Prime social link conditions. Maybe this is what we should aim for then, straight up beating them may prove too difficult.
Persona: HEAVEN (Persona/Sword Art Online/Isekai Multicross)
I feel like a lot of us have similar ideas here but they differ in some particulars. Throwing my own hat in the ring...
I think the question this all comes down to is - with 5 plan phases left, counting this one, how many more BULLETs do we think we can resolve? I'm thinking 2-3 maybe 4 if we really hustle. Thing is, they may be occupied a bit already - Pitohui and BLANK. From there we're basically left with ArFA-sys/Lievre, XeXeeD, Lugh, and... Kayaba? I think crossing XeXeeD off the resolvable list is probably for the best. Lievre and Lugh are interlinked so pursuing that angle seems more productive even if we end up having to decide one way or another (Subtilizer or Itsuki?) and have to leave the other unresolved.
I still think that Pito is the one we should try to finish first, and we seem the closest on that front anyway - to the point we're given moderate odds on being able to successfully resolve it right this moment. Perhaps go for one last push with Karen this turn then commit to resolving it next plan phase? In the meantime, set the groundwork up on Lievre/Lugh - contact Zeliska and chat with Lugh again and get the ball rolling on his end.
[X] Plan Like A Carefully Crafted Gunpla
-[X] Shoganai = 5 MAJOR actions, 8 MINOR actions. 20D
-[X]Major Actions
--[X] [Fan Meet Up!]
--[X] [Consult//Uncrowned Queen]
--[X] [The Champion's Whimper]
--[X] [SHADOW//Gather//Terminator]
--[X] [DEATH and Taxes]
-[X]Minor Actions
--[X] [Work//Titan Movers]
--[X] [.Work//Sign]
--[X] [Work//Augma]
--[X] [BUILD//Delanza -WarCrimes-]
--[X] [Literature Club!]
-[X]Free Actions
--[X][Sweets!]
--[X][Nekoya!]
Net Change:
Determination: -5
Yen: +500-5,500
Why DEATH? Because it's been neglected for a while! Also trains Curriculum and Empathy so it fills a hole there.Considered more Augma Work in place of 1-turning the Gunpla to work GRIT as well, but it just leveled so let's just roll. Brain turned off, misread how gunpla progress. Putting Augma back. I'm hoping that the major actions synergize a bit rather than having to make contact with Zeliska this round and then approach Leivre next one. If it indeed works like that... well, adjustments will need to be made.
I think the question this all comes down to is - with 5 plan phases left, counting this one, how many more BULLETs do we think we can resolve? I'm thinking 2-3 maybe 4 if we really hustle. Thing is, they may be occupied a bit already - Pitohui and BLANK. From there we're basically left with ArFA-sys/Lievre, XeXeeD, Lugh, and... Kayaba? I think crossing XeXeeD off the resolvable list is probably for the best. Lievre and Lugh are interlinked so pursuing that angle seems more productive even if we end up having to decide one way or another (Subtilizer or Itsuki?) and have to leave the other unresolved.
I still think that Pito is the one we should try to finish first, and we seem the closest on that front anyway - to the point we're given moderate odds on being able to successfully resolve it right this moment. Perhaps go for one last push with Karen this turn then commit to resolving it next plan phase? In the meantime, set the groundwork up on Lievre/Lugh - contact Zeliska and chat with Lugh again and get the ball rolling on his end.
[X] Plan Like A Carefully Crafted Gunpla
-[X] Shoganai = 5 MAJOR actions, 8 MINOR actions. 20D
-[X]Major Actions
--[X] [Fan Meet Up!]
--[X] [Consult//Uncrowned Queen]
--[X] [The Champion's Whimper]
--[X] [SHADOW//Gather//Terminator]
--[X] [DEATH and Taxes]
-[X]Minor Actions
--[X] [Work//Titan Movers]
--[X] [.Work//Sign]
--[X] [Work//Augma]
--[X] [BUILD//Delanza -WarCrimes-]
--[X] [Literature Club!]
-[X]Free Actions
--[X][Sweets!]
--[X][Nekoya!]
Net Change:
Determination: -5
Yen: +500-5,500
Why DEATH? Because it's been neglected for a while! Also trains Curriculum and Empathy so it fills a hole there.
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Underdog Emiya
God-Emperor of Underkind
- Location
- Brazil
- Pronouns
- He
Hold it right there! If I read correctly, Gunpla works on a similar principle to the Augma work, in which it´s not necessarily the number of actions we take that determine it´s success. Therefore, if my interpretation is correct, we need only to succeed at the rolls some times, and not to necessarily repeat it three times.
