responsibilities more or less in accord with what they're already doing. Do a run of T-shirts.
We have an initiation rite already, actually; we inherited it with the house. It's having your picture taken and placed on the Wall Of Nagamioka's Magical Girls next to all the dead people. That pushes a really powerful sense of responsibility, belonging, and continuity onto group members.

I like the corporate aesthetic and all, but mostly because it is entangled with modern, bureaucratic, and organizational overtones, all of which I support. The "we are The Government, here to help, and everyone else is less legitimate" is a powerful elitist meme and I want it bad.
 
We've unlocked Minami, and I'd like to try that, Echo, is there anything plot-related that would be fun to pilot Minami through? It's probably too late to fight these upcoming Witches from her perspective.

Hm, not sure off the top of my head? I don't think Minami has any immediate plot-related commitments other than playing research assistant for Maiko, e.g. trying to think of some way to track down the identity of the mystery ex-soulguca. Feel free to suggest something for her to do if you have ideas.

That said, I really don't want to get bogged down with repeating the same time period from multiple perspectives, so possibly the bigger question is whether there's anything that Yui will be up to that you don't need her perspective on, narratively. I suppose you could always send her and Maiko to hunt Witches for a while or something?

I'd love to pilot Maiko through at least some of Kaoru's visit. How close are we getting? What if we promise not to witchbomb ourselves?

Honestly, I'd say there's a pretty good chance of Yui being witchbombed before Kaoru's visit anyway...

As for how close you are beyond that, well... getting Maiko to talk about her Issues would probably be a good place to start?

The real question is whether a magical girl can perform a hostile takeover of a normal person's body.
Yes, in theory. Also from the last few pages:

Doing so would be more difficult than with a meguca, because there's no distinct soul-body connection that can be broken. Evicting an emobidied soul directly would require specialized magic of some sort, which--given that the only local soulguca is apparently somewhat indisposed--basically means Maiko.

Maiko only really has three spells that work directly with souls, because that whole field of magic is fraught with dangerous side effects and serious ethical concerns.

The relevant spell is one she calls "Final Liberation", and it's an AoE spell that forcibly isolates all affected souls and cuts them free from the purely material world. Familiars and other sub-sentient magical constructs simply disintegrate, magical girls are forcibly disconnected, Witch barriers are crushed back down into a filled and active Grief Seed, and any living thing with a mind sophisticated enough to be targeted dies instantly and painlessly.

It's, uh, not something she has cause to use often. It's also only the second-most disturbing bit of soul magic she has available. :V

Or, as an alternative group identity, we could form a company. Choose a company name. Hire people, give them titles (Director of such-and-such) and formal responsibilities more or less in accord with what they're already doing. Do a run of T-shirts.

This seems like the more Yui-ish route to me. In fact, didn't she kind of already imply she wants to do something like this, organizationally?

And considering that at least 3/4 of these permanent emotional states are typically negative and associated strongly with suffering and unhappiness,

4/4, definitely. "Memoir" is a bit more abstract in what her deal is, but still ties directly to an undesired mental state.

I will note that in general souls are not conserved. Normal humans reproduce of course, but more pertinently witches spawn familiars. So my guess was that each of the "shards" had a complete, independent soul to herself. This would be one of the ways you couldn't jam them back together.
I'm nowhere near believing that these girls are whole, yet I suppose it might be possible for them to grow into what's missing. Good point chum.

Familiars are a bad example, because those are formed by Witches shaving off pieces of themselves and the missing bits do not grow back. Witches replacing what they lost and familiars growing into fully-developed souls both require them to consume and integrate pieces of other people's souls.

That said, since these girls are coherent fragments of a non-Witch soul, they very well may have the same potential for growth and personal development that a normal human child does, and thus be able to grow into more balanced, complete individuals over time.
 
We have an initiation rite already, actually; we inherited it with the house. It's having your picture taken and placed on the Wall Of Nagamioka's Magical Girls next to all the dead people. That pushes a really powerful sense of responsibility, belonging, and continuity onto group members.
I don't think we've even got our picture on the wall yet :V

That said, for later:

[] Bring up to Maiko the wall of portraits. Specifically the following:
-[] Getting your own picture up there, along with any confirmed members of your new group
-[] Reorganizing the wall, with the intent of both
--[] Paying tribute to the former team and the fallen, whilst simultaneously
--[] creating a clear delineation between the two teams, as indication not only of new leadership or membership but also of new direction
-[] make sure to include new or duplicate photos of the surviving girls from the old team to indicate them clearly being included in the new organization without removing them from the old

Yeah. Bit of a long vote for something that can be handled almost entirely off-screen.
 
