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Prey (2017)

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MJ12 Commando said:
The Typhon can teleport through solid objects-or rather, trapdoor through them. First contact with the Mimics was when they were found in the inside of a satellite when it would be physically impossible for them to get through that without teleportation.

The Typhon can win against Earth forces forever by virtue of teleporting themselves inside your cramped armored vehicles. Tank? You mean a coffin and sixteen Mimics? Fighter jet? You mean four Mimics, ready to be delivered into your friendly forces as soon as it crashes? Nuke? You mean the thing you can't launch because it's been taken over by Technopaths, inside a Mimic-infested silo?
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Yet they never do this during combat, when i hide in a locked room they dont teleport in to get me

Jace911 said:
You have no evidence the ending is a simulation other than a damned screen flicker.

The "strongest Typhon" on Talos I is the Apex. Prove to me you can kill it with a pistol.

You're operating off the assumption that what we see on Talos I is the entirety of the Typhon ecology. This assumption is entirely without merit, as demonstrated by the Apex.



This only makes a fraction of sense if we accept the double simulation theory as fact, when in reality it is little more than fan fiction at this point.

This is why I strongly dislike the double simulation theory. It destroys any ability to have an interesting conversation about the implications of the game underneath an endless chorus of "BUT WE DON'T KNOOWWWW"
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Well the apex gets taken out by a 3 megaton nuke [or was it 30? im sure it was single digit megaton] which was the station going up, so yes even assuming that is the minimum needed to kill an apex there are plenty such weapons on the earth. By strongest i was refering to nightmares, technopaths ect ones who you can kill with the pistol, against something like a minigun? they stand no chance


and yes it is a screen flicker, something that is pretty similair to a blink and you'll miss it moment at the beginning of the game. I think said flicker was deliberate on the part of the devs as to throw doubt into peoples minds. Explaining it away as a graphic error is to easy

Carrnage said:
Also the Typhon are smart, they laid low on the station until they had infiltrated every section of the station then hit simultaneously, the first earth will know of a mimic infestation is when several cities abruptly descend into chaos.
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thats not the typhon being smart, thats transtar being stupid for not having enough sensors
 
shanewallis said:
Well the apex gets taken out by a 3 megaton nuke [or was it 30? im sure it was single digit megaton] which was the station going up, so yes even assuming that is the minimum needed to kill an apex there are plenty such weapons on the earth. By strongest i was refering to nightmares, technopaths ect ones who you can kill with the pistol, against something like a minigun? they stand no chance

and yes it is a screen flicker, something that is pretty similar to a blink and you'll miss it moment at the beginning of the game. I think said flicker was deliberate on the part of the devs as to throw doubt into peoples minds. Explaining it away as a graphic error is too easy
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Good, now prove the Apex is the largest weapon in the Typhon's arsenal. I'll wait.

In other words, you're willfully ignoring Occam's Razor because otherwise your argument has no merit.
 
Jace911 said:
Good, now prove the Apex is the largest weapon in the Typhon's arsenal. I'll wait.

In other words, you're willfully ignoring Occam's Razor because otherwise your argument has no merit.
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Im not the one who has to prove they have something bigger? we have no reason to think they have anything bigger, or they have more then one. A nuke to kill the apex then regular infantry with Psycoscopes to mop up
 
For my own sake, I'm assuming the double simulation theory is real. However the only part of the second simulation layer that's fake is Alex being in the room with you. He's not stupid enough to put himself into killing range of a dangerous typhon hybrid before he's sure that it's safe. Everything else shown in that scene was entirely real given in the screen flash the room is exactly the same except for the missing Alex.
 
shanewallis said:
Yet they never do this during combat, when i hide in a locked room they dont teleport in to get me
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You do realize that Talos I, and Kletka, were specifically designed to contain the Typhon and had tons of technology based off of studying the Typhon, right? Shockingly, a station designed with significant anti-Typhon containment measures might have features required to contain the Typhon.