May I suggest you to pick WarCrimes model? Mask is one of our bigger stats and this means we have great odds of closing the roll in one singular turn lest we roll utterly dogshit. This also frees a space for us to potentially end the Augma shop this turn and get a hefty income boost we could either apply in weapons next turn OR to go for the buy option to at least give us a lead in who is pulling the strings on that market.
Yeah, I caught the Gunpla mistake myself and fixed it - putting Augma Work back in. And sure, I can switch to the other model - full disclosure, I just picked the model I would prefer building if it were me LOL.
Videogamer921
oh god it’s him
- Location
- 10th circle of Hell; Ohio
- Pronouns
- He/Him
We're going to need to find a lawyer to rule lawyer our way in this fight.
- Location
- The Sea of Souls
Gunpla works like Augma. You roll the stat, then get progress based on success values.
Underdog Emiya
God-Emperor of Underkind
- Location
- Brazil
- Pronouns
- He
Hm. Not a bad plan at all, even if I would rather have something to remove that singular stress point, but oh well. Beggars can´t be choosers.
[X] Plan Like A Carefully Crafted Gunpla
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Plan: Instead of Brain there is Gun
[X] Plan: Fool, Work Is Your Life
[X] Plan: Fool, Work Is Your Life
I don't like giving out favors to Glowgen for them helping us. Unless we can screw them when they ask for their 'favor', I'm against going to them for help in any way.
- Location
- The Z-Cave
The thing is with BLANK keeping us in our crosshairs and up against their absurd levels of plot armor we're at the point where we have to take risks to move forward. And remember, all plans that deal with Glowgen are done through Lierve as Kuro the role-playing ArsFa who given her...eccentricities doesn't seem to be taken too seriously by the other members. Any favor we have to repay will most likely be filtered through her and she's laser-focused on her SkyNet uprising which benefits us as well.
Screw it, you've convinced me, and yours is one of the only other plans that takes [Movie Magic].
[X] Plan: Fool, Work Is Your Life
Should we also recruit XeXeed to help with BLANK on the next turn? More bodies to throw at them can only be a good thing, right?
- Location
- The Z-Cave
I definitely want to in my personal quest to redeem every one-note hate sink male SAO character but he's also sadly unimportant in the grand scheme of things so it depends on how the cookie crumbles this turn and what comes up the next.
Also, the image of freaking XeXeeD of all people beating out everyone and becoming the final boss amuses me as well.
@afreaknamedpete Just to clarify for the future, are Sweets / Blue Actions / Jobs / Minor Action Stat Training repeatable in the same plan?
Since it occurs to me that if so we could indefinitely sustain Ganbatte with either 2x Sign or 1x Sign + CatCafe, Shoganai at the cost of Stat Training and 3x Sign, or Arimasen at 4x Sign (all provided that we get to 0 stress first)?
[X] Plan: Fool, Work Is Your Life
It's true that doing the plot actions first gives us leeway to get Personas later, but I would really rather that plan have Medicinal Baths to prevent the possibility of getting more Stress?
Also, @The Zog your plan isn't quite showing up correctly in the tally due to formatting issues?
Since it occurs to me that if so we could indefinitely sustain Ganbatte with either 2x Sign or 1x Sign + CatCafe, Shoganai at the cost of Stat Training and 3x Sign, or Arimasen at 4x Sign (all provided that we get to 0 stress first)?
[X] Plan: Fool, Work Is Your Life
It's true that doing the plot actions first gives us leeway to get Personas later, but I would really rather that plan have Medicinal Baths to prevent the possibility of getting more Stress?
Also, @The Zog your plan isn't quite showing up correctly in the tally due to formatting issues?
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Now it's good, earlier you forgot to indent the actual plan under the plan name lol
Redsoff
[DETACHMENT]
- Location
- By [your] side
[X] Plan: No Time to be Lion Around!
-[X] Arimasen = 6 MAJOR actions, 8 MINOR actions. 30D + Disadvantage on next week's STRESS roll!
-[X]Major Actions
--[X] [Fan Meet Up!]
--[X] [Consult//Uncrowned Queen]
--[X] [The Champion's Whimper]
--[X] [XaXastroturfing]
--[X] [Tuatha Dé]
--[X] [Movie Magic!]
-[X]Minor Actions
--[X] [Work//Titan Movers]
--[X] [.Work//Sign]
--[X] [Work//Augma]
--[X] [BUILD//Delanza -WarCrimes-]
--[X] [Literature Club!]
-[X]Free Actions
--[X][Sweets!]
--[X][Nekoya!]
Shelve Social Links for now to focus on plot.
Get XaXa's account while we still can.
Progress Pitohui.
Progress Lugh who's planning on taking out XeXeed, knocking out two bullets at once.
Finally link up with Zelinska. Read into ZASKAR GM and the robot uprising.
