New Dominion (Warcraft)

I would not exactly call the forest tribes blameless when it comes to their conflict with the Alliance. They did join the horde in their omnicidal rampage, and they have been in conflict with the human, dwarven and elven kingdoms for centuries.

There has been slaughter and killings on both sides, and the troll tribes don't precisely have the best history when it comes to commiting atrocities. They were enthusiatically taking part in all sorts of horrendous things during the Troll Wars, the Gurubashi conflicts and the 1st+2nd dark portal wars.
Sure, but I'd note in the initial WC2 manual the explicit reason the trolls joined the Horde is because Zul'jin feared the Alliance would enact a genocide on his people after they beat the Horde and the trolls were described as suffering generations of attrition at the hands of Elves, Dwarves and humans. Even as the lore has evolved, that was both tier starting point and the through line for the trolls, particularly those in central EK and the North, (The Gurubashi are kinda their own thing) the only major shift was in how much the trolls managed to hold onto as opposed to the dynamic being changed if that makes sense.

Was anything specific noted in the Troll Wars, I don't recall, though I'd note by or own standards using the magical equivalent of phosphorus on the Amani is not likely to make the humans look good either and the humans only helped the elves out for payment over any sense of right or wrong so.

As it, is, one of the reasons the Drakkari come off as maybe a bit more old fashioned or genteel compared to their cousins is that their ideals haven't been worn down by generations of attrition by outsiders. Its why Malakk thought it reasonable to send a diplomat to Lordaeron, while Arctikus was just like "No. They. Will. Kill. Him."

Not to say there haven't been wrongs on both sides, but I also do find both sidism to often times be unhelpful and broadly speaking, at least as far as I can tell, when trolls were the aggressors it was to take something they used to own back, while when elves, Dwarves or humans were the aggressors it was to take something from trolls.... Or Gnolls and Kobolds, you know, mobs XD

Granted a lot of this is cos the WOW writers clearly didn't think much about their decisions on some of this world building.
For instance describing Gnolls and Koblds as some of the "Threats" humanity faced when expanding into Tirisfal. Which despite their intent clearly establishes that the humans are the one's moving in and taking 'their' homes, and otherwise being the invaders, but cos the writer didn't care about the lives of mobs they just viewed it as an innate good for humanity to have done this. Which ends up leaving the world building looking rather skewed if that makes sense.
 
but I also do find both sidism to often times be unhelpful and broadly speaking, at least as far as I can tell, when trolls were the aggressors it was to take something they used to own back, while when elves, Dwarves or humans were the aggressors it was to take something from trolls.... Or Gnolls and Kobolds, you know, mobs XD

Granted a lot of this is cos the WOW writers clearly didn't think much about their decisions on some of this world building.
I'll admit that I'm likely puttig more thought into some of this than the original WoW/Warcraft team might have ^..^. 'Bothsidism' is unhelpful sometimes, but I also find it normally best to consider the reasons and justifications that both sides in any conflict might have.

There is no question that humans and dwarves were expansionist in claiming home territory for themselves, and while that is certainly partially due to the Warcraft team's adherence to 'mob' creation, it can also been seen as a consequence of their status as emergent species after the establishment of the troll kingdoms.

Humans and Dwarves and Gnomes didn't exist as fleshy races during the early days of Azeroth, and their expansion into other's territories seems an inevitable consequence as they freshly emerged and had to find living room among the territory of already pre-existing empires.

And from there the cycles of vengeance and violence kept things warlike.
 
I'll admit that I'm likely puttig more thought into some of this than the original WoW/Warcraft team might have ^..^.

'Bothsidism' is unhelpful sometimes, but I also find it normally best to consider the reasons and justifications that both sides in any conflict might have.

There is no question that humans and dwarves were expansionist in claiming home territory for themselves, and while that is certainly partially due to the Warcraft team's adherence to 'mob' creation, it can also been seen as a consequence of their status as emergent species after the establishment of the troll kingdoms.

Humans and Dwarves and Gnomes didn't exist as fleshy races during the early days of Azeroth, and their expansion into other's territories seems an inevitable consequence as they freshly emerged and had to find living room among the territory of already pre-existing empires.

And from there the cycles of vengeance and violence kept things warlike.
Probably XD The fact is, to me at least, it seems a lot of the implications of their world building decisions weren't thought through because they didn't deem those killed by the humans dwarves or elves 'people' enough to count on a morality scale. As a result, they presumed these groups have a moral right to kill them and take their lands, but naturally then when you think about that it become very screwed up. Especially when you compare it to a lot of ancient conquest in our own world which was more about taking over a population as opposed to extermination, with the latter viewed by most decent people as horrific acts, but we certainly don't see troll, Gnoll or Kobolds subjects, meaning even the 'nicest' historical parallels are still pretty horrifying. Which again, is heavily rooted in the writers not thinking about things, but that still leaves me with this as the setting to work with ya know?

That's definitely fair, and I'm willing to concede the initial conflict between the High Elves and the Amani Trolls was more even stevens than some of the later conflicts, but even then (Waves hand) It gets worse the longer it goes on and the more one thinks about it, at least for me.

The emergent species point is an interesting one and fairly true, though I'd note the Gnomes didn't go to war with anyone for territory despite having the tech to do so XD And even then that's not going to make the people killed or driven off their homes feel any better, ya know?

This is true, but I am always ambivalent about cycles of revenge that put the onus only on the victim to stop fighting back; the Elves could have at any point reached out to the Amani and tried diplomacy and doing so and failing would have made them look much better. But as noted, the writers don't consider the mob, or future mobs in the case of the Amani, as worthy of that kind of consideration and thus neither do the elves ETC.

Regardless, I do intend to take the consequences of the Drakkari's actions here seriously, even if its less horrific than killing everyone or driving them off the land they lived on all their lives its still gonna mess with people, and despite my sympathy for the Amani, I have some stuff outlined for them here and especially in the sequel that ensure this isn't just some troll power/revenge fantasy.
 
The emergent species point is an interesting one and fairly true, though I'd note the Gnomes didn't go to war with anyone for territory despite having the tech to do so XD And even then that's not going to make the people killed or driven off their homes feel any better, ya know?
I'm personally a bit curious as to how the actual conflict between Dwarves and Frostmane Trolls began, honestly. Because the lore for them seems fairly unusually jumpy and vague.
Post-awakening the dwarves of Uldaman established their underground citadels in Khaz Modan, and were reclusive and isolated, content to unlock the secrets of smithery and crafting below ground.
^This to me says that they were peaceful and isolationist for a thousand years or more (from -2,700 up until the establisment of the Kingdom of Ironforge in -1,500~ish), when suddenly they came into conflict with the Frostmane rulers of Dun Morogh, leading to their first surface kingdom and contact with humans.

This is to say that I can't actually find much lore on what or who kicked off the troll/dwarf war of Dun Morogh, as it seems the dwarves were entirely content to live as isolationists underground. Right up until they suddenly pushed outwards.
 
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This is true, but I am always ambivalent about cycles of revenge that put the onus only on the victim to stop fighting back; the Elves could have at any point reached out to the Amani and tried diplomacy and doing so and failing would have made them look much better.
I'm not one to argue about the Amani and the Elves, as that was truly a case of massive egos turning war into a merciless conflict.
 
I'm personally a bit curious as to how the actual conflict between Dwarves and Frostmane Trolls began, honestly. Because the lore for them seems fairly unusually jumpy and vague.
Post-awakening the dwarves of Uldaman established their underground citadels in Khaz Modan, and were reclusive and isolated, content to unlock the secrets of smithery and crafting below ground.
^This to me says that they were peaceful and isolationist for a thousand years or more (from -2,700 up until the establisment of the Kingdom of Ironforge in -1,500~ish), when suddenly they came into conflict with the Frostmane rulers of Dun Morogh, leading to their first surface kingdom and contact with humans.

This is to say that I can't actually find much lore on what or who kicked off the troll/dwarf war of Dun Morogh, as it seems the dwarves were entirely content to live as isolationists underground. Right up until they suddenly pushed outwards.
Honestly so little is given to explain it that its hard to say, the way its initially summarized is basically "Dwavres woke up, conquered Dun Morogh from the Frost Trolls".

The more recent version is as you say, the woke up, went elsewhere and lived underground, with no mention of the Frostmane, but the Frostmane are still clearly part of the lore and how exactly did they build all that without being notices and... so its just... A thing that happened at some point?

Even the exact timeline is kind of vague so all I can do is shrug really.
 
how exactly did they build all that without being notices and... so its just... A thing that happened at some point?
Well I mean... they were underground. XD.

As in entirely underground. The 'old ironforge' segments of the map, and the more recent dwarven lore from WoW, seems to suggest that the awoken dwarves travelled from uldaman to Dun Morogh entirely below the earth. Tunnelling and/or travelling via a vast network of underground caverns.
 
Well I mean... they were underground. XD.

As in entirely underground. The 'old ironforge' segments of the map, and the more recent dwarven lore from WoW, seems to suggest that the awoken dwarves travelled from uldaman to Dun Morogh entirely below the earth. Tunnelling and/or travelling via a vast network of underground caverns.
Huh that is pretty neat, though does that mean they subsisted entirely on mushrooms?

Whatever the case,


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The Invasion of Rohk'aka - Epilogue

The Invasion of Rohk'aka - Epilogue



A dozen images, a hundred whispers and a thousand thoughts vanquished in an instant with the cracking of glass.

Demetria's lips thinned as she gazed upon the results of her handiwork, 'My lord gifted that to me, I am loathed to waste his kindness.'

But it couldn't be helped, the creatures had seen to that and now she must see to her duties, no matter their ill tidings.

Flexing her fingers and uttering a prayer that could not be heard, the remnants of her orb were engulfed in shadow and with it any remnant of her foes essence was swallowed by reality's dark reflection and thus subsumed into nothingness.

Drawing in a breath, Demetria worked to steady herself in what was real and present. First glancing at the mirror to see her silver bangs and bun tidy, even as a subtle line of sweat gathered on her dark brow, high cheeks flushed and shadows under her eyes.

Casting her gaze across the well put together hotel room she had been awarded, she couldn't help but embrace that it was a marked improvement even from she and her escorts ornate travelling tent.

The sleek wood panels, scented with sandalwood and silk sheet bed were alone we such luxuries she would never have enjoyed without her lords aid, and his generosity was not restrained to his servants.

Gifts of gold and patronage were a polite consideration to the town they were raising their most recent host from her lord had said and Demetria agreed.

'Focus,' she reminded herself, pushing away from the desk and making for the door.

Corin's Crossing was a large town, in a generation it would likely be a city in its own right. occupying a well used trade route between Andorhol and Stratholme. Thus the people were used to much hustle, bustle and caravan visits. The streets were naturally crowded, even more than usual, thanks to the blue bannered camp that sat right outside their streets.

The people bore it with admirable aplomb, even if nerves might have been high, most took comfort in the sight of men and a few women donning armor, as the forges worked and food stores were pried open. Worry for the winter was in the air, as the dark cloud above let white snow speckle the street but it was not yet time to retreat inside.

Finally, Demetria came to the town hall, Lord Saidan Dathrohan's personal guards saluting as she passed through the door.

What awaited her was a compensable arrangement of paladins, priests, politicians and warriors, with only the redheaded Arcanist Doan disrupting the flow of Light Energy with his brimming Arcane essence.

Saidan turned to face her and she repressed a wince at the subtle bracing that flickered across his dark features, even as he tried to hide it, "My dear lady, Demetria, welcome."

Curtsying, Demetria answered, "My Lord, I truly regret that my presence has become a specter of ill omen."

Saidan stiffened and clutched his beer mug tightly, "Demetria, I assure you that though the tidings may not always be joyous, that I am ever buoyed that it is you I can trust to tell me what I must hear. Please, speak. What have you seen?"

She did not lick her lips or swallow or shift, no matter her discomfort and with a smooth, but authoritative tone she spoke.

"The Drakkari Empire's attack on the capital was a success. King Teranas the Wise was struck down with a cursed blade and the royal family has been captured."

The ensuing explosion was entirely expected.

The mayor, so recently joyful for his town would be re-supplied by Tyr's Hand dropped his wine glass to the floor.

"Impossible," Gasped, Alexandros Mograine, hands bracing on the table and mind awhirl with pained shadows.

Tirion Fordring slammed his palms against the wooden meeting table and shot to his feet but before he could speak Arcanist Doan snapped.

"You lie! Your dreams are no replacement for military intelligence!"

She resisted the urge to drawl and answered, "I was scrying on the capital."

Doan shot to his feet, "Dalaran would not have allowed this to happen, there are mages there who could have evacuated the royal family!"

"They were stymied," She countered simply, half eyeing how the young Brigitte Abbendis, the youthful redhead looked ready to strike Doan now that her shock was fading.

Doan made to shout when her lord placed his mug on the table with enough force all heard it, even if he did not slam, his mere presence enough to compel silence.

"That is enough Doan, difficult as it may be to hear, Demetria's otherworldly senses are not to be dismissed." He turned to face her again, "What can you tell us about the battle and the the royal family?"

Demetria bowed her head, "Much of the battle was obscured by spirits and magic, though I shall have a full report ready for you soon milord. As to the royal family," She sucked in a low breath.

"Their efforts to escape by magic seemed to suffer some form of sabotage, or so I assume. They sought a path out of the city with others through catacombs."

Alexandros nodded, voice tight, "There should be hidden docks they could use."

"Would that were the case lord Paladin, but the enemy was well prepared," She brushed silver hair from her brow. "Agents of these Drakkari slipped into the city through magic and guile; terrible spiders of gargantuan size and wit."

"Nerubians..." Doan whispered.

"The young prince and Elite guard put up a valiant fight, but when the Drakkari took the palace and sent their agents into the catacombs, the battle was lost. I believe they yet live, but my efforts to divine their location were... curbed."

"By these Nerubians, or by the Trolls gods?" Saiden asked matter-of-factly.

"The spiders milord, with their task done, they were able to turn their efforts against me. Dozens, hundreds, thousands of eyes and whispered, images and sensations, accursed feelers of mind and magic sought to destroy me. I am sorry milord, I had to destroy your gift to deny them."

"You made the right choice" Saiden said airily, his gaze hard and lost in thought.

Tirion finally spoke, "I must return home now, Mardenholde Keep is not safe and I cannot leave the guiding of a host to my lieutenants!"

Saiden repressed a scowl, "I will not countermand you my friend, nor would I deny you the right to protect your family, but we must proceed with caution."

'Unfortunately Tirion is not a cautious man, too ruled by his passions,' Demetria mused, but she did not speak, for all her talents this was not her place.

Tirion nodded gravely, "I shall not charge headlong into enemy fire if that is your fear, but nor can I ignore this or my duties at home. I shall leave immediately and fortify the Western Border."

Saiden did not agree, Demetria knew this, but he did not say so, merely answering, "Then I would offer you the winged hosts we have raised thus far. As many as I can spare, take with them what mages and elite forces and wise advisors you can to better prepare for what is to come."

"As you say," Tirion answers hastily, clasping arms with Saiden before racing out the door.

Saiden glanced at Brigitte, "Young Paladin, return to camp and take stock of things, we were not idling, but not we must be ready to move with greater haste. But speak not of this information to anyone. Yet."

Saluting, the redhead marched out the door, "As you wish, Lord Commander."

Turning to the other men, Saiden said, "Lord Mayor, I would ask that this revelation be kept quiet for the moment. The people must know but only once they have been adequately braced for such a reality."

The aging man nodded nervously, "If the assurances of imports from the Eastern Coast remain, that will at least... Soften the blow."

"We will not leave you and yours to starve. For now, please leave us," Saiden said, before turning his focus to Doan. "My friend, I need you to link with our other mages, use whatever supplies necessary to commune with Dalaran and tell them of what transpired, they may know more than use."

The arcanist bowed, "It will be done milord!"

Soon enough they were left alone with Alexandros who seemed lost in thought, but also quietly wary at the absence of all others save themselves.

"Lord Commander, what are my orders?"

Saiden measured his fellow Paladin for a moment before speaking, "You have been lost deep in thought brother. Is there something you wished to share with me?"

Alexandros still before his gaze drifted to Demetria who did not repress a chuckle. "My lord does not need me to keep him abreast of everything, especially the actions of his own fellows in the Order of the Silver Hand."

"Indeed," Saiden answered, bluntly adding, "Your secrets are your own, but I am an open minded Paladin and a commander who only seeks to protect this land and her people. If you have something that can help with this, whatever it may be..."

"I do," Alexandros whispered, gazing at his ruined hand, "I will ride home and retrieve it immediately."

"Good," Saiden said with a crisp nod, "Join us in Stratholme, Baron Rivendare has been far too slow to raise his host."

"Not in the South?" Alexandros asked quietly.

"Our forces will be moving South to join the hosts are being raised by the Barov, Fording and more. It is there a bulwark shall be made, joining with camps and raiding forces of knights already in motion, though I would see them soon returned to Eastweld that we might fortify ourselves foremost. Still," he added idly.

"As the most populated city besides the capital, it may be these Drakkari's next target. And unlike Tyr's Hand and the good folk of New Avalon, I cannot say for sure if the merchants and lords so far from this war will understand its gravity. Not if all I have heard thus far is anything to go by."

Alexandros nodded, "I see, thank you Lord Commander, I leave you now and shall return with the item well in hand."

"Safe travels my friend," Saiden intoned as he watched his fellow Paladin race out the door.

Only then did he let his shoulders slack and his voice show its age, "This is a disaster," a hand ran through his long grey locks. "We do not even know if the Royals are alive, let alone the people of the city and with King Teranas and so many of the generals gone..."

"The line of command are frayed, but this shall not stop you milord; I need not the gift of prophecy to know you shan't lead us astray."

The man offered her a wane smile, "Let us hope that prediction is as accurate as your others," His smile faded. "And let us pray for those in the capital and beyond, for until we march it is all we can offer them."

"May the Light preserve them," She intoned.


The scent of broken mortar, smoke, and the tang of salt suffused Lianne's senses. Charcoal tainted her tongue and copper seemed to burn in her throat.

Yet the queens expression beget nothing. A regal mask of neutrality, even as she held Calia close, running a hand through her hair as they walked through the palace halls surrounded by giant trolls, who had to shuffle lest they leave their prisoners behind.

Her other hand held an unconscious Arthas's, the brave boy had fought his damndest only to be ultimately felled, and Lianne was unsure if she should be relieved or terrified that he still lived.

'If I can convince them to just use me and hold them as bargaining chips, it could work or maybe…'

The trolls had taken her poison infused ring when they and their monstrous beasts pulled her from the tunnels. But if she moved quickly enough… Could she spare them? Could she take that act? Would it even matter when the trolls had priests of their own?

Callia let out a weak sniffle and Lianne pressed her lips to her daughter's head, "Brave girl, mother loves you," she whispered.

Lianne's focus was stolen away when she realized the trolls were not lost within the palace but instead not taking them to the throne room but instead… the Royal Records Room?

The well-worn door swung open and the lead troll in robes squatted to slip through while the red armored one motioned them after her, Arthas hanging limply in his arms.

Swallowing, Lianne guided Callia forward and found the distant sounds of breaking rubble and drums fading to the sound of shuffled papers and muttering in many tongues she did not know.

Her attention was drawn to the tallest creature she had ever seen, bedecked in dark blue and white robes of odd design, and adorned with a crown of crystalized ice and feathers. Just as he loomed over the his kin, so too did he stand much taller than the oak shelves that filled the chamber like a maze.

He seemed blissfully unaware of how out of place he was, talking at a nervous looking junior phage.

"This is the most recent census, and it includes projected military drafts, correct?"

The brunette swallowed and nodded, "y- Yes, it was gathered on the winter solstice last year; doing… Doing so then ensures we have a more accurate gauge as most stay within their villages and cities with little travel."

The robed troll who led them here slammed their chest, "Frost King Malakk, we present you the Royal Family or Lordaeron, Queen Lianne, Princess Callia and Prince Arthas."

The phage wilted under Lianne's sharp gaze before shrugging helplessly and slinking away as quickly as he could.

The troll king sighed and turned to face them, his expression odd to her, even for the trolls.

Orange eyes met grey and she steeled herself, hands grasping her children tight as she moved to speak.

Only to be interrupted.

"Why's the small one unconscious?" he rumbled.

Their captors shared an awkward chuckle before the fiery red head said, "Had a mean swing on him and you said to take them alive. Sos'tha lost half his tusk in the scuffle for that."