Nah, my point is that none of these folk are able to understand each other, so getting them to communicate directly is just gonna cause problems. We need an interpreter to translate into a language they can understand, and a conference call wouldn't provide enough distance, imo.
No no, that was supposed to be a suggestion for a horrible, toxic conference call where no one can understand each other and a bunch of people with only a passing relation to anything on the agenda are brought in for reasons.
We have an initiation rite already, actually; we inherited it with the house. It's having your picture taken and placed on the Wall Of Nagamioka's Magical Girls next to all the dead people. That pushes a really powerful sense of responsibility, belonging, and continuity onto group members.
Ooh, I like it a lot. We should start doing that for our members. It's also a good symbolic reminder of the point of having the organization; even as part of an unusually powerful group, most of the girls on that wall are dead. The most fundamental duties of the group are mutual defense and cooperative hunting to keep everyone alive (as long as possible).
I like the corporate aesthetic and all, but mostly because it is entangled with modern, bureaucratic, and organizational overtones, all of which I support. The "we are The Government, here to help, and everyone else is less legitimate" is a powerful elitist meme and I want it bad.
OK, the thing I like about the corporate aesthetic in this context is the naked ambition it implies. Like, normally meguca are murder-hobos fighting for survival, and the corporate aesthetic says (to me) "we're cosplaying as civilians primarily concerned with making a profit, because we're actually not worried about living to see next year, and have the brain-space to want to be rich as well" Which is somewhat at cross-purposes to your version, but my want for it is only halfway rational.

The part I got stuck on is how to pitch any of this to them. I'll break it down a little The younger newbies will presumably be happy with a system that makes it clear they'll be treated well. The veterans... Himari is a bit of a wildcard, but Haruka has a good head on her shoulders. Out of Rio's crew, Rio seems pretty reasonable, Fuuka might be touchy but appreciates an organized approach, and Kiyomi will probably go along with anything fair that the other two are OK with. Chou is Chou, but she seems to be coming around, but she'll still be tricky for this purpose. Saiyuki seems pretty reasonable to talk to also. I've forgotten anything about this border group that might do a merger, except Chizuka and the Tattletale-expy.
This seems like the more Yui-ish route to me. In fact, didn't she kind of already imply she wants to do something like this, organizationally?
Yes, but this is more of a debate over how to pitch it than what we're pitching at the moment, I think.
Familiars are a bad example, because those are formed by Witches shaving off pieces of themselves and the missing bits do not grow back. Witches replacing what they lost and familiars growing into fully-developed souls both require them to consume and integrate pieces of other people's souls.
Sounds to me like the bits do grow back, but witches are animavores and can't (under normal circumstances) produce their own soul-stuff.
That said, for later:
Sounds like a good conversation to have. My first reaction is that seems like the right set of topics.
 
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I don't think we've even got our picture on the wall yet

The only change that might have been made to the wall is getting a proper memorial photo of Momoko herself up there. I can't recall whether that's happened or not, since neither Maiko nor Himari really wants to think about it.

Sounds to me like the bits do grow back, but witches are animavores and can't (under normal circumstances) produce their own soul-stuff.

Maybe, could be. Maiko really doesn't have any prior examples to compare to in this case.

Himari is a bit of a wildcard, but Haruka has a good head on her shoulders.

Himari wanted a life of excitement and adventure and she never really grew out of that. She'll probably be at least somewhat resistant to anything too mundane and formal.
 
Some additions:

To introduce the topic:

[] Hey Maiko! I was thinking of ways to make this team more organized and official feeling, y'know? So I considered like, an initiation ceremony. But then I realized we maybe already have one that we inherited along with the house? Although, um, if it's alright with you, I was thinking of a couple changes...



Also related to the topic but not the specific vote:

[] (Convince Maiko to) Hold a memorial for Momoko and the fallen.
-[][Optional] Swear in front of her portrait that you'll do better than her; not out of arrogance or to be insulting or anything though. You're doing this so that her soul, wherever it is, can rest in peace knowing that you'll take care of her city, her people, and her friends.
--[] Also swear to Maiko, Himari and Haruka that you will bring their murderer(s) to justice if you ever get the chance.
---[] Not during the ceremony, but shortly afterwards, explain Konno's actions and how you've decided to pardon her. Stress that the actual killers will not get off so lightly.



Obviously these are kinda spicy and deserve fine-tuning before whenever we decide to bring it up, but there you go.
 
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Himari wanted a life of excitement and adventure and she never really grew out of that. She'll probably be at least somewhat resistant to anything too mundane and formal.
Organize under the laws of a pirate ship's articles. Roleplay encouraged, romance and adventure aplenty though we're a bit lacking in high seas. Maybe commandeer a ship in the future.
 
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