Movies give more versatility and possible location of a Social Link.
Moonshot is definitely a trap option. There's no way Blank just overlooked that exploit.
Think recruiting more people will just make things worse. XeXeed is a Death Gun candidate so he might end up killing Blank and his hotheaded personality is asking to be lead around by Sora, Glowgen is bad news and owning them favors is just asking for a bad time, and trying to sic a bunch of randos sounds like the type of chaos Blank would revel in.
We need to control the rules, not bigger numbers.
We're going to have to talk to people do buckle down for Cranky Hiyori.
Off the bat I want to go for the Lugh options, because I think turning the actual assassin to our side is important for this Arc. We can spare another to contact Zelinska too.
Don't think we should get a new Persona instead of developing what we already have. We need time to build them up, time we can spend building our case or building our existing Personas.
Is this your way of making sure we get a cool VR XaXa fight? Was this your plan all along?!
In canon Karen and Elsa promised to meet up in real life if Karen heated her in game, but that promise shifted from "Have Karen kill me virtually and meet up later" to "Have Karen kill me for real, nothing else matters."
I'm not sure how much Elsa honors the latter part of that promise, but wouldn't meeting up before that promise is fulfilled undermine it?
If Karen rejects Elsa's desires and refuses to kill, then Elsa will just give up on Karen and go to the Death Gun Derby. No point waiting for us if we can't give her what she wants.
On the other hand, Elsa wants Karen to kill her, Karen is starting to lapse into thinking killing would solve everything, and I'm wondering if meeting each other would just reinforce the delusion.
The ones unaccounted for are... REST and MAGICIAN, I believe. We know where DESPOT and CUPS are and PRIEST is already within reach.
Yes, more lore! Hope there's something here that can help Kirito, I want to fix him.
Aiming to get this before the field trip to maximize potential interactions, possibly max out the whole history lesson.
...Actually, when is the field trip? June?
But I think that it's Blank themselves that need to want to not win.
That winning has a condition or consequence so intolerable that even they would avoid it.
Something like, "The loser will immediately die."
Because while Blank is selfish, antisocial, and arrogant, they are not murderers. Their entire plot for Death Gun revolves around making a World where people don't have to kill.
Taking a life would sabotage the very SEED they wish for.
Are these rules just verbal agreements or supernaturally enforced by Aschente?
How flexible are the rules we can add? Can we add separate tasks to complete during the duel? Like "Every 5 minutes spin a wheel and do whatever is written on where it lands," or "If you land on this spot you trigger an event."
If so, can these tasks be a separate, different game? A game within a game, if you will.
We probably not gonna be Goku, but we can at least be Vegetarian!
-[X] Arimasen = 6 MAJOR actions, 8 MINOR actions. 30D + Disadvantage on next week's STRESS roll!
-[X]Major Actions
--[X] [Fan Meet Up!]
--[X] [Consult//Uncrowned Queen]
--[X] [The Champion's Whimper]
--[X] [XaXastroturfing]
--[X] [Tuatha Dé]
--[X] [Movie Magic!]
-[X]Minor Actions
--[X] [Work//Titan Movers]
--[X] [.Work//Sign]
--[X] [Work//Augma]
--[X] [BUILD//Delanza -WarCrimes-]
--[X] [Literature Club!]
-[X]Free Actions
--[X][Sweets!]
--[X][Nekoya!]
Shelve Social Links for now to focus on plot.
Get XaXa's account while we still can.
Progress Pitohui.
Progress Lugh who's planning on taking out XeXeed, knocking out two bullets at once.
Finally link up with Zelinska. Read into ZASKAR GM and the robot uprising.
Movies give more versatility and possible location of a Social Link.
Moonshot is definitely a trap option. There's no way Blank just overlooked that exploit.
Think recruiting more people will just make things worse. XeXeed is a Death Gun candidate so he might end up killing Blank and his hotheaded personality is asking to be lead around by Sora, Glowgen is bad news and owning them favors is just asking for a bad time, and trying to sic a bunch of randos sounds like the type of chaos Blank would revel in.
We need to control the rules, not bigger numbers.
Suddenly I'm really glad we chose to sleep in.
We're going to have to talk to people do buckle down for Cranky Hiyori.
Off the bat I want to go for the Lugh options, because I think turning the actual assassin to our side is important for this Arc. We can spare another to contact Zelinska too.
Don't think we should get a new Persona instead of developing what we already have. We need time to build them up, time we can spend building our case or building our existing Personas.
So to make use of this we might need to contact XaXa. Ugh,
Is this your way of making sure we get a cool VR XaXa fight? Was this your plan all along?!
This is... I don't know if this is a good idea or a bad one.
