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So a thought occurred, I'm going to assume that being the type of person he is Aizen would have likely shown any of the sufficiently powerful Arrancar his sword so they'd be affected by his Shikai....the thing is would Nemo, who was rather weak when we started this, have been powerful enough for him to bother.

After all we are always wearing our cloak so it is unlikely that he has noticed our jump in power.
 
So a thought occurred, I'm going to assume that being the type of person he is Aizen would have likely shown any of the sufficiently powerful Arrancar his sword so they'd be affected by his Shikai....the thing is would Nemo, who was rather weak when we started this, have been powerful enough for him to bother.

After all we are always wearing our cloak so it is unlikely that he has noticed our jump in power.

I don't think he bothered. Even the best Arrancar don't qualify as a threat to him. Just having more power on average doesn't help when you're fighting a guy with Champion baseline at a minimum--and unlike the Shinigami, there's basically no such thing as a Resurrection that's gimmicky enough to potentially defeat him anyway, like Zanka no Tachi and "Fuck this entire planet" effects, or Kyoraku's bullshit games. The whole Arrancar thing as an organized unit is just too primitive and elemental to compensate for his superior power and greater breadth of ability.

Aizen's a schemer, but he's a schemer because that lets him derive some enjoyment from his efforts--because if he did it all himself, he'd be done in a few days at worst.
 
I don't think he bothered. Even the best Arrancar don't qualify as a threat to him. Just having more power on average doesn't help when you're fighting a guy with Champion baseline at a minimum--and unlike the Shinigami, there's basically no such thing as a Resurrection that's gimmicky enough to potentially defeat him anyway, like Zanka no Tachi and "Fuck this entire planet" effects, or Kyoraku's bullshit games. The whole Arrancar thing as an organized unit is just too primitive and elemental to compensate for his superior power and greater breadth of ability.

Aizen's a schemer, but he's a schemer because that lets him derive some enjoyment from his efforts--because if he did it all himself, he'd be done in a few days at worst.
True Aizen is OP Bullshit HAX powerful but I also see him as the type of person who would do something like that as a fail safe.
 
[ ] You disagree.

lets not anger aizen and ulquiora too much with espada slaying.
also, Luppi is too untrustworthy to risk things. we better wait a bit and have him do his first move without us, and observe...
even if his offer good, he might be overestimating his power
 
[X] You disagree.

Climb as high and as far as you can go, but don't do it with untrustworthy idiots at your back.

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What exactly is a "vanity pick"? I'm afraid I don't quite understand the concept.

Considering that Vanity means "excessive pride in or admiration of one's own appearance or achievements." Then logically a Vanity pick would be someone picked to make oneself look good in comparison.
 
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I don't think he bothered. Even the best Arrancar don't qualify as a threat to him. Just having more power on average doesn't help when you're fighting a guy with Champion baseline at a minimum--and unlike the Shinigami, there's basically no such thing as a Resurrection that's gimmicky enough to potentially defeat him anyway, like Zanka no Tachi and "Fuck this entire planet" effects, or Kyoraku's bullshit games. The whole Arrancar thing as an organized unit is just too primitive and elemental to compensate for his superior power and greater breadth of ability.

Aizen's a schemer, but he's a schemer because that lets him derive some enjoyment from his efforts--because if he did it all himself, he'd be done in a few days at worst.

I suspect he showed off his sword in the private meeting!
 
Now you understand better, you think. Cirucci, Alphonse and Esmeralda, knowingly or not, have taught you more about friendship, alliances, and how people act with each other when bound by such fragile ties as Hollows can build. This constant feuding is one way to build a bond with each other. A vitriolic form of alliance, but one that is ready to lash out against any who would threaten the whole.

Yeah, they bicker endlessly but they're pretty tied together.

You do not flinch at the comment; you bow in curtsey #8 ("polite deference to nominal peers who are nonetheless acknowledged as senior and servants of a greater master"), and that makes Sung-Sun smile.

Style so useful.

"Don't be rude, Apacci. It is our pleasure to welcome you among the Fraccions, young one. What is your name?"

You gesture quickly, spelling it out, which makes Sung-Sun chuckle.

Evidence for my Instinctual Arrancar Sign Language continues to mount :p

You bow lightly. Luck and good tactics, really. You take no pride in it. But your mistress had ordered you to win, and so you had no choice.

Gods that is such a Style response. I love it.