"Hmm, send him to get it regrown or a prosthetic with my thanks."

"Thank you sire!" the aforementioned troll called from somewhere outside the chamber, before marching off grumbling in his own sibilant tongue.

His gaze had not broken from hers for even a moment, nor had his tone dipped or shifted, there was but a moment of silence and she capitalized on it.

"My children, they are young, innocent and of more use to you alive and unharmed."

The troll's brow arched, is mouth clicking as he made a vague slashing motion with his hand; for a moment she feared a blade strike but nothing came as the troll leaned back and spoke oddly gently.

"Did you or your children take part in the death of my friend and Speaker, Malaka'raz?"

Lianne stopped short, the name unknown, the terms unfamiliar the questions complete nonsense to her ears, "I do not understand."

The troll huffed and waved a record of an Alliance council between them. "I saw no sign of your presence in the meeting where his fate was decided, so I supposed not. If so, then you and your children have nothing more to fear from me. Were circumstances different," he motioned vaguely as if releasing a dove from his hand, "I would release you, but the situation is too volatile for that, thus you will be my prisoners, but treated as my guests."

He looked to his guards, "This will have been hard on them, escort the family to their chambers, if they wish to stay together, let them and have a priest or two of their church sent to care for their wounds."

His gaze snapped back to her once again, "You and I shall have much to discuss, but not now, go, rest and care for your children."

Lianne could not believe it, did not believe it, even as she followed their escorts offering only clipped directions to her children's chambers, the grip terror held on her heart did not abate.

'Just what does he plan to do with us? When will the axe fall? How can we escape?'


'That queen has a strong will, she may prove a great aid, or a painful hindrance in the coming days,' Malakk mused.

Turning away from the doors and directing his attention back at the one of many maps of the nation and its neighbors laid out around him with forts, postal stations, borders and more marked down, gut aching at the sight.

He heard Arctikus saunter into the room, spear tapping against the stone, "The last city block has surrendered completely. It will still be some time before we collect the weapons and sort our affairs however."

"That is to be expected, and the church?" He asked, not taking his gaze away from the maps and census sheets, mind racing.

"Many civilians fled there, along with some soldiers and members of their priesthood. But it was surrounded before they gathered in enough number to make it a bastion of resistance. Grand Prophet Gal'Darah is still in talks with the Archbishop. The old man stood upon the steps and demands his life be the first taken 'if we still sought to slake our bloodlust'," she hissed.

Malakk clicked, "It would be best if we resolved things with the Church peacefully, they may be useful, nay, necessary…"

Sensing his discontent, the Great Mother marched up to his side and looked up at him, "What troubles you, my liege?"

He glanced down at her, showing her the sheets that gave birth to these new anxieties, his mind as weary as his body.

"I believe we… Underestimated the scale of this nation and their allies."

Her brow rose, "You fear we may fail?"

Malakk chuckled without humor, "That was always a possibility. No, these thoughts come to me now for even with all your tribe has suffered, all the rumors of wars and loss... I did not truly understand just how much they had taken from you or the other tribes. I thought this place perhaps something like what you described in the mountains... Not this," he said, gesturing at the map that signified Lordaeron's rule, stretching from the Eastern to the Eastern Coast of the continent.

Arctikus clutched her damaged spear tightly, "This one can only offer her apologies, Frost King Malakk-"

"You spent little time here, you did not know," He said airily, "But Zul'jin, I wonder now how much he has, and why my Speaker did not notice this?"

Arctikus's tone was soft, "The other tribes would hardly want to announce their weakness; even we did not until we had lost everything and your Speaker kept mostly to the city, yes?"

Malakk huffed in affirmation, mind still occupied by the numbers on the page.

"Maybe if we had called for aid sooner this never would have happened," She shook her head, "But their numbers... They concern you?"

Malakk nodded, "Somewhat, or more, their ability to procure more concerns me." He sighed, gaze trailing along the many maps, eyes heavy.

"I sought a swift war, one where we could strike down our foes leaders and crush their military strength, but it seems I underestimated the enormity of this task," he said, motioning to the maps.

"For while they may fracture when bereft of their kings and armies it is not a certain thing, and even if they did they would likely rally much faster than expected. But worse," He traced a finger along a wall hanging map. "These humans spread so wide, with so many population centers, has this Stratholme and Tyr's Hand been here too, this war could be done. But they are so much larger than I thought them to be on the maps, and this is just this nation."

"What would you have us do then, Frost King Malakk?" She asked, saluting.

Malakk's mind whirled but he already could see the few paths remaining to him; rising to his full height he spoke sharply and with the authority of a king making his proclamations known.

"First we must finish securing this city, put workers on the walls and fortify our position." He began counting off on his fingers.

"Then we must ensure our secret project is ready before those in the East marshal their armies and march upon us.

His hand closed into a fist, "And finally, we must summon my advisors, as many as we can, as swiftly as we can."

He turned and marched from the chamber, "We have much to discuss."


The Holy Temple of Lordaeron was a grand place, pristine walls of white marble and grand pillars. With ever blooming vines stretching along the walls and stained glass windows shining a rainbow of hues across the pews. While a shining array of polished braziers cast the temple dais in a perfect halo of light.

The temple, normally pristine if somewhat bustling with quiet and contemplative activity or hushed politics was now crowded. Some were injured, others were lost, or mourning or simply too afraid to leave and return to streets still marched by victorious trolls.

Alonsus Faol was not a young man and he had seen his fair share of conflict even before the Second War. But truly he had hoped to see through the rest of his life without witnessing another war.

Unfortunately, fate was against him as well as the people of Lordaeron and within a few weeks the capital itself had been torn open by invaders; now trolls and unfamiliar beast creatures roamed the streets.

As was to be expected in hard times people had come seeking the sanctity and protection of the Church, a reality their foes had unfortunately accounted for, leaving the temple surrounded early into the battle and lost as a potential fallback point for the army.

'The only saving grace is they are more civilized than orcs,' Alonsus thought, recalling the blunt but surprisingly considerate terms that allowed those already seeking refuge to remain so long as they did not raise arms to strike at the 'Drakkari'.

'But now they may be letting the other strike fall,' he mused, wondering why had had been called for again so soon as he straightened his dark blue robes, fixed his silver collars and ensured he was as dignified as befit his station.

'I refuse to be anything less when my flock needs me at my best,' he resolved, marching through the grand doors to stand before a robed troll with bright pink hair. Adorned in a fine kilt and ornately armored tunic of brown and purples, lined with a sturdy bronze.

The troll was not the tallest of his kind but was still a giant and had seemingly taken that into consideration, choosing to stand several steps down to ensure their different in height was not so obvious as to force Alonsus to crane his neck skywards.

"Grand Prophet, Gal'Darah," He intoned respectfully, always respectfully, it was a holy tenant after all.

The troll grinned but it did not 'seem' mocking as he offered a bow, "Archbishop Alonsus, this one thanks you for your time this evening."

"I can only assume it was important if you asked me from my flock," he said.

"Indeed it is," Gal'Darah said grimly, "Our priests and Shaman are doing what they can to tend to the wounded caught up in the fighting. However, some are proving rather... Difficult."

Alonsus blinked owlishly, "You are tending to them?" There were tenants of the light that demanded such, even if some fell short of this ethos, many more did not and compassion, even to one's enemies was a core tenant of the Holy Light.

"We are trying to," Gal'Darah said with an almost lyrical vexation, "Some refuse or fight or make matters worse on their own. Thus, it was hoped that you would be willing to render your assistance."

"I would naturally do just that, however," he intoned gravely, "One could assume this a trick to lessen the priests in the temple without fighting."

"One could but they would be wrong," The troll answered. "If it would assuage your concerns we can simply bring the obstinate one's to you, though some may injure themselves in the interim."

Clasping his hands and sucking in a breath, Alonsus said, "I have your word as a holy man of your people, who tends to the wounded, the land and spirit of a nation that this is no deception or trick?"

Gal'Darah stood just a little taller at that, more alert, before drawing a dagger from his belt and cutting his hand so deeply blood flowed as if from a glass. "I offer an oath, on my honor as the Prophet of Akali that this is no trick, Archbishop."

A moment later the blood vanished in a sparkling wave and the troll bared his hand to show no sign of his wound, "My Loa is pleased, you see?"

Nodding slowly, Alonsus said, "Very well, I shall need to assure my followers and then we may go."

'That' ensuing discussion had been more than a little difficult, especially among the flock. But soon enough Alonsus Faol stepped out of the Church only to find Gal'Darah in a hissed debate with another troll.

"Do you realize to act as such would make this one look deceptive?"

Alonsus did not speak the trollish tongue and so did not know what the other said back in their sibilant, blocky tones.

They bickered back and forth for a few moments, before Gal'Darah turned to face him, frowning, "Archbishop, I have been called away by duties demands. But be assured, that those who remain to escort you can be trusted."

Alonsus remained silent for a moment, the debate on whether to trust the word of one troll in the name of others instead of their own weighed against the simple fact that if people needed to be healed he had a duty to tend to them.

It was a very swift thought, "Very well Grand Prophet, I shall trust you in this matter."

Gal'Darah blinked owlishly, before sighing, "You are to be commended, Archbishop," He offered a grand bow, "May we speak again soon on happier topics."


In a move both necessary and poetic, the War Room of Lordaeron's Palace had been claimed for this meeting.

Yet none gathered within the massive chamber of smooth stone, high ceilings and ornate maps could truly appreciate such a setting.

Malakk stood with his hands clasped behind his back looking over the map of Lordaeron, his foes had not the time to even re-order with their attack. Forces laid out within the city reflecting only a moderate portion of the tokens marshalling in the East and South.

Gathered around the too low table stood advisors, Drakkari like Gal'Darah, Arctikus and Chief Rageclaw, as well we foreign aids, like Halazhi and Ixit. All looked upon the map in contemplation, the wear and tear of battle still noticeable, be in in the cracked armor of war-lord Zol'Maz or the debris and dust clinging to the robes of Speaker Zala'Raz.

Of those present on Zol'Maz spoke, his tone sharp and sibilant, "This war was folly from the outset. Would that we see a rival king dead, then we would have been better served to send shadowy assassins than an army."

Arctikus rapped her knuckles on the low table, "You misspeak, for even were we to neglect the execution of noble Malaka'Raz, the lands of the Frostmane are still held, our dead still rotting in the snow."

Zol'maz's fangs snapped together, "You have new, better lands, in your ancestral home, while the dead reside with the Loa. The matter is done!"

Arctikue looked ready to throttle the taller troll, but few would notice Chief Rageclaw's tail pressing against her leg as if a reminder of restraint and quiet support.

Quet'lith had less such restraint and snarled at the older troll, "Mind your tongue."

"I shall mind nothing, I cannot be dismissed as some coward, I joined the fray and lost loyal retainers for this war. Now I tell you this, we must sew for peace with the Alliance and return home, forgetting this wretched place ever existed!"

"Peace," Malakk scoffed, turning away from the table. "I tried to sew for peace, and the Alliance proved themselves incapable of such decency when they tortured and executed my Speaker. An act so barbaric I could not even conceiver of it!"

He whirled around, and drove his Ice-Claws into the table, piercing the capital city. "I saw to it there could be no peace they would even feign to when I took Teranas's head from his body!"

Zol'Maz stiffened, as if expecting to defend himself before snarling, "Which was a mistake, your oaths should not guide an empire-"

"This war was supported and endorsed, Zol'Maz," Gal'Darah snapped, his wand resounding on the table firmly.

"And as ever there was a contingent in protest," Zol'Maz countered, "Now it is time to heed our wisdom and end this conflict!"

"End!?" Actikus scoffed, "It never ends, war-lord. No victory is ever enough for them, toppling our capital was not enough for them, driving us from our farms was not enough for them, our clinging to life in mountain crags and a simple valley were not enough of a victory for them!"

A harsh, chaotic clicking sound resounded as Ixit croaked out, "They would follow and would seek vengeance, as well as to weaken a rival state that can threaten their own, as you do."

"I-" Zol'Max tried to rally but Malakk spoke first.

"Enough! What is done is done, the war declared, Speaker and kings lay dead; offer a tenable solution or merely gift us with your silence Zol'Maz."

Silence lingered for a time, after which redhead answered, "We have their royal family."

"A royal family," Hala'zhi whispered, earning a glare from the taller troll.

"A fine lot of aid you were, leading us into this quagmire," Hissed Zol'Maz.

The War Priest bowed, "No deception was intended, but we do not keep a census of every human settlement, least of all those deeper to the South."

"Blame helps nothing," Rageclaw said swiftly, "Royals, hostage or trade?"

Malakk clicked, rubbing his chin, "It is hard to say, their presence gives more incentive to attack, but the Alliance has proven unable to be negotiated with in civilized terms, so no agreement with them can be trusted."

"Then let us table that," Gal'Darah offered with a light tap, "The question is not can we avoid further confrontation, but how can we best succeed?"

"Such confidence," Sneered Zol'Maz.

Gal'Darah smirked, "All faith must be tested."

"Enough," Malakk said with a low irritated hum, "Quetz'Lith, your musings?"

The Sky Sovereign looked upon the map and tilted her head, brows knitted together. "An efficient solution would be to torch the fields and claim the farms. Then launch a campaign such as this again from a new location before the fires are done until their stocks are so weakened they would take decades to pursue us."

Hala'zhi perked up at that, "Such a plan would ensure the Alliance doe snot simply begin venting their vexation on your cousins and friends, Frost King Malakk."

"And would render me dishonorable to the last and likely bring a curse down upon our number."

That seemed to leave the Forest Troll looking contemplative, while Arctikus said, "Such things can be balanced, wild fires would stall the enemy for a time, even with their magic."

"This is winter however, even magical flames can be quashed," Zol'Maz noted, and quickly added. "If we wished to make a hard campaign for them, luring them into enemy territory may be ideal. Our supply lines cannot support more than maybe a third of the Five Hundred Legions of Zul'Drak, but at home, we could wear them down."

"This sounds like another excuse to leave," Gal'Darah sniped, leaning across the table.

"Not at all," Countered the troll with forced neutrality. "We would meet them on the coasts, after fortifying them and wear the enemy down, the Amani, if Loa and Gods willing, may even strike them from behind. It would be safer than a campaign across the seas."

"This presumed they don't march on my tribe to ensure we cannot aid you," offered the War Priest with delicate tones, before sending a side glance to the Frost King. "I know well the Shadowglen are already reclaiming Zul'Ashar and our enemies have never been moderate when they choose to strike.

"That is also a lot of coast to defend," Moorabi observed carefully, having spoken for the first time since arriving, from his perch along the roof beams.

"And few welcome those that bring war to their lands," Ixit mussed suddenly, their sudden interjection making several resist the urge to rear back.

"Indeed," Zol'Maz said, chest swelling, "We would have much support, the Rageclaws's efforts too would pay dividends."

Malakk however frowned, "That is not what I think you mean Seer Iixit."

The Nerubian was silent for a moment before clicking, and whispering, "The future is uncertain, we can say some would resist the interlopers, but others would lay blame."

"And," Malakk stressed, hand resting over his sharp gaze, "We know Grizzlemaw would aid invaders against us with joy. While their human satraps would likely welcome the power of their cousins."

Rageclaw's paws patted the table, "Jintha'kalar would be a first target, Less secure than Zul'Drak."

And lousy with potential co-conspirators given that city's Royal Family had been among the most resistant to rejoining and sympathizers still...

Malakk tapped the table sharply, "Allies... We need allies."

Arctikus arched her brow, "Like the Amani or the Orcs?"

Malakk chuckled, his tone growing in haste, "Like collaborators and conspirators! Yes, yes, word must be sent to the Amani to discuss potential terms, and orders to Hooktusk to secure the Shadowglenn's support through any means she deems acceptable. But look upon this lands, so vast and varied, you cannot tell me there are none who would not benefit from the known orders being shaken to their knees."

Speaker Zala'Raz clicked his tongue, "I have heard tell of the Gnolls in this land and of many rogue Ogre Tribes too, but I think you are meaning the humans yes?"

"All of them, but yes indeed, my Speaker," The Frost King cheered. "Even mercenary companies are something to consider now if Lordaeron's treasury has worth."

Zol'Maz scowled, "You said the humans too dishonorable to treat with?"

"As a whole? yes," Malakk said bluntly, "They are too strong to be forced to hold to their bargains lest they truly wish to, but a few Great Houses, some ambitious merchants and warriors?" A which smirk spread across his handsome features, "After all, you can always trust a traitor to look out for their best interests."

Malakk traced lines along the map, "Even if it does not secure us this land forever, it will give us more time to prepare our neighbors and fortify the Homefront than if we just press on like this or leave. It could open up new avenues of supplies and weaken our foes by turning them against each other."

QuetzLith was smirking, viciously, "If we have the Shadowglen we can use their turtles to help claim the nearby Lake and stop reinforcements by that route, force them to face us in killing fields we control."

"Another fine point," Malakk mused.

Hala'zhi offered a swift bow, "Honesty demands I inform you my emperor may wish for your aid against the elves in return for war on the humans."

"That may be necessary regardless," Malakk said growing more somber, "Many Alliance leaders gave voice to the order of death and one hailed from Quel'Thalas. I shall determine their guilt in time, but for now we must explore all options."

Rageclaw patted the table, "The Rageclaw can begin seeking allies."

"Indeed," Malakk intoned, "I want our scholars picking apart every scrap of history, merchants and noble houses to determine who best to turn to our sides or even simply guide into neutrality. Explorers and agents can seek out those displaced by humans and... Yes, the camps, those Orcs proved their mettle in battle. Let us see how far these Orcish Legions can go, hm?"

There were a dozen Internment Camps marked along the map of Trisifal alone.

Zol'Maz was scowling but added, "If we are to try dragging this conflict out to bloody our foes, then we should send raiding parties and saboteurs to the East to stymie our foes."

"A worthwhile point," Malakk mused, before glancing to Seer Ixit who nodded and spoke in raspy tones.

"We shall continue to aid you, for now, but we must commune with the empire to determine out future in this war."

"I thank you for all your aid so far, you have done much for us, Seer Ixit," Malakk then looked to the table and clapped. "We have the beginnings of a plan. I shall leave you all to discuss this, as I must speak with Zala'Raz and tend to another task."

Each saluted, and Moorabi finally jumped down from the ceiling to join them, "Hail Frost King, we shall not fail you."

With an affirming nod, the king marched from the magically silenced chamber with his Speaker in toe.

Only when the doors closed, did Zala'Raz speak, their youthful voice firm but light, "My liege, when you spoke of us being perhaps unable to hold this land forever. That, to this one, tells that you think we could?"

Malakk looked down at their youthful speaker and nodded, speaking quietly, "Perhaps so, Zala'Raz." Clapping the younger troll on the shoulder he added, "Come, let us find our new attaché and then see what the Morning brings."


The clouds that had subsumed the city in the grips of battle had departed, and despite the Winter chill, the mid morning sun shone brightly, with not a cloud in the sky. As if something divine had cast them aside to offer light to the city of Lordaeron in the wake battle.

Before the royal palace, people were gathering.

The crowd was neither large nor small given the size of the city. Many hiding away in attics and basements when the proclamation to assemble was let loose and those who hid were left to do so.

But others, perhaps fearing reprisal, or simply desiring the truth trekked to the steps of the capital palace. Sill, their eyes were wide and wary at the sight of trolls atop rooftops and arrayed on the streets in strict and regiments legions that would have done any Alliance drill commander proud.

Standing at the top of the steps was a troll, lean of frame and sharp of feature save for his small, rounded tusks, with long white hair slicked back like a wet mane. Adorning his frame were robes of sparkling gold, blue and silver, in his hands, he grasped a strange idol, akin to a small wand layered in runes and studded with an emerald jewel.

He brought the idol to his mouth and began to speak, his voice calm and measured, nearly soothing as it wafted over Lordaeron's capital.

"People of Lordaeron, I thank you for your presence and assure all of your safety in our presence, for it has been promised and assured by our leader, Frost King Malakk, arbiter of Justice and Uniter of Empires."

He strode across the marble white stone, his movements fluid and open, neither sharp nor stern even as his voice washed over the streets like gentle thunder.

"You show great courage and patience with your presence here; I understand this must have been frightful given the past day. We asked for your presence but did not demand it, that you might understand why we have brought woe upon your lands."