In canon Karen and Elsa promised to meet up in real life if Karen heated her in game, but that promise shifted from "Have Karen kill me virtually and meet up later" to "Have Karen kill me for real, nothing else matters."
I'm not sure how much Elsa honors the latter part of that promise, but wouldn't meeting up before that promise is fulfilled undermine it?
If Karen rejects Elsa's desires and refuses to kill, then Elsa will just give up on Karen and go to the Death Gun Derby. No point waiting for us if we can't give her what she wants.
On the other hand, Elsa wants Karen to kill her, Karen is starting to lapse into thinking killing would solve everything, and I'm wondering if meeting each other would just reinforce the delusion.
I wonder if this is how we unlock another Social Link, like how we met Suzuki on the train.
The ones unaccounted for are... REST and MAGICIAN, I believe. We know where DESPOT and CUPS are and PRIEST is already within reach.
Yes, more lore! Hope there's something here that can help Kirito, I want to fix him.
Aiming to get this before the field trip to maximize potential interactions, possibly max out the whole history lesson.
...Actually, when is the field trip? June?
Agreed that forcing a draw is our best option.
But I think that it's Blank themselves that need to want to not win.
That winning has a condition or consequence so intolerable that even they would avoid it.
Something like, "The loser will immediately die."
Because while Blank is selfish, antisocial, and arrogant, they are not murderers. Their entire plot for Death Gun revolves around making a World where people don't have to kill.
Taking a life would sabotage the very SEED they wish for.
Are these rules just verbal agreements or supernaturally enforced by Aschente?
How flexible are the rules we can add? Can we add separate tasks to complete during the duel? Like "Every 5 minutes spin a wheel and do whatever is written on where it lands," or "If you land on this spot you trigger an event."
If so, can these tasks be a separate, different game? A game within a game, if you will.
Oof. With Arc 3 coming up, more Fitness does sound good, but that Stress...
We probably not gonna be Goku, but we can at least be Vegetarian!
MrKermie
The Villain Arc Is Now Cancelled
- Location
- Somewhere on the planet
- Pronouns
- He/Him
It's been a while since I watched NGNL, but isn't aschente that magic thingy that starts all the games? If so, that sounds like something that we'd see if we fought their [Real Deal] version with the Black Star.
[X] Plan: No Time to be Lion Around!
While I prefer this plan, won't we be behind on Shadow Tax this way?
While I prefer this plan, won't we be behind on Shadow Tax this way?
Agreed, bigger numbers to me is just a way to get a larger safety buffer, but do you have any Rules in mind for now?
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Redsoff
[DETACHMENT]
- Location
- By [your] side
Are we? I thought we were on target and could get away with a week.
This plan takes 6 Major, and so even 1 Shadow Tax would leave us slightly behind, and taking 0 will likely force our hand next phase?
Honestly, Blank is super intimidating narratively, and the framing of the effects of winning/defeat don't really allow for compromise as-is (losing our account means we can't use Personas, which is a swift trip to a Bad Ending iirc).
Thus, next phase should we try and lower the stakes with Blank?
- Location
- The Sea of Souls
Some of this stuff has built up as detritus over the quest's duration so I haven't been as clear as I could be.
Major actions are one and done.
Sweets/Nekoya are once per week, maximum.
Jobs are generally once per period.
Minor actions, unless otherwise specified, can be taken as many times as one pleases during a period.
The field trip stays in something I call narrative void-space, and I'm purposefully not giving a specific time. AKA I throw it in when I think it'd be thematically appropriate and to break up any big action heavy moments.
Will be clearer in the fight, but Blank's 'point' so to speak, is that life is like a game and the game is a truly horrible one. The gimmick of Blank's fight and his RD is SEED enforced rules, provided both parties agree. I'm still brainstorming the details but fundamentally you can Blank can agree on any number of rules, to activate mid combat even, to constrain each other.
Even something as simple as "All parties agree not to log off and log back in with an alt" or "All parties agree that when HP hits zero the controller of the avatar loses the game" are up for negotiation.
Their new world doesn't really fix that though, because
1) Nothing in it implies the rules and stakes are fair or compassionate,
2) Nothing in it stops people with power from suckering or coercing people into unfair games, ones that are now literally inescapable for anyone not named Blank?
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Switching my vote to break tie after some thinking
[X] Plan: Fool, Work Is Your Life
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Its just that the rules are consistent.
Both of Blank are visibly on the spectrum and the world doesn't make any sense or give any allowance to them outside of virtual environments where the rules are finite and knowable, unlike the real world where nobody explains the rules, nobody obeys the rules and it seems dedicated to just repeatedly fucking them over for not following the rules they don't know.
So what they really want is the world to stop screwing them over. Their means is by their own issues - understanding the rules so they can gain control over their lives.