- Location
- Attached to a wall
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X][Action] Attempt to store resources against future need. (General)
I will decide on the focus later.
I will decide on the focus later.
No, SV, You Are the Forest! (Riot Quest)
- Thread starter Raising Kittens
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- Original
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- original riot quest forest trees
Please don't. Currently growing further empty trees does not do anything*, with any potential utility probably depending on future researches**. Which is why you should instead grow a Tranquil tree or grow the forest.
* Except for clogging up precious special tree slots of course
**"Eventually" is pretty vague. Raising Kittens may have been referencing future research, rewards from pleasing the worm, a function unlocked after a set period of time or at higher magnitude, or maybe the super secret reward for crippling ourselves with 40 empty trees. Personally I favour the non 40 empty tree possibilities.
Edit: Fixed link
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- Location
- Canada
[X] [Tree] Root Tree
[X] [Action] Grow the Forest
[X] [Focus] Grow the Forest
[X] [Focus] Grow the Forest x2
[X] [Focus] Grow the Forest x3
I was going to join this before the hiatus but forgot about it. Glad to see it still lives.
[X] [Action] Grow the Forest
[X] [Focus] Grow the Forest
[X] [Focus] Grow the Forest x2
[X] [Focus] Grow the Forest x3
I was going to join this before the hiatus but forgot about it. Glad to see it still lives.
- Location
- Attached to a wall
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Completely changing my vote.
[X][Action] Expand the reach of the Forest, allowing it to gather resources from a larger area. (Magnetic)
[X][Focus] Research the Reflecting Tree (Crystal)
[X][Focus] Research Elder Trees (General)
[X] [Focus] Grow the Forest
[X][Action] Expand the reach of the Forest, allowing it to gather resources from a larger area. (Magnetic)
[X][Focus] Research the Reflecting Tree (Crystal)
[X][Focus] Research Elder Trees (General)
[X] [Focus] Grow the Forest
So, looking at the turn 6 results update, actions seem to be roughly processed according to # of voters/vote tally order, with some oddities probably due to merging inconsistently formatted votes. The vote tally itself seems to sort according to # of voters and then chronologically as best I can tell?
So, general voting notes:
- We have sufficient people aiding the Ingaba with their research, feel free to research other things if you want to, since that is theoretically more efficient
- I would very much appreciate another one or two "Grow Tranquil Tree" votes, both to make completion more reliable, and beat out potential empty tree voters.
Fakedit:
Magnetic trees aren't bad, but tranquil trees are better, in terms of successes granted.
So, general voting notes:
- We have sufficient people aiding the Ingaba with their research, feel free to research other things if you want to, since that is theoretically more efficient
- I would very much appreciate another one or two "Grow Tranquil Tree" votes, both to make completion more reliable, and beat out potential empty tree voters.
Fakedit:
Could I possibly convince you to grow tranquil tree instead please? It is more efficient usage of the last remaining special tree slot, because it provides on average, an extra success per ten mind tree research voters, to all research actions, while a single magnetic tree provides only a flat 1 success to one action, erecting shield.
Magnetic trees aren't bad, but tranquil trees are better, in terms of successes granted.
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AzureShogun
Tanks are better than Mechs
- Location
- United Kingdom
[X] [Action] Grow the Forest
[X] [Focus] Grow the Forest
[X] [Focus] Grow the Forest x2
[X] [Focus] Grow the Forest x3
Grow grow grow!!!
[X] [Focus] Grow the Forest
[X] [Focus] Grow the Forest x2
[X] [Focus] Grow the Forest x3
Grow grow grow!!!
- Location
- United Kingdom
[X][Action] Grow Tranquil Tree
[X] [Focus] Grow Scoop Tree
[X] [Focus] Grow Scoop Tree x2
[X] [Focus] Grow the Forest
Expanding our range is likely to pass without my help now, particularly with the extra dice from our Hoop tree, so as an Elder Heart I'm willing to throw another couple of dice at guaranteeing our 40th tree to be a Tranquil type.
