Do you know how to use AO3's "Exclude" function? It's extremely useful for these kinds of situations.
Unfortunately AO3's Transformers fandom is pretty bad at consistently using tags for porn. Not in that they don't tag at all, but in that it might be any of like a dozen tags or none of them, Explicit and Mature are functionally useless because it's a coinflip which one the author thinks porn or horrors of war ought to be in, etc.

Maybe it's possible to filter it properly, but I've been having that problem as well for quite a while and I've not really found any simple way to filter it all out. Or mostly out.
 
I suspect that in some cases one reason behind ships with age gaps is that the writing, and in the case of visual media the casting/art style, bears so little resemblance to actual people of those ages that people subconsciously don't associate those characters with their canon ages.
 
Do you know how to use AO3's "Exclude" function? It's extremely useful for these kinds of situations.
I, for one, had no idea there was such a thing and I suspect I desperately need it.


With the Snape thing, I think there's also a "they hate each other so they must like each other" thing, plus a pair the academics thing even if one of those academics is a bigoted jerk who's actively hindering the other.

Personally, I'm rather tired of the whole "they hate each other so they must like each other" thing. It's not just a fanfic thing, I know, but it seems to be worse in fanfic.
 
I suspect that in some cases one reason behind ships with age gaps is that the writing, and in the case of visual media the casting/art style, bears so little resemblance to actual people of those ages that people subconsciously don't associate those characters with their canon ages.
This, yes. I often have trouble remembering that teen and younger characters are young, because they are very seldom written like they are young. Younger kids are generally written as a lot more competent and savvy than they are (often by genre necessity, you can't drop a real kid into a "kids have adventures" story and expect them to survive).

And teenagers are usually written as more knowledgeable than they are, and undersexed compared to real teenagers; partly since writers fear being accused of under-aged sexuality in their fiction, and partly because reading from the viewpoint of a super-horny teen would probably get old fast.
 
This, yes. I often have trouble remembering that teen and younger characters are young, because they are very seldom written like they are young. Younger kids are generally written as a lot more competent and savvy than they are (often by genre necessity, you can't drop a real kid into a "kids have adventures" story and expect them to survive).

And teenagers are usually written as more knowledgeable than they are, and undersexed compared to real teenagers; partly since writers fear being accused of under-aged sexuality in their fiction, and partly because reading from the viewpoint of a super-horny teen would probably get old fast.

It's also a matter of Agency. RL Teens lack a lot of Agency, between lacking access to financial resources to being unable to make decisions regarding school life without parental involvement. Most RL Teens have no survival skills, no significant resources, and some lack the maturity to learn those things except via hard experience which may or may not even take place in the story depending on the tone.

This is very distinct from what we see in most youth fiction. Take Harry Potter as an example: For the first few books he is shackled to the Dursely's opinions, but he grows further and further away from that over time, starting with things like sneaking out to Hogsmeade with his friends via his invisibility cloak, to eventually participating in a Guerilla resistance against a fascist government, living independently for months on end well before the age of 18, robbing a bank, etc.

Or another often cited example, Avatar: The Last Airbender, where the entirety of the story revolves around a group of kids traveling around the world recruiting other kids into a sort of adhoc resistance/rpg party for the chosen one. This includes such notable events as learning to manage and make money, helping with camp chores, dealing with scammers both inside your group and outside, negotiating with foreign governments while you occupy the role of a foreign power, and making literal life or death decisions in general.

If the narrative treats them as adults and they make their own decisions while living independently, treating them as (very young) adults is..... your brain working as intended I guess?
 
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You know, this talk about Harems makes me think of people who say "Ugh, that MC is weak/trash/wimp for not making a move on that heroine! Trash story!" or other variations. Seriously? I mean sure, it can be aggravating but do they not know or care how the other might feel in a "real world" scenario?

My best friend's ex kept hanging out with me before we went different school. Like, she would find me and we'd just hang out in a library to read books when there is a school event. I once waited for her on a restaurant one time to go together on a seminar, which to this day I don't know if it counts as a date because she keeps giving me weird signals. Heck she even kept holding my hand every time she finds me in public or when I'm alone. I don't know if she likes me romantically because she tends hug her friends both male and female so it confuses me.

So yeah, I can relate to the MC's romcom situation but at the same time understand why they find them annoying. Mostly, it's the exaggerated parts for me but it just irritates me for others to just belittle or berate the MC for not doing what they want him to do.