It also ignores that as much as I joke about Morgan being A Normal Lady at the start she pretty clearly isn't. She's quite fit, very brave (given that she doesn't freak out at anything without literal psionic inducement), and probably fairly skilled with guns as well, given that her mother was a champion sport shooter. So a skilled marksman can eventually take down basic Typhon by shooting them multiple times with a high-powered shotgun. This doesn't say much about fighting Typhon for normal people.

This is entirely ignoring that the basic Phantom is no slouch-it has a very powerful area of effect kinetic burst attack, can dodge-teleport, and the Eradicators need to empty like, 20 bullets into them. Your average Marine trying to fight a squad of Phantoms in an actual firefight is probably not going to do fairly well. They nail you once, and you're probably suffering from permanent damage, you nail them a dozen times and they don't give a fuck.

And when you kill a Nightmare 'with a shotgun' it's quite late in the game where you are no longer anything that can be considered 'normal human,' probably attacking from surprise while having the firearms skill of God's Gift To Gun Shooting with a super high-level weapon that has been modified by God's Gift To Firearms Design. You aren't a random dude in the Army with a M-16 and a kevlar helmet or even some sort of tier 1 special forces, you are beyond that. Given that even Leverage I lets you run with a 100kg sack of shit with minimal effort, it's pretty reasonable to conclude that Firearms II Morgan is going to make like, the best gunfighters in the entire world look like amateurs.

Something to remember moreover is that Transtar security are not actually chumps. You can hear about the interview with Sarah Elizar, and she's like, some kind of super-badass decorated war hero who almost certainly has had additional Neuromods to fight even better. Transtar security are not chumps, they knew perfectly well what they were fighting, and they were probably a cut above "The Army" or whatever you're thinking is going to fight Mimics. And you find them huddling in the cargo bay afraid to venture out.
 
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shanewallis said:
Im not the one who has to prove they have something bigger? we have no reason to think they have anything bigger, or they have more then one. A nuke to kill the apex then regular infantry with Psycoscopes to mop up
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You're the one claiming that the Typhon didn't actually conquer the Earth and turn humanity into a giant cellphone despite the game literally saying this to our faces, bucko. The entire theme of the game revolves around humans being guppies in, quote, "a pool full of sharks". It is literally in the goddamn name.

Do us all a favor and get your head out of Versus, then maybe we can have a productive discussion. This isn't the Humanity Fuck Yeah page of TVtropes.
 
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MJ12 Commando said:
You do realize that Talos I, and Kletka, were specifically designed to contain the Typhon and had tons of technology based off of studying the Typhon, right? Shockingly, a station designed with significant anti-Typhon containment measures might have features required to contain the Typhon.

It also ignores that as much as I joke about Morgan being A Normal Lady at the start she pretty clearly isn't. She's quite fit, very brave (given that she doesn't freak out at anything without literal psionic inducement), and probably fairly skilled with guns as well, given that her mother was a champion sport shooter. So a skilled marksman can eventually take down basic Typhon by shooting them multiple times with a high-powered shotgun. This doesn't say much about fighting Typhon for normal people.

This is entirely ignoring that the basic Phantom is no slouch-it has a very powerful area of effect kinetic burst attack, can dodge-teleport, and the Eradicators need to empty like, 20 bullets into them. Your average Marine trying to fight a squad of Phantoms in an actual firefight is probably not going to do fairly well. They nail you once, and you're probably suffering from permanent damage, you nail them a dozen times and they don't give a fuck.

And when you kill a Nightmare 'with a shotgun' it's quite late in the game where you are no longer anything that can be considered 'normal human,' probably attacking from surprise while having the firearms skill of God's Gift To Gun Shooting with a super high-level weapon that has been modified by God's Gift To Firearms Design. You aren't a random dude in the Army with a M-16 and a kevlar helmet or even some sort of tier 1 special forces, you are beyond that. Given that even Leverage I lets you run with a 100kg sack of shit with minimal effort, it's pretty reasonable to conclude that Firearms II Morgan is going to make like, the best gunfighters in the entire world look like amateurs.

