This is why I could not read This Bites! Do the ku-fu dugongs really need to be strawhats?
I feel like I could write a full thesis and essay on the reasons I don't like This Bites, but honestly the two biggest reasons are character bloat as you mentioned and it going full blown reaction-fic post Alabasta. Cross gets the ability to broadcast to the entire world, and immediately every single chapter will now have random pointless asides of "look at these major power groups listening to the Cross Radio Show" from the Marine admirals to the Celestial Dragons to Shanks. I stopped reading it years ago, but no doubt if I went back now the newer chapters would have reactions from the Big Mom Pirates and Kaido's crew since they've both been revealed in the manga now.

As for the character bloat, it's mostly just that This Bites falls into one of the largest pitfalls I see all One Piece fanfics fall into - in the original work, there's a core crew of Strawhats that are just the right number of characters, maybe even a few too many since some like Robin and Brooke who joined later occasionally feel like they fall to the wayside. In fanfics? Every single author has favorite characters from every single arc who Oda left as one-offs that they feel the need to add, from Kaya to Gin to Vivi to Rebecca, and that's just more major characters who could conceivably fit in. Then This Bites has characters like, as you say the goddamn Kung-Fu Dugongs. And not just ONE of them; if it was only Boss it could probably be manageable, but they throw in four more as blatant Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles expies and I just don't give a single shit about them as characters. If the story desperately needed turtle seals as knock-off TMNTs, they would have been best suited as a one-off gag or minor side characters who occasionally get brought up when the Dugong pirate crew is mentioned.
 
When you forgot what happened in previous chapters so you have to reread the whole thing
I mean is this a bad thing? I often wish I had a button that would let me forget a fic so i could do a fresh reread of it. I guess if there's a lot to reread, that might be annoying, but honestly for me it's just more to read.
 
I mean is this a bad thing? I often wish I had a button that would let me forget a fic so i could do a fresh reread of it. I guess if there's a lot to reread, that might be annoying, but honestly for me it's just more to read.
I have to agree. I have the unfortunate tendency to be easily reminded of things from a story I'm re-reading. I would love to be able to forget it and read the entire thing again.
 
When authors want to skip key points of character development. I don't go in much for Bendemption myself (my take for Kylo is very much in the vein of a Macbeth/Throne of Blood downward spiral) but it bugs me how many authors blow straight past most of the intermediate steps to get to Good Boy Ben.
 
I mean is this a bad thing? I often wish I had a button that would let me forget a fic so i could do a fresh reread of it. I guess if there's a lot to reread, that might be annoying, but honestly for me it's just more to read.
I often start a fic and after a while I get sidetracked by other "oh shiny" stuff. When I come back I have forgotten much of the story and it feels like I have to start over. In the end I never finish the fic in the first place.
 
I find the problem with having to reread a fic, especially longer ones, is that they often don't stand as well on a re-read for me. I'm not caught in the original hype of "what will happen next" so a more critical eye slips in, and sometimes that's enough to take a fic from enjoyable to "wait I actually LIKED this?" and kill not only the re-read but my interest in the fic itself.
 
Overusing phrases. For example, one chapter of a fic I just read had two characters say "You can say that again" four times over three short scenes. Only one of those was outside of a conversation between those two characters.

Not the worst offender I've seen, but the most recent one (and the only specific one I can remember at the moment).
 
Overusing phrases. For example, one chapter of a fic I just read had two characters say "You can say that again" four times over three short scenes. Only one of those was outside of a conversation between those two characters.

Not the worst offender I've seen, but the most recent one (and the only specific one I can remember at the moment).
This is annoying, your example was even more annoying, and George R.R. Martin using this sentence scheme is the most annoying of all!
 
Pet Peeve: Genre Savvy characters.

If a character has been inserted into a story they recognize, and choose to risk their lives on the assumption that they understand everything that can happen perfectly, that's their choice.
Alternatively, if they have reason to believe that the world they're in is driven by narrative logic and decide to try and guess what the narrative is doing, that might be a good coping mechanism to avoid existential horror.

The problem arises when a character decides to make assumptions based on fictional stories that approximate their current situation and apply it without making any attempt to confirm it's correct.

Spending 10 minutes saying things like "menu" and "status" in an attempt to see of they have some sort of system is reasonable.
It's making plenty of assumptions, but it's not a huge risk and potentially a significant reward.

Some other assumptions I've seen are more dangerous.
1) Sticking their hand into a fire to gain [Fire Resistance] when they haven't seen any similar resistance abilities and don't know if long-term crippling injuries are possible.
2) Deciding they can get back home when they die, because they read a story where that happened, and making plans for how and when they will sacrifice themselves.
3) Deciding a dragon is not a major threat because "it looks like a mythological Western Dragon, and they aren't as dangerous as mythological Eastern Dragons" when they haven't actually gathered any information about the dragon-like creatures in the setting at all


Now characters do stupid things all the time.
What makes this a pet peeve is that there's pretty much only two ways it can turn out, either they're right or they're wrong.