[X] [Focus] Grow Scoop Tree
[X] [Focus] Grow Scoop Tree x2
[X] [Focus] Grow the Forest
Expanding our range is likely to pass without my help now, particularly with the extra dice from our Hoop tree, so as an Elder Heart I'm willing to throw another couple of dice at guaranteeing our 40th tree to be a Tranquil type.
- Location
- Lasha Tumbai
Considering only the 3 focus actions with the most votes do anything and it doesn't matter how many people vote for them in terms of results, it doesn't really matter if everyone focus votes or not?
Important to keep in mind that each mag only gets us 10 slots. There should be research to improve this but that is far enough away that we can't guess the distance. Each magnitude is likely to be significantly more expensive than the last. So for the foreseeable future 50 is what we got.
We will certainly want a fourth Tranquil tree. The research bonus is unmatched. 1
Of the tree we are researching only Plasma and Hyper unlock new actions. Optical tree doesn't open an action but having an entirely different type of sensor seems incredibly advantageous. 3
That leave us with only six slots open for non-critical trees.
We will certainly want a fourth Tranquil tree. The research bonus is unmatched. 1
Of the tree we are researching only Plasma and Hyper unlock new actions. Optical tree doesn't open an action but having an entirely different type of sensor seems incredibly advantageous. 3
That leave us with only six slots open for non-critical trees.
- Location
- United Kingdom
The good thing is improving trees to Elder is a Growth action, so our Collector Focus bonus would apply to that.
Ideally, this means we can keep some space free for completely new trees, and just upgrade current ones if we want more of something.
My ideal Mag 4 additions:
- Laser Tree
- Hyper Tree
- Optical Tree
- Plasma Tree
- Shaping Tree
- Reflecting Tree
- Tranquil Tree
- Scoop Tree
- Collector Tree
- Collector Tree
Shaping Tree adds a scaling bonus per magnitude, which is nice, reflecting tree mostly to see what elder tree options it has.
My predicted Mag 4 additions:
- Empty Tree
- Empty Tree
- Empty Tree
- Empty Tree
- Empty Tree
- Empty Tree
- Empty Tree
- Empty Tree
- Empty Tree
- Empty Tree
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completely and utterly fine
I don't think we need more Collector Trees at the moment?
Growing the forest is a never-ending enterprise*. Collector trees help with that, and would also help with growing Elder Trees.
Plus, if all focuses are growth, they just get more effective at higher magnitudes as we get more focuses. Collector trees are great.
*Until we reach the forestgrowing victory condition anyway.
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It would be 8 succeses at Mag 4. See what I mean about becoming more effective at higher magnitudes? I think it is worth it.
Of course, you are free to disagree, but please just don't go for empty trees instead.
- Location
- Attached to a wall
- Pronouns
- She/Her
That wormhole is quite interesting. I wonder if we can use shortcuts in space in order direct different stars towards us.
- Location
- A Table Near You
Status (updated as of the most recent edit) of the major research initiatives this turn:
19 voters
3 Research Trees, 3 Elder Mind Trees, 12 Mind Trees, 1 Root Tree
52 dice
21 * 2 (Worm) * 1.2 (Tranquil) = 50 successes needed for completion
Probability of >= 21 successes: 93.7%
Marginal return: 2 extra dice raise the success chance to 96.2%, 4 extra dice to 97.8%
Assessment: Now at a very comfortable success chance. At this point, any new Mind Trees can just pick any research project of their choice. I'd personally recommend either Crystal Formation or Optical Trees, as they're the closest * tech to completion and the most immediately useful.