Something to remember moreover is that Transtar security are not actually chumps. You can hear about the interview with Sarah Elizar, and she's like, some kind of super-badass decorated war hero who almost certainly has had additional Neuromods to fight even better. Transtar security are not chumps, they knew perfectly well what they were fighting, and they were probably a cut above "The Army" or whatever you're thinking is going to fight Mimics. And you find them huddling in the cargo bay afraid to venture out.
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They literally refuse to open a door for you until you cover that door with half a dozen turrets. :V
 
Jace911 said:
They literally refuse to open a door for you until you cover that door with half a dozen turrets. :V
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This stays the same even if you murder every single living fuckin' Typhon in the cargo bay entrance (and there's a lot of them) instead of avoiding them and taking the sneaky route, BTW.

Austin is really impressed at it but they still require you to stick a bunch of turrets there to cover that door.
 
Jace911 said:
They literally refuse to open a door for you until you cover that door with half a dozen turrets. :V
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Also, Elizar's crew, despite being armed only with handguns, literally trade 1-1 with Blackbox Military Operators-armored AI assault drones with high-power energy weapons presumably superior to human special forces given Dahl's shtick. They are literally humongous badasses.
 
MJ12 Commando said:
You do realize that Talos I, and Kletka, were specifically designed to contain the Typhon and had tons of technology based off of studying the Typhon, right? Shockingly, a station designed with significant anti-Typhon containment measures might have features required to contain the Typhon.

It also ignores that as much as I joke about Morgan being A Normal Lady at the start she pretty clearly isn't. She's quite fit, very brave (given that she doesn't freak out at anything without literal psionic inducement), and probably fairly skilled with guns as well, given that her mother was a champion sport shooter. So a skilled marksman can eventually take down basic Typhon by shooting them multiple times with a high-powered shotgun. This doesn't say much about fighting Typhon for normal people.

This is entirely ignoring that the basic Phantom is no slouch-it has a very powerful area of effect kinetic burst attack, can dodge-teleport, and the Eradicators need to empty like, 20 bullets into them. Your average Marine trying to fight a squad of Phantoms in an actual firefight is probably not going to do fairly well. They nail you once, and you're probably suffering from permanent damage, you nail them a dozen times and they don't give a fuck.

And when you kill a Nightmare 'with a shotgun' it's quite late in the game where you are no longer anything that can be considered 'normal human,' probably attacking from surprise while having the firearms skill of God's Gift To Gun Shooting with a super high-level weapon that has been modified by God's Gift To Firearms Design. You aren't a random dude in the Army with a M-16 and a kevlar helmet or even some sort of tier 1 special forces, you are beyond that. Given that even Leverage I lets you run with a 100kg sack of shit with minimal effort, it's pretty reasonable to conclude that Firearms II Morgan is going to make like, the best gunfighters in the entire world look like amateurs.

Something to remember moreover is that Transtar security are not actually chumps. You can hear about the interview with Sarah Elizar, and she's like, some kind of super-badass decorated war hero who almost certainly has had additional Neuromods to fight even better. Transtar security are not chumps, they knew perfectly well what they were fighting, and they were probably a cut above "The Army" or whatever you're thinking is going to fight Mimics. And you find them huddling in the cargo bay afraid to venture out.
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From the look of things the only actual containment measures were in psycotronics, none of the other areas seemed hardened

It takes 3-4 Shotgun shells to kill a phantom, 1 to kill a mimic. It has also been suggested by players that the weapons in game are purposely weaker then they should be to avoid over penetration of the station, a problem planetside soldiers shouldnt have to worry about

it is also possible to win the game without using any nueromods, isnt there even a comment by one of the characters about that? you dont need to be superhuman to win it just helps



it takes 6 of these a few seconds to down a nightmare, i dont know what caliber their guns are but they're hastilly manufactured defense guns. Its not hard to believe actual military forces wouldnt have weapons which are stronger, larger and more durable. Or that military bases would have stacks of them [fortified + hacked for better performance] which could be quickly deployed in case of an attack

the 'golden pistol' is perhaps an indication of what proper, none fast fabricated handguns are like [fairly powerful, very accurate] and the pre order bonus shotgun [the magrave] is described as one used for sports/competitions by Morgans mother suggesting it isnt even military grade either

the military is also likely capable of mass producing combat operators as Dahl did, ones which seemed immune to technopath corruption [atleast i never saw any that had been taken over] which sort of gives us an idea of what actual military forces are like