, and with that big of a mask-

I also love this little thing. I...think it comes up in canon as well, but the idea that the larger the remains of the mask the weaker the Arrancar is absolutely the sort of thing that would be one of those little gossipy rumours that 'everyone knows'. It isn't actually true of course, but I can 100% see it being the sort of thing people would buy into. (We know it isn't true, Ulquiorra's mask is pretty damned large, and Harribel's Estigma is actually fairly massive. Edrad's is tiny and he's one of the weaker lot overall.)

You look at the bones and wonder if there are stakes, if victory gives one of the Tres Bestias a true advantage over the others.

They probably just do it to pass the time. It's not like there's much better to do in Hueco Mundo. Place is hella boring.

Apacci frowns as she picks her ear. "I think I know the Hollow version of that one?"

Gods I love the idea of Hollows having their own (needlessly violent) version of fairytales.

"Your face is silly!"

The ultimate comeback.

Sung Sun the very composed, very serious woman makes a soft gesture of her hand, turning a dice upside down so it breaks Apacci's throw. No one notices, and you have to repress a giggle at this.

Sung-Sun might like to play the dignified one but she's not actually above it all.

"I will teach you… The witch ways. You will find them rewarding, if painful, but I will expect hard work and service."

We know the Tres Bestias main trick is something they developed, not natural to them, because they didn't use to know each other, they met under Harribel's service. Would be an interesting advanced skill. Maybe the very beginnings of a Arrancar version of Kido? Would be super neat, Kido (with its centuries of research and development) is one of the biggest advantages the Shinigami have over the Arrancar.

"This always struck me as strange," Sung-Sun sighs. "There seems to be no reason why there'd be so few women among our Lord's armies.

I mean, when the actual reason is ' a lot of manga authors, including Kubo, have issues including Women' it's kind of hard to come up with an in-universe justification for it. :p

"I'm just… Still mulling it over. I don't want to talk about it just yet."

There weren't any actual plans. We had an incredibly stilted tea ceremony, the rest of the Espada bickered and sniped at each other, and Aizen spent the whole time sitting there looking smug.

You don't feel him coming, and neither does Cirucci until the very last moment.

I know it's a disfavoured skill, but damn we need to improve Reiatsu Perception. I mean, I still like the idea of getting to a Veteran baseline though the Favoured/Disfavoured split has made that a harder prospect.

"Don't you agree?"

Your throat feels dry. You swallow harshly, and think.


[ ] You agree.
[ ] You disagree.

welp.

Kudos Omicron, that's a hell of a hard decision there.

Is there a reason that they keep mistaking us for Gillian? I could understand Esmerelda, since she could only go on how we act, but you would think that the Fraccion would be able to tell that we had simply been a lower tier w/e the word is for the next stage of hollowness.

As others have mentioned, it's Nemo's cloak. It makes her feel like a Gillian, for the purpose of ordering around mindless Gillian around, but it also makes people underestimate her.

If Cirucci were to climb the ranks, Cirucci would not gain any more de jure authority of the Espada, her de facto authority would remain the same (de facto authority stems from power and having the number would not increase her power), and she would get no additional privileges.

Incorrect actually. Higher ranked Espada can order lower ranked Espada around. (Even if practically speaking it would be awkward and cause massive problems with the egos involved)

Of course the main reason she wants it is Cirucci's pride. She feels she deserves a higher position.

This brings up an interesting point - the surviving conciousness of a Hollow composed of a multitude of souls naturally selects for self-assurance and force of will. How is it that of all the personalities she's a composite of, Nemo was the one to take control?

Yeah, as a process it kind of self-selects for arrogance and ego, because they're more likely to hold themself together and not drown under the ocean of souls. Kind of goes a way towards explaining why Arrancars are ludicrously arrogant on the whole.

True Aizen is OP Bullshit HAX powerful but I also see him as the type of person who would do something like that as a fail safe.

Despite the whole 'all according to keikaku' reputation, Aizen actually doesn't plan all that much out, except in the broadest strokes. Plus yeah, he doesn't remotely consider them a threat, practically nothing is. Yamamoto is a threat, because he can just go 'fuck everything' and immolate everything for a hundred miles around him. Sure it would kill all the other captains as well, but it would successfully kill Aizen, which is all he'd care about. Hence Wonderweiss. Unohana is...maybe a threat as well. (When he was about to murder Hitsugaya he got the fuck out of dodge when she showed up.) I'm fairly sure Central 46 have actual forbidden her from fighting (because they're scared shitless of the worst criminal in the entire history of Soul Society), but still. Beyond that...Kyoraku's Bankai at a stretch? (Though that's another non-discriminatory one that would kill everyone nearby)

That's kind of it.

