Oh God, am I the Mannis now? - GoT/SI

Would it really be prudent to send Renly all the way West in the middle of Lannister land? Surley if it's the gold that they want then they could send someone less important no matter how it might look.
Why would he send him now? Stabby would be the one to admnister it for him, he goes there, verify things are in working order, put a proper castelan in place, and enjoy the gold.

Not using all of the improvements he devised for Storm's End, as to delay their theft.
 
Lending had by necessity high interest, especially for nobles, because getting your money back was a bitch. Even if the lendee had the money to pay back, convincing them to pay is tricky.
It helps when you're the King's brother and heir, and one of the most powerful half dozen people in the kingdom in your own right.
 
Another idea that struck me was having Tywin pay for shared in the Iron Bank for the Iron Throne in exchange for the sexy sexy sword.


Would this be on the table? Does the Iron Bank actually do this? If they do; which limitations would be attached to it?


Would they even sell to Westeros? And what do know the Iron Bank actually does?
 
Another idea that struck me was having Tywin pay for shared in the Iron Bank for the Iron Throne in exchange for the sexy sexy sword.


Would this be on the table? Does the Iron Bank actually do this? If they do; which limitations would be attached to it?


Would they even sell to Westeros? And what do know the Iron Bank actually does?
You mean pay for shares? Nah, don't see it working easily like that.
 
Alright! Don't hesitate to keep brainstorming but so far, thank you all! ;) I've most set upon squeezing seed money for westerosi financial interest ;)
 
Another possible project is to create some sort better alternate route that bypasses the Twins. In case you like screwing over the Freys for shits and giggles. On mobile right now, so I don't have access to a map and give ideas for what alternative...

Also, how advanced are the maesters in the medical/healthcare field?
 
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It's been mentioned already but it's far too soon for a flag. At some point Stabby might in fact chose to go the nationalistic route, grabbing up all the Andals, to whip up emergency support if needed.

On the others points made though: Social reform is unlikely to be driven by Stabby. It might have come across but he kind of likes nearly unlimited power with little accountability as we think of it. Any reforms will come as a side effect of his trade policies. Ea. What happens when your merchant class suddenly economically dominates your gentry?

Pushback and conservatism is what! Which might, probably, lead to some sweet social tensions.

Electricity: Uhm, I'm an Eco major and high school has been a while ago. I barely remember that somehow magnetism is involved. I'm trying to limit whatever Stabby can introduce by not letting him be cleverer than I am.

On the Starks: Lyanna should appear in the update after the next. It's not going to be a happy time for Robert or Lyanna. Not sure how I'm going to play it in the long run but Jon will try to push Cersei on Robert. Stabby will face the dilemma of sharing what he knows about her and Jaime or keeping mum on the subject. If it gets out via Robert outrage...he burns most ties with Tywin almost immediately.

At least Tywin can't look to the Targs.

I've decided on acquiring seed funding for a personal bank in exchange for the sword. Another concern is; 12 daggers produce more steel than I initially assumed. There's enough left over one large one or two other gladia.

Most of the ideas on banking are perfectly valid but take time to set up. Fractional lending works fine as long as you have perfect control over it and hard regulations to back it up with. Any fool with more than a cursory knowledge of finances in Westeros would be able to ruin you with a whisper campaign leading up to a run on your bank.

So you need to start smaller. Hawala type money exchanges (in the sense of depositing, for a set price, x amount of gold in Oldtown and being able to retrieve the same x in Lannisport/King's Landing/White Harbor etc). Once that is set up it'll likely go the route of micro financing to specific ventures and loaning money against/underwritten by collateral (houses/land/various rights & titles). The latter comes with the strings attached of having to explain how they expect to pay it back.

Since Stabby would expect the vast majority of his wealth, and profits, to come from the investment side of it he can afford to be picky. And build up a reputation for stability. Loaning in Westeros is likely profitable but you need ways to recoup bad debt, have a hand in the money making venture, and be able to repossess/claim the collateral. I imagine being an LP & the brother of the King would help but it would still cost you insane amounts of political capital.

For that reason, even though intellectually Stabby knows that usury brings staggering wealth if done right, loaning is probably not something he'll heavily dabble in.

Investments disguised as loans however he can see as foreign aid and simply leverage it into concessions.
 
I realize that this is hindsight speaking... but how will Tywin react to Stabby's' banking ventures? I'm not sure but I think he's also in the money lending business and that Robert owed him a lot of money in canon.
 
I realize that this is hindsight speaking... but how will Tywin react to Stabby's' banking ventures? I'm not sure but I think he's also in the money lending business and that Robert owed him a lot of money in canon.
I think he is in the money landing business more by virtue of being the richest guy in the continent than anything. The brilliantly cultivated reputation of always paying his debts, one way of the other, also helps.

@Sir Rabby Asking Tywin to also act as reference is probably more valuable than the money itself. After all, not only you get a ton of contacts, but also gets 'known' as the guy Tywin trusted to open a bank, just by virtue of being introduced by him.
 
Stabby best bet is to try to get Lyanna and Robert together. All other options are various worse.. Cersei is insane, and there are no daughters of paramounts that bring new ties. unless you want to try double ties with the Tyrells. Lyanna will bring ties with the north, river lands, and the Vale.

if you really have to break all ties the Lannisters, try to prove that Cersei is not a virgin. Go with the faith being more militant and aggressive. or get Cersei to break it off herself. Spend time with Jaime and keep talking up seeking glory in Essos, and how much his life will be paperwork, politics, and never having to personally fight again. Do anything to try to keep the lannisters around. Everyone but Jaime and Cersei are competed.
 
Hey, Tywin got to sack Kingslanding and barely lost anything in the war, he should be cool with not getting Cersei wed to Bobby B, if only because the War got his son back home.

