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Puella Magi Adfligo Vermis (PMAS/Worm) [Dead]

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Vebyast said:
Remember that the ratings are not power levels; they're code-words for recommended countermeasures if you want to fight them. A Brute rating doesn't mean "hard to hurt/kill"; it means "Lethal weapons will be nonlethal. At higher levels they will resist parahuman powers." A 10 corresponds to: "You can't take them. Your team can't take them. Run away, call for backup, and don't come back until you have multiple teams, parahumans that specifically counter her, and a plan that you should expect to fall apart within seconds." There's not really much above that; 12 is basically shorthand for "Don't worry about the number, just run."

There's a reasonable point on the Trump rating being a straight rating rather than a Tinker subrating. I was looking at the part where Sabrina has to trance out to get more exotic effects, but the part where the results aren't vulnerable to standard Tinker countermeasures recommends strongly against a Tinker rating. So, yeah, Shaker 12 Trump 9 sounds reasonable.
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BungieONI said:
Which basically translates to a Gradient of Fucked, so to speak.

She's kinda like a walking bomb.
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I think Sabrina should also have decent Brute rating (6+, since Lung starts at 4 before ramping up and she kind squashed him) on top of that too. She's strong and tough enough to be devastating in melee and not be as vulnerable to some tactics that work on pure shakers, such as shooting them from outside their range/from ambush or keeping them pressured in close combat so they're off-balance and unable to properly apply their powers.
 
Vebyast said:
Remember that the ratings are not power levels; they're code-words for recommended countermeasures if you want to fight them. A Brute rating doesn't mean "hard to hurt/kill"; it means "Lethal weapons will be nonlethal. At higher levels they will resist parahuman powers." A 10 corresponds to: "You can't take them. Your team can't take them. Run away, call for backup, and don't come back until you have multiple teams, parahumans that specifically counter her, and a plan that you should expect to fall apart within seconds." There's not really much above that; 12 is basically shorthand for "Don't worry about the number, just run."

There's a reasonable point on the Trump rating being a straight rating rather than a Tinker subrating. I was looking at the part where Sabrina has to trance out to get more exotic effects, but the part where the results aren't vulnerable to standard Tinker countermeasures recommends strongly against a Tinker rating. So, yeah, Shaker 12 Trump 9 sounds reasonable.
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I'd say a seperate Brute rating is needed. Her strength and such probably don't need to be reflected, since her Trump abilities make any kind of active effect possible already and she's nigh-ominpotent in melee range thanks to her Shaker abilities, but a Brute Rating for her regeneration and ability to survive any and all lethal wounds mean that sniping her or poisoning her are off the table, even if she doesn't have the time or knowledge needed to use her Trump abilities. Seems something that the PRT would want to make sure people know.

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NSMS said:
I think Sabrina should also have decent Brute rating (6+, since Lung starts at 4 before ramping up and she kind squashed him) on top of that too. She's strong and tough enough to be devastating in melee and not be as vulnerable to some tactics that work on pure shakers, such as shooting them from outside their range/from ambush or keeping them pressured in close combat so they're off-balance and unable to properly apply their powers.
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That's actually a good point, since Brutes are "How do you take this down" in a lot of ways.

I posit Shaker 12/Trump 9 plus Brute 7.

Brute 7 because you can mission kill her with a high speed high yield missile. She'd still be alive but given that she hasn't learnt how to operate as a gem yet that would essentially neutralize her.
 
BungieONI said:
That's actually a good point, since Brutes are "How do you take this down" in a lot of ways.

I posit Shaker 12/Trump 9 plus Brute 7.

Brute 7 because you can mission kill her with a high speed high yield missile. She'd still be alive but given that she hasn't learnt how to operate as a gem yet that would essentially neutralize her.
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Well, assuming it hits. I can see her keeping something around for that...spacial reflection construct, or just a projectile annihilator.
 
Vebyast said:
There's a reasonable point on the Trump rating being a straight rating rather than a Tinker subrating. I was looking at the part where Sabrina has to trance out to get more exotic effects, but the part where the results aren't vulnerable to standard Tinker countermeasures recommends strongly against a Tinker rating. So, yeah, Shaker 12 Trump 9 sounds reasonable.
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Sabrina's immunity to a whole bunch of Stranger/Master/Thinker powers, even when used outside her range, should also point towards a Trump Rating. Further, if she can disable powers within her range by cutting the dimensional connection, then Trump specific countermeasures become even more important.

As for subratings, the most important ones are Mover (at least 5, up to 9), Blaster (12, if she can really emulate energy levels up to the Big Bang, but probably listed as lower since she won't use that level of power outside of the range she can control it), and Thinker (5 or so to cover omniscience within her bubble, plus her surveillance abilites from intercepting radio signals etc.)