7 Voters
2 Research Trees, 1 Elder Mind Tree, 4 Mind Trees
22 dice
8 * 2 (Worm) * 1.2 (Tranquil) = 19 successes needed for completion
Probability of >= 8 successes: 93.3%
Marginal return: 2 extra dice raise the success chance to 96.8%; 4 dice to 98.6%
Assessment: Also doing fine. Elder Trees are pretty important to have unlocked next turn, so Root trees are less inclined to waste slots on useless junk. Ideally, we want both Elder Trees and the Wormhole at >90%.
5 voters
1 Research Tree, 1 Elder Mind Tree, 3 Mind Trees
15 dice
Current leading * tech: Crystal Formation (4 voters, 11 dice, 40 successes to completion)
Probability of finishing project this turn: 0.05%
Marginal return: 10 extra dice to the research agreement increase the success chance to 27.4%.
10 extra dice to Crystal Formation instead raise the success chance to 50.0%
Assessment: Due to not benefiting from the Worm or Tranquil tree multipliers, the Ingaba research agreement is largely obsolete. Contributing beyond the bare minimum necessary to avoid defaulting on the treaty is only worthwhile if the tech in question is nearly done, to remove all random dice variance; we're better off just directly voting for an asterisk tech if there are >20 successes left or so. @T2E @Gnich, one of you can safely switch to another project.
19 voters
3 Research Trees, 3 Elder Mind Trees, 12 Mind Trees, 1 Root Tree
52 dice
21 * 2 (Worm) * 1.2 (Tranquil) = 50 successes needed for completion
Probability of >= 21 successes: 93.7%
Marginal return: 2 extra dice raise the success chance to 96.2%, 4 extra dice to 97.8%
Assessment: Now at a very comfortable success chance. At this point, any new Mind Trees can just pick any research project of their choice. I'd personally recommend either Crystal Formation or Optical Trees, as they're the closest * tech to completion and the most immediately useful.
7 Voters
2 Research Trees, 1 Elder Mind Tree, 4 Mind Trees
22 dice
8 * 2 (Worm) * 1.2 (Tranquil) = 19 successes needed for completion
Probability of >= 8 successes: 93.3%
Marginal return: 2 extra dice raise the success chance to 96.8%; 4 dice to 98.6%
Assessment: Also doing fine. Elder Trees are pretty important to have unlocked next turn, so Root trees are less inclined to waste slots on useless junk. Ideally, we want both Elder Trees and the Wormhole at >90%.
5 voters
1 Research Tree, 1 Elder Mind Tree, 3 Mind Trees
15 dice
Current leading * tech: Crystal Formation (4 voters, 11 dice, 40 successes to completion)
Probability of finishing project this turn: 0.05%
Marginal return: 10 extra dice to the research agreement increase the success chance to 27.4%.
10 extra dice to Crystal Formation instead raise the success chance to 50.0%
Assessment: Due to not benefiting from the Worm or Tranquil tree multipliers, the Ingaba research agreement is largely obsolete. Contributing beyond the bare minimum necessary to avoid defaulting on the treaty is only worthwhile if the tech in question is nearly done, to remove all random dice variance; we're better off just directly voting for an asterisk tech if there are >20 successes left or so. @T2E @Gnich, one of you can safely switch to another project.
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@Sapient_Ham thanks for that! Helps lay things out clearly.
I will note than since the Ingaba bonus always applies to the most voted * research, the utility of using it to finish of a specific research is dubious.
I will further note that votes to finish off Optical are not a bad idea, so we have a new special tree to build on Mag 4
I will note than since the Ingaba bonus always applies to the most voted * research, the utility of using it to finish of a specific research is dubious.
I will further note that votes to finish off Optical are not a bad idea, so we have a new special tree to build on Mag 4
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In this case, it's referring to the dice put into the action by people who used the raise the shield action without us actually needing the shield raised before that point.
Which, as it turns out, was a good decision. Keep maintaining our shield Hearts! Admittedly we also need you to worship the worm (a task I as a growth tree can no longer really justify doing) and extend the forest's reach, but fortunately I'm pretty sure there's enough of you to do all 3!