He was quiet for a moment, his tone shifting ever so slightly into something firmer but by no means harsh.

"I assure you it was neither bloodlust nor greed that caused us to raise steel and lose lives so far from our beloved home, but instead our peerless sense of justice and honor."

His voice began to grow louder even as his tone slowed.

"Some years prior, in the closing days of the Second War a tribe of our kindred, the Frostmane of what you call Khaz Modan sought to reclaim but a fraction of land they had once held as their domain unchallenged. They thought the Dwarves too distant and too few to care for but a single valley, but ever did they underestimate their ancient invaders pride and fury."

His movements began to grow sharper, the idol pulsing with energy.

"Their builders made no war upon the Dwarves but were slaughtered without mercy, butchered and massacred! Their village leaders head placed on a pike that his mother might see it and weep! But this was no warning, instead, it was a promise of a genocide to come and so the Frostmane fled to us, losing friends, family, babes alike to the steel of those who hunted them."

He turned to face the largest mass of crowd standing at the steps, both hands clasping the idol as he spoke measuredly.

"Our Frost King Malakk welcomed them and though they were now his subjects, in his infinite sense of fairness and justice he sought to resolve this with words and not blades. Thus, he sent to your grand Alliance my predecessor, Speaker_Malaka'raz."

They held for a moment, beckoning for a hush among the Drakkari audience members who thumped their chests in salute and commemoration.

"He could not have been mistaken for some raider, nor would he have acted as one! He walked peacefully upon your lands, arriving quietly in robes of gold, ready and willing to speak! But what greeted him was capture, torture and a merciless execution!"

Lurching back as if struck he clutched at his heart and called out, "His head was sent to our lieges' home as a warning, agony tore at his soul, pain and heartache that was echoed across our land for such a cruel fate!"

Halting their theatrics, the Speaker leaned forward, almost conspiratorially as he spoke, voice still carried across the winds as clear as a winter chill.

"Thus, we have now come, at last to avenge his fall upon those who committed the crime and those that would defend them. We come here seeking justice, not plunder or your pain, merely to balance the scales! All those who do not raise steel or spell, or prayer against us shall be left be. Already the people of North-Port and beyond return to their lives with their homes and families unharmed and un-harried."

He moved forward as if to go down the steps.

"We come here seeking justice against those who ordered unjust death and those that would defend them. Your homes, your churches, your way of life shall suffer not for the Frost King and Drakkari Empire welcome all who deal in honor and fairness."

He pointed to the crowd and proclaimed his voice grandly.

"I stand here now in a position I neither sought nor desired so young, thanks to the loss of my mentor and friends. I am Zala'Raz, Speaker of our leader, Frost King Malakk, I share his words, my voice is his voice."

He gestured above him to the royal balcony where a great troll stood, towering over his kindred, a crown of ice and vibrant feathers adorning his head and flowing robes of blue, gold and white, fit for any king, his tattooed arms held wide as if to embrace the land and people before him.

"I stand here to proclaim that while the city's rulers have fallen, that Lordaeron will survive, that you the people shall live freely and safely as members of the Drakkari Empire, thus proclaims Frost King Malakk!"

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Notes:
I always quite liked what I read of Saiden before he died and Demetria is such a cool concept, the chance to explore them even a little wasn't one I wanted to pass up. Their scene also served, I hope, to convey what Eastweld's been getting up to so far, as well as setting certain things into motion or otherwise laying groundwork.

Sorry to anyone expecting a lot of focus on Arthas for this segment, but I found myself drawn most to Lianne due to her unique position in these circumstances, coupled with Arthas's youth and Calia's personality, yeah, it had to be her for what I am doing.

And the other shoe drops, yeah suffice to day given stylized maps were still in vogue in WOW well after this point in history and the fact the Frostmane have no reason to know Lordaeron's population and even the Amani wouldn't necessarily have the scale down pat. Well, the Drakkari wandered into something bigger and more to the point, spread out than they were prepared for.

One of the fun things about this story is writing interactions that never would or could be in canon, or even just concepts that seem little explored. Like the similarity in roles between the various priest classes among trolls and humans for example, the Night Elves Sisterhood has its own unique place to me and doesn't have quite the one to one ratio. Meanwhile religion and religious figures in organized hierarchies with similar duties really do seem to be a cross culture thing for many troll and human societies, so its fun to try and see people who are peers engaging, with circumstances or cultural bias creating unique undertones.



"Allies... We need allies." is a direct quote from Rise of the Horde, I love tat book. Anyway, I hope I was able to explore and justify the strategic decisions going on here.

A big part of the Drakkari's motivations, beyond even the various oaths is that to them, the act of killing a Speaker is legitimately so dishonorable and vile it colors their entire perception on alliance Politics and as a result makes negotiating as peers seem entirely pointless, a stance encouraged by those like the Frostmane and Amani who have suffered generations of attrition at their foes hands. Zol'Maz actually has a lot of good points, though unlike a wise commenter, he's undercut by the fact his motives are ultimately less strategic and more a desire to return to the status quo and everyone knows it.

Whatever the case, I hope I made the debate seem worthwhile, as well as hinting at certain differences in morality, while justifying the decisions made. This is a tricky and tenuous position for the Drakkari and if they get no local support, heading home fast as hell is indeed the best option and remains a good one regardless of shifts in circumstances. Still, smaller and less well supplied forces have brought great enemies to their knees before, Alexander the Great and the Mongols for instance, so I'd not count the Drakkari out yet.

Pretty much this entire chapter was born from the feedback and predictions others had made, giving me cause to better explain and contextualize these things and make the cast feel more involved. Seriously the original was just the Lianne scene, the Arctikus scene and the speech; so thanks o everyone who has commented to far and I hope to hear from you again soon!
 
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Finally getting around to reading this after having it bookmarked for a while, I'm interested in the story but I also have some thoughts on the below so I'll get to that eventually
Thanks for taking the time to read the story, I am glad to hear you find it interesting!

That's fair, I know it might be something of an odd/controversial stance.
 
Editing the next chapter may take some time as I'm revising a fair bit of the next three chapters to ensure this all lines up smoothly as well as expanding on and adding more content.

Anyway, in the interim I had some musings about alternate paths, the first being inspired by @GhostKing 666 and their rather solid points on how returning home would have been a good strategic decision. As noted I like to think I contextualized the Drakkari's motives for not doing so effectively, but I can't deny the idea stuck with me a fair bit, so here's some general ideas on how that might go.


Having more or less accomplished a fairly solid chunk of their main goals in Lordaeron and seeing the Alliance as a great threat, the Drakkari do opt to call back their fleet and return home, though not before 'Shadow Fang' is reduced to rubble by Hooktusk and the dragons as a thank you.

Rather than just leaving though they do still want to weaken the Alliance and Lordaeron as a whole, this was a big part of their goal after all and thus take magical artifacts, gold, records, military rations (But not civilian food stocks) and also several high level political prisoners with them.

Basically, Lordaeron lost its king, its capital is weaker than its ever been, truck loads of gold and magical lore, as well as multiple high priority political targets and military food stocks even before we account for multiple destroyed docks, guard towers and more, meaning pursuit will be argued over a fair bit, at least insofar as Lordaeron is concerned.

The Drakkari have sent word to the Amani ahead of time, who fortify their position and ready their fleet just in case, but they are deemed largely irrelevant, meanwhile the Orc Legionaries might stay behind, well equipped to liberate their kin and serve as another hindrance to the Alliance. The royal family and other royal hostages are unsurprisingly not thrilled and rather freaked out but get mostly nice quarters and left tot heir own devices if they don't cause problems unless being asked questions about politics or religion and culture.

Fortifying Northrend is 'hard' but some of the Alliances biases would also play against them here, as they'd be unlikely to seek out the Furbolg as allies and would aim for known ports like Dragonblight's coast over travelling deeper into northern waters. The Drakkari likely spend no small amount f time leaving behind stuff like sea mines, angry storm and sea spirits set to go off and further fortify Howling Fjord with coastal cannon towers and such so their ships can come in and our to skirmish with Alliance forces. Meanwhile Dragonblight is geared for ambushes and raiding, while the Grizzly Hills is largely left alone but the Drakkari do manage to purchase Blood Moon Island and station dragoons and such there to at least ensure if the Alliance does come there they know and it will be a challenge.

The main question among the Drakkari is whether to bother dewing for peace, whether to trust such peace and how to redress other issues like the Frostmane's losses. Meanwhile their military goal is basically weak the Alliance down leaning on Northernd's harsh weather to batter and exhaust them before even engaging in skirmishing and ambushes, they probably station multiple Legions at Jintha'Kalar.

The Alliance meanwhile wants to basically obliterate the Drakkari nation so they may never rise as a single people again, or maybe at all, retrieve the royal family and other hostages as well as establish some temporary colonies that might evolve with time. They likely head for Dragonblight first, but circumstances may force them further West to attain a more stable position, but that would mean more marching and longer campaigns.

Their military strategy is trickier to guess but I am thinking the smarter among them do want to emphasize military intelligence first and so avoid just rushing in, and efforts are made to organize specialist retrieval teams with Dalaran to infiltrates' and reclaim the royals, cos without that the war is constantly at risk of the Drakari just deciding to off them and create a succession crisis.

Adding to this though are the troubles at home, low money, low morale, ogres, Gnolls and the Syndicate, plus Orcs and more raiding read lines, farm lands and more. Lordaeron likely feels like its being picked apart, so much of the fighting is probably being done by Kul'Tiras, Ironforge and Stromgarde, but in the latter case this may well leave them so exposed the capital falls like canon. Meanwhile Gilneas is always scheming.

Conclusion:
Now you might think holding out would win the day for the Drakkari, but as Malakk noted, the Alliance has a lot of land and people to pull from; so they can likely persist in this war for sometime, however by the same token actually getting into Zul'Drak in any major number is a nightmare.

Meanwhile the royal hostages question lingers cos even if they do return some or all of them,t he Drakkari feel there's no guarantee the Alliance can be trusted and they lose leverage. But learning what they do of Lordaeron culture only makes this harder. Lianne is Queen Mother, not queen by blood, so she's less useful than her kids politically speaking. Callia being returned could lead Lordaeron to cool off and focus on internal politics for a bit, but again, they may deem her as worth less than Arthas and act accordingly. Meanwhile Arthas is gonna be 100% for war continuing so any agreement is shaky at best. Plus none of this addresses the other nations.

Also while not involved I imagine the High Elves might at least agree to ensure the Amani don't sail to aid the Drakkari, though this may compel Zul'jin to do something very messed up and damaging to the High Elves.

I have a separate thought but I might explore that later, for now I hope this was interesting.
 
The Winter War - Prologue: Friends & Foes
The Winter War - Prologue: Friends & Foes

Word spread quickly.

The fields of Tirisfal had been set alight, the coasts bombarded and raided while Dalaran was completely barred from Loardaeron's capital by foreign magics.

All of which was pure preamble to what would follow.

Heralded not by blades and flames, but messenger birds sent to every noble, city and commander across the lands of Lordaeron and beyond.

The words within unbelievable, yet the reality was undeniable. King Teranas the Wise was dead, struck low by a troll king he had offended some years past.

A troll who now proclaimed themself to be the ruler of the lands, offering acceptance within his empire or of neutrality. Hidden beneath layers of flourished language were veiled suggestions of reparations or justice from those who had been party to offences he claimed against himself and his people.

Outrage and grief burned in the hearts of the people, be they nobles, paladins or peasant. Efforts to marshal their forces increased ten-fold and plans were made to return Lordaeron to its rightful rulers.

But among them were those who looked upon the empty throne as an opportunity, were one but ambitious enough to seize it.

Beyond them, were those that saw a new monarch as a source for new beginnings and a glorious rise to power that would forever reshape the Eastern Kingdoms.

Of course, there are those who were beneath notice or needn't be informed. All of them watching from the back woods and mountains as the lands of humanity writhed and congested in the throes of war.

All the while, within the conquered halls of Lordaeron, Frost King Malakk and his followers make ready for the battles that are sure to come.



Sylvanas once again found herself in the company of Lord Tirathon, this time within Silvermoon's golden walls. The council meeting had been surprisingly brief and adjourned after the missive was presented.

"So," Tirathon asked, "You know better the ways of the inner court than I. What do you expect?"

Sylvanas's frown was hidden by her dark blue hood, "I imagine they will do as they said and reflect on their matter... Before quickly moving to gauge their fellows reactions to best determine their own."

She rubbed her chin, "As to our chances of going to war, it is harder to say. They have a means to beg off it now, but it is on the word rather than the weakness of a troll, which will rankle."

Tirtahon scoffed, "I only trust a troll when they're screaming for my head or over their own death."

Sylvanas was not one to disagree with that sentiment, "As it stands, our efforts to allow piracy and partisans may find themselves pushed back so they can watch the battles unfold... Or war will be declared."

"The troll made things easier for the council with this," Mused the young lord.

"In some ways, though much is still to be determined by matters of reputation and pride. As to which is more likely," She shook her head, "I cannot say."

"If it is not declared, I know some reliable crews," Tirathon mused.

Sylvanas remained silent as they parted ways.


Malakk's missive had arrived at Zul'Aman with all due haste, but its contents was already known, the evening prayers of War Priest Hala'Zhi ensured that much.

However, forewarning did little to change proposition before Zul'jin and the Amani. Which was itself little more than an invitation to take the next step in debates that had been enthralling Zul'Aman since before the war began.

For with war came openings in the enemies guards, with an enemies weakness came opportunities and with those, the chance to avenge injustices.

'But so too does it present risks,' Zul'jin mused, his ever burning eye and missing arm mere physical reminders of the gulf of grief and shame that roiled eternally in his soul.

'And not all risks are so clear as an enemies spell,' Zul'jin was all to aware that for all the Amani's will and numbers and strength that they were the juniors in any Alliance with the likes of Zul'drak.

Would the Frost King seek to extend his rule over cousins and kin? Perhaps unlikely, but not impossible. Would they lose sight of their own goals in pursuit of his, or perhaps simply be led to defeat again?

There was much to consider and debate before a decision was made. Which was why priests, chieftains, military officials, and scholars had gathered in the Temple of Ula'Tek near the heart of Zul'Aaman.

Zul'jin kneeled on a comfortable, well-worn mat within the grand and finally refurbished Temple.

All signs of wear and tear upon the grey-stone and faded metals was gone. Every crack had been filled, every broken brick replaced, and every relief had been reformed and shined to perfection. The art of Kintsugi not lost on the Amani even now.

The resources to do so had been a secondary payment from the Drakkari, materials offered whenever they could not or would not pay the price in Saronite.

Zul'jin found he was pleased with the trade. Finally, Zul'Aman was once again looking like the proud ancestral home of his people that it should be over a fading ruin that hosted a dying nation.

'There is more work to be done across the capital and forests, but our glorious return to prominence has begun, not with a war cry, but a humble builders hammer strike.' A fitting thing, he thought, for the first true architects of the world.

His thoughts turned to what was hovering behind him, the jade studded visage of his goddess and patron before his remaining eye glanced across the meeting hall. Arrayed along the wide walled chamber were his advisors, and all were looking upon the woman with wild red hair and fiercely curved tusks as she gave her report.

"The Drakkari had secured the glades and were waging war on the capital when I ordered us home. The humans now marshal their armies at the Fallen Gate of Tal'Kin and would soon present a barrier I could not slip through," Akil'Goun finished, standing at attention.

"I thank you and yours for your exemplary work, Sky Sovereign," Zul'jin intoned. Motioning for her to take a seat at his side as he nursed a small bowl of tea, the ceramic glinting with gold in the places where it had once been cracked.

On his left Daakara rubbed his chin, "Sending Sky Riders to observe was a wise decision, but what are we to do with this information Warlord and," he tapped his hands, "Malakk's offer?"

Halazzi hissed, "The choice is obvious, we join with Malakk's Legion and send raiders to the south when the humans rally. Pick apart their rear lines and destroy their farms to starve them as they did us!"

"The humans are less of a concern than the Elves," Chieftain Zul'Marosh cut in, "And Malakk has not promised us their destruction. Would we be able to compel such aid from him if he does not wish to see them fall?"

Hex_Lord_Malacrass was quick to counter, "With our new weapons we should be sailing upon the holy isle to reclaim them, not concern ourselves with the South until then."

Kel'gash looked speculative, a subtly wicked smirk on his lips, "This could indebt Malakk to us some, for striking at potential foes, especially if we find proof they sought to join the Alliance in march."

Kazra'jin waved them both off, "You assume too much, we should wait and see what the Elves will do and how the Drakkari fare before we make our decision."

Zul'jin glanced at Akil'Goun, "What would you say the Drakkari's chances are?"

The woman tapped her fingers in thought, "They struck swiftly and fiercely, using great strength, skill and secret weapons to deliver a crushing blow. However, the Alliance are neither fools nor few in number. If the Drakkari fight Lordaeron alone with cunning as well as strength, I would call it an even fight." Her shoulders rolled, rippling muscle on full display as she added, "But with the Alliance as a whole bearing down upon them? I cannot envision victory. Not without aid."

"That could bode ill for us," Zul'jin muttered, "I doubt the Elves will move given it took us setting their forests ablaze in the Second War to truly act. Perhaps they have learned, but ego clings to their bones as much as magic."

He placed his drinking bowl down on the oaken table before him and sighed. "Though my heart yearns to see the holy lands reclaimed, I would caution against reckless actions."

Otembe raised his hand to speak and Zul'jin waved him on.

"Thank you, Emperor," he said with a bow. "And though I dare not question your wisdom of strategy, I must remind you that our secret weapon is waiting and ready to be deployed. With it, even the accursed elves Sunwell barrier shall shatter."

Malacrass tapped his own bowl with a long fingernail, "I concur, the Saronite is a powerful weapon, but the longer it is known the more the elves have time to understand it, risking the loss of its potency."

The room broke into furious back and forth debate for some time, Zul'jin letting the discussion wash over him as he looked upon the twin moons above, the sensation of paper beneath his aging fingers as he recalled Malakk's words.

'He seeks to rule the humans, he does not understand what we have lost, yet he holds to the old ways better than many I have known.' Dismissing the thoughts of the lost Smolderthorn and Firetree, Zul'jin drew his conclusions and beckoned for quiet and made ready his proclamation.

Holding Malakk's letter for all to see Zul'jin spoke, his sharp tones echoing across the courtyard, swift and smooth as snake scales.

"Were any Drakkari to be given these terms by another, they would no doubt find them fair..." Her curled his fingers around the paper sealing it in his hands, "But we are not the Drakkari, we have not ruled one united nation for ten thousand years with no fear of invaders, we are the Amani!"

He rose to his feet, "We have seen our nation toppled and lands stolen. Temples burn and homes torn asunder. Our ancestors placed in chains while our children were hunted like animals and babes burned in their cribs!"

A fierce roar rose up from the crowds outside.

Zul'jin pressed on, "We shall not let Malakk's mercy risk defining our glorious reclamation and thus we cannot bind ourselves to his words, nor can we risk the Drakkari's defeat and retreat."

Malacrass looked eager, wanting, "Then Emperor-"

Zul'jin slashed his hand, "But we shall not race to reclaim the Holy Land. For though my heart aches to see it returned in all its resplendent glory, the lessons of the Second War were harsh and I would be a fool to ignore them. For all that we might claim, there is no denying the Elves are canny and may well take the Holy Land before we can turn its power against them. But, do not lose hope."

He leaned forward, the practiced image of an intimate friend with a mischievous scheme radiating from his being.

"Instead we shall entertain his Speakers but keep them at a distance, while using the humans distraction to our advantage." He drew his bladed-Tonfa and motioned out the temple doors, "South we shall sail, returning the Tribes to the fold and ensuring our control of the Eastern Coast cannot be challenged by humans, elves or even the Drakkari."

"We shall raid the Dwarves and draw out the Elves to fight on our terms, all the while our secret weapon shall wait in the wings! Scouts shall be deployed and prayers offered, that we might see the Drakkari's fate. So that when the time to strike is nigh, our blow lands like lightning!"

A cheer echoed as he continued, high and holy, "We shall not bind ourselves tot he Drakkari but them to us. We shall let no other dictate terms to the accursed elves but we, not the Drakkari, the orc and especially not the Zandalari."

His voice rose high, his bladed glinted in the moonlight.

"For this is our land and only we decide its fate!"

The crowd roared, his advisors rose in cheer and the plan was set.

The Amani would join the war, but on their own terms.