Jace911 said:
You're the one claiming that the Typhon didn't actually conquer the Earth and turn humanity into a giant cellphone despite the game literally saying this to our faces, bucko. The entire theme of the game revolves around humans being guppies in, quote, "a pool full of sharks".

Do us all a favor and get your head out of Versus, then maybe we can have a productive discussion. This isn't the Humanity Fuck Yeah page of TVtropes.
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Yeah im saying it because the glitch shows that said ending isnt even real and the 'flashbacks' we see are inside of the simulation

we cant take anything the game tells us at face value
 
shanewallis said:
Yeah im saying it because the glitch shows that said ending isnt even real and the 'flashbacks' we see are inside of the simulation

we cant take anything the game tells us at face value
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Prove this. Show me evidence the glitch was intentional, then show me evidence that glitch means everything was fake, then show me evidence that means the Typhon could be defeated by Earth, in their entirety, despite all evidence to the contrary.

I'll wait.
 
shanewallis said:
it is also possible to win the game without using any nueromods, isnt there even a comment by one of the characters about that? you dont need to be superhuman to win it just helps
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Yes. Do you know how you win the game without neuromods? You avoid fights. You basically crawl through the station like a giant slow coward because any fight means using a bunch of medkits since your weapons are shit, your defenses are shit, and you move so slow. When you have to fight, you stockpile a bunch of recycler charges so you can vaporize the thing you're fighting, you sure as fuck aren't going to try to plink it down with your crappy guns.

So yes, you can win the game without using neuromods if you are willing to avoid almost all combat. Shockingly this is not an endorsement of your argument.
 
MJ12 Commando said:
Yes. Do you know how you win the game without neuromods? You avoid fights. You basically crawl through the station like a giant slow coward because any fight means using a bunch of medkits since your weapons are shit, your defenses are shit, and you move so slow. When you have to fight, you stockpile a bunch of recycler charges so you can vaporize the thing you're fighting, you sure as fuck aren't going to try to plink it down with your crappy guns.

So yes, you can win the game without using neuromods if you are willing to avoid almost all combat. Shockingly this is not an endorsement of your argument.
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I've been doing a second run through without using nueromods and while more difficult i never pussy out of fights. Instead fighting intelligently with turrets and upgraded guns [luring typhon into killzones provided by turrets is always fun]

Jace911 said:
Prove this. Show me evidence the glitch was intentional, then show me evidence that glitch means everything was fake, then show me evidence that means the Typhon could be defeated by Earth, in their entirety, despite all evidence to the contrary.

I'll wait.
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Why would it not be intentional? you say i ignore things to fit my own narrative but the glitch is very reminiscent of the glitch in the beginning when you're in the helicopter. Seems like you should be the one to provide evidence that it was a graphical glitch with the game? and the fake it was a simulation, that shows it was fake



this is what we see in the flicker, no alex, no typhon, no destroyed earth. Just 4 operators in a room, a room which could well be on talos 1 or another space station for all we know
 
shanewallis said:
I've been doing a second run through without using nueromods and while more difficult i never pussy out of fights. Instead fighting intelligently with turrets and upgraded guns [luring typhon into killzones provided by turrets is always fun]



Why would it not be intentional? you say i ignore things to fit my own narrative but the glitch is very reminiscent of the glitch in the beginning when you're in the helicopter. Seems like you should be the one to provide evidence that it was a graphical glitch with the game? and the fake it was a simulation, that shows it was fake



this is what we see in the flicker, no alex, no typhon, no destroyed earth. Just 4 operators in a room, a room which could well be on talos 1 or another space station for all we know
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Okay. I say the glitch is proof that Alex is dead, Earth has still been overrun by the Typhon, and the Operators are the only ones left.

