Either the Old Ones (not the Old Gods, different dudes) are/were Titans, or they were their defense systems/manufactured failsaves left behind on this world?
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The answer lies in the Naaru, or more specifically for this discussion their wikia page.
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...The answer lies in the Naaru, or more specifically for this discussion their wikia page.
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The Naaru are either the Old Ones or one of, if not the most, powerful creations of the Old Ones who got their tech?
They had Dimensional magitech that's true, but they seem all too altruistic and self-sacrificing to be the Old Ones, they don't even manufacture their own unique, biological war-bots like the Slaan were.
Are we talking about a splinter group here, Old Ones who legged it after one side of their society went Control Central with genetic modifications?
Or are the Naaru Warp-beings that were born at the start of time, benevolent Order in contrast to malevolent Chaos?
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MMMMMM. So close, its in this statement here.
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They're unique biological warbots than?
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They are made out of energy, that would be some funky-ass biological warbot, wouldn't it?
Are they energy-warbots then? Or jailbroken ship-AI warp-soul-thingamics?
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They were created around the start of the universe... but which universe hint hint.
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They're C'tan equivalents?
Look, this might make sense to you, but your canon for this quest is clearly making a logical leap that makes sense to you, but makes almost no sense to someone else.
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Ok I will explain... give me a sec to write all this down. Sorry it just made sense to me.
. A well feel free to lambast me if it makes no sense and my brain is just farting.
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this ain't 40k
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Wait.
Were the Slaan-biological warbots originally meant to clash with the Naaru?
The Old Gods were absolute control freaks, mayhaps to the lesser level to the Titans, mayhaps greater. There is no way a Naaru would accept them.
Other possibility: were the Naaru the lords/gods of the Old Ones, who in turn tried to create an biological warbot-horde to face the Burning legion/chaos head-on?
The Old Ones despised all gods and other warp beings. Their waystone network was meant to stop such beings from exerting any control on the material world.
Well that worked perfectly.
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Ok my logic comes from two main things.
1. the Paraelles between the Titans and the Old ones. The two are simply too similar with their goals of bringing order to a naturally chaotic universe and even had similar methods of doing this, ordering the planet creating servants and biological life. This is where the similarities end. For a start they are the opposites in almost every way, where the Titans are ruthless they ain't the ***holes, the Old Ones are, they didn't make life for weapons... often. Second their styles, more specifically the fact that the Old Ones use biological and the Old Ones are all metalic, they are even metal, and this shows in their servants, Biological Lizard men Steel and stone Valkiur giants and dwarfs and other servants for the Titans.
2. Their enemy. The parallels between the Old Gods and the Chaos gods again was part of this inspiration, both parasitic in nature feeding of destruction chaos, both being so strong their old ones couldn't face them head on and both incabalbe of being killed, or at least their influence will live on much like the chaos can never be killed. The main difference again is they are the opposite in being, the Old Gods being physical beings and the Chaos gods being energy warp beings.
the thing that cemented this together is that in every source I looked for on the Naaru one of the first things that always came up was that they were Dimension travelers.
The conclusion I came to was that the Titans and the Old Ones are twisted mirrors of each other, the same in their goals, but different in their structure and how they do thing, and that they both met their mortal enemies the chaotic and corrupting Chaos gods/Old Gods. The difference is that the Titans won. The Old Ones lost and ran, creating species to make a counter to the chaos gods.
Where the Naaru fit in is that they are traveling across dimensions, not into other dimensions only ones connected through things like the twisting nether/ Warp, in order to create their "army of light" to create a final solution to chaos.
Ok, was that good was that bad does it make any sense, or is it about as valuable as a pile of donkey droppings
1. the Paraelles between the Titans and the Old ones. The two are simply too similar with their goals of bringing order to a naturally chaotic universe and even had similar methods of doing this, ordering the planet creating servants and biological life. This is where the similarities end. For a start they are the opposites in almost every way, where the Titans are ruthless they ain't the ***holes, the Old Ones are, they didn't make life for weapons... often. Second their styles, more specifically the fact that the Old Ones use biological and the Old Ones are all metalic, they are even metal, and this shows in their servants, Biological Lizard men Steel and stone Valkiur giants and dwarfs and other servants for the Titans.
2. Their enemy. The parallels between the Old Gods and the Chaos gods again was part of this inspiration, both parasitic in nature feeding of destruction chaos, both being so strong their old ones couldn't face them head on and both incabalbe of being killed, or at least their influence will live on much like the chaos can never be killed. The main difference again is they are the opposite in being, the Old Gods being physical beings and the Chaos gods being energy warp beings.
the thing that cemented this together is that in every source I looked for on the Naaru one of the first things that always came up was that they were Dimension travelers.
The conclusion I came to was that the Titans and the Old Ones are twisted mirrors of each other, the same in their goals, but different in their structure and how they do thing, and that they both met their mortal enemies the chaotic and corrupting Chaos gods/Old Gods. The difference is that the Titans won. The Old Ones lost and ran, creating species to make a counter to the chaos gods.
Where the Naaru fit in is that they are traveling across dimensions, not into other dimensions only ones connected through things like the twisting nether/ Warp, in order to create their "army of light" to create a final solution to chaos.
Ok, was that good was that bad does it make any sense, or is it about as valuable as a pile of donkey droppings
The problem with this is that to end Chaos you would either have to destroy all sentient life of Malus (the name of WHF world) or at least transmute it so something so different that it may as well be killing it. Unlike the Old Gods the Dark Gods of Chaos have no real discrete existence to destroy even if one came up with a means to do so.
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What exactly is your point here? What was we supposed to point out? Many of these points were theorized in-thread, but what exactly was the camels' back you had wanted us to figure out?Ok, was that good was that bad does it make any sense, or is it about as valuable as a pile of donkey droppings
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It was just to see if you picked up on the points. In hind sight it was pretty dumb, and I apologies.
If you want I can do something to make up for it.
That implies they have an end solution. The army of light is a line they spout to give people hope as well as an end goal and if necessary a stop against forces like chaos and the legion, while they figure out a solution.
It wasn't like people didn't see the similarities: you just made it sound as there was something specific that we should notice about the correlation.
I guess you could give a small bonus to talking to that damn shifty Naaru.
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Yeah it was d dumb move on my part as a GM.
As for that it caused a lot of head scratching so no I will offer something a wee bit bigger are recompense. Give me a sec
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This is Warhammer Fantasy unless you are altering the metaphysics there is no Warp, there is the Aethyr which has major differences. The underlying metaphysics in 40k and Fantasy have many similarities, but still have some major divergences.
People saying things about the "warp" has been bugging me for a while now.