Kel'thuzad watched his old friend and ally, Baron_Rivendare from a comfortable seat in the man's private offices overlooking Stratholme's richest district.

The nobles neatly tied ponytail flicked as he glanced over his shoulder and tossed the letter to the desk. "I take it your magic let you gleam the missive's meaning before it passed into my hands?"

"Naturally, it made for interesting reading," Kel'thuzad offered neutrally.

Rivendare chuckled, "It seems you made the right decision leaving your manor to pay me a visit when the creatures arrived. Whoever would have thought it, the capital lost to barbarians of all things?"

Kel'thuzad idly ran a hand over his cats back as he answered, "It would appear so. In truth I merely wanted to avoid what I assumed would be a great excess of noise and nuisances, but this… This is interesting."

Rivendare quirked his brow and smirked, "Oh? Hoping this troll will strike down the Kirin Tor for their cruel treatment of your perhaps?"

"The thought of those arrogant enough to banish me, cast down by such base creatures does amuse me somewhat, yes. Though the prospect of the libraries and holding cells of the city being cast open for I and I alone does hold something more than such mundane musings." His gaze sharpened as he added, "But I assume you have your own schemes."

"Indeed, I do," Rivendare answered, moving to the main window that overlooked the city, hands clasped behind his back, soft silken suit near glimmering in the morning light. "Stratholme is the largest city in the land, an equal to the capital, a hub of trade, nobility and wealth; as well as secured far from the front and an able bastion against the chaos of war."

"You seek to become the grand general of Lordaeron's armies… Or perhaps to make this the acting capital," Kel'Thuzad grinned, "Or something far grander than that."

Rivendare spun around, smirking, "Do you think a crown would suit me my friend?"

"I think you have the look of a king," Kel'thuzad offered diplomatically, "But you would be far from the only claimant and this is a city of merchants, not soldiers."

"Alas, you are correct," Rivendare said, taking his seat at the fine oak desk. "Were this a different time I could harken to the days of old, before this land was ruled by Lordaeron. But so many Westerners live here now and the likes of Saidan_Dathrohan are but debased dogs before Teranas and the Church. They'd have no stomach for independence," He rubbed his sharp chin, "Nor do I much care for being a neighbor to a troll."

Kel'thuzad shrugged, "Mercenaries come easily in war and the capital will need to be restored by someone. The financial hub of Lordaeron restoring the capital would grant you much capital, though not as much prestige as winning the war."

"This is true, but if played carefully and I make myself integral I or even my son could be in a most opportune position, especially for a worthwhile marriage with little Callia."

Kel'thuzad quirked his brow, "You think the royal family still alive?"

"It is a theory, a hope and yet despairing thought, but I feel it is one with merit, as the troll only makes note of killing Teranas but not of destroying his line. Perhaps it is a mere oversight," he shrugged, "But it is worth considering, especially if Arthas can be culled. Of course, it would be best were I to know for certain…"

Taking the man's significant look for what it was, Kel'thuzad hummed. "I do have some experience with infiltration, and I would hardly be lying if I told the troll I wished to see Dalaran rendered to dust."

"So, you will do it?" Rivendare chuckled, "I would appoint you the new court sorcerer, grant you all you could ever dream of if you do so my friend."

"I will consider it," Kel'thuzad said, "I do long to see Dalaran broken and I doubt you could abide me of that even if this plan were to succeed."

"Perhaps," Riverdare said, with a wave of his hands, "But is revenge really worth serving a troll?"

He shrugged, "Perhaps, perhaps not, I would abhor committing to anything before I see these invaders "mighty legions" for myself, it may indeed be best to simply surrender or adopt a neutral stance. Mayhaps the princess lives and I can whisk her away, or they can only be defeated with knowledge I would funnel to you and you alone."

"You speak wisely my friend; shall we shake on it?" Rivendare said, offering his hand.

Reaching out and taking it, Kel'thuzad nodded, "Indeed, I assure you Rivendare I shall do all I can to aid us both from within the halls of Lordaeron."

They clasped hands, eyes twinkling with mirth.


The sight of Mardenholde_Keep poking up from its mountain valley home had scarcely ever been such a welcome sight to Tirion Fordring. Eager to see his family and home, he egged his mount on, "Hya!"

"My lord, I do not think they can go any faster!" called his apprentice, over the strained screeching of their mounts.

"They are fine and sturdy as any steed, Barthilas and just as eager as we for a true meal I'd wager!" He called back.

They soared over the green laden glade, the town of blurring by beneath them as their mounts reared back, wings beating against the air as they came in for a hasty landing. His Gryphon nearly doubled over, its entire body heaving and a quiet crow of relief escaping its beak as Tirion dismounted.

"Good work," He commended, ruffling the creatures feathers and motioning to the stable hands, "Find them food and plenty of water, I must see my family!" with that he made his way away from the stables and around the grand, squared off Keep he called home.

Word of his arrival had clearly preceded him for his young bride Karandra was awaiting him alongside Lorik.

"My darling," he crooned, embracing Karandra as his bride hugged him and whispered, "We heard about the capital, its awful."

Patting her back he answered, "I know my dear, we shall put it all to right soon, but where is Taelan?"

Lorik saluted, his bristly red beard on full display with his helmet in his hands and answered, "The young lord asked to assist us and so Durgen has let him join a hunt."

"That will be good for him, and how goes the host?" He asked, hugging his wife to his side as Barthilas joined them.

Lorik nodded, "We are not wanting for volunteers milord, be they as warrior, seamstresses or lumberjacks. We have already met our assigned quota for lumber and other supplies, and both Durgen and I have been overseeing the militias training and the preparation of the host.

"Good men, the both of you, had any chance to do battle with our foe?" He added idly inspecting their increasingly fortified Keep walls.

Lorik shook his head, "None milord, they seem to be keeping close to the temple and so our mountain patrols have nary seen hide nor hair of the filthy beasts."

Tirion nodded, brow furrowing, "Do we know how fares the Monastery?"

Karanda answered for them, "No new escapees since the first handful arrived, besides that, we have no word."

Tirion shook his head, chest deflating, "Then we must see something done about this. I cannot let this matter slide."

Barthilas looked stricken, "Milord, did the Lord Commander not order a bulwark?"

Tirion huffed, "Look around you my lad, the mountains themselves are our bulwark, the South needs to be better fortified, but this is our home terrain and the Church our holy site. I would be a poor Paladin were I to leave it in the hands of our foes."

Barthilas swallowed, "I do not protest this milord, the only thing worse than a troll is an orc, I long to see these beasts driven before our blades as you do but is it safe to move so rashly?"

That made him scowl, moustache bristling, "I would remind you to keep a respectable tongue when speaking to your superior as a Paladin and lord of the lands you walk upon. young lad."

Barthilas bowed hastily, "I apologize milord, I meant no disrespect."

"He has a point, doesn't he, Tirion?" Karanda whispered.

"My love, please leave the strategizing to the soldiers, besides," He sent each of them a significant look. "I am no fool who plans to rush headlong into enemy arrows, but nor will I remain passive while the Lords and Ladies of the East drag their feet. If we can reclaim the Monastery this war hall be half won and the Lights Power fill our people's hearts."

Gesturing to the West he spoke, "We shall begin with scouts, mountaineers and Gryphon Riders. They shall guide our fiercest and finest through the paths to strike their mountain guards down. This shall be our opening maneuver, laying bare the temple that we may lay low the occupiers, raising the prisoners to join our Host and casting out these invaders!"

He could hear a cheer echoing from the people, many had stopped to heed him it seemed and he cheered, "That is the way my fellows, dedicate yourselves to your task with zeal and we she see this foe defeated be the solstice!"

Another cheer as the people began racing around in haste, as he turned to his fellows and added, "Come, let us discuss this inside as we await, Taelan."


Caer Darrow was silent as the grave.

Lord_Alexei_Barov assumed that such a horrified silence would be reigning throughout the lands now that their monarchs no longer ruled.

"Deposed by a troll warlord, the shame of it all," he muttered from his fire-side seat, a glass of brandy in one hand as he looked over the letter again.

"Indeed, such a strange way for us to find out though, no?" His wife, his dear Lady_Illucia_Barov mused as she poured herself a glass of wine. They had sent the servants away so they could talk in private, behind magically reinforced walls.

"You are correct my dear. Strange indeed, that a troll of all things would attempt diplomacy, but not all together unwelcome, it gives one time to think and plan."

Illucia sent him a pleased smirk as she took her own cushioned seat across from him, murmuring, "And just what might you be planning my husband?"

Alexi shrugged, "Who can say, these are uncharted waters after all, so many options."

"Indeed," she chuckled, "The royal family fallen, the capital in the hands of savages and offers for neutrality, war or absorption. No doubt most of the noble houses and the Church shall march to our fallen monarchs cause."

"Many may indeed, though we both know others have suffered much with unyielding taxes to care for the orcs," he spat, before grinning. "They may just lack the funds to levy a host."

"But the rest of the Alliance may not?" she countered, eyes twinkling, "A family of our esteem could garner much if we sent our own to fight on the front lines."

"Indeed, we could, is that what you want my dear?" He asked, before taking another sip of burning brandy.

"Perhaps, but perhaps not, we are so close to the capital after all, and if they are so fierce to have taken it so quickly," she mock gasped.

"You speak wisely, maybe neutrality would be best, at least until the rest of the Alliance is ready for war."

"The Alliance is not what it once was of course," She countered, tapping her chin. "Alterac is gone, Gilneas hides behind a wall, the Quel'Dorei dance in their trees. All the while so many of our own are deep in the South and East, bordering on bankrupt or haven't even recouped their strength."

"Though we cannot say some will not return to the Alliance, if only to keep themselves from being the next target," he mused.

"You speak the truth, but then, will it be enough?" Illucia mused, "I never thought the capital to fall in a single day after all, this Frost King must have quite a force."

"A fair question, but if they are so mighty would they seek allies at all. Thus, I am left wondering; would they be able to win without… internal assistance?" He added.

"Jandice is well regarded in Dalaran, but she knows where her loyalties lie, as do we," his wife said.

"And where is that my love?"

She smirked in that way that made a pleased shiver run up his spine.

"Why, wherever it is needed for our family to thrive."

"Of that we are a mind, but then, what to do with this?" He waved the letter, "That barracks of Regional Defenders, Teranas foisted upon us will expect an answer."

His wife's frown was well worn, "Just be glad none of his pet paladins were sent with them or we would be under martial law already."

She tilted her head, humming in thought, "Perhaps we should call Bartimus? I am sure we can think up an excuse to try and open a portal to the palace. A hidden code or layered message, just to give us a chance to look upon this Frost King for ourselves and measure his merits."

"You suggest we take a great risk," He then chuckled, "But then, those can pay off the best, can they not?"

"My intuition has never been wrong before," she hummed.

"It's settled then," Alexi said, pushing himself up, "We can give the Defenders some busy work and arrange a message back to this Frost King for a meeting to see if he is worth supporting."

Illucia nodded, "We can arrange an extraction with Jandice and claim to have been spying on the trolls if worst comes to worst."

"Good idea, you get to the letters, I shall see to the troops. Alterac is pleasant this time of year, is it not?"

They shared a laugh as he strode out of the lounge and his wife took to the desk.

One way or the other, the Barov family would thrive in what was to come, of that they had to be certain.


Winterax Hold was not a grand place, but nor was it to be underestimated.

Built on a raised plateau and backed against the high and unyielding valley walls, with a steep drop on nearly all sides. Crafted from grey bricks into a muli-layered stronghold, lined with towers on each wall and sturdy homes within. At the pinnacle sat the Temple of Quetz'lun the cunning hunter and swift Shepard of souls. Outside the walls and stretching into the valley proper was a vast array of yurts, each overseeing their own farms, be it yaks, pig or the few plants that could be cultivated so high.

It was a comforting, pleasing sight to be sure, rustic and domestic perhaps, but on the surface, peaceful and sedate; but one could never forget that furious battle was never far in such a sparsely hospitable valley. Still, the peaceable aura was a stark contrast to the ongoing debate within the temple.

Korrak wasn't an old troll quite yet, save perhaps by the standards of a Dire Troll. But he had sparred with Zul'jin when the man was grown and he a youth, so there was little denying the yellow tinged beard on his orange skin was losing its luster.

He sat at the head of the tribes family heads, be they hunter and Mystic, or of the spiritual caste, with the Seers and Shadow Hunter; Despites all of whom still debating, Korrak could tell the wind of words was calming.

"Yes, the Drakkari may not understand what they offer, or the risks. But our goddess sees wisdom in joining our cause to theirs, and with dragons to our name we could rule this valley unopposed!" Argued Ganli the Seer.

Rezrelek scowled, "None would deny our patron's wit or willingness to aid us, but not all our neighbors have been our foes, no? And the valley has been good to us-"

"If one ignored the Frostwolves cantankerousness," Sniped Banlan, the Hunter rubbing his healed arm.

"Competition has always been fierce," Counselled Korrak. "The Frostwolves present a new neighbor and rival, but are no different than the Wildpaw or Icewing, who have often quarreled with us."

"Quarreled, yes," Banlan noted. "But talking can sometimes happen, but the Frostwolves keep themselves apart from us, from all and the Drakkari works with Orcs, I dislike this."

Korrak rumbled, "I will not defend their manner, besides, maybe Malakk would find a use for them?"

"This sounds like surrender, did we not wish to leave the quarreling of the empire behind?" Rezrelek sighed.

"I would expect more fire from one of our heroes," Hissed Ganli, who was quickly shrugged off.

"I fight when I must, for us to survive, I do not see a need for so much of our blood to be shed and our lands changed, and that is if, if, these Drakkari win."

Korrak's neck cracked as he rolled his head from side to side, before saying, "We have hidden long and well in this valleys, under our patrons protection. Now she wishes us to aid the Drakkari, I think there is merit in this. If they treat us fairly and we fight cannily, even the Drakkari's defeat may mean little to us in the long run."

Rezrelek arched his brow at that, but it was the elderly Mystic Gileken who spoke. "The humans would struggle to tell us apart from the Drakkari. Convince some neighbors to join us and we can cause chaos when the Alliance marches by."

"If we are careful, and secure our territories before we strike, I think we should consider this. But-" Korrak added, seeing several of the wary faces who Rezrelek had spoken for looking mutinous. "I would meet with the Drakkari's Speaker, take their measures and ensure our fair treatment first."

That seemed to have quieted the whispers of contention and Korrak nodded, "Then we shall meet with their Speaker. As to our neighbors, have them watched closely, they may be willing to aid us, or perhaps not, but we must be on guard."

With the call to action made, all that was left to do now was wait, and pray.


Kael'thas had always like Antonidas, not just for his brilliant mind of calm demeanor, but for his taste. the Archmages study was a perfect example, perfectly rounded and resting atop the Violet Citdael where the confluence of Ley Lines was strongest.

Crystals of purified mana drifted in silver ringlets outside, carrying with them an array of intricate enchantments. While the interior was a brilliant example of magically folded space, a vast array of books, idling experiments and arcane script adorning the walls, but all artfully arranged.

The bearded humans, robes blowing gently in the breeze stood upon the balcony, a pipe in hand, "A Prince Kael'thas, please join me, I was just taking in the morning light."

Kael'thas nodded, coming up to the mans side on the gently lavender touched, tiled balcony and joined him at looking out across the rising lake. In days of 'old' it had at times come to surround Dalaran itself. But the growing city's need for farmland had forced them to raise the foundations and rearrange the coast as best they could.

'Of course that is not where his gaze is truly drawn,' Kael'thas mused, not able to make out Lordaeron's raised plateau without a tele-scoping spell and lacking the desire to do so.

"Do you wish to be left with your thoughts, my friend?" Kael'thas asked.

Tapping his pipe along the railing, ash disintegrating as it passed the defensive barriers, Antonidas shook his head. "No, I was never one to mourn when there was something practical to be done; I merely wished to stretch after a long night and reflect a moment."

"I take it the boy is still proving troublesome?" Kael'thas mused, as they strode back into the smooth, stone chamber.

"Thule Ravenclaw is a bright lad, too bright by half I would say," Antonidas chuckled. "So happy to be the center of attention, he wishes to contact his king, and seek permissions to drag it all out."

Kael'thas snorted, "All while seeing what concessions he can extract from Dalaran for the use of his keep." Kael'thas shook his head, "We should simply move to occupy it, better to beg forgiveness than ask permission, not that I think Greymane should care."

Antonidas sat down at a small, almost breakfast-nook like pavilion and motioned for Kael'thas to join him as a tray of fruits and tea materialized between them. "I did hint that some may feel that way, even if we voted against such acts, there is no reason to give Greymane a pretext for invasion after all."

"He has not the strength to challenge the Alliance," Kael'thas countered once again, even as he took up an orange slice for himself.

Antonidas was mixing berries with that yoghurt concoction he liked so much, his tone coolly methodical. "Only if we defeat these troll quickly, which may not be the case, and whatever happens the faster we forsake our standards, the weaker the Alliance becomes."

Kael'thas sighed, toying with a strawberry, "So you four argued. Whatever the case, do you foresee it being a problem?"

Antonidas swallowed his mouthful and shook his head, "No, I have Arugal speaking with him today; hopefully his fellow countrymen shall resolve this matter in its entirety. But, I assume you wished to speak with me?"

Kael'thas nodded, "It was swifter this way," he said, drawing a letter from his gold and white robes, "A letter from Jaina's father, requesting she be sent home should war approach the city."

Antonidas took the letter resolutely, "An understandable request, and there was something else I assume?"

Kael'thas grimaced, appetite quite diminished, "Arcanist Doan of Lordaeron was most distressed by our agents inability to evacuate the royal family, and our unwitting inaction."

Antonidas frowned, letting silver utensils clink against glass, "I assume he was informed the Nether-ways between Dalaran and the palace were obstructed?"

Kael'thas nodded, "He was, and through that we finally learned how this was the case. I even checked my own sources with the private libraries of Quel'Thalas to be sure."

Antonidas's bushy eyebrow rose, "Historians, are we to see the return or trolls wielding Arcanum?"

Kael'thas tsked, "Hardly, though this may be worse. I believe that while trolls fight this war, their hands are guided by Nerubians, some of the worlds first true arcanists."

Antonidas clasped his hands, a small frown adorning his aged features, "That would explain much if all I have heard of their legends is true. We shall need to gather our sources and ensure we are not taken by surprise again. Whether the Nerubians lead or are led by these Drakkari, their support could disrupt one of the Alliance's greatest advantages."

Kael'thas nodded, but couldn't resist the rejoinder, "I doubt true arcanists would be led by trolls anywhere," he raised a hand quickly, "But I agree we must explore all options. I shall gather the resources I reference before the next meeting."

"Thank you, once we have a stronger base to build our spell-work off, we may be able to bypass their defenses, or at the very least lock their casters down in the capital."

"A wise idea, let us meet again soon, Antonidas."

"Al diel shala, Kael'thas."


Aiden_Perenolde rubbed his stubbled chin as he looked over the fine script from the depth of his cave dwelling.

It had been carried by a bird and addressed to Lord Agrovane's manor near Tarren Mill. Only to fall short of its destination by a day thanks to an eager hunter looking to help feed their camp and inconvenience the Alliance as a fringe benefit.

'Others will likely be arriving at Fallrook Estate and Soutshore's Magistrate, perhaps we should move up the date of his execution?' Aiden mused, before dismissing the thought. He had much grander schemes to be thinking on.

"Aliden, Beve," He called gently, and like magic his children bled into the flickering light of his candle, looking intrigued.

"Yes father?" Beve asked.

"Does Falconcrest still have any messenger birds we can make use of I wonder?" He asked.

Aliden scoffed, "Only his favorites, the one's he won't let us eat."

"Well hopefully he will let us borrow one to send a message, because if this is right, then I have discovered our path back to power."

Nodding they turned, his son biting back over his shoulder, "I hope this goes better than your last plan, father."

"Well, it could hardly go any worse," Beve chuckled as they disappeared into the darkness, Aiden's mind already turning over the information.

'Even if we do not join this Frost King, in the chaos of war, bandits thrive!'


From his perch upon the coast of Lordamere Lake, beneath Alterac's mountains, Grom Hellscream rested his chin on his hands and frowned at the distant, gleaming city of Lordaeron; finally fallen, but by hands other than an Orcs.

"Chieftain, do you have a plan?"

