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DeathSprings said:
But we're talking survivability. Hookwolf wouldn't die to normal weapons fire. If they wanted Kaiser dead mm would kill him inside a week. Am would have an insta-kill do him inside two. You'd have to bathe Hookwolf in insanely strong acid or plant a grenade in his chest (which he would spit out) I won't remember how he does in canon I want to say Levi but that's wrong. Is it scion?
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I was talking about fighting ability, not survivability. If we were talking about that Alibaster has the rest of the E88 beat, he's next to useless against most capes though.

Hookwolf was so good because he had both survivability and power. Kaiser has more power, less survivability. He takes steps to negate that detriment though, as I pointed out.
 
shinkicker444 said:
Wonder if Danny's will specifies who Taylor would go to. Such potential for massive awkwardness.
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It's kind of a moot point. Taylor's going to be in protective custody until her power is under control and the E88 is wiped out anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if she gets moved to a completely different city on the West coast, or even one of the Wards' Canadian branches once the whole thing dies down.

Unless, you know, she breaks out and goes on a killing spree, but that's another matter.
 
Tiresias said:
It's kind of a moot point. Taylor's going to be in protective custody until her power is under control and the E88 is wiped out anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if she gets moved to a completely different city on the West coast, or even one of the Wards' Canadian branches once the whole thing dies down.

Unless, you know, she breaks out and goes on a killing spree, but that's another matter.
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Yeah, mentioned the protective custody in a post down from that one. Doubt she will go to another city, as no one cares about other cities in this setting as all the characters we care about are here.
 
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    • shinkicker444 said:
    I think some forum PMs between a Madison/Emma/Sophia could be interesting, if you wanted to add to the Omake, @LordCirce.
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    Nah, I plan to leave main character responses to LD. If the canon Madison response doesn't exactly fit SpecificProtag, then it is just someone else.

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    ♦Topic: Hookwolf, Thread Four
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    VagariousAugry (Original Poster) (Moderator)
    Posted on September 23, 2009:

    Alright, so the last thread both was overly bloated, and had descended into a general hatefest, so we had a quick hammering session and are now opening another thread. Remember, this thread is specifically for factual information purposes only. Threats, baseless speculation, and *shudder* shipping are not allowed.

    Hookwolf is a villain, associated with the Empire Eighty-Eight, a white supremacist gang based in Brockton Bay. He is officially listed as a Brute 7, Changer 4. His power is to shapeshift into a whirling mass of metal blades. He commonly takes the form of a wolf. A map of the areas he is commonly sighted can be found here (thanks goes to Norville_Walker for putting the Villain Sighting Maps together).

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    ► Mansangno
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    Look, until the official announcement goes out, don't go assuming he is actually dead. Yeah, we saw him collapse, but that could just mean he is incapacitated. Remember, he's broken out of Birdcage transports, by himself, twice!

    ► MrPigWitch
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    Which is why the first reposne of those on the ground should be to fill him full of lead. Don't take any chances.

    ► MadAtYou (Cape Groupie)
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    Look, matter can neither be created or destroyed, so all of that metal that he makes has to have come from somewhere. You don't get to be a villain of his level without being shot at, so I doubt filling him full of lead is going to do much more than let him generate more metal.

    ► MrPigWitch
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    Then throw him on the electric chair. No one is actually invinsible, you just have to try hard enough to kill them.

    ► Louie The Stooge (PRT Agent)
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    Word hasn't broken yet, but it's coming, so I'm just going to say it. Hookwolf is dead. Confirmed, bagged, tagged, ready for disposal. This might get me in trouble, but I've known several good men and women that he ripped to pieces, so I'm going to get in early to say good riddance to bad rubbish.

    ► GRS777
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    Watch the tone. The Wolf of Blades may have been monstrous in shape, but he had a warrior's honor. That death was beneath him.

    ► Louie The Stooge (PRT Agent)
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    F*** you! He was a raging butcher, and he deserved exactly what he got. Death.

    ► Tin_Mother (Moderator)
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    Official Warning - Keep things civil. As good as it is to know that a villain like Hookwolf is off the streets, this thread is not for arguing or debate. Take it to the Brockton Bay Events Discussion thread if you want to argue.

    ► GRS777
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    I thought the moderators were supposed to be neutral, but it seems I am once again proven wrong. I am not condoning the atrocity that was committed, but men like Hookwolf and [Temp-Ban - You were told to cease, and we are still not allowing release of the names of the victims from the E88 video yet. Take 24 hours to cool yourself off. - Tin_Mother]

    ► edgar1175
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    Good riddance. To both Hookwolf and those supporting him.

