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Puella Magi Adfligo Vermis (PMAS/Worm) [Dead]

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Interuniversal travel means wormholes, means distance is irrelevant. Both settings already have interuniversal travel and teleportation. If Sabrina can do this, she can be mini-Doormaker.
 
Sereg said:
The point is that many people (including you) keep insisting that Sabrina does not have the power to affect multiple planets, yet you don't raise an eyebrow when she starts pulling off multiversal effects.
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The current power application is barring multiversal travel to one small point, not travelling between dimensions, nor teleporting, and the only other way to get to another planet would be to build a grief ship strap in and fly there. And less than arguing we couldn't affect other planets (depending on Sabrina's unrestrained fly speed) I argued that we shouldn't yet, as we didn't even have a clean wrap on Japan, and had no idea what the incubators were truly capable of, nor even information on their real location. Not to mention that our friends in that quest were more important than flying off to fight the incubators at their source while everyone we cared for died.

also also, this is a fic, and so that we disagreed with you in a quest that we're not currently playing is kind of a non-issue. If your problem is that you think Sabrina shouldn't be capable of that effect, well, Godwin is the writer. So that kinda means what she's capable of is up to him and Firn.
 
Gadjo said:
The current power application is barring multiversal travel to one small point, not travelling between dimensions, nor teleporting, and the only other way to get to another planet would be to build a grief ship strap in and fly there. And less than arguing we couldn't affect other planets (depending on Sabrina's unrestrained fly speed) I argued that we shouldn't yet, as we didn't even have a clean wrap on Japan, and had no idea what the incubators were truly capable of, nor even information on their real location. Not to mention that our friends in that quest were more important than flying off to fight the incubators at their source while everyone we cared for died.

also also, this is a fic, and so that we disagreed with you in a quest that we're not currently playing is kind of a non-issue. If your problem is that you think Sabrina shouldn't be capable of that effect, well, Godwin is the writer. So that kinda means what she's capable of is up to him and Firn.
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No, I agree she is. I'm surprised that she (and you) are not surprised that she is. The rest is just personal disagreement, so never mind.
 
Sereg said:
No, I agree she is. I'm surprised that she (and you) are not surprised that she is. The rest is just personal disagreement, so never mind.
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shrug, it's an application of witch-grief, and one we had no reason to try before at that, so it wasn't terribly surprising when it worked to me. Though I originally got the impression that it might work but that Sabrina couldn't be sure it was iron-clad.
 
Yep. Sabrina hasn't tested it yet so she can't be 100% sure that the griefhax dimensional barrier is working as intended. She's hoping it is. See below:
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It's the work of a moment to cocoon the pendant in a thin layer of grief, and another moment and twist of will to protect it from the powers of this world. I hope.
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I'm also probably around 99% certain that it will work since the griefhax went through properly without headaches and our griefhax has a history of working as intended within our area of control.
 
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But interplanetary wormholes are also an application of which grief we've never bothered to try before, yet you were insistent that that was impossible.

I'm hung up about this, because it honestly hurts, because it makes me feel like when I claimed that we should be able to do such things, that I was rejected not because people believed I was wrong, but because I was the one saying it, and if Godwinson had said so, people would have agreed. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what it looks like to me.
 
Sabrina's shielding effect does not imply she's capable of what you're claiming she is. You're doing the same aggravating No Limits Fallacy bullshit that I warned you about on this topic already.

Seriously, please stop derailing every PMAS-related thread there is with the same sort of obtuse argumentation that saw you banned from PMAS.
 
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Sereg said:
But interplanetary wormholes are also an application of which grief we've never bothered to try before, yet you were insistent that that was impossible.

I'm hung up about this, because it honestly hurts, because it makes me feel like when I claimed that we should be able to do such things, that I was rejected not because people believed I was wrong, but because I was the one saying it, and if Godwinson had said so, people would have agreed. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what it looks like to me.
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Most people would think of a localized protective effect as very different from an inter-planetary portal. Sabrina's limitation has always been range, which lends itself much better to defensive effects then projected ones. Similarly, I would expect Sabrina to be able to make a teleporter indiction field without being able to open portals to other places.
 
Sereg said:
But interplanetary wormholes are also an application of which grief we've never bothered to try before, yet you were insistent that that was impossible.

I'm hung up about this, because it honestly hurts, because it makes me feel like when I claimed that we should be able to do such things, that I was rejected not because people believed I was wrong, but because I was the one saying it, and if Godwinson had said so, people would have agreed. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what it looks like to me.
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It really isn't favoritism, since to me this application of power doesn't seem to imply the amount of extra power that it does to you. And well, back to the basic argument of what we find to be important, I would have found the question of "can we make a wormhole to another planet" a moot point, as I'd have no reason to want to go there. I suppose the better question is "can we teleport" but we never did figure out how to do that and tests weren't promising.

The more basic argument was what to use the powers for than what they were capable of.
 