Brute... yeah, she has a Brute rating from the base puella package, which grief armour and her regeneration exacerbates. 7 seems right, perhaps a bit high. At least 5, though.

She probably has a minor Tinker rating too, to cover enchantment. She'll accrue bling over time that she can hand out to others but will need to maintain, and she can fuck with tech through enchantment if necessary.

So I'd peg it as:

Shaker 12 (Blaster 9, Mover 9, Thinker 5), Trump 9, Brute 7, Tinker 4
 
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Also, another thing to bear in mind with ratings is that they're not meant to be definitive, 'this person is X powerful in Y way' ratings, but give people a general idea of the threat level and nature of the threat someone presents. If someone displays a power that's growing in strength or that they keep revealing new tricks for (a description which Sabrina kinda fits perfectly), they'll probably get bumped up a few ranks just as a precaution (I think there's even WoG to that effect somewhere, actually).
Higure said:
Well, assuming it hits. I can see her keeping something around for that...spacial reflection construct, or just a projectile annihilator.
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That stuff would fall under her Shaker/Trump rating, though.
StellarMonarch said:
Mover is relevant as well - range is less of an issue when you can break the sound barrier.
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That's mostly a function of her Trump power, though. If I remember correctly Eidolon only has a Trump rating, and he's got plenty of movement based powers open to him.
 
I feel like the Trump 9 captures nearly all of this; once that rating comes up, further ratings are pretty much immaterial - you basically just assume that whatever you're doing won't work and you need more information.

The other thing is that these ratings are intended to be relatively straightforward. A rating is supposed to be a pithy summary of the general response to a particular parahuman. Having a giant pile of secondary ratings is something for the full info file, which wouldn't use ratings in the first place or would use ratings that don't suffer from confusions like the whole Controller Master vs. Mook-maker Master SNAFU. I can see an argument for tacking on a high Brute rating, but beyond that the high Trump rating captures it - "Assume she can pull out nearly any parahuman power and that every power she pulls out is good enough that she could solo your entire team with it."
 
Vebyast said:
I feel like the Trump 9 captures nearly all of this; once that rating comes up, further ratings are pretty much immaterial - you basically just assume that whatever you're doing won't work and you need more information.

The other thing is that these ratings are intended to be relatively straightforward. A rating is supposed to be a pithy summary of the general response to a particular parahuman. Having a giant pile of secondary ratings is something for the full info file, which wouldn't use ratings in the first place or would use ratings that don't suffer from confusions like the whole Controller Master vs. Mook-maker Master SNAFU. I can see an argument for tacking on a high Brute rating, but beyond that the high Trump rating captures it - "Assume she can pull out nearly any parahuman power and that every power she pulls out is good enough that she could solo your entire team with it."
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Point.

So it collapses down to: Shaker 12, Trump 9, Brute 7
 
Redshirt Army said:
Point.

So it collapses down to: Shaker 12, Trump 9, Brute 7
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"You're Fucked. In a nice Girl shaped can."

I pity anyone who has to read that.


Now these are all the ratings for her full power set, which she is sorta unlikely to fully divulge(maybe). So what do you think the first ratings are gonna be?

I'm thinking, depending on what she tells them, Shaker 7, Brute 4, and maybe a Trump rating.
 
NSMS said:
She should also have a separate brute rating, as she's strong/tough enough to shatter pavements and roofs with no real effort and it's unconnected to her griefbending.
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Yeah, if PMMM's magical girls were more common on Earth Bet than just Sabrina, I'd picture there being there being a standard package rating for them.

Onmur said:
10 was he number given to the parahuman or Endbringer observed to be the strongest in its rating.

Then when even stronger ones were found, they were given ranking above ten.
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Point. I don't recall that off the top of my head, but I can very easily believe it. Worm's power ratings feels very much like something people came up with back when nobody had any idea what they were doing and just grew organically from there, with lots of misinterpretation and hearsay along the way, especially outside of the larger and better organized groups.

Vebyast said:
There's a reasonable point on the Trump rating being a straight rating rather than a Tinker subrating. I was looking at the part where Sabrina has to trance out to get more exotic effects, but the part where the results aren't vulnerable to standard Tinker countermeasures recommends strongly against a Tinker rating. So, yeah, Shaker 12 Trump 9 sounds reasonable.
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Point to the ratings as counter note(see also above), but I'm still going to argue for the "Shaker/Trump #" rating rather than "Shaker #, Trump #"

Sabrina's witchier and more esoteric effects not only need to start within her core range but, as we saw with the phaser and enchantment enhancer, are also often limited to that range. Luce Prima being the first big exception to that (though not the only one).