If they're right, it's an absolute ass-pull.
They had no reasoning, no checking facts, just a random assumption randomly applied to their current situation, and they get rewarded for it.
I won't have any respect for the character or how they think.

If they're wrong, then it's arbitrary stupidity.
The author effectively created a straw-man argument saying "this character made a stupid assumption, look how stupid they are" when that character had no real reason to generate the assumption in the first place.
You don't need to go out of your way to make the character look stupid, that will be more than obvious in the normal progression of the story.

The instant some genre savvy character starts jumping to conclusions, it's a lose-lose proposition.
 
Overusing phrases. For example, one chapter of a fic I just read had two characters say "You can say that again" four times over three short scenes. Only one of those was outside of a conversation between those two characters.

Not the worst offender I've seen, but the most recent one (and the only specific one I can remember at the moment).
"FOR REAL?!"
 
Why do earthbenders get less love in avatar fanfics it feels like people prefer to just bend what the other elements should do then use earthbending. A million fics about fire benders who only use lightning or water benders who only bloodbend. It just sucks
 
Why do earthbenders get less love in avatar fanfics it feels like people prefer to just bend what the other elements should do then use earthbending. A million fics about fire benders who only use lightning or water benders who only bloodbend. It just sucks
Huh, you would think that there would be the occasional Earthbender that knows or learns lavabending, or metalbending.
 
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Two reasons spring to mind.

1) Earthbending easily lends itself to peaceful pursuits in construction. Since most stories involve convoluted explanations for why they can't possibly have a real job and totally need to go on an adventure, this makes them look lazy when they they try and avoid work.

2) They don't want to step on Toph's toes. Seriously, it's a bad idea.
 
I'll throw in my two cents.


1. I don't like it when fanfic writers heavily base their work on info they received in other fanfics, instead of going through the source material again to check their facts. It leads to compounding fanon with less and less tying it to the source material, to the point where they stop being comparable when put against each other. I can accept minor mistakes happen because memories get hazy (I'm very guilty of that), but if the author won't do the bare minimum to make their story feel authentic, than why should I read it? This isn't really counting stuff that marks itself as AU, but I wouldn't read an AU that takes the tag as a blank check to write a fanfic Ship of Theseus.

Bonus Points: I find myself bewildered when a fanfic author states/discloses that they never read the source material and are just winging it based on skimming through other fanfics and Wikia. I don't know why some authors write fanfics for things they never got direct experience with, but some do. Even if they do a good job at the writing part, the end result always feel a bit off because it was written by huerstics instead of comprehension.


2. Self-inserts are a tricky thing to do right (we could get into a separate discussion on what makes one good or bad), but I find myself taken out of a fanfic when the SI main character too quickly acclimates to whatever wild and crazy world they end up in. I don't need every SI fic to start with the main character peeing their pants and/or having a nervous breakdown, but I'd expect some shock from the event and a degree of buildup while they get their bearings in the new environment. How that would turn out is dependent on the setting, though some are easier to acclimate to than others

Bonus Points: The main character instantly shrugs off the inherent existential crisis of the "self-insert" premise and proceeds to powergame their eidetic memory of every aspect of the setting like they're styling on the NPCs and physics engine in an any% speedrun with the route planned in advance. If you need to look up lore while writing to make sure its correct, your character probably doesn't have access to those online resources and wouldn't know all of that crititcal knowledge off the top of their head.
 
1. I don't like it when fanfic writers heavily base their work on info they received in other fanfics, instead of going through the source material again to check their facts. It leads to compounding fanon with less and less tying it to the source material, to the point where they stop being comparable when put against each other. I can accept minor mistakes happen because memories get hazy (I'm very guilty of that), but if the author won't do the bare minimum to make their story feel authentic, than why should I read it? This isn't really counting stuff that marks itself as AU, but I wouldn't read an AU that takes the tag as a blank check to write a fanfic Ship of Theseus.

Bonus Points: I find myself bewildered when a fanfic author states/discloses that they never read the source material and are just winging it based on skimming through other fanfics and Wikia. I don't know why some authors write fanfics for things they never got direct experience with, but some do. Even if they do a good job at the writing part, the end result always feel a bit off because it was written by huerstics instead of comprehension.
Man, this one in particular kills me every time, especially as someone reading in the Worm fandom. Since Worm has its reputation as "grimdark" in certain crowds, that's expanded into a number of fanfic authors who not only haven't read Worm, but they'll PROUDLY state how they've never read Worm and never intend to, and how Wildbow is clearly a hack, and THEIR version of Worm will be superior... and then it's always some of the most godawful garbage I've ever read, with one-dimensional characters based on recycled tropes. I can understand reading fanfiction of something where you didn't enjoy the source material just fine - god knows I've read FAR too much RWBY fanfic since it feels like such a wasted setting from what little I've consumed - but if I ever did decide to sit down and write fanfiction for RWBY? You bet your ass I'd take the time to binge the show at a minimum to try and get SOME kind of feel for the world and the characters, even if I didn't like the source material. At least then if as an author I'm throwing things out left and right, I'm doing so with actual intention and knowledge of canon beyond "well I skimmed some character pages on the wiki and watched a video about how bad RWBY is sometime last year".
 