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    *NEW* edgar1175: It's no good. They aren't letting anyone see her except family, and she doesn't have any in the Bay.

    *NEW* edgar1175: Memorial raising of a toast to Danny at Longman's Bar, then a -peaceful- drive through 8th Avenue. You in?

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    Nah, I plan to leave main character responses to LD. If the canon Madison response doesn't exactly fit SpecificProtag, then it is just someone else.

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    ♦Topic: Hookwolf, Thread Four
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    VagariousAugry (Original Poster) (Moderator)
    Posted on September 23, 2009:

    Alright, so the last thread both was overly bloated, and had descended into a general hatefest, so we had a quick hammering session and are now opening another thread. Remember, this thread is specifically for factual information purposes only. Threats, baseless speculation, and *shudder* shipping are not allowed.

    Hookwolf is a villain, associated with the Empire Eighty-Eight, a white supremacist gang based in Brockton Bay. He is officially listed as a Brute 7, Changer 4. A map of the areas he is commonly sighted can be found here (thanks goes to Norville_Walker for putting the Villain Sighting Maps together).

    Edit: Map updated as of 06/25/2010.


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    ► Mansangno
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    Look, until the official announcement goes out, don't go assuming he is actually dead. Yeah, we saw him collapse, but that could just mean he is incapacitated. Remember, he's broken out of Birdcage transports, by himself, twice!

    ► MrPigWitch
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    Which is why the first reposne of those on the ground should be to fill him full of lead. Don't take any chances.

    ► MadAtYou (Cape Groupie)
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    Look, matter can neither be created or destroyed, so all of that metal that he makes has to have come from somewhere. You don't get to be a villain of his level without being shot at, so I doubt filling him full of lead is going to do much more than let him generate more metal.

    ► MrPigWitch
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    Then throw him on the electric chair. No one is actually invinsible, you just have to try hard enough to kill them.

    ► Louie The Stooge (PRT Agent)
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    Word hasn't broken yet, but it's coming, so I'm just going to say it. Hookwolf is dead. Confirmed, bagged, tagged, ready for disposal. This might get me in trouble, but I've known several good men and women that he ripped to pieces, so I'm going to get in early to say good riddance to bad rubbish.

    ► GRS777
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    Watch the tone. The Wolf of Blades may have been monstrous in shape, but he had a warrior's honor. That death was beneath him.

    ► Louie The Stooge (PRT Agent)
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    F*** you! He was a raging butcher, and he deserved exactly what he got. Death.

    ► Tin_Mother (Moderator)
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    Official Warning - Keep things civil. As good as it is to know that a villain like Hookwolf is off the streets, this thread is not for arguing or debate. Take it to the Brockton Bay Events Discussion thread if you want to argue.

    ► GRS777
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    I thought the moderators were supposed to be neutral, but it seems I am once again proven wrong. I am not condoning the atrocity that was committed, but men like Hookwolf and [Temp-Ban - You were told to cease, and we are still not allowing release of the names of the victims from the E88 video yet. Take 24 hours to cool yourself off. - Tin_Mother]

    ► edgar1175
    Replied on December 24, 2010:
    Good riddance. To both Hookwolf and those supporting him.

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    craig28843: I'm in.

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    Indexed :p

    If you have an SB account you might wanna post these there too, or should I do it if u don't???
     
    As much as Kaiser might hate letting any insult go, I'd be willing to bet serious money that drive through won't even get a single hiss from ANY E-88 or those supporting them; Kaiser would make it clear he'd be MOST pleased for anyone to step out of line again, he'll be rewarding them with multiple blades from multiple directions for adding more fuel to a fire that's already hot enough to be very, VERY uncomfortable for Kaiser's liking.
     
    Iceflame55 said:
    As much as Kaiser might hate letting any insult go, I'd be willing to bet serious money that drive through won't even get a single hiss from ANY E-88 or those supporting them; Kaiser would make it clear he'd be MOST pleased for anyone to step out of line again, he'll be rewarding them with multiple blades from multiple directions for adding more fuel to a fire that's already hot enough to be very, VERY uncomfortable for Kaiser's liking.
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    I think it beyond uncomfortable at this point.
     
    Iceflame55 said:
    As much as Kaiser might hate letting any insult go, I'd be willing to bet serious money that drive through won't even get a single hiss from ANY E-88 or those supporting them; Kaiser would make it clear he'd be MOST pleased for anyone to step out of line again, he'll be rewarding them with multiple blades from multiple directions for adding more fuel to a fire that's already hot enough to be very, VERY uncomfortable for Kaiser's liking.
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    I'd guess that he will be telling his people to lay low for a bit, but if the Dockworkers actually do manage to stir up trouble, he will probably have to respond violently.