Grom turned to face his followers, their eyes gleaming as his did, reminding him to move, to force the blood through his veins and push his weary body into action, lest he fall like the others.

"Yes, the beginnings of one, but we will need to move swiftly, rouse the camp and ready a runner to meet with the Frostwolves."

He glanced back over his shoulder, a small smirk forming on his lips, "An opportunity has been presented to us, and we'd be fools not to grasp it, so let this world once again know the cry of the Warsong clan!"


Tal'Vass had always been too land-like for Captain Hooktusk.

Oh sure, the Western mountains ran along the coastline and the Shadowglen loved to fish and hunt their foes along the waves, so she liked them better than the smug Gurubashi or Jinth'Ali.

But still, the mountains were high and dry and almost everything save the some of the farms and dams was underground or woven into the rock, where she couldn't even feel her long pink braids be rustled by the winds.

Still, one couldn't deny they were good hosts.

Pulling a Hookah away from her bright blue lips, she drank in the taste, "Ah, I haven't had a flavor like this in an age."

Krag'jin pulled the silver touched metal pipe from his mouth, tapping it against the whicker arm rests of his chair. "Are the Drakkari so lacking fine spice, captain?"

She snorted, "They have fine things to be sure," She said, motioning vaguely at the ornate and richly carved Hookah sitting between them. "But even their magical forests cannot replicate the variety seen in the South."

They sat across from one another, totally alone because Hooktusk insisted, if only to get away from Malakk's assigned advisor. The troll was competent but too damned nervous and pestering for her liking, an it wasn't as though she wasn't welcome.

"Something to consider them if the Drakkari are staying, hm?" He mused, looking over his rounded stone walls, adorned with engravings and art, scrolls or steel, old and new.

"You sound bitter," She offered back, taking another puff and letting the orange smoke billow from he nostrils.

"More vexed," Krag'jin said, "If we had known they were to stay... Well things might be different now."

Hooktusk knew better than to pry and so said, "That sounds to me like you are agreeing."

"Tentatively," Krag'jin said, tongue swift and sharp. "There are matters of what we are offered, not wholly outlined in his missive and we must act quickly, no?"

"Indeed we must," She said, sinking deeper into the cushioned chair, "Which is why I am to secure your support, through almost any means necessary."

"Almost?" Snorted the forest troll.

"Almost," She repeated, "Malakk's of a more merciful mind than many, he won't care for it if humans are slaughtered in droves and packs or driven out just for jollies."

Krag'jin waved her off, "I care little if the humans remain, so long as our rule over the lands is returned, to walk and weave through the woods again. To build in our own forests and live free of fear of invasion... Yes, I would accept the humans here for that."

"Sounds to me like we have an agreement, ya?" She sat up and flicked her dark blue captains hat to her head. "Cos we'll be wanting your help with Fenris Keep."

"Fenris?" He mused before shaking his head, "In time, that land is rule by a human name Ravenclaw. He's Gilnean too and while the Alliance may secure his island for their counter attack they won't do so swiftly."

"So you want us to hit somewhere else first? Cos I must say, once we're done here, Malakk wants us making a blockade, so we can't hover coastbound forever."

"You won't need to," Krag'jin smirked, "And in fact this will help you. I want Baron Silverlaine dead and his keep in our hands. With that, we can move more freely to secure Fenris Isle and provide a clear path to Dalaran from our woods and coast. A good deal yes?"

Hooktusk's throat rumbled in a rather goblin way, she never did pick up the Drakkari's penchant for clicks.

"I think there is potential, but Malakk may want to offer surrender first."

Krag'jin flicked one of his long, pointy ears and said, "You can offer surrender, you serve Malakk after all. I do not."

"No, or not yet?" She teased.

"Let us see how softly he speaks to me in the coming days," Krag'jin waved his pipe, "But whatever the case, I can secure Silverpine and offer my aid. If you aid us first."

"How do you intend to hold the rest of it?" She mused, "I don't want ya'll getting distracted now."

Krag'jin chuckled, "The lords here are hated. The king hides behind his wall. The South may seem safe, but its path is perilous. As to the humans," he shrugged, "I know more of them than most. I know of the Pyrewood Council and I know Harvest-witches who may welcome a change; Seraphaine is a reliable woman with little love for her king."

Taking another spicy puff, Hooktusk grinned, "I am told Greymane was among those who ordered the Speakers deaths, so Malakk cannot be too made at me I am thinking."

"We have an agreement then?" Krag'jin asked, eyes suddenly sharp.

"Send some of your giant sea turtles the lakes way and I shall ensure the keep, its lord and their Commander Springvale fall before us."

She reached across the low table and over the brimming light of their shared Hook they clasped arms, a promise made.


Priscilla_Ashvane watched Daelan as the man loomed over the map table. His arms spread wide, expression coldly furious as he had been since dramatically torching the missive from Lordaeron.

"Whispered words tell us Gilneas sees fit to leave us to our own devices. The invaders have not yet approached the cape and may not do so, instead our best guess is they are marshalling their strength. Thus, for now we must treat the northern coast as beyond our reach and focus on landing our forces at Hillsbrad to join with-

Duke Falrevere's fist crashed against the table, scattering miniatures and tokens as he roared, "I refuse! Those wretched mongrels cost me a dock and no less than a third of my trading fleet, yet you want to let them be!?"

"Mind your tongue, Falrevere," Lord_Arthur_Waycrest snapped, "Do not forget you were granted a seat at this war council as a courtesy, not as a right."

Falrevere's sneer spoke volumes, his son and daughter looking ready to draw swords on the matter, before Daelan cut through the haze.

"The trolls have agents beneath waves in those mutated sharks, while Gnomeragan's navy has fallen into disrepair."

"Do you doubt our sailors and Tidesages?" Lord_Stormsong spoke, mock offence tinging his every slippery word.

"He speaks wisely," Falrevere ground out, "We can sail circles around those bloated vessels, if you would only let us."

"I. Was not. Finished," Daelin ground out, the map crinkling beneath his hands, as he muttered, "Dragons, they also have dragons, while our own areal units are sparse or in play elsewhere."

He lifted his head high and motioned to the Western Coast, "Despite the forces they have arrayed, their flagships strange armor and high cannons, they refused to approach our coast. This makes it clear they fear challenging us in our own seas, so they will likely create a blockade instead."

James Ashvane hummed, "Would sending forces to land then not be playing into their hands? If they fear us, surely we can best them."

"We might win," Daelin noted coldly, "But even a victory under these circumstances would be devastating, leaving Kul'Tiras laid bare for pirates or Gilnean intrusion. As it is, they can do little harm from their ships now, so it is best to drive them out of the land first, then harry them to the ocean floor as they retreat."

Priscilla glanced to her husband who rested a hand on his dueling blade for but a moment, then stilled, unwilling to move, not yet at least.

'James if we do not act soon, Daelin's cowardice will destroy us all!'

"Your defeat by the dragons stains your mind, Daelin," Falrevere spat, "Perhaps one more confident-"

He leapt back with a curse at the flash of Daelan's blade, "Never speak to me as such again lest you wish to face me in a duel."

Daelin's blade was struck by Jessi_Falrevere's own, "Level a blade at my father again and see what comes of it!?"

Arthur looked ready to draw his blade, and Falrevere's son Morgrann reached for his war hammer, threats beginning to spill from their lips.

"Enough all of you!" Katherine snapped, "Our enemy is out there, not here with us."

"Tell that to the man who drew his sword on our family," Morgrann groused.

"Tempers are running high for us all, perhaps a recess to clear our heads?" Priscilla offered.

Falrevere scoffed and marched away, jacket billowing, "You will be lucky to see my household offer aid with that fool in charge!"

"We will speak with them," James offered companionably, Pricilla sending Katherine a friendly smile before following her husband, mind awhirl.

'A foreigner like Falrevere could never rule Kul'Tiras, but if we are able to secure his support and that of Stormsong, we can challenge Daelin for stewardship of the fleet and give the Duke a cushy position to sooth his ego.'

It would most certainly become a duel of will and blades, but Priscilla was confident she and James could deal with the broken Proudmoore's.

'Their best days are long behind them, while ours are just beginning!'


The letter had been tossed into the fire in short order, Galen watching with an uncertain heart as the paper turned to ash.

His father was impassive before the flames and Prince Muradin quietly contemplative, it was painful contrast to their earlier cheer.

Repressing a sigh, Galen made to join his father, hand reaching out to clap him on the shoulder as the man had sometimes done him, when he was inconsolable and not even fury could be drawn from him.

"Fa-"

His father whirled around like a storm, grasping his arm and snarling, "If you so much as suggest we treat with trolls, the animals that killed Teranas. I, I will-"

"Never suggest such a thing father," Galen hissed, "Kill them all I say."

His father did not release him, eyes still wild and desperate for a fight when Muradin thankfully cut the tension.

"A toast," offered the Dwarf quietly, eying the feuding father and son with a coolness that suited his frigid home. "To a great man and to a worthy promise. The Wise King shall be avenged by us, no doubt, but let us remember his grand life as friends."

His father sagged, "Yes, let's, then on the morrow we march," he dropped down to the table and motioned for Galen to join then.

Ignoring the stinging of his arm, Galen did just that, grief and hope now absent as his mind clicked and whirred like some cold clock, the time ticking down ever faster.


Across the land and seas, word spread, schemes were hatched and armies rose.

Within his palace, Frost King Malakk stands overlooking the royal gardens, his words to the his attaché, a young half trollish woman, with dark blue hair and tan skin, are quiet and firm.

"Summon Queen Lianne, I would speak with her."
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NOTES:
Well this took me awhile, seriously I had to comb through the next 3 chapters and write a ton of new scenes for this one to properly explore the setting and cast, so I hope it proved engaging. In many ways this is Moments in War 2, electric Boogaloo, but I needed to start setting stuff up for the future which was just sort of 'introduced' in the initial draft.

As it is, the Winter War arc is probably the longest arc and has the most expansive range of focal characters and ongoing storylines, so I am likely gonna have to adjust how I tell the story to try and keep everything coherent and restructure what's been written in the draft to better keep it all inline XD

Regardless, next chapter things will be a bit more focused now that most of the players are on the board. Also it was news to me Fenris Keep belonged to Gilneas, but it works out and more to the point does line up with their naming conventions, so huzzah XD Also thank you to that one reviewer @Mook who suggested I use Imgur!

I tried to place each scene consecutively from the North to the South, mostly just so there'd be some kind of through-line in terms of location and also time.

As always, thanks for reading, any feedback, questions or comments are most welcome!
 
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So, while I am not quite feeling it due to events, I did promise more outlines on alternate paths, and this here we are to answer the question.

What would the Drakkari have done differently, knowing, more or less, what they know now?

As I see it there's three main options, but all begin with delaying the invasion by another year at least, and also seeking out local allies, the Syndicate would be the only humans the Drakkari would consider aligning with for information containment however. Beyond that, it'd go as follows:

Ironforge:
Hitting Ironforge first, to resolve his obligations to the Frostmane and hit the most defensible nation able to fight the Drakkari most evenly in the snow and with a standing army makes sense.

The trick would be getting there, but I imagine they'd used the Eastern Coast and climb over the mountains to launch a surprise attack on Ironforge, utilizing their Shamans to either open holes in the mountain or shake it to force the Ironforge out to face them on open terms.

It'd be harder and a lot more rough than their go at Lordaeron, but also resolved well before aid could arrive thanks to distance and environmental factors, and ultimately, Ironforge's defeat would be quite total. Leaving the Drakkari to take reoperations and allow the Frostmane to grieve before leaving.

Some would council re-settling, but Malakk would be against it unless the rest of the Alliance was weakened and he could trust the Frostmane not to kill the weakened Dwarves. Not sure after this, save the Dark Iron would invade in short order causing tons of damage, only to get their asses handed to them by the Alliance and be forced to surrender Blackrock Mountain to the Old Horde and join them.

Lordaeron:
This option would be rooted in seeking out local allies the most, the Amani would be among them unsurprisingly, and would involve a three pronged attack.

One on North port led by almost two thirds of the Drakkari fleet, one on Tyr's Bay led by one third of the Drakkari fleet and the Amani, plus the remaining ships reinforcing Shadowglen to aid in their war, while supplying/collaborating/leading groups like the Syndicate, as well as local Gnoll and Ore groups reached out to by locals and their own agents.

Malakk would have had to promise Zul'jin aid in reclaiming Quel'Thalas for this, and some of the more isolated segments of the fleet would be hit hard by Tirasi counterstrikes, but much of Lordaron would be laid low faster, or forced into a siege mentality. Quel'Thalas however would likely join the fray to spit the Amani, and the war would likely become a lot more chaotic and brutal despite its strong opening.

Quel'Danas:
This would involve Zul'jin using his charisma, strategical acumen and Malakk's honor to ply him into striking the Elves first. Malakk would argue the Amani down to just their sacred holdings in the North, but Zul'jin would consider this a win, because it means the Sunwell.

His goal would be to secure it and turn its power against the High Elves, suppressing their magic rather than the Amani's while focussing its defensive barriers on Quel'Danas to make a nominally impregnable fortress of magic. This would allow Amani warbands to operate with little opposition while the Amani fleet fulfills their promise to Malakk and sails South to join the invasion of Lordaeron.

A lot of tension would come from the fact the Amani, and Frostmane, loathe the Alliance races, they are a deeply traumatized people who unsurprisingly never got over losing more than 70% of their population and lands, as well as having their living standards kicked into the dirt for centuries or semi permanently for the Frostmane.

Groups like the Winter Axe, Shadowglen and even Jungle Trolls are less bitter because they either managed to enshrine themselves in safe locations or fell due to internal issues rather than external. They don't necessarily like the people they are compelled to call neighbors, but their issues tend to be more about their own ability to operate freely than trauma from loss, or generational attrition wearing their people down both in number and morality.

The Drakkari don't really get any of this because their only rival in living memory is the Nerubians and they control territories so far from one another that even when they have warred its never amounted to much harm being done on a large-scale. Historically, the Drakkari have been a bigger threat to themselves than any outsider and so would still view the Alliance factions as contemporaries, if dishonorable one's, deserving of more or less the same treatment they'd give a rival troll state. Meanwhile the Frostmane and Amani were treated like rabid beasts and came to view the Alliance species as little more than inherently evil monsters and act as such.
 
The Winter War: Part 1 - Dangers & Diplomacy
The Winter War: Part 1 - Dangers & Diplomacy
Winter was truly coming to Lordaeron, the vast glades and fields slowly fading beneath drifting snow, as strong winds howled across the planes.

All the while, battle was joined between the snow-capped mountain paths, twin Drakkari legions on beast back of land and air clashed against gold and lavender barriers that swirled and pulsed with power, the soldiers within, braced for battle.

High Priestess Tua-Tua brushed fingers through her green bangs, her other hand holding tight to an ornate staff inside of which pulsed roiling shadows. Enchanted robes of orange, silver and green flowing down her frame and rested against the lightly armored Mammoth she rode upon.

A frown marred soft features as she watched alchemical fire violently squashed and suffocated beneath layers of magic, while the Light held firm.

"We need a new strategy if we are to stall or harry them, I am thinking," Her words were murmured but carried into the skies above.

Heb'Jin weaving through the air atop Braka'Ta, laughter in his heart, "Circle around for another go, we shall loose our attacks in waves to disrupt their casting!"

"Chieftain," called his orange haired Wing-Mate, "The High Priestess requests we fall back!"

"Not yes," he called, "I've had precious little honor this war, no chance I'm stopping before we try everything. Fall in, my kin, fall in and fly with me!"

Upon the ground and beneath layers of magic and holy power, Sage Truthbearer toyed with his moustache, "Seems the grounds troops are making to fall back, but the fliers are coming around again."

Gavinrad the Dire nodded, "Then this is the time," they turned the martialed priests and clerics at their back, "Let your holy chorus join with ours, brothers and sisters!"

The choirs voice rose in beautiful unison.

"We Stand as one, within the light!"

Sage raised his hammer, "For the Holy Light shall illuminate even the darkest shadow, its magnificence more beautiful than the sun!"

"Its glory is shared, by one and all!"

Gavinrad's dark hair spilled over his sharp features as his mace was raised high and he called, "Let our hopes and joys, our righteous fury and sacred unity pierce the veil and bring unto us salvation!"

"Through the Light, our glories one!"

The paladins crossed their weapons over one another and roared, "Holy spear!"

Tua-Tua felt the change before she saw it, the grand shields guarding the bulwark twisting and warping akin to a whirlpool, the golden light flaring with such intensity it stung to look upon.

The chieftain standing before her bellowed, "Word Priests, ready your spells!"

Within the skies, Heb'Jin cheered, "Ready your spells and to-" He weaved sharply through the air, his mount screeching as the searing spear of golden, as tall as any towered pillar flew by them.

"They missed!"

The spear exploded.

No Holy Light brushed against Saronite Spells.

Instead a burning, blistering, golden light, akin to the sun flooded the sky.

"MY EYES!" Heb'jin was not the only one to howl, as sun spots and blistering pain flooded their senses.

Gavinrad looked upon their foes and raised his hand, "Kerr Ironsight!"

He needn't have spoken, already the dark haired Dwarven woman loosed her command, "Water the earth in troll blood!" She bellowed.

Her declaration followed by blurring battle riders, the shrill shrieking of Gryphon's filled the air, twisted and distorted, as hammers sung with lightning.

Heb'jin heard the crackling of lightning, but he leaned left, his mount right, the sounds made no sense!

Then the Wildhammer struck, the first of three searing, roaring hammers of spiritual fury, tearing through flesh and ripping their bodies asunder.

He had not even the time to scream, as the Wildhammer joined the fray, his forces had only moments more.

Tua-Tua hissed, her eyes already recovered from the sting, and her prayers sending healing waves across the Legion when-

A cannon ball shot through the air and struck the white armored Chieftain who stood before her mammoth. Splattering his head and its searing steal sealing the wound shut as the blood struck her mount, making his trumpet and bellow.

"High Priestess!" She had barely had the chance to calm her mount before a Frozen Warlord leapt between her and another cannot shot, the steel ball striking Saronite steel and losing all momentum.

Up above she could hear screaming and lightning and thus bellowed, "Fall back, woven retreat, loose Spirit Beasts and the Holy Wardens!"

Another troll was struck, by lightning this time, the commander falling to her knees even as her forces rallied, a Dire troll catching and lobbing back a cannon ball only for it to bounce off arcane domes.

The Frozen Warlord took to her back as her mount turned and stampeded away with the rest; while roaring and swirling masses of air and lightning joined with howling spectral wolves and Shoveltusk.

Standing at the most forward point of the Bulwark, Gavinrad and Sage looked upon their efforts, the latter murmuring, "You want to let them leave?"

Gavinrad nodded, a scowl on his face, "Few things would please me more than to run them down, but we do not yet know how far they are from reinforcements."

"A wise precaution, it would not do to risk our position either," Sage mused, watching the few fliers that could escape doing so.

Wing Leader Ironsight was not however calling her troops back, instead swooping down and targeting the smattering of still twitching trolls, either those struck low by cannons or lightning during the escape.

Gavinrad grimace and clapped the nearest captain in the shoulder, "Head out there and make sure we actually capture the survivors."

"Capture, Lord Paladin?" The man in golden winged helm asked.

"Yes, capture," Gavinrad groused as Sage blew on the horn signaling the fliers to fall back. "We cannot let ourselves become brutal as our foes or victory shall have no meaning at all."

The captain still a moment before nodding, "As you say, Lord Paladin! Come on lads, let's go rangle-em up!" Drawing his blade and cheering as he mounted his horse and led his squad from the confines of the Bulwark.

Sage was watching the skies as he whispered, "If it makes things easier for you my friend, I shall oversee the prisoners."

Gavinrad sighed, "You may as well, better we disperse any frustration among our flock than let it fester."

Their attention was drawn to the sudden arrival of Kerr and her fellow wing-mates; words of commendation became their focus, before moving to plot heir next move.

All the while, in the background peasants worked with haste to dig up the area and lay spiked barricades, each teaming with enchantments.


Queen Lianne had been watching the gardens from the cushioned alcove when the invitation came. The knock emanating from the doors of she and husbands' former chambers like a boulder against her ears when she saw how it made Callia stir from her restless slumber.

Racing towards it she forced the grand doors open with silent swiftness, a hiss on her lips as she scowled up at the confounded troll guard.

"My daughter still rests," Lianne forced out, with a modicum of restraint.