Vice versa, a lot of that Shaker potential comes from the versatility offered by Sabrina being able to make whatever she wants within the limits of her available grief and zone of control. Especially for the purely mechanical side of things stuff. So both sides of that are heavily interdependent. Thus, Shaker/Trump.
 
BungieONI said:
Brute 7 because you can mission kill her with a high speed high yield missile. She'd still be alive but given that she hasn't learnt how to operate as a gem yet that would essentially neutralize her.
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Depends. Does she have the same sort of full time solid grief for armor that covers her soul gem as her standard costume? Armor like that which should take her only a few days of grief build up will push that brute rating even higher.
 
Kioras said:
Depends. Does she have the same sort of full time solid grief for armor that covers her soul gem as her standard costume? Armor like that which should take her only a few days of grief build up will push that brute rating even higher.
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Yeah she's one of those scary cape-likes that gets stronger over time like Dauntless or Lung, but the issue is that she is already horrifically powerful.
 
And she'll not de-escalate either. She has nowhere to dump her grief... I'm not up to date on the quest by a long shot, so I could be wrong I guess?
 
I am wondering what she's going to tell Armsy when he gets here. Is she going to go for a power play, "Villains beware"? Is she going to conceal her true power levels until she can accumulate enough Grief to get up to full Endbringer power and then make a spectacular debut? Is she just going to not say anything and let Armsmaster figure it out himself?
 
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ShadowAngelBeta said:
And she'll not de-escalate either. She has nowhere to dump her grief... I'm not up to date on the quest by a long shot, so I could be wrong I guess?
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If I recall correctly when she lets it go it just dissipates, though I am not far enough through PMAS to know if that has bad side effects down the road.
 
With there not being any other meguca around, Sabrina can give herself a super thin inner Grief coating that'll let her tank almost anything. Grief fog protects her head, hands, etc.

It's not that much Grief, so she shouldn't have trouble gathering it soon.

Soon.

 
So, how Sabrina will interact with Imp?

Imp's shard: "You don't remember my host, so you can't perceive her." *erase information from Sabrina's brain*
Sabrina's Soul Gem: "But I do remember her!" *restore information in Sabrina's brain*
Imp's shard: "No, you don't!" *erase information from Sabrina's brain*
Sabrina's Soul Gem: "Yes, I do!" *restore information in Sabrina's brain*
Imp's shard: "No, you don't!" *erase information from Sabrina's brain*
Sabrina's Soul Gem: "Yes, I do!" *restore information in Sabrina's brain*
Sabrina: "Oh, hi Aisha! Can you wait for a bit? My head hurts just looking at you."
Imp: "...what."
*Sabrina made a Grief tinfoil hat and put it on her head.*
Sabrina: "Ah. Much better."
Imp: :confused:
 
Shaseyu said:
So, how Sabrina will interact with Imp?

Imp's shard: "You don't remember my host, so you can't perceive her." *erase information from Sabrina's brain*
Sabrina's Soul Gem: "But I do remember her!" *restore information in Sabrina's brain*
Imp's shard: "No, you don't!" *erase information from Sabrina's brain*
Sabrina's Soul Gem: "Yes, I do!" *restore information in Sabrina's brain*
Imp's shard: "No, you don't!" *erase information from Sabrina's brain*
Sabrina's Soul Gem: "Yes, I do!" *restore information in Sabrina's brain*
Sabrina: "Oh, hi Aisha! Can you wait for a bit? My head hurts just looking at you."
Imp: "...what."
*Sabrina made a Grief tinfoil hat and put it on her head.*
Sabrina: "Ah. Much better."
Imp: :confused:
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Clearly Brina needs to provide everyone with tinfoil hats.
 
Shaseyu said:
Sabrina's tinfoil hats guarantee absolute protection against all Master/Stranger effects, but, sadly, they can exist only near Sabrina.
...Use Doormaker's portal to expand her range?
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I was going to have everyone follow Sabrina around in some sort of giant cuddlepile... But I guess that works too.
 
Adistridos said:
I don't quite understand what you mean by "There's [...] a lot of people who ignore that WOG". It's commonly accepted canon in Worm fandom that the Endbringers each basically contain an entire spiral galaxy worth of matter.
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Because that much mass near the earth should tear it apart and crush it against the denser layers along with as much of the solar system that would fit inside the event horizon formed from the gravity of that mass.

That the earth, the solar system, and spacetime itself would ignore that amount of mass in their vicinity, would mean that effectively that mass doesn't exist.
 
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