The problem is that they want the MC to be a "chad" or an "alpha" male. B*tch if I try that in real life I'll get slapped or get accused of mysogyny or harassment. They say they "hate" Harems and then write their own harem story, with claims of "making it better", which replaces it with their OC/SI that is more "badass" than the original.

Congratulations! You just made the same thing!
 
My main issues with harem stories are with the two main types:

There is a third type, which is kinda funny.

The First Girl is encouraging and actively building the harem.
This removes responsibility for the harem from the guy.
He's not building a harem, she is.

On the other hand, he does want to date her, but she's doing this before they can...
The resulting impression is that it's the most elaborate "gentle letdown" ever.


"I love you. Will you go out with me?"

"Uh, right. I... like you too! Maybe. But you're just too much man for me to handle. We should get some more girls involved."

"Really? That seems like a weird thing to say before our first date."

"It's not weird. It's totally normal. Lost of people do it. People who live far away. And we'll never meet. Anyway, we should get started. How about.. her! Or her! Ohh, that girl's cute!"

"Are you trying to dump me by foisting me off on someone else?"

"Ye- no! Totally not! Don't be silly..."



Unfortunately it never turns out that way, but I've seen more than one story that gave that impression.
Honestly I think it would be a much more interesting take on Harem stories than the standard.
 
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Unfortunately AO3's Transformers fandom is pretty bad at consistently using tags for porn. Not in that they don't tag at all, but in that it might be any of like a dozen tags or none of them, Explicit and Mature are functionally useless because it's a coinflip which one the author thinks porn or horrors of war ought to be in, etc.

Maybe it's possible to filter it properly, but I've been having that problem as well for quite a while and I've not really found any simple way to filter it all out. Or mostly out.
Yeah, failure to correctly and consistently tag is a problem across the website (and probably all fanfic websites). Like anything that's left up to the general public to do themselves, there's no way to be sure people are doing it correctly. At least with tags it's understandable that not everyone is using the same nomenclature, but when people don't even mark it with the right Category (i.e. M/F, F/F, M/M), that gets irksome. There's also a real lack of clarity about what the Other category is for; I think the idea is that it would be for cases that don't fit within a gender binary, but monsterfucking sometimes ends up there even if it's cisgender hetero monsterfucking. And all the porn should fall under Explicit but sometimes it's under Mature or there's no rating. It's still easier to sort than any other archive I know of, but it would be nice if people could tag their shit correctly.

I'm not a Transformers fan, but I did really like Bumblebee and wound up reading a fair bit of fanfic for it, and that fandom really seems to like the euphemism "interfacing." It seems like most of the variations fall under the parent tag "Sexual Interfacing (Transformers)", so if you exclude that, you should knock about 6,700 fics about Transformer-fucking off the list. Which is, admittedly, almost certainly not all of them. Excluding all the categories except Gen should get you only fics devoid of sex or romance, but of course some people don't mark a category or mark the wrong one...


I, for one, had no idea there was such a thing and I suspect I desperately need it.
Even if it's imperfect, it really was a huge boon to my user experience when they added it.
 
Instead it was "what if the pokemon were replaced with human girls I was allowed to own."

Day ruined.
Possibly the weirdest thing about this one, is if that's what I think you're talking about, it's, like... old stuff. Actually 90s old, almost as old as the pokemon series itself, comprising an entire weirdly extensively developed setting that's had at least several hundred thousand (and I'm pretty sure actually multiple millions of) words of fiction written for it, some of which is somehow even not smut. There's like an entire fandom that sprung up in the early years of pokemon around that specific conceit and has been, like, propagating and sustaining itself ever since.

There was a period a decade or two ago I was kinda' fascinated by several of the larger stories involved in the whole pokegirl mess. Like, it's often remarkably horrible shit on several different levels, but some of the authors were actively aware of that and seemed to try to handle the stuff involved with a degree of tastefulness, to the extent that was even remotely possible (which, considering there's monster girl encyclopedia and monmusu quest stories on this very site, is probably more possible than would be expected).

... failed, mostly, but it was the digging-below-the-barrel's-bottom fanfiction equivalent of watching a particularly slow motion train wreck. It's definitely one of the bits of personal reading history I've never quite reached a point of being sure how I feel about it. I don't regret it, exactly (there's worse settings out there... somehow), but there's definitely some mixed feelings involved, ha.
 