Another voice, lower down than could come from the looming guard but taller than Lianne directed her gaze to the right. Before her stood a troll, maybe nine feet tall compared to the Drakkari's mountains. She had small tusks and tan skin that had something icy underlaying it, with stark, ocean blue hair, shaved on each side and tied back in a ponytail.

The troll hugged a tablet to her chest, "This one, De'Jana, apologizes for the uncouth interruption, but his majesty, Frost King Malakk invites you to join him in the sitting room."

Resisting the urge to lick her dried lips, Lianne turned the words over in her head, 'An invitation, but in reality a summons I cannot refuse when imprisoned in my own home!'

She looked to Callia, still sleeping fretfully and her mind turned to Arthas, sealed inside a guarded room across the hall, his voice hoarse from shouting expletives.

'Will he take them while I am away? Will the guards hurt them? What does he want!?'

Her mind was awhirl, but even knowing it would frighten and pain her daughter, Lianne knew she could not hide from this, let alone ignore it. She had no choice but to dance to the trolls tune until rescue came.

Steeling herself Lianne whispered, "Please tell your highness I will arrive momentarily."

The guard and De'jana offered deep bows and let her close the door.

Lianne cast them from her thoughts and turned to Callia.

'Please don't cry dear.'


In the days since the city had been taken Malakk had been struggling to find an ideal place to hold meetings.

The throne room was a wreck and bereft of easy access to sources. He had made for the war rooms only to find navigating the doors to be a hindrance. Meanwhile the libraries, perhaps the most ideal place had been turned into a research station by the Nerbubians and his own arcanists. Soon meant to be serving dual purposes as their main hall for casting to keep the mages of Dalaran barred from the city.

Thus, finally, he had settled on what he was told was the Teranas's private sanctum, his library, his personal study and recreation chamber. Otherwise known as his sitting room.

Near the heart of the castle and looking out upon the central gardens it was one of the tallest rooms in the palace. Flushed with thick red carpets, walls lined with art, a large fireplace, a table Malakk had been told was for something called billiards and a second floor holding the royal family's personal library.

Despite his musing mind, he was listening attentively as his Speaker blew into the room, robes flowing like water.

"We found him your grace, Malaka'Raz's former escorts found the executor," the youthful troll nearly cheered.

Clasping his hands, Malakk felt his chest unclenching, the place where he had wounded himself with the blood oath warming contentedly.

"He is dead then?" Malakk asked, tilting his head back against his mobile throne.

Zala'Raz nodded, a light chuckle on his lips. "It is as you say your grace, apparently he hid himself among the prisoners and sought to escape during a shift change. They kept quiet on the promise he would release them as well, only for him to leave them behind, thus, they alerted the guards."

Malakk huffed, "Dishonorable conduct betrays itself, such is the way of things."

Zala'Raz waved a handful of slowly fading documents, tinged with yellow and rough edges. "These are the prison records, for both the royal dungeon and the capital prison. Knowing your plans and having a taste for poetic justice, the guards let the prisoners decide their torturers fate."

"Fitting," Malakked said with a sharp nod, "Do you think there's a chance it could work, are the prisoners crimes worthy of reconsideration?"

Zala'Raz shrugged, "Some I would say, many are in the capital prison for petty things like theft or debt. Some reside in the royal dungeons for matters like heresy or striking nobleman, while others should not be considered at all." There was a grim lilt to the trolls voice before he patted the pages, "But I shall have a full report ready by the morning, you grace."

"Very good-"

The pair were drawn from their discussion by the gentle announcement echoing through the wooden doors, "Queen Lianne to see you, Frost King Malakk."

Zala'Raz was already moving, vanishing into the background behind shelves as Malakk called back, "I welcome her."

He was rewarded with the doors swinging open to reveal the queen herself. Bedecked in an emerald green and gold-lined dress, her slim, tan face was framed by faded blonde curls. Her stance radiated tension even as she remained austere and entered the chamber with De'jana at her back, coming to a stop several feet away from him.

Motioning to the nearby chairs, among them some sized for humans and Wolvar, he said, "If you wish to take a seat, please do and we can talk."

Lianne watched him, warily, eyes flickering between his gaze and the chairs, the garden and back, before she finally answered, "If it is of no consequences, I would be more comfortable standing."

"It is of no consequence to me if you wish to make yourself uncomfortable to demonstrate your valor, and you De'jana?" he said, trying to humor her.

The half troll glanced at the queen before shaking her head, "I shall stand your grace."

Malakk snorted, "Now I look lazy, but at least this way we are closer to eye level," he added with some humor, even still he needed to look down and Lianne up for their gazes to meet.

Smile fading, he clasped his hands and spoke promptly, "Tell me, have you and your family any complaints on the actions of my guards and followers?"

Once again, the answer took time as she searched his face for some deception, a trick or veiled threat before answering.

"My daughter and I have been treated as well as hostages can expect to be treated, however I must beg a question."

Malakk nodded, "Speak and I shall answer."

Lianne took a deep but gentle breath and kept her tone as soft as possible, knowing well of trolls' choleric tempers. "I must ask if it was necessary to separate my son from us and strip his room bare."

The troll king shrugged, his powerful shoulders not obscured behind his loose, sequenced robes of silver and dark blues, his low baritone reminding her of a sharpening stone. "Had he not made attempts to strike at my followers with everything from bed posts to nails I would not have needed to do so. If you can ensure he will behave he can have some comforts back, but until then my options for dealing with him are sparse and this was the kindest avenue available to me."

Lianne stiffened and answered, "I can assure you that will not be a problem if you simply allow him his furnishing besides a single mattress and quilt."

"I will consider it, but trust must be earned, and he has done much to wither my limited good will," He said dismissively. The troll was not entirely looking at her now as his gaze glanced to stacks of tomes scattered around what had once been her husband's pavilion!

Lianne's temper flickered and flared, "He deserves kinder treatment as your hostage; he is the crown prince."

"He's a brat," Malakk groused.

"You murdered his father!" Lianne snapped, before drawing back, shivers running through her heart.

The troll however just looked bored as he answered, "His father who allowed my friend to be tortured and then ordered his execution for simply being a troll." An ugly sneer spread on his face, "You will struggle to make me weep for the man who did that, Queen Lianne."

She swallowed, awaiting some harsh reprisal, but the troll seemed content to let his mind wander as if awaiting a response, and finally she found her voice. Motioning to towards the city, "Your retort has led thousands to their deaths."

"I had a similar conversation with Uther the Lightbringer," he answered, tone strangely soft before his expression grew sharp and his tone rough. "I offered the chance for those who ordered the deed and saw it done to face me alone and was informed not only would that be refused, but even had he accepted war would still be inevitable. Am I to let injustice happen to my kin but spare the perpetrators? A true king could allow no such thing."

His finger tapped, the sound echoing and resounding, "Every action I have taken is to bring justice and protect my people, as is my duty… And with that fact in mind, I have an offer for you, Queen Lianne of Lordaron."

"I am a captive audience," She answered carefully. The troll looked at her for a moment, brow quirked before a seemingly amused huff escaped him, De'jana clearly smothering a laugh a her side.

Whatever humor had possessed him faded as he spoke, "I have claimed this land and her subjects as part of my empire, this means they are mine to lead and protect. Even if it means greater battles with those to the East and South."

"You do not have to fight, treaties can be signed and sworn on Light and Honor," Lianne insisted, not believing her own words.

Malakk shrugged, "Were I to take my legions and leave, your people would pursue us, maybe in a month, or in a year when your son took the throne. A new stage in this war is inevitable whatever we might wish, but I would see it end quickly and with as little loss of life as possible."

Lianne arched her brow at such a ridiculous claim.

"I mean that," Malakk said grimly. "Your armies must be defeated so that they can do no more harm to themselves or others, but there is no cause to create more suffering and death." His voice grew grander and though no louder his manner seemed to shift, losing the almost languid air of before to radiate authority and confidence.

"Those who raise spell and sword against me do not grasp the harm they shall lay upon the land and her people. I ask you, Queen Lianne, to aid me in this war, to see that it reaches a swift and decisive conclusion. Heed my questions, advise me, offer your insights and rise high in my esteem."

"You… You think to suggest I betray my kingdom," She almost scoffed, "For you?"

"I ask only that you help me put an end to this sad story before it grows more tragic. But," he added gently, "It would be cruel to ask of your aid in strategy and blood. Instead, what I seek is for your presence to help… Ease people into this transfer of power, and for you to share your political whiles with me. Nothing that we could not find in your records and books but made all the more worthwhile by being 'your' insights."

He offered her his hand, as if asking to dance.

Seeing the giant, slightly furred hand before her Lianne bit back instinctive revulsion and steeled her nerves, "What if I were to refuse?" Watching that tri fingered digit, large enough to encircle her chest and crush it like a grape.

Malakk shrugged, "Then this war will likely last longer than it needs, my rule over the people of this land will be made more difficult, necessitating more of our number here, while you and your children will lose any ability to influence the future of this state."

Did he mean to kill them, or merely note their powerless place, his words said the latter, but all Lianne knew of trolls said the former.

De'jana leaned forward, "If this one may, your graces, this would mean your family would come to reside in the Temple City of Gundrak. Cared for and in safety, as befits our obligations, but sadly far from all you know and bereft of the power to influence policy."

Lianne still did not know what to make of the strange troll, nor did she trust the words spoken by any such creature. Yet the possibility of being sent across the sea, of her children being lost to Lordaeron for perhaps years? At least within the capital city liberation stood a chance, yet to surrender, even if only in her husbands stead...

'I am a queen in name only, not by blood. My surrender will not stop the good people of Lordaeron, but it may soften the trolls, may ease the tensions long enough for this war to be won…'

She would be hated, lambasted, seen as a traitor to her people but, but… 'If I keep my children far from this sordid deal, but safely enshrined in the capital. Then they can retain their ranks as royal heirs when the war is done. They could banish me for my treason to secure their place and the royal line will be spared.'

She looked again to Malakk, then down at his hand, her own pressed tightly against her gown as her heart thumped in her ears.

'This is politics, the dance of misinformation and courtly intrigue, I know this game… I must merely play the hand dealt to me carefully.'

Swallowing her pride and her shame, Lianne placed her hand in the trolls and offered a curt curtsy, "I accept your offer, Frost King Malakk."

His grin was wide and his tone light, "Thank you Queen Lianne, I promise we are going to do great things together."


It seemed she had scarcely pulled her hand away before the queen reagent found herself in a carriage and taken across the capital.

Seeing their queen alive and in good health was meant to assuage fears and doubts, while further signify the Drakkari's strength, but soon enough she would be expected to do more than just exist as a trophy.

Shaking the thought away she continued to look over the capital, the white stone city that had been the dreams of her youth as an Easterling born noble girl, still stood. The walls were being repaired with newly made bricks, but the mages tower was still little more than rubble looked over by monsters. Her heart quietly soared at the sight of the church, unharmed and undimmed, even as her soul quailed at the sight of people peeking out from their homes or even trying to go on with their lives staring wide eyed at her.

'Whatever joy they find in my presence will be short lived,' Lianne thought bitterly.

"Your grace, does something trouble you?" De'jana intoned, easily able to keep up with the carriage at a walking clip, despite being so much smaller than other trolls.

'Endless things trouble me, you among them,' she wanted to retort, but a distraction from her morbid mind was almost welcome and a part of her needed to know this truth.

"Merely lost in thought, but tell me, De'jana... Are you a Drakkari?" She asked, more bluntly than she would like, but there were precious few ways to do such things.

The tan troll did not balk, instead running a hand along her gold and blue tabard which served as an over layer on a form fitting silken undershirt, the richly colored pants that did not go passed her knees completed the look, if one discounted the array of jewels and scrolls.

"If you mean, am I a part of the Drakkari empire, then yes," The troll smiled ruefully, her long features making the expression quite wide to Lianne as the troll continued. "But am I to assume you ask of my parentage?"

Lianne nodded, "You do not resemble your kindred, it raised questions in me as to the nature of this empire."

"Your empire now too, your grace," De'jana said, before wiggling her oddly round ears. "I am a child of two people's, my mother was a guardian who lived in Drak'Tharon Keep, which my father travelled to with some Rageclaw traders, hoping to study our ways in alchemy and herbology."

That... Was not the answer Lianne had expected, the heritage certainly, but even if what De'jana said was a lie, which Lianne could not discount, it seemed such an odd lie to choose.

The half troll chuckled, "They were quite the odd couple, but very good together, or so I feel. I spent my childhood between the great keep and visiting my fathers village of Silverbrook."

"I see," Lianne said slowly, as they turned a corner and she weakly waved to some passing children. "Then, you were chosen for this task for that reason?"

De'jana's ears drooped for a moment before perking up, "I believe so your grace, but I assure you of my competence in any task that you require. I would not have been honored with a place on this expedition were I incapable."

'That is far from my first concern,' Lianne thought, even as she nodded.

They continued their travel through the capital, trolls and their servant races watching from roof tops with dull stares as her mind fell into awhirl. What was the troll king trying to convey with such a servant, her stomach turning as her mind drifted, 'Calia!'

"Your grace," De'jana intoned in that strange accent, like a sibilant purr, "I believe it is time to return to the palace, the cold does not appear to agree with your presence."

"Yes, I wish to see my children again," Lianne said lowly, but firmly.

"Of course your grace," De'jana bowed as the carriage began to turn around a fountain.


Dagren the Orcslayer was not a man given to caloric temper, in fact he would argue his moods were always appropriate to the situation and that even if it were warranted he was not given to rage.

'But this fool is driving me to my wits end!' He stormed through the halls of Fenris Keep and burst his way into the main hall of the central Barracks.

"Just what do you think you are doing, Alaric!?" he roared, silver hair falling over his eyes as his marched shook the floorboards.

The balding man looked to stammer, before steadying himself, gripping his swords handle tight and standing firm in dark armor, accentuating his bulky frame.

"I- I will not allow you to speak to me as such, Lord Paladin! You owe us a debt-"

"Your gardener and chaplain pulled me from the river and offered me succor, not you, nor would I care if you had breathed life into me with your own lips!" Snarled the Paladins, expertly projecting his presence than even the taller, older man felt small, "What possessed you to cancel the fortifications!? Why did you you not call for reinforcements as I told you!?"

Swallowing, Alaric answered, "I, I cannot act against my Lord. I sent word to Lord Ravenclaw and a ferry to his majesty, King Greymane-"

"Are you so deluded as to think Greymane will send us aid?" Dagren seethed, "Let alone swiftly enough? This keep must be held until the Alliance reinforces it!"

"My lord is in negotiations with the Dalaran to do just that now, but, but," He gulped out. "Until then I remain in command of his keep and his orders were not to let some Tirasi have run of the place!"

Before Dagren could simply render him unconscious and get the servants and guards back to work, a watcher stationed on the walls loosed a signal horn.

The color drained from Alaric's face and Dagren ignored him, snatching up a telescope he raced out of the chamber and to the highest point atop the Barrack's towers and looked due West.

"W- What do you see, Lord Paladin?" Alaric asked quietly.

"Death," he grunted, as a mottled skinned turtle as large as any ship tore from the waters, ripping through the gun ships he'd set out to secure the waters like it was paper. A green troll riding its back waving a staff in wicked glee.

"D- Death!?" Gasped Alaric.

"Yes," Dagren said, turning and tossing the spy glass back at the man and ignoring his fumbling, the paladin set off calling back, "I leave the keep in your command."

"M- Me but what of, what of me and the people!?" He called desperately.

It pained him, but Dagren was a practical man, 'I will not win this war by martyring myself here, not like this,' he thought.

But if the Light favored him, he may well find the priest and gardener before the second wave of the Drakkari's attack began and be able to carry them away on Gryphon back.

Light willing he could do that much.


Lianne watched the door to Arthas's bed chambers wearily, Calia pressed against her side, her daughter whispered, "It will all turn out well, will it not mother?"

Hugging her daughter close, Lianne kissed Calia's golden curls, "Of course it will my dear, mother shall see to everything," She leaned back and cradled Calia's cheeks. "I promise, so long as I draw breath, you will be protected."

She looked to the book shelf and added, "Go dear girl, find something to read, a hymn perhaps, I shall join you again for dinner."

"Yes mother," Calia whispered obediently sliding away and making her way to the book shelf where the Exegesis of the Light rested.

Letting out a low sigh, Lianne strode into the halls, and cautiously, optimistically, she raised a hand for De'jana and her guards to wait and they did so, even moving back a few steps.

Striding up to the oaken doors, lined with ornate, gold dusted art of vines and heraldry, Lianne pressed her hand to the door.

"Arthas?"

There was an angry thump but nothing more, repressing a sigh, Lianne murmured, "Understand my son, that all I am doing, I do for you, your sister and this kingdom."

She waited, hoping for a response, but sullen silence was all that greeted her.

Refusing to let her sadness show, she turned to her escort, hands clasped before her and marched towards them, the very picture of queenly elegance and dignity.

"Well, let us not keep Frost King Malakk waiting."


The ceremony had been a small thing, for such a terrible and momentous one.

Nobles and captured captains brought to bear witness to the shame of Lianne Menethil, so that all would know in the days to come, what she had done.

It seemed the ink had not even dried on her declaration of surrender as queen reagent before Lianne found herself in another storm of activity. Placed before wealthy merchants, visiting nobles who had been trapped by the invasion and most gut wrenching of all, the Archbishop himself.

None dared raise a voice though their anger was palpable, while others seemed to almost… deflate. Only the archbishop had kind words for her, but she could not accept them in her heart.

They all may have already surrendered themselves, but royalty was to be held to a higher standard, no matter the cost.

But with her children's lives in the balance, the fate of the royal lineage and with it, the crown… What choice did she have but to nod and offer assurances as she weakly smiled, promising fair treatment and tolerance from the Drakkari even though she did not believe it herself.

Their judgement did not matter though.

The brave people of Lordaeron would fight well, even after hearing word of her surrender and so long as her children survived the royal line and with them, Lordaeron, would have a future.

She might be damned as a collaborator, but her children and the kingdom would survive this, united and unscathed as she could possibly assure.

It was not as though any humans would be mad enough to work with troll invaders after all.
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NOTES:
Hi, thanks for reading, I hope it was fun!

As per usual, my basis for the characters was built on what I could infer front heir characters, hence Alaric being a nervous fool easily led by Thule who himself has more desire for power than he does sense. Lianne we know little of, but I worked with what I could and Dagren's pragmatism is again rooted in the fact he kept escaping failed missions in WC3, lol. Also as promised the Alliance is indeed getting wise to how to counter the Drakkari and no longer presuming victory before the battle begins. Thanks to Pillowsperky for their feedback on that section too.

I may end up taking a week long break from updating due to needing to rewrite and re-organize more than I expected, and also some real life stuff that's proving heavy, though please don't let that limit potential discourse and I shall be answering questions regardless!
 
The most tragic part here? The Drakkari are being completely honest about their goals and intentions and nobody believes them. Petty racism is bringing an entire continent down upon them. Few writers get that bit right. Azeroth and its inhabitants are, especially in this era, hyper-xenophobic racial-supremacist conquerors trying to carve out their kingdom at the expense of everybody else while including "acceptable" races for alliances of convenience. The first truly multi-racial empire is here for a legitimately righteous war with no malevolent intentions for the remaining civilians and nobody else can comprehend the possibility.
 
The most tragic part here? The Drakkari are being completely honest about their goals and intentions and nobody believes them. Petty racism is bringing an entire continent down upon them. Few writers get that bit right. Azeroth and its inhabitants are, especially in this era, hyper-xenophobic racial-supremacist conquerors trying to carve out their kingdom at the expense of everybody else while including "acceptable" races for alliances of convenience. The first truly multi-racial empire is here for a legitimately righteous war with no malevolent intentions for the remaining civilians and nobody else can comprehend the possibility.
Thank you, I've been trying to weave in the total lack of belief the Alliance side largely has in the Drakkari's stance on things so I am happy its coming across and evoking a response.

Also yeah, pretty much none of this had to happen, if they'd been willing to negotiate with the Frostmane or Malaka'Raz it could have been avoided, but they're trolls and don't get invitations to the table.