    Kaiser is in a very tenuous position right now. He has had two fairly public, unsanctioned attacks, back to back, which make it look like he is losing control of the Empire. Several of his grunts are apparently doing what they please, and even publically disrespecting him on camera. At this point, he can't afford to allow more insults to slide. If the Dockworkers attack some of his businesses, and he doesn't respond, it makes it look like he is backing down, and all of the other gangs will move in. Even if it does end up bringing more heat down on him, he will have to respond in someway, though it will probably be measured responses along the lines of "We have disiplined those that stepped out of line our way *cue showing the heads of those that messed up on pikes* However, we will not suffer attacks against us to go unchallenged."

    He'll try to de-escalate, basically, as much as he can without showing weakness.
     
    LordCirce said:
    I'd guess that he will be telling his people to lay low for a bit, but if the Dockworkers actually do manage to stir up trouble, he will probably have to respond violently.

    Kaiser is in a very tenuous position right now. He has had two fairly public, unsanctioned attacks, back to back, which make it look like he is losing control of the Empire. Several of his grunts are apparently doing what they please, and even publically disrespecting him on camera. At this point, he can't afford to allow more insults to slide. If the Dockworkers attack some of his businesses, and he doesn't respond, it makes it look like he is backing down, and all of the other gangs will move in. Even if it does end up bringing more heat down on him, he will have to respond in someway, though it will probably be measured responses along the lines of "We have disiplined those that stepped out of line our way *cue showing the heads of those that messed up on pikes* However, we will not suffer attacks against us to go unchallenged."

    He'll try to de-escalate, basically, as much as he can without showing weakness.
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    Bets on just how badly the whale shards manage to screw up this attorney at de-escalation? Cause honestly, this is the kind of tension and conflict that the shards just love. Isn't it?
     
    Iceflame55 said:
    As much as Kaiser might hate letting any insult go, I'd be willing to bet serious money that drive through won't even get a single hiss from ANY E-88 or those supporting them; Kaiser would make it clear he'd be MOST pleased for anyone to step out of line again, he'll be rewarding them with multiple blades from multiple directions for adding more fuel to a fire that's already hot enough to be very, VERY uncomfortable for Kaiser's liking.
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    Which could make ait an even juicier target for Coil goon's. They only need some guns and a couple of handmade explosives (easy for professional mercs) to create a panic and maybe finally starting the gang war he needs for his plans.
     
    A thought occurs.

    Think Kaiser, in an effort to appear more in control and replace the loss of Hookwolf, will strongarm Purity into coming back by threatening to sue for Aster?
     
    HavocKeeper said:
    He might. I think Purity will take a bit more convincing this time though, what just happened shows exactly what she hates about the Empire.
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    Purity: "This is exactly why I LEFT the Empire! After an atrocity like this you think I'll bring Aster ANYWHERE near the festering rebellious cesspool that is, possibly soon to be was, the Empire 88? Face it Max, the whole thing's coming apart at the seams! The rank and file do whatever they want as long as they're not being watched directly by you or those directly loyal to you. And on top of all that, people are shouting for the Protectorate to put a full court press on you, with rumors of the Triumvirate being called in to make a point. Nope, I'm staying FAR away from any Empire holdings for the foreseeable future, and so are those beholden to me."
     
    Ganurath said:
    A thought occurs.

    Think Kaiser, in an effort to appear more in control and replace the loss of Hookwolf, will strongarm Purity into coming back by threatening to sue for Aster?
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    now that someone brought it up, I can't really see Kaiser not pulling something like that.
    Purity coming back anything less than kicking and screaming wouldn't be believable though. Long term it's a terrible idea for Kaiser. That would be a seriously hard scene to write and keep both of them in character.
     
    Loving the story LD! It's a gripping divergence so far, many exciting things happening, both great and terrible.

    Ziel said:
    This is lovely. Things have gone truly off the rails, and I'm looking forward to further trainwrecks.
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    Silly Ziel, they haven't even mentioned the Merchants yet. :p You'll probably have to wait a few updates to see any sign of Trainwreck.
     
    Ganurath said:
    A thought occurs.

    Think Kaiser, in an effort to appear more in control and replace the loss of Hookwolf, will strongarm Purity into coming back by threatening to sue for Aster?
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    She might just kill him for that, this kind of thing would make anyone with half a brain see the hammer coming down, and he wants to bring her daughter into that? I would expect Purity to be looking at leaving the city, I doubt she wants to get involved in this train wreck.
     
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