There's also a real lack of clarity about what the Other category is for; I think the idea is that it would be for cases that don't fit within a gender binary, but monsterfucking sometimes ends up there even if it's cisgender hetero monsterfucking.
Random piece of trivia I've learned off one ao3 founding member's tumblr - the category was originally for monsterfucking, the non binary gender stuff came later.
 
1. Randomly nerfing someone/a group of someones to make your main cast look good, especially in crossover fics. It doesn't.

2. Randomly buffing someone/a group of someone to force your main cast to lose. Or even worse, so someone new (an oc, probably) can jump in to save them. Just make their opponents smarter or use canonically stronger opponents. Or just don't do this.

3. Crossovers written with no thought put in towards how the parts making up the crossover would effect eachother, especially with "they happen in the same world" things. Ok then, explain how (magic/ki/whatever system 1) interacts with (magic/ki/whatever system 2), or at least how their users interacted (or managed to avoid eachother) in the past



SPECIAL BONUS POINT: learn how to use the tags on the site you're writing on. Please. For all of us.
 
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My best friend's ex kept hanging out with me before we went different school. Like, she would find me and we'd just hang out in a library to read books when there is a school event. I once waited for her on a restaurant one time to go together on a seminar, which to this day I don't know if it counts as a date because she keeps giving me weird signals. Heck she even kept holding my hand every time she finds me in public or when I'm alone. I don't know if she likes me romantically because she tends hug her friends both male and female so it confuses me.
As someone who is completely incapable of noticing when it is happening to me but can annoyingly tell for others - yeah, she was totally dating you. Probably casually but yeah.

But I think this just kinda highlights why it is actually completely reasonable for the MC to miss it in a lot of circumstances. Sometimes they are oblivious. Sometimes the signals are obvious from the outside but not from the inside because you're too close to it.
 
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Cis-Hetero relationships be overly complex and full of weird societal hangups and social cues nobody tells you: news at eleven.

:p
 
As someone who is completely incapable of noticing when it is happening to me but can annoyingly tell for others - yeah, she was totally dating you. Probably casually but yeah.

But I think this just kinda highlights why it is actually completely reasonable for the MC to miss it in a lot of circumstances. Sometimes they are oblivious. Sometimes the signals are obvious from the outside but not from the inside because you're too close to it.
"Is it Wrong to Date My Best Friend's Ex-Girlfriend?" is a Light Novel title that came to my mind lol :lol:
 
You know, this talk about Harems makes me think of people who say "Ugh, that MC is weak/trash/wimp for not making a move on that heroine! Trash story!" or other variations. Seriously? I mean sure, it can be aggravating but do they not know or care how the other might feel in a "real world" scenario?

My best friend's ex kept hanging out with me before we went different school. Like, she would find me and we'd just hang out in a library to read books when there is a school event. I once waited for her on a restaurant one time to go together on a seminar, which to this day I don't know if it counts as a date because she keeps giving me weird signals. Heck she even kept holding my hand every time she finds me in public or when I'm alone. I don't know if she likes me romantically because she tends hug her friends both male and female so it confuses me.

So yeah, I can relate to the MC's romcom situation but at the same time understand why they find them annoying. Mostly, it's the exaggerated parts for me but it just irritates me for others to just belittle or berate the MC for not doing what they want him to do.

The problem is that they want the MC to be a "chad" or an "alpha" male. B*tch if I try that in real life I'll get slapped or get accused of mysogyny or harassment. They say they "hate" Harems and then write their own harem story, with claims of "making it better", which replaces it with their OC/SI that is more "badass" than the original.

Congratulations! You just made the same thing!

Hmmm, while I understand what you mean, and I agree that some people need to chill with their complaining, usually when I see these complaints is on stories when the heroine makes very, very clear that she's into the MC. So I can get the frustration of some people, stories that dance around the issue of if the main couple will actually end dating or not are quite old by this point.

And "making a move" can be as simple as asking her out on a date or flirt, there's absolutely no need for it to be something extreme.
 
3. Crossovers written with no thought put in towards how the parts making up the crossover would effect eachother, especially with "they happen in the same world" things. Ok then, explain how (magic/ki/whatever system 1) interacts with (magic/ki/whatever system 2), or at least how their users interacted (or managed to avoid eachother) in the past
This. Make no mistake, I have a huge soft spot for Fantasy Kitchen Sink setups, but at least acknowledge outright contradictory cosmologies or characters bouncing off of outside-context-for-them issues.
 