Earthbending easily lends itself to peaceful pursuits in construction. Since most stories involve convoluted explanations for why they can't possibly have a real job and totally need to go on an adventure, this makes them look lazy when they they try and avoid work.

But so do the other elements.

Waterbending screams both medicine and agriculture, there would be no town on the planet who would not be delighted to have one (outside of prejudices etc) .

Windbending allows you to fly. That alone would make insanely valuable messengers, and that's before we get into things like pressure based machinery. (Hello Steamengines.)

Firebending means you are essentially a walking unlimited fuel source as long as you have a candle. The applications are as limitless as technology.

The reason for an adventure should never be "I have no job prospects around here" as that just means the person walks two towns over and becomes a baker or something.

Just have it be a classic itch to travel or something if there is no other impetus.

god knows I've read FAR too much RWBY fanfic since it feels like such a wasted setting from what little I've consumed

I've been having trouble finding fics that don't inherit too many of the parent works issues. There are some, but they seem quite rare.
 
, but I find myself taken out of a fanfic when the SI main character too quickly acclimates to whatever wild and crazy world they end up in. I don't need every SI fic to start with the main character peeing their pants and/or having a nervous breakdown, but I'd expect some shock from the event and a degree of buildup while they get their bearings in the new environment.

I've honestly gotten bored with this. It's not a particularly useful storytelling tool, people in the middle of a freakout about their environment not making sense don't tend to be unique and the resolution tends to pretty samey as well.

This is why I've come to strongly favor the idea of just skipping ahead. Acclamation is a process, you can still do it, but present the initial freakout and the initial plan as fiat accompli. It happened, you can reference back to it as you need to, but start the story with something that matters to the story rather than spending your first few thousand words stuck inside somebody's head in a way that's generally not going to come up again and doesn't really tell me much about the character.
 
This is why I've come to strongly favor the idea of just skipping ahead. Acclamation is a process, you can still do it, but present the initial freakout and the initial plan as fiat accompli. It happened, you can reference back to it as you need to, but start the story with something that matters to the story rather than spending your first few thousand words stuck inside somebody's head in a way that's generally not going to come up again and doesn't really tell me much about the character.
Pretty much this.

And don´t write self inserts if the honest answer to "how would I react" is "hiding somewhere and curling up in a ball forever". Just use an OC instead, saves you the trouble of having to deal with the fact that most writers aren´t really protagonist material.
 
Pretty much this.

And don´t write self inserts if the honest answer to "how would I react" is "hiding somewhere and curling up in a ball forever". Just use an OC instead, saves you the trouble of having to deal with the fact that most writers aren´t really protagonist material.
Also, don't write an si if your perspective is just unpleasant to slog through. I'm not interested in slogging through chapter after chapter of the author's pathological trust issues, or their long explanations of how everyone in their life has betrayed them one after another. It's incredibly offputting and weird.
 
So I take it the only way to have a blank slate SI is to basically run a single voter quest where the voter has no knowledge of the setting but the author does?
 
Friend Inserts are definitely one of the better spins on an SI story that I've seen, for sure. Especially if said "FI" can actually be kept in the dark about the setting throughout, it makes for a more... natural? story, compared to a standard SI. Otherwise, I'd say the one version of an SI story that regularly works a lot better than average are the ones that are never from the actual insert's point of view, beyond maybe an interlude or two. Having only the outside perspective of the SI tends to keep their actual thought process somewhat more of a mystery, and can also be used as an interesting character examination of what someone with all the setting knowledge can actually look like from the outside, like Prison of Glass when it comes to Wormfics - how strange it is that the character will arbitrarily choose people to like and dislike (because of which characters they liked in the original story), and the borderline sociopathy of how an insert often just doesn't consider people outside of the named cast to be anything more than pointless NPCs.
 
I can see where you guys are coming from, and more or less agree. I'll ammend my statement by saying I'd prefer SI fics to have some acclimation rather than no acclimation, but it doesn't have to be a miserable slog. Skipping some of that is possible but it'd be a bit trickier to sell me on because its hard to tell if they are skipping for expediency or hastiness.

I haven't read any friend inserts, but the idea sounds fun. The reason I can't see myself doing one is that I do RPGs all the time, and if I need to consult the "player" for what they'd do at each turn it'd probably end up coming out as the game logs instead.
 
You know what my pet peeves about fanfiction are?

Threads about fanfiction pet peeves that are only there so others can get their 15 minutes of fame through their hot takes and highly specific "issues" with fanfiction in general.

Anyways, it's okay, folks: I'll be the one to write the Sufficient Velocity fanfic where I'm the main character.

Seriously, who ever wrote the story for SV really neglected all the side characters.

:anger:
 
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