They are great allies to have, and Stannis is getting along just fine. His capitalist views are a good fit for the Lannisters.
 
I realize that this is hindsight speaking... but how will Tywin react to Stabby's' banking ventures? I'm not sure but I think he's also in the money lending business and that Robert owed him a lot of money in canon.
Robert doesn't yet owe him money. The debt in canon was after 20 years of Robert whoring and spending.

Stabby best bet is to try to get Lyanna and Robert together. All other options are various worse.. Cersei is insane, and there are no daughters of paramounts that bring new ties. unless you want to try double ties with the Tyrells. Lyanna will bring ties with the north, river lands, and the Vale.

if you really have to break all ties the Lannisters, try to prove that Cersei is not a virgin. Go with the faith being more militant and aggressive. or get Cersei to break it off herself. Spend time with Jaime and keep talking up seeking glory in Essos, and how much his life will be paperwork, politics, and never having to personally fight again. Do anything to try to keep the lannisters around. Everyone but Jaime and Cersei are competed.

Competent?
 
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You wouldn't have to tell Robert about Cersei, just Jon. If he believed Stabby it could insure that he was the one to voice a strong objection instead of Stannis. Plus there is less chance of him spilling the secret. Stabby could seek to keep the Lyanna thing going to "secure a northern alliance" or "make his brother happy". In general, the more distance he has from this thing the better.
 
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He is the goddam King. A lot can be justified 'because it makes the King happy'.

He made war with a dynasty 300 years old, all for that one woman. He is not going to marry anyone but her if she is alive.

I think that largely depends upon how their reunion goes. I doubt he would be as inclined to marry someone who ran off willingly into Rhaegars arms, plunging the realm into war. This would be the worst case scenario obviously, in reality we likely never know the whole truth of what happened. She wasn't the greatest fan of the Robert before and he isn't much changed (and if he did it has been for the worse), maybe she doesn't want to marry him? I doubt Ned would force her if she objected now.

The bottom line is that this situation is a mess and I doubt one can count just on Roberts infatuation to secure the union when there are a lot of things that might interfere. A lot of people will have different reasons for trying to block the marriage.
 
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I really like your attitude on the various changes you can make here @Sir Rabby I've seen a good few of these where the SI was a one man industrial revolution and I can't imagine it.

I have some hobbies and a few whims that have led to me being kind of familiar with metalworking (hello SCA!) and I have made blackpowder from scratch.

I also have no idea how to make a gun. I suppose I could fake up a cannon with time and materials, but the whole process is a huge pain in the ass even when you don't have to deal with fucking Westeros in addition to it.

The most valuable thing anyone could bring from the modern world (in their heads) is the attitude of observation and analysis as well as a certain disconnection from the politics of Westeros.

I think that Stabby has this and it's worked fairly well up to this point. The stuff Stabby is doing is plausible and the whole thing is fun to read.

Be a hell of a twist if you manage to stop the Robert-Cersei wedding. Fun too, as it would be a nice thing for Bobby and you've made me like him (you monster!).

Looking forward to more!
 
Electricity: Uhm, I'm an Eco major and high school has been a while ago. I barely remember that somehow magnetism is involved. I'm trying to limit whatever Stabby can introduce by not letting him be cleverer than I am.
You should play to your strengths: fund R&D, including the theoretical. It's a much more realistic route to future industrial revolution than most things from the genre of temporally displaced engineers anyway.

Knowing magnets are involved is already a big deal by itself, actually. Generating electrical current is as easy as moving a magnet through a spool of wire (heck, some of those rechargeable flashlights/torches that you have shake a magnet through a wire spool), and one of the key discoveries of the nineteenth century was simply noticing that an electrical current affects a compass needle. And you certainly have much interest in those given your naval ambitions.

This is not playing too smart because in reality, none of the above will be of any practical use to you by itself. While anyone playing with wire, magnets, and compass needles could easily figure out how to make a basic telegraph, the range of that sort of setup will not be anywhere near competitive with your semaphores, because long wires are both expensive and have huge voltage drop, so in practical terms you easily could make a telegraph to the next building, but not to the next kingdom.

But what you do have is a clear excuse of finding some bright people and giving them the task of figuring out how it works, with a huge advantage over history in at least knowing what's possible, even if you have no clue whatsoever how to achieve them (e.g., batteries). You also (probably) know that science is driven by experiment and tests ideas by trying to experimentally prove them wrong, which is itself a huge innovation in thought.

Even with no industrial revolution within your lifetime, over the next generations Stannis Labs or Stormland Institute or whatever could easily become known as the birthplace of modern science. That's a neat legacy to have, and over the long term arguably easily eclipsing anything the Tywins of this world will achieve by itself (i.e., even separately from your other schemes). So if nothing else, do it for your ego. ;)

Also, I think it may be interesting even on the short term—this is a potential of stepping on the Maesters' toes, but their monopoly on knowledge really does need to be broken.
 
I think that largely depends upon how their reunion goes. I doubt he would be as inclined to marry someone who ran off willingly into Rhaegars arms, plunging the realm into war. This would be the worst case scenario obviously, in reality we likely never know the whole truth of what happened. She wasn't the greatest fan of the Robert before and he isn't much changed (and if he did it has been for the worse), maybe she doesn't want to marry him? I doubt Ned would force her if she objected now.

The bottom line is that this situation is a mess and I doubt one can count just on Roberts infatuation to secure the union when there are a lot of things that might interfere. A lot of people will have different reasons for trying to block the marriage.
If she did love him, well, Stabby will have to be a conforting brother and wait a while for Robert's infatuation die down so he doesn't say Lianna while fucking Cersei. That right there caused most of the problems.
 
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