I am glad that came across and felt accurate, the fact that each of the Alliance nations (Outside of Gnomes) was built on taking other people's lands, toppling their homes and driving them away is something that is consistent in the lore. But despite that and the fact we never see any form of integration between the Alliance factions and these other species I do often find it to be an ignored factor which can actually be read as saying a lot about these groups.
In truth, I tend to think the only thing that changed in later canon is that the Horde & Alliance were forced to engage with one another often enough through mutual foes that they couldn't continue with the default assumption that someone not looking like them made them less of a person. (I will note, the Church of the Light apparently has a somewhat more complicated relaitonship with this subject, but they also weren't enough of a restraining bolt on anyone's impulses to make a major shift so its very much too little by half.)

Loved that lead out, cos yeah, under similar circumstances for themselves the Alliance would consider this acceptable, but its trolls doing it so obviously the motives are bad, petty, and they are going to act villainous.

Thanks so much for the comment!
 
Hey again, I've done my reading now so here's some feedback:

Firstly, I read this because I know you like worldbuilding and I'm interested in worldbuilding in general, and also because your points on savages etc were good and are fairly rarely seen on similar forums to this. However, I also don't like trolls, I think they're pretty boring, so my feedback must be taken into account with that view. It's not your job as the author to make me interested in something I'm not, but I realise that I might be being harsher on something I have less interest in than something I like. I'll also note that I read up to the start of the Lordaeron arc, then skipped to the end, so I've not read the Lordaeron stuff, but I think I've got a decent idea generally. I'll try and structure this a bit for ease, but I'm going to be fairly brief, happy to go into more detail on particular points:

Worldbuilding

To begin, you have indeed done a lot of worldbuilding, but I find a few issues with it. These thread in a bit with some of my story points but I'll try and stick to worldbuilding points for now.

You've done a lot of work to establish the Drakkari, their new socity, their developments, their methods of production and so on, and you've also done some work on other elements like the Nerubians liking art or being predetaory hive minded things not normal talky people, this is all good, a legitimate well done, you've developed things.

However, I don't really find a lot of this credible. One of my major points has been around the elements and the Drakkari's use of them. The Elementals of WoW are super touchy, they seem to emerge and wander about wrecking stuff at the slightest provokation, and you've written this as them having decided to serve the Drakkari in a far more intimate and servile fashion than they would have in canon.

The Drakkari Empire seems remarkably stable, given the many competeing demands of religious and military officials etc. You've represented this partly in the councillors occcasionally saying 'hey we shouldnt do that' but again, for what's supposed to be a fairly new kingdom, I don't really find this credible. In any industrialised society there's the subjugation of a particular group, usually the industrial and rural proletariat to produce agricultural surplus and feed the machinery etc. I would have been interested in more stuff on the nature of internal, possibly class based, conflicts for example.

I'd also like to have more differences in troll society than to others. Malakk is a very generic king, 'oh I can't do this i have to ask my advisors', but how does that work, is it a parliamentary system? A noble council? Who actually controls those 500k soldiers (silly number btw), is it Malakk directly, will his soldiers listen to him or are they nbased on regional bases or whatever. The way Malakk and the Drakkri operate shouldn't be a mirror of Lordaeron, there should be various institutions unique to the trolls. Maybe he has to go about getting agreement from each Loa before doing something, or maybe he has to give a big sacrifice. But no, it's just work taxes lol.

The Drakkari seem to lack anything defining them. In canon they were the trolls who sacrificed their gods, which is IMO quite an interesting distinction. Malakk lost lots of his companions so I was wondering if this was a Thanos type dude who understands the necessity of sacrifice or something but no, apparently they can just have everything with no sacrifices. As one example, Arcane and Life magic are opposing forces, not completely opposed, but still opposing. I was expecting a sort of Dark Shaman type deal with the Drakkari, or something like their use of Arcane weakening the elemnts etc. They just seem like Zandalari mk2, not their own cultural group. Or possibly 'Iron Trolls' like the Iron Horde.

Moving onto my story based points

It's quite dull. It's never a nice thing to say but there's very little conflict in this story. Within 50k words the Lich King has been destroyed. What? I know you justified it by saying that Nerzuhl was being impetuous or whatever but its the Lich King. Even if in universe the events were possibly, you have control of the plot. Why was this necessary? That's so much conflict you could have gotten in. In general you seem to set up obstacles and then immediately push them over, Drakaru is a traitor! Oh wait nvm Malakk knows about him.

As above, the Drakkari seem to have everything. They've got powerful shamans, mages, nerubian support with ancient magic or whatever, large scale teleport stuff, the biggest ships in the world even though they've never sailed. This was really apparent in your treatment of the Vrykul. I expected that they might wake up or something given all the stuff going on but no, they just stayed asleep while the Drakkari pillaged all their stuff, even their dragons. Saronite too! It's so casually 'oh yea we just invented a way of using it not a big deal really'. It gets boring, there's just constantly something popping up and then being pushed down again. Even Malakk is the perfect king, he's liked by (almost) all, he's good in combat and magic, he's able to do lots of things and he has a special sword. He's not quite on the reality bending levels of a Mary Sue but he's close. He seems to be on the same model of Thrall and similar, but Thrall did have weakeness, he was young and inexperienced, he failed to do certain things and made others worse, Malakk seems unbeatable and again, that's boring to read. Let your characters lose! One of their weakensses which you've noted is their ability to do mass combat, but they still keep winning, this would be a really good opportunity to give them some losses to actually have them develop with, rather than just bulldozing through everything. This was really my main gripe.

Structurally the story is also quite disjoined and rapid. Lordaeron is established as the enemy to be prepared for, and then the narrative lurches into a shockingly brief Lich King interlude, and then back to Lordaeron. This is poorly plotted, the Lich King should never be a side show lol. Simialrly, you leap about a lot between characters, it would be good to slow down and establish some more people, who they are what they look like etc. You make extensive use of hyperlinks, I tend to find this unwise but you do you, if you want to present info like that fine, but generally readers shouldn't have to go outside the story for more info.

To develop the 'too easy' point, you focus on trolls to the exclusion and frankly the detriment of others. I get that you like trolls, fair enough, we write what we like, but in making the trolls so good you seem to have to drag down others. The interlude with the Alliance was accurate perhaps, but quite silly, it was crude, it showed everyone being unecessarily evil, torturing people instead of just laughing off the request or similar. I might have instead expected them to acknoledge that they have no interest in hearing the message, but someone actually thinking about it for a moment. Teranas doesn't seem massively interested, which is fine, but you seem to take the 'savage trollls bad' narrative of canon and completely invert it, depicting the alliance instead as the savages, which is just as bad as the opposite.

As a point on both worldbuilding and the too easy aspect, I might imagine an expansionist troll empire, not because Malakk is a malevolent or cruel person, but just because they need the resources. They might invade the Grizzly Hills again to get stuff from there, but instead you've depicted them as really really peaceful and chill with their neighbours. I don't deny they could do this, but they're excessively egalitarian.

Your approach to worldbuilding

I think you need to remind people more of your canon, otherwise there's a lot of misconceptions. For example I have a certain understanding of elementals, the interactions of magic and so on, which you may not share. It would be wise to include these points in the narrative, have someone explain it or similar. I don't necessarily propose a particular approach to worldbuilding and dealing with canon info, but again you need to establish the baseline. For example, you say ZulDrak was supercool and not ruins, whereas I might point to medeieval rome where there were still roman stuff like aqueducts, even if the medieval romans couldn't build them.

Alternatively, in early canon there's no distinction between jungle and forest trolls, and I seem to recall comments from you which didn't really clear that up and made me quite confused. If you beleive that there's no difference or are operating on earlier canon, fine, but that's not my understanding, thus the confusion.

Simialrly, you reject the idea that the trolls are primitive, that they have less technologically sophisticated societies etc, because they have a history of city building and empires. Ok, great, but lots of those are ruins, that's one of the interesting parts of the trolls IMO, the Gurubashi and the other jungle trolls live in the ruins of their great civilisation and are slowly trying to build up again.

You reject stuff because of racism and colonialism, fair enough that's not necessarily wrong and may indeed be laudable, but you have to remember that the metric of the bestial forest savage is a really useful one for authors, it's evocative, we use tropes for a reason, they're useful. The theme of colonialism is even useful as a story element.

I also dont' know if you just don't understand stuff. YOu mention cutting kobold ears for example and yea, that's a normal way of pest control, a ratcatcher might collect rat tails to demonstrate to the authorities the number of rats they've killed. This demonstrates that the humans regarded kobolds as sub-human, a form of pest, and while sure that's immoral given they're sapient and can talk, that doesn't change the fact that it's understandable and you don't seem to understand it. You say war isn't justified, but it is, that's how emotions work? Sometimes people are short sighted or cruel etc. The 'fort on orc land' example from your info post is a really obvious one, the orc believe the land is theirs, it doesn't matter if they lack the wider political context, and it just seems like you fail to understand the perspectives of the characters there. You mention cultural dissonance so clearly you're aware of it, but you also say that violance is 'left there because the creators didn't think violence against mobs didn't need justifying, or being rooted in the gameplay mechanics over anything realistic.', which isn't necessarily true. Sure, some of it is 'go kill x because gameplay', but other parts of it can be extrapolated by the normal processes of warfare and soceties. 'Go kill X because we are at war with them for complex but irrelevant reasons' is fine.

I personally think that some of your poitns are quite interesting, like is it morally permissable to kill a dragon to get it's skin int eh same way we'd kill a cow. How would a society reliant on reagents work? Would you make an elf farm to farm the magical elves, would that be moral?

However, you just don't seem to grasp that some of this isn't poor worldbuilding it's just part of the setting. Tolkien, as the father of modern fantasy, treats orcs basically as animals, there are racial undertones there to 'subhumanity' etc, but he also includes a chapter where they express points on respect, esteem, career progression, payment, revenge and societal shame, and so on, showing here:

here was an angry debate concerning what they were to do now: which way they were to take and what should be done with the prisoners.

'There's no time to kill them properly,' said one. 'No time for play on this trip.'

'That can't be helped,' said another. 'But why not kill them quick, kill them now? They're a cursed nuisance, and we're in a hurry. Evening's coming on, and we ought to get a move on.'

'Orders.' said a third voice in a deep growl. 'Kill all but not the Halfings; they are to be brought back alive as quickly as possible. That's my orders.'

'What are they wanted for?' asked several voices. 'Why alive? Do they give good sport?'

'No! I heard that one of them has got something, something that's wanted for the War, some elvish plot or other. Anyway they'll both be questioned.'

'Is that all you know? Why don't we search them and find out? We might find something that we could use ourselves.'

'That is a very interesting remark,' sneered a voice, softer than the others but more evil. 'I may have to report that. The prisoners are not to be searched or plundered: those are my orders.'

'And mine too,' said the deep voice. 'Alive and as captured; no spoiling. That's my orders.'

'Not our orders!' said one of the earlier voices. 'We have come all the way from the Mines to kill, and avenge our folk. I wish to kill, and then go back north.'

'Then you can wish again,' said the growling voice. 'I am Uglúk. I command. I return to Isengard by the shortest road.'

'Is Saruman the master or the Great Eye?' said the evil voice. 'We should go back at once to Lugbúrz.'

'If we could cross the Great River, we might,' said another voice. 'But there are not enough of us to venture down to the bridges.'

'I came across,' said the evil voice. 'A winged Nazgûl awaits us northward on the east-bank.'

'Maybe, maybe! Then you'll fly off with our prisoners, and get all the pay and praise in Lugbúrz, and leave us to foot it as best we can through the Horse-country. No, we must stick together. These lands are dangerous: full of foul rebels and brigands.'

'Aye, we must stick together,' growled Uglúk. 'I don't trust you little swine. You've no guts outside your own sties. But for us you'd all have run away. We are the fighting Uruk-hai! We slew the great warrior. We took the prisoners. We are the servants of Saruman the Wise, the White Hand: the Hand that gives us man's-flesh to eat. We came out of Isengard, and led you here, and we shall lead you back by the way we choose. I am Uglúk. I have spoken.'

'You have spoken more than enough, Uglúk,' sneered the evil voice. 'I wonder how they would like it in Lugbúrz. They might think that Uglúk's shoulders needed relieving of a swollen head. They might ask where his strange ideas came from. Did they come from Saruman, perhaps? Who does he think he is, setting up on his own with his filthy white badges? They might agree with me, with Grishnákh their trusted messenger; and I Grishnákh say this: Saruman is a fool. and a dirty treacherous fool. But the Great Eye is on him.

'Swine is it? How do you folk like being called swine by the muck-rakers of a dirty little wizard? It's orc-flesh they eat, I'll warrant.'

Just in this short snippet you have the presentation of three distinct groups and all their stuff, and even if the narrative of LotR doesn't cover any of it in much detail, and sort of implies the genocide of the orcs etc which is a bit iffy, it this is a complex choice by the author not just a 'woops' of worldbuilding.

As I said, I find it difficult to comprehend your position on this really, which is why I'm talking about your 'approach' to worldbuilding in this later section rather than the actual worldbuilding you've written etc.

Anyway that's 2k worth of stuff for you to consider, let me know what you think.
 
Hey again, I've done my reading now so here's some feedback:
I appreciate you taking time to read most of the story despite not having an interest in trolls and shall try to answer your perspective fairly.

You've done a lot of work to establish the Drakkari, their new socity, their developments, their methods of production and so on, and you've also done some work on other elements like the Nerubians liking art or being predetaory hive minded things not normal talky people, this is all good, a legitimate well done, you've developed things.

However, I don't really find a lot of this credible. One of my major points has been around the elements and the Drakkari's use of them. The Elementals of WoW are super touchy, they seem to emerge and wander about wrecking stuff at the slightest provokation, and you've written this as them having decided to serve the Drakkari in a far more intimate and servile fashion than they would have in canon.
I am glad the cultural aspects worked out well, that is very encouraging to hear, I took some inspiration for the Nerubians from the Travelogue which I would heartily recommend as one of the best stories I've ever read.

So on the spirits, I thought I had conveyed this clearly but maybe not, so I will now.

The Spirits in Zul'Drak are not natural spirits, the Drakkari's early history is in face defined by them warring with the already hostile elemental spirits of Northrend for survival as the Taunka and Tuskar do. The difference is in how the Drakkari eventually dealt with this, namely, by engineering their own locally grown spirits, starting say an air spirit as a small breath or the lingering remnants of a defeat wind Spirit then feeding it offerings of essence and blood, touched with divine blessings from the Loa. This is a big part of why the Zandalari hate them, the Drakkari have replicated the divine arrangement on Zandalar through hard work.

The Drakkari Empire seems remarkably stable, given the many competeing demands of religious and military officials etc. You've represented this partly in the councillors occcasionally saying 'hey we shouldnt do that' but again, for what's supposed to be a fairly new kingdom, I don't really find this credible. In any industrialised society there's the subjugation of a particular group, usually the industrial and rural proletariat to produce agricultural surplus and feed the machinery etc. I would have been interested in more stuff on the nature of internal, possibly class based, conflicts for example.
A few things to keep in mind about Zul'Drak is that while it was recently fractured and feuding, general cultural similarities were still dominant, and these people have all been an empire before, fractured states before again and again. That is to say, while Malakk's rule is new, the concepts he's working with are very old. As to rural proletariat to produce agricultural, the spirits arrangement make this less of an issue, because spirits and infrastructure handle most of the labor and are managed by a relatively sparse number of priests and Shamans who are more like managers than anything. Zul'Drak exists in the same sphere as Quel'Thalas and the Kal'Dorei, that is to say, they are a post scarcity economy for the most part.

I'd also like to have more differences in troll society than to others. Malakk is a very generic king, 'oh I can't do this i have to ask my advisors', but how does that work, is it a parliamentary system? A noble council? Who actually controls those 500k soldiers (silly number btw), is it Malakk directly, will his soldiers listen to him or are they nbased on regional bases or whatever. The way Malakk and the Drakkri operate shouldn't be a mirror of Lordaeron, there should be various institutions unique to the trolls. Maybe he has to go about getting agreement from each Loa before doing something, or maybe he has to give a big sacrifice. But no, it's just work taxes lol.
The current system dominate Zul'Drak is a bit ad hock, Malakk got where he is in large part thanks to a grass roots, populism campaign, so many of his advisors sort of go along with him because they lack the clout to challenge him. As it stands, he is approved of by the Drakkari Pantheon, hence him being able to appoint Gal'Darah as the Grand Prophet, a position that as gone unfilled for generations. The relationship between trolls and Loa as I write them is a bit less "Devout worshipper" and more, "Layered compact", the pantheon is to be worshipped yes, but there are systems and rules in place that even the Loa need to obey, they can't just dictate to the trolls like they are slaves. As to the size of the army, that's again tied to the post scarcity economy, at least insofar as food is concerned.

The Drakkari seem to lack anything defining them. In canon they were the trolls who sacrificed their gods, which is IMO quite an interesting distinction. Malakk lost lots of his companions so I was wondering if this was a Thanos type dude who understands the necessity of sacrifice or something but no, apparently they can just have everything with no sacrifices. As one example, Arcane and Life magic are opposing forces, not completely opposed, but still opposing. I was expecting a sort of Dark Shaman type deal with the Drakkari, or something like their use of Arcane weakening the elemnts etc. They just seem like Zandalari mk2, not their own cultural group. Or possibly 'Iron Trolls' like the Iron Horde.
I don't really agree, but then I also don't care for Thanos as a character as I find his ideology equal parts stupid and rancid.

It's quite dull. It's never a nice thing to say but there's very little conflict in this story. Within 50k words the Lich King has been destroyed. What? I know you justified it by saying that Nerzuhl was being impetuous or whatever but its the Lich King. Even if in universe the events were possibly, you have control of the plot. Why was this necessary? That's so much conflict you could have gotten in. In general you seem to set up obstacles and then immediately push them over, Drakaru is a traitor! Oh wait nvm Malakk knows about him.
I mean, this was the Lich King before he'd even conquered the Nerubians, his army was actually very small and I'd note that even at the height of his power, the Lich King never managed to take Zul'Drak so (Shrugs) Frankly I don't find the Scourge that impressive or interesting and their presence would be a detriment to the story I am trying to tell, so I resolved to solve the matter before moving on. As to Drakuru, I Mean, how likely is it that literally only one survivor comes back from a large military engagement?

As above, the Drakkari seem to have everything. They've got powerful shamans, mages, nerubian support with ancient magic or whatever, large scale teleport stuff, the biggest ships in the world even though they've never sailed. This was really apparent in your treatment of the Vrykul. I expected that they might wake up or something given all the stuff going on but no, they just stayed asleep while the Drakkari pillaged all their stuff, even their dragons. Saronite too! It's so casually 'oh yea we just invented a way of using it not a big deal really'. It gets boring, there's just constantly something popping up and then being pushed down again. Even Malakk is the perfect king, he's liked by (almost) all, he's good in combat and magic, he's able to do lots of things and he has a special sword. He's not quite on the reality bending levels of a Mary Sue but he's close. He seems to be on the same model of Thrall and similar, but Thrall did have weakeness, he was young and inexperienced, he failed to do certain things and made others worse, Malakk seems unbeatable and again, that's boring to read. Let your characters lose! One of their weakensses which you've noted is their ability to do mass combat, but they still keep winning, this would be a really good opportunity to give them some losses to actually have them develop with, rather than just bulldozing through everything. This was really my main gripe.
I mean the Drakkari have like... 1 mage, the rest are Nerubians on loan. The ships did take several years of research from the Amani and they've explicitly said they don't want to engage the Tirasi vessels in open combat despite their size and strength, so far their giant ships are mainly for transports and intimidation. The Vyrkul is entirely based on canon the process to wake them up involves a caster standing in front of one singular Vyrkul channeling tons of magic into them for several minutes before they wake up. They don't just pop out of the ice cos someone touched their things. The Saronite is based on Travelogue where multiple Northrend societies learned how to utilize Saronite, including the Vyrkul so (Shrugs) Malakk is indeed meant to operate in the same sort of sphere as Thrall or Jaina, as to Malakk, its less that he doesn't have flaws and more that circumstances have made all of his flaws apparent, though trying to continue a fight while most of his chest has been blown out and needing to be dragged off the battlefield before his gets his ass killed is definitely a flaw. As was his presumption about the size and strength of Lordaeron, turning what he thought would be a simple and quick war into a drawn out slug fest he fears losing. I actually just had teh Drakkari get their asses kicked in an engagement with Lordaeron.