Prove me wrong.
 
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shanewallis said:
theres nothing to suggest this, not even a hint
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I'm not sure why you're steadfastly insisting on the most inane possible interpretation of the game's setting which makes the game itself entirely meaningless to an unbelievable degree. It goes far past asking 'deep questions' and straight into huffing one's own farts. Like, what's the entire point? This isn't deep literary analysis.

Generally "it was all just a dream" suggestions in fiction are because the actions and thoughts are relevant, whether or not they were all just a dream or a simulation.

The Matrix is about how 'the mind makes it real' even in the first movie. The simulation isn't a real place but it might as well be.

Inception is about Cobb just no longer worrying if he's trapped in a dream or not, it's about letting go of old bitterness and paranoia. Cobb not watching his toy thing spin is about him accepting that a good thing is a good thing whether it's real or imaginary.

Prey is about your ability to empathize mattering. Except not, if we assume you're right. If we assume you're right Prey is about herp derp deeeeerp. There is nothing to suggest your interpretation has any weight to it, whether Watsonian or Doylist, not even a hint.
 
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MJ12 Commando said:
I'm not sure why you're steadfastly insisting on the most inane possible interpretation of the game's setting which makes the game itself entirely meaningless to an unbelievable degree. It goes far past asking 'deep questions' and straight into huffing one's own farts. Like, what's the entire point? This isn't deep literary analysis.

Generally "it was all just a dream" suggestions in fiction are because the actions and thoughts are relevant, whether or not they were all just a dream or a simulation.

The Matrix is about how 'the mind makes it real' even in the first movie. The simulation isn't a real place but it might as well be.

Inception is about Cobb just no longer worrying if he's trapped in a dream or not, it's about letting go of old bitterness and paranoia. Cobb not watching his toy thing spin is about him accepting that a good thing is a good thing whether it's real or imaginary.

Prey is about your ability to empathize mattering. Except not, if we assume you're right. If we assume you're right Prey is about herp derp deeeeerp. There is nothing to suggest your interpretation has any weight to it, whether Watsonian or Doylist, not even a hint.
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the flicker at the end, that hints at it. It sugegsts that the next dlc or sequel may continue after the game ended. But until we get more info we cant make much of a concrete decision of 'what is real' and 'what isnt'

Jace911 said:
Nor is there anything to suggest any of your claims, yet that hasn't stopped you from making them.

Funny how I'm just supposed to accept that the glitch means whatever you want it to, whereas I have to provide a dissertation to prove it doesn't.
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no you dont, you suggested the glitch was a error in the game and not intentional, it seems clear to me that it was intended to put doubt into the players mind as to what happened during the game/ending
 
There is probably a 50/50 chance of the thing being a glitch that they missed, or an intentional thing. I mean there is an off chance that they found it to be such a minor thing that they left it in because they figured no one would notice, and that no theories about whether or not it was a stacked simulation would form.

Only way to confirm it would be to go on Arkane's social media pages and ask them about it.

EDIT: if Shane is right then Jace has to put underneath his name the words "Shane was right". If Jace is right then Shane will have to put the words "Jace was right" below his name.
 
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Daniel Estacado said:
There is probably a 50/50 chance of the thing being a glitch that they missed, or an intentional thing. I mean there is an off chance that they found it to be such a minor thing that they left it in because they figured no one would notice, and that no theories about whether or not it was a stacked simulation would form.

Only way to confirm it would be to go on Arkane's social media pages and ask them about it.

EDIT: if Shane is right then Jace has to put underneath his name the words "Shane was right". If Jace is right then Shane will have to put the words "Jace was right" below his name.
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i imagine they'd say something like 'its up to you to decide' to be purposely cryptic
 
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