What exactly is a "vanity pick"? I'm afraid I don't quite understand the concept.

A pick just for the sake of vanity. i.e. just selecting Nemo because she was pretty, despite having no actual merits.
 
[X] You disagree.
-[X] Given Aizen's stated plans, you could expect attrition to happen soon. Best be focused on ensuring that she's not one of those, and being better positioned to take advantage of any weaknesses revealed during operations.
 
[x] You disagree.

Cirruci is not meant for this base earth, but she shall soar on her own terms. Let us grow in strength and have her take her spot as number one through overrwhelming power, not dishonorable trickery.
 
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Yeah, but seriously, the only Arrancar who probably got Kyoka Suigetsued was Barragan--and that was purely because he's a legitimate danger if not managed, thanks to how absolutely fucking devastating and indiscriminate his Respira is.

I mean, even Starrk's showing was nowhere near on Barragan's level when the War happened. He pretty much ended up getting his face wrecked without doing serious damage to any of his opponents. Barragan was a desperate struggle with almost everyone, and he still ended up maiming a Captain by the end.
 
Yeah, but seriously, the only Arrancar who probably got Kyoka Suigetsued was Barragan--and that was purely because he's a legitimate danger if not managed, thanks to how absolutely fucking devastating and indiscriminate his Respira is.

I mean, even Starrk's showing was nowhere near on Barragan's level when the War happened. He pretty much ended up getting his face wrecked without doing serious damage to any of his opponents. Barragan was a desperate struggle with almost everyone, and he still ended up maiming a Captain by the end.

I think that could have just been a bad match up. Stark is number one because his raw power is just ridiculous, and he fought Shunsui who is tricky enough to largely nullify that as an advantage.
 
[X] You disagree.

You shake your head gently. Luppi is a boneless creature of the deep sea, a creature that kills by crushing in the lightless depths where none watch. You do not wish him to gain any leverage over Cirruci. Any leverage - any at all - is something he will use to latch on and tighten his grasp. Perhaps he wishes to push her into annoying Lord Aizen more than he can tolerate by throwing her plans into chaos. Perhaps he is lying about his lack of ambition, for Cirruci were to slay the eighth or the nineth, she would no longer be protected and he would seize her when she was tired from the fight - because, your lip curls up, he has not one honourable bone in his body. Perhaps he merely wants her taking all the risks so he can slither into the Diez spot.

There is an old saying in the mortal world - keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. You fear that Luppi knows those words well.
My issue with this vote is: what do you see as the alternative?

Most people are treating this vote as just
[] - Ally with the slimy creeper
[] - do not do that thing


And if that were the case, the second option would be the obvious one. But that's clearly not right, because Cirucci's position is untenable. She has Privaron below her, Espada above her, Shinigami before her, and Luppi to the side. If she's not going to work her way up the ranks, just like she did before, then she has to do something else to cling on like a barnacle. Just treading water will win her no friends and ensure that Aizen doesn't bat an eyelid when Luppi (or anyone) kills her and takes her place.

Anyone voting that it's too risky to do something need to consider the fact that it's riskier to do nothing. They also need to consider that Cirucci is significantly better-suited to fighting Aaroniero or Szayel (especially as part of a team) than she is Luppi. We know Aizen doesn't care - it's how both Szayel and Nnoitra got their ranks.

At this point, [] - Disagree is clearly going to win, and a lot of people are going to be very disappointed that a) it makes it look like we don't have faith in Cirucci, b) it doesn't magical dispel all conflict.
 
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The choice is between allying with Luppi or not. Fights are going to come no matter what. Luppi is a backstabbing piece of shit, allying with him just gives him greater latitude when deciding when to fuck us over. At least now he's going to be nominally at fault.
 
My issue with this vote is: what do you see as the alternative?

No alternative was presented, and the very offer itself puts Cirucci in a place where he's now allowed to go after whatever new position she has (they're only allowed to not fight over the number 10 spot - nothing stopping him going after her once she's no longer number 10).

This vote didn't present a number of choices for picking your poison - it's a choice between a bright green bottle which is smoking and has a skull and crossbones on it, and "okay, let's not drink that blatant poison and let's at least see what range of other suspicious bottles present themselves to us".

Oh, I can certainly see a situation where Luppi is a poison I would pick, but as it stands "accept" is a vote to chug down the first bottle you see despite it being obviously incredibly toxic.
 
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