Yeah, that's always annoying, especially the trope of 'Character from Fandom X goes to Hogwarts'; sure, Ichigo can go to Hogwarts, but you need to actually put thought into how the metaphysics interact.

You also need to respect both sides of the equation, because the only thing worse than 'I have put no thought into the interaction of the metaphysiscs' is 'I am going to relentlessly bash one side of the crossover'.
 
Is it just me that feels like many Fantasy story is basicly our world but with stick and magic instead of guns?

I've lost count how many so called medieval fantasy out for everyone to have access for luxury that we take for granted here such as birthday cake or clothes shopping(the modern outfit somehow)
 
Is it just me that feels like many Fantasy story is basicly our world but with stick and magic instead of guns?

I've lost count how many so called medieval fantasy out for everyone to have access for luxury that we take for granted here such as birthday cake or clothes shopping(the modern outfit somehow)
Well, I have read this one manga where the MC has a "sniper rifle" that is actually one of those staffs with a crystal at the end made to look like a gun. There is also the Other World Assassin (I think that's the name?) where they make a "gun" , Gun-Ota and that Demon Lord with the Sniper Elves.
 
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Is it just me that feels like many Fantasy story is basicly our world but with stick and magic instead of guns?

I've lost count how many so called medieval fantasy out for everyone to have access for luxury that we take for granted here such as birthday cake or clothes shopping(the modern outfit somehow)
Mostly I see that with Isekai and the occasional lighthearted webcomic. I would put it down the the author wanting the aesthetic of medieval fantasy but without having to deal with inconvenient things like having to haul water from a well to fill a bath one bucket at a time as that would get in the way of their adventure/romance/courtly intrigue plot.
 
One thing that has to be kept into account is "How does the existence of commonplace magic change the 'average' medieval world?" Because sure, the trappings might be medieval, but if they have healing magic available at every alchemist's or temple, then that gets disease down. And if they have magical sewer grids that purify crap (teehee) then filth and such isn't a thing. Etcetera.

So, yeah. In the real world's medieval times, you'd spend an hour gathering water for a simple bath. In a typical isekai, someone casts a Water spell on the tub, then a Heat spell, and bam, you have a bath. Ten seconds. Faster than modern plumbing.

Never judge a fantasy world by real world standards unless you remove or severely limit all magic in the setting.
 
Is it just me that feels like many Fantasy story is basicly our world but with stick and magic instead of guns?

I've lost count how many so called medieval fantasy out for everyone to have access for luxury that we take for granted here such as birthday cake or clothes shopping(the modern outfit somehow)
It often works out that way, but most times I've seen it it's explicitly blamed on previous isekai critters and/or magic. There's something to be said for that, too -- a setting with weird magic shenanigans probably shouldn't look like our medieval times in terms of convenience, especially for folks that aren't at the bottom of the proverbial totem pole.

It's definitely a bit lacking when a story does nothing to show why those differences exist or why they're not a concern, though. Even so little as an author's note or whatever going somethin' along the lines of "yes, that stuff exists but i don't want write about it, just like i don't want to detail exactly which section of ass cheek my characters scratch in the morning; assume competent critters in the setting are actually capable of navigating normal day to day activities and don't need that detailed" is nice.

and ninja'd, but eh
 
The only reason QQ is more creepy than say AO3 is that there are so many more comments. Personally, I can't read anything on QQ because it doesn't have the "Reader mode" feature SB/SV has and I tend to wait until theres a bunch of chapters on a story I read and then binge them. Also, i suppose I am not really interested in NSFW stories either because most are of such poor quality, so everything else is usually cross posted in other sites.
As far as I know QQ has reader mode same as SB/SV? The SFW section absolutely has at least. Not sure if any of the logged-in skins moves that somewhere it's hard to find or something?

As for the on-topic discussion, I must admit that I do have a soft spot for some harem stories. Sometimes I just need a mindless story with an overpowered SI/OC when I don't have the energy for "serious" fics. Amusingly, most of the ones that spring to mind are stories where the harem aspect is probably utterly unjustified. There's rarely any romantic scenes beyond spending time together and maybe some kissing or above the clothes touching, and honestly if they had all been friends instead the stories I'm thinking of would probably have been identical.

Which isn't really a huge endorsement for harem fics. 😅
 
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