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I fucked up
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    • So, with recent revelations on the nature of Sabrina's powers over in PMAS, it would appear that I grossly underestimated just how brokenly overpowered Sabrina is in the Worm setting. What's worse is that the time that Sabrina is taken from right at the start of the fic is such that she would be aware of this, and it would have drastically impacted her actions in the first update. Furthermore, the difference between what I assumed the limitations on her powers were, and the actual practical limitations on her power are so wide that the fundamental story I was looking to tell here simply makes no sense. Unfortunately, the whole point of this story was that the Sabrina here is the same Sabrina as from PMAS, simply from after PMAS has ended, and changing that aspect of it would completely destroy my investment in the story.

    Due to this complete fuck-up from all angles on my part, this story will not be updated any more.
     
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    • Godwinson said:
    So, with recent revelations on the nature of Sabrina's powers over in PMAS, it would appear that I grossly underestimated just how brokenly overpowered Sabrina is in the Worm setting. What's worse is that the time that Sabrina is taken from right at the start of the fic is such that she would be aware of this, and it would have drastically impacted her actions in the first update. Furthermore, the difference between what I assumed the limitations on her powers were, and the actual practical limitations on her power are so wide that the fundamental story I was looking to tell here simply makes no sense. Unfortunately, the whole point of this story was that the Sabrina here is the same Sabrina as from PMAS, simply from after PMAS has ended, and changing that aspect of it would completely destroy my investment in the story.

    Due to this complete fuck-up from all angles on my part, this story will not be updated any more.
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    That's a shame. If it makes you feel better i really like what you did have here.
     
    Godwinson said:
    So, with recent revelations on the nature of Sabrina's powers over in PMAS, it would appear that I grossly underestimated just how brokenly overpowered Sabrina is in the Worm setting. What's worse is that the time that Sabrina is taken from right at the start of the fic is such that she would be aware of this, and it would have drastically impacted her actions in the first update. Furthermore, the difference between what I assumed the limitations on her powers were, and the actual practical limitations on her power are so wide that the fundamental story I was looking to tell here simply makes no sense. Unfortunately, the whole point of this story was that the Sabrina here is the same Sabrina as from PMAS, simply from after PMAS has ended, and changing that aspect of it would completely destroy my investment in the story.

    Due to this complete fuck-up from all angles on my part, this story will not be updated any more.
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    I don't understand what you think you got wrong, though. Short of conferring with Firn about what Sabrina would probably be capable of in a few years, it's inevitable that you'd miss things. But other than enchantment, I don't see how you messed anything up irreparably.
     
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    ...I don't really see why you can't continue this under your original assumptions. I'm sure the people reading this will give you a pass for starting this fic with older information.
     
    Godwinson said:
    Due to this complete fuck-up from all angles on my part, this story will not be updated any more.
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    If there's a fuck-up here, I don't think it's on anyone's part, per se.

    Canon moves on and leaves fanfiction in the dust all of the time; you don't need to feel bad about not anticipating developments in canon. That's just a part of writing derivative material and transformative works.
     
    Muramasa said:
    ...I don't really see why you can't continue this under your original assumptions. I'm sure the people reading this will give you a pass for starting this fic with older information.
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    The people reading this aren't a concern for me on that front. I have no interest in continuing the fic like that, because it's no longer "Sabrina goes to another setting to fix things after PMAS ends". It's entirely a question of my own ability to be at all invested in what I was writing.
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    I don't suppose you'd be interested in restarting the story now that you have a better idea of what she's capable of?
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    If someone else wants to write a one-post short-story of Sabrina showing up in the setting and roflstomping everything within a couple hours, they're free to do so. I have negative interest in writing it, or reading it.
    Subrosian_Smithy said:
    If there's a fuck-up here, I don't think it's on anyone's part, per se.

    Canon moves on and leaves fanfiction in the dust all of the time; you don't need to feel bad about not anticipating developments in canon. That's just a part of writing derivative material and transformative works.
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    In Perditur Systema I specifically gave myself a way to future-proof the story. I did not do so here. Ergo, I fucked up with the premise of the story.
     
    ...Oh.

    Damn.

    Alright, then, if that's your decision.
    I don't see much of a point in pressuring you - if the spark is gone, the spark is gone. As they say; Writers must be serial killers and murder their ideas with the least possible remorse if they want to be writers.
    I guess the last thing I have to say is that I really enjoyed this, short-lived as it was. I look forward to whatever you do next.
    Toodles, dude.
     
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    If this is what you gotta do, then it's what you gotta do. I'll just say- you do good work. This story's what got me to stop being a lurker and actually make an SV account, and actually what got me to stop putting off reading PMAS on account of its length, so that I could know the full context of what was happening here, having come at it from the Worm side. I know you'll bring that life to whatever you're inspired to write next, and whatever it is, I look forward to seeing it.
     
    Godwinson said:
    The people reading this aren't a concern for me on that front. I have no interest in continuing the fic like that, because it's no longer "Sabrina goes to another setting to fix things after PMAS ends". It's entirely a question of my own ability to be at all invested in what I was writing.
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    Perhaps if you took Sabrina from before PMAS ends--like right after Walpurgisnacht? That way, she's not broken OP?

    If someone else wants to write a one-post short-story of Sabrina showing up in the setting and roflstomping everything within a couple hours, they're free to do so. I have negative interest in writing it, or reading it.
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    ...er, I find myself kind of baffled. Are we even talking about Sabinra, here? Last I checked, Sabrina wasn't a god. Or anywhere even remotely near that.
     
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