Structurally the story is also quite disjoined and rapid. Lordaeron is established as the enemy to be prepared for, and then the narrative lurches into a shockingly brief Lich King interlude, and then back to Lordaeron. This is poorly plotted, the Lich King should never be a side show lol. Simialrly, you leap about a lot between characters, it would be good to slow down and establish some more people, who they are what they look like etc. You make extensive use of hyperlinks, I tend to find this unwise but you do you, if you want to present info like that fine, but generally readers shouldn't have to go outside the story for more info.
As it is I've had a few people thank me for the hyperlinks so I will be keeping it up, and as I said, I don't find the Scourge very interesting or impressive, as despite Blizzards insistence on them being super badass, they only ever seem to win thanks to insider agents and surprise attacks. As to leaping between characters, its meant to try and keep the story fresh, I loth stories (Most of the time) that have only one perspective character and leave readers grasping around in the dark for what the hell is happening elsewhere in the story, and I want to give a more complete picture of the war.

To develop the 'too easy' point, you focus on trolls to the exclusion and frankly the detriment of others. I get that you like trolls, fair enough, we write what we like, but in making the trolls so good you seem to have to drag down others. The interlude with the Alliance was accurate perhaps, but quite silly, it was crude, it showed everyone being unecessarily evil, torturing people instead of just laughing off the request or similar. I might have instead expected them to acknoledge that they have no interest in hearing the message, but someone actually thinking about it for a moment. Teranas doesn't seem massively interested, which is fine, but you seem to take the 'savage trollls bad' narrative of canon and completely invert it, depicting the alliance instead as the savages, which is just as bad as the opposite.
This is again, largely based on canon, the Alliance nations were built on invading and mass slaughtering trolls, Gnolls and Kobolds out of lands, pushing them into the periphery and by all accounts these species are killed on sight when they do show up. There's never any hints of diplomacy or trade and the original Lore in W2 explicitly had Zul'jin joining the Horde because he feared the Alliance would genocide his people after "Ages of attrition". As it is, if Teranas had been alone he would have welcomed the Speaker and heard them out, but he's surrounded by people like Greymane and the High Elves ambassador who both endorse genocide against the Orcs, and Ironforge which hates Frost/Ice trolls for killing their queen.

As a point on both worldbuilding and the too easy aspect, I might imagine an expansionist troll empire, not because Malakk is a malevolent or cruel person, but just because they need the resources. They might invade the Grizzly Hills again to get stuff from there, but instead you've depicted them as really really peaceful and chill with their neighbours. I don't deny they could do this, but they're excessively egalitarian.
This is again, based on canon content, like how the Rageclaw have the largest of any Wo0lvar settlement in Northrend and are highly trade focused, or how the gladiators are explicitly paid for their work and chose to come to Zul'Drak over being forced there. Though its also worth keeping in mind, Malakk's something of a person trying to be exceptional, its part of his brand, the average Drakkari has more mixed attitudes.

I think you need to remind people more of your canon, otherwise there's a lot of misconceptions. For example I have a certain understanding of elementals, the interactions of magic and so on, which you may not share. It would be wise to include these points in the narrative, have someone explain it or similar. I don't necessarily propose a particular approach to worldbuilding and dealing with canon info, but again you need to establish the baseline. For example, you say ZulDrak was supercool and not ruins, whereas I might point to medeieval rome where there were still roman stuff like aqueducts, even if the medieval romans couldn't build them.
OK I'll try to integrate some more spirit stuff but I have to ask... Why would Zul'Drak be in ruins if the Scourge hasn't invaded?

Alternatively, in early canon there's no distinction between jungle and forest trolls, and I seem to recall comments from you which didn't really clear that up and made me quite confused. If you beleive that there's no difference or are operating on earlier canon, fine, but that's not my understanding, thus the confusion.
I don't recall saying that can you quote the post where I did?

Simialrly, you reject the idea that the trolls are primitive, that they have less technologically sophisticated societies etc, because they have a history of city building and empires. Ok, great, but lots of those are ruins, that's one of the interesting parts of the trolls IMO, the Gurubashi and the other jungle trolls live in the ruins of their great civilisation and are slowly trying to build up again.
Part of the thing with trolls living in ruins is that its an exceedingly racist trope that was used by a lot of colonialists to argue theu had a right to invade lands and take people's stuff because they clearly couldn't have built it themselves, when actually they did and those weren't ruins until people invaded and broke everything. Now I'm not going to outright ignore the canon for the Southern Trolls circumstances, but living in cities means you need a food source, which means you need farms and agriculture or you just starve. Plus, as a rule, people rarely forget how to do all this stuff, especially when they meeting up with cousins doing that same stuff every seven years, usually the issue is a matter of resources and labor, not skill, that's why Zul'Aman looks rundown, not because the Amani are too ignorant to build, but are lacking in the resources due to how much territory they lost.

I also dont' know if you just don't understand stuff. YOu mention cutting kobold ears for example and yea, that's a normal way of pest control, a ratcatcher might collect rat tails to demonstrate to the authorities the number of rats they've killed. This demonstrates that the humans regarded kobolds as sub-human, a form of pest, and while sure that's immoral given they're sapient and can talk, that doesn't change the fact that it's understandable and you don't seem to understand it. You say war isn't justified, but it is, that's how emotions work? Sometimes people are short sighted or cruel etc. The 'fort on orc land' example from your info post is a really obvious one, the orc believe the land is theirs, it doesn't matter if they lack the wider political context, and it just seems like you fail to understand the perspectives of the characters there. You mention cultural dissonance so clearly you're aware of it, but you also say that violance is 'left there because the creators didn't think violence against mobs didn't need justifying, or being rooted in the gameplay mechanics over anything realistic.', which isn't necessarily true. Sure, some of it is 'go kill x because gameplay', but other parts of it can be extrapolated by the normal processes of warfare and soceties. 'Go kill X because we are at war with them for complex but irrelevant reasons' is fine.
I... Honestly don't know what you are arguing here.

I personally think that some of your poitns are quite interesting, like is it morally permissable to kill a dragon to get it's skin int eh same way we'd kill a cow. How would a society reliant on reagents work? Would you make an elf farm to farm the magical elves, would that be moral?
I mean I would say its immoral as hell (oO) That was kind of my point, people call Gnolls monsters cos we see some human skin on their tents but characters murder baby dragons and wear them as clothing, both thing are equally fucked up.
However, you just don't seem to grasp that some of this isn't poor worldbuilding it's just part of the setting. Tolkien, as the father of modern fantasy, treats orcs basically as animals, there are racial undertones there to 'subhumanity' etc, but he also includes a chapter where they express points on respect, esteem, career progression, payment, revenge and societal shame, and so on, showing here:
I feel it should be noted, Orcs were elves. They were twisted and corrupted by torture and magic and the Orcs, if they surrender are still treated fairly by Elves who will welcome the surrender. So I don't think this is an accurate claim. Not to say Tolkein's work doesn't have issues, he has a lot of classism to say the least, but even then he's critical of how the industrial revolution treats people like cattle so he's not endorsing the common person's abuse and exploitation.

I hope my responses proved worthwhile, thanks for taking the time.
 
I feel it should be noted, Orcs were elves. They were twisted and corrupted by torture and magic and the Orcs, if they surrender are still treated fairly by Elves who will welcome the surrender.
Funny little inversion here in that WC Elves are descended from Trolls, though I'm not entirely sure of the processes that led to them shedding their tusks, blue/green skin pigmentation, and about 2-5 feet of height.
 
Funny little inversion here in that WC Elves are descended from Trolls, though I'm not entirely sure of the processes that led to them shedding their tusks, blue/green skin pigmentation, and about 2-5 feet of height.
Hah I never thought of that but yeah.

Also yeah, the shift is quite stark, like I think the NE kept fangs to varying extents, especially when the artists aren't cowards, but the loss of Tusks and like 5 feet is rather noticeable, as are the extra digits.

We know it was tied to radiation from the Well of Eternity, but also maybe Elune, so its possible she just wanted her Dark Troll followers to have a new look and utilized the Well as a medium?
 
So I don't really want to get into a long engagement on some of these points as a lot of them are subjective, for example the hyperlinks thing is something I woulnd't do, but this is your story so that's not really relevant, if that's a stylistic choice you've made that's ok. Simialrly, some stuff will just be your decisions, I don't think it was wise to kill off the Scourge so quickly and I think you could have used them differently, but again that's something you've decided. Or, as a different point, I totally disagree with your point about single POV vs multiple, but that's a matter of preference, there are strengths and weaknesses to both.

I would still encourage you on particular points, I think it would be interesting to see more of the ground level stuff, especially the Loa. How are they feeling after however many generations without an Empire? Are they feeling threatened by the growth of non-shaman supports? I would assume so, are they upset at this 'growing Loa' thing the Drakkari are doing? Will this cause conflict?

Again I find that point quite interesting, it's an interesting use of the elementals. For example, if you 'awoke' the flame of small bonfire, then used that bonfire to light fires all over a city in furnaces and so on, would that make a bigger elemental which would be more powerful and therefore you could use it? That could present an interesting class conclift too, the new elementals vs the older Loa. Given of course that Trolls use 'Loa' to refer to any powerful spirit whether elemtnal or animal.

I'd also encourage you on various points like having more conflict. You're the author so you can decide what happens, with the vrykul for example, if you wanted you could say the destruction of the Lich King released a wave of spooky energy which woke all the Vrykul up, or that the creation and exploitation of the 'created' elementals meant that the ley lines were destabalised or something and that led to the Vrykul actually being much closer to waking up because there's a lot of ambient magic.

I would however poke a bit more at this and encourage introspection.

Why would Zul'Drak be in ruins if the Scourge hasn't invaded?

You like trolls, great, ok then, you find them interesting and want to write about them, that's also fine. However, I think in your attempt to push back the 'savage jungle people' narrative, you've gone in the other direction and written them as mighty civilisations. I don't have any particular idea why Zul'Drak might be in ruins, but lets use Rome as an example. While Rome was indeed sacked, you might consider that ZD had a civil war, or that natural disasters, population demographic changes, enviromental issues, angry Loa, a plague, or really any such thing led to the decline of the civilisation. Just because you live in a city it doesn't mean you don't hunt too. For example, Rome once held a million people, but over time that decreased to like 50,000. I imagine the trolls generally much the same was as I imagine those 50,000 medieval italian people, a population very much aware of the greatness of their forbears, aware of the ruins all around, but also unable to recreate them. You mention people don't forget stuff, that's sort of true for sure, but sometimes they do. Libraries can be burnt down, iconclastic movements can destroy writings or monuments, trades can simply fall out of use. Again in medieval Europe, especially in the west, masons had to rediscover their craft after the fall of Rome, they had to learn how to make really big buildings again.

Again if you want to write the trolls as having a big civilisation, sure, go for it, I wouldn't but it's not my story, but I'd still encourage you to consider whether you'd gone too far in the other direction, and written them as 'too' civilised.

I don't recall saying that can you quote the post where I did?

So this might actually have been me thinking back on it. I think somewhere you might have refered to Zul'jin and the jungle trolls, and I was remembering the book where Doomhammer meets Zuljin and it's after the fall of Stormwind, which means Zul'jin is pretty far from home, but that's also because the early games didn't really do proper geography.

I mean I would say its immoral as hell (oO)

This part I'd also poke you a bit on. To an extent I'm assuming things about you, so feel free to ignore if they're not true, but from your statement about not understanding the difference between different sorts of executions, I'd caution you against adopting your own or a universalist view of morality. Yes, I would also agree that skinning a dragon would be immoral, and sure I might also agree that eating animals or the use of surrogates for pregnancies might be immoral, or any other particular moral views. My point is more that to the people in your story, things that you don''t think are moral might be considered as very moral indeed. But anyway, again it's your story, I'd encourage reflection but if you jsut want to write that's pretty reasonable too.

In any case, I commend your presentation of a lot of things here, but I am frustrated by other stuff.
 
if that's a stylistic choice you've made that's ok.
Less stylistic and more "There's way too many characters with way too many lore stubs and I want people to know who's an OC and who I am basing on a real figure."
I don't think it was wise to kill off the Scourge so quickly and I think you could have used them differently, but again that's something you've decided
I'm honestly kind of curious how you think I could have utilized the Scourge without them coming to dominate the narrative and make the entire war about them? This isn't a combative questions its a legitimate one.
I would still encourage you on particular points, I think it would be interesting to see more of the ground level stuff, especially the Loa. How are they feeling after however many generations without an Empire? Are they feeling threatened by the growth of non-shaman supports? I would assume so, are they upset at this 'growing Loa' thing the Drakkari are doing? Will this cause conflict?
I actually made some asides on this early on, the Drakkari Pantheon weren't actually super jazzed about a new empire at first because the competition between the factions tended to lead to more and more offerings VS stability where they are just consistent. They've gotten over it mostly because the prospect of expanding the empire has led to more offerings than usual and a stable empire is overall more beneficial in the long term, and if it doesn't last they figure they'll go back to business as it was before. As to making Loa, the Drakkari aren't doing that, elemental spirits and Loa aren't even operating in the same sphere, the spirits are tied to the world as any troll or Wolvar, the Loa are beyond it.
Again I find that point quite interesting, it's an interesting use of the elementals. For example, if you 'awoke' the flame of small bonfire, then used that bonfire to light fires all over a city in furnaces and so on, would that make a bigger elemental which would be more powerful and therefore you could use it? That could present an interesting class conclift too, the new elementals vs the older Loa. Given of course that Trolls use 'Loa' to refer to any powerful spirit whether elemtnal or animal.
That's an interesting idea and does play into how it works, yeah, that's why they have eternally burning fires lighting the city and hearths. Though as to the trolls worshipping any spiritual as a Loa, that's one of the later canon additions I am just ignoring cos its basically playing on the bigotted "These dumb primitives thing everything is a god" trope.

I'd also encourage you on various points like having more conflict. You're the author so you can decide what happens, with the vrykul for example, if you wanted you could say the destruction of the Lich King released a wave of spooky energy which woke all the Vrykul up, or that the creation and exploitation of the 'created' elementals meant that the ley lines were destabalised or something and that led to the Vrykul actually being much closer to waking up because there's a lot of ambient magic.
I feel if Northrend almost being split apart didn't wake them in large number that the Lich King's death wouldn't, again it takes persistent and consistent casting to wake them up from the ice. As it is, I just don't see what they'd add to the story, they don't have the numbers, or the magic to pose any kind of long term threat to the Empires of Northrend, they'd be too flat footed and confused to really rally and establish control over enough territory to support themselves in anything but a siege without me really hyping them up. But even then what do they add beyond another obstacle to fight against for a bit?

You like trolls, great, ok then, you find them interesting and want to write about them, that's also fine. However, I think in your attempt to push back the 'savage jungle people' narrative, you've gone in the other direction and written them as mighty civilisations.

I don't have any particular idea why Zul'Drak might be in ruins, but lets use Rome as an example. While Rome was indeed sacked, you might consider that ZD had a civil war, or that natural disasters, population demographic changes, enviromental issues, angry Loa, a plague, or really any such thing led to the decline of the civilisation. Just because you live in a city it doesn't mean you don't hunt too. For example, Rome once held a million people, but over time that decreased to like 50,000. I imagine the trolls generally much the same was as I imagine those 50,000 medieval italian people, a population very much aware of the greatness of their forbears, aware of the ruins all around, but also unable to recreate them.

You mention people don't forget stuff, that's sort of true for sure, but sometimes they do. Libraries can be burnt down, iconclastic movements can destroy writings or monuments, trades can simply fall out of use. Again in medieval Europe, especially in the west, masons had to rediscover their craft after the fall of Rome, they had to learn how to make really big buildings again.

Again if you want to write the trolls as having a big civilisation, sure, go for it, I wouldn't but it's not my story, but I'd still encourage you to consider whether you'd gone too far in the other direction, and written them as 'too' civilized.
... They did and do have mighty civilizations? Again, Zul'Drak being a gigantic ass city the size of a country is canon, I didn't pull this out of the ether. The Amani, Gurubashi and Drakkari empires laid low the likes of the Old Golds armies in the days of old and unlike the Night Elves didn't need draconic assistance to just to break even and before it was retconned they survived on a world with the old gods roaming free.

I feel like this is in of just you thinking trolls can't make it in cities if you can't even justify it, like, Rome spent centuries as top dog and mostly fell due to its own internal issues and heedless expansion coming back to weaken it over time. Stuff that has no reason to happen in Zul'Drak. Environmental issues aren't a problem because Loa, Shamans and managed spirits, the Loa aren't going to plague their own worshippers because that would be stupid and net them nothing. Plus I already covered how the various book lores establish that trolls have a lot of rituals between themselves that allow for war to be done without being as damaging as the all or nothing battles seen elsewhere, plus at this point Malakk's spent over a decade working to repair those issues anyway. Also they do still hunt, its just mostly ritualized cos its not really necessary.

I'd like to note that most of Europe was never part of the Roman empire and many of the segments that were, were peripheral members at best. The Germanic Tribes never had Roman architects, the people who scared Hadrian into building a wall never joined, ETC, these places weren't rediscovering things but just didn't have access to them. The main times we see something like a total loss of knowledge was during like, the Bronze Age Collapse, but there's no reason to think something like that happened in Northrend in recent memory, especially given the Drakkari canonically kicked the Scourge out of their homeland. But even then they have active gods and ancestor spirits they can commune with so its kind of hard to lose this stuff.

I honestly feel your "Too civilized" statement is kinda sketchy, sorry if I am being sharp, but I can't read that in anyway that isn't rather off-putting :/

So this might actually have been me thinking back on it. I think somewhere you might have refered to Zul'jin and the jungle trolls, and I was remembering the book where Doomhammer meets Zuljin and it's after the fall of Stormwind, which means Zul'jin is pretty far from home, but that's also because the early games didn't really do proper geography.
Ah I see.

As it is I tend to have Zul'jin as having travelled around and studied with other tribes a bit, and justify his presence that far South as him collecting the Smolderthorn and Firetree Tribes, which is also how I explain them sticking with the Old Horde, IE, to them the SOuth is more home than the North.
This part I'd also poke you a bit on. To an extent I'm assuming things about you, so feel free to ignore if they're not true, but from your statement about not understanding the difference between different sorts of executions, I'd caution you against adopting your own or a universalist view of morality. Yes, I would also agree that skinning a dragon would be immoral, and sure I might also agree that eating animals or the use of surrogates for pregnancies might be immoral, or any other particular moral views. My point is more that to the people in your story, things that you don''t think are moral might be considered as very moral indeed. But anyway, again it's your story, I'd encourage reflection but if you jsut want to write that's pretty reasonable too.

In any case, I commend your presentation of a lot of things here, but I am frustrated by other stuff.
That's... That's not what is happening here. My main contention was this:

Out of Universe: People calling Gnolls evil because they sometimes skin or eat people is hypocritical because our factions as players do this same shit all the time, be it mutilating the ears of Kobolds, eating Murloc's or skinning Furbolgs and dragons.

Thanks I guess? Sorry if my tone is snippy.
 
I'm honestly kind of curious how you think I could have utilized the Scourge without them coming to dominate the narrative and make the entire war about them? This isn't a combative questions its a legitimate one.

But even then what do they add beyond another obstacle to fight against for a bit?
Am going to put aside the rest and concentrate on these two. The other stuff I think is fundamental differences in opinion, so we could go back and forth on it a lot, especially the 'what is the past of the drakkari' point. I don't especially mind discussing it but I don't think either of us are really getting anywhere so I'll set it aside. Also don't worry about tone, I'm attacking the foundations of your story lol so I get that you might be annoyed.

To concentrate on the above quotes, what do you want this story to be about? You noted: "The mob species & factions lead inner lives as rich as the humans, elves or Dwarves & their societies & individual persons reflect that fact."

While I'm not sure I'd classify the trolls as a mob species, we'll go with it for now. I would have looked more at gnolls for example, but anyway,let's proceed. You want to represent an underdeveloped culture, reporesent them as powerful, respected, players on the international stage, you might want to represent them religiously, culturally, economically, technologically, militarily and diplomatically. That shows their 'inner lives as rich as everyone else' and so on.

I would argue that the best way to do this is presenting them in conflict, and therefore I would argue obstacles are good.

Consider the humans for example. They're a series of kingdoms, then the Horde arrives and they're forced to unite. In Last Guardian there's not really much differentation between the kingdoms, from Khadgar's perspecting on Stormwind and Dalaran, comparably we get more development over time in Tides of War with more people, we get a comment from the Wildhammers that they've quarreled with Ironforge etc, we get the Gilneans being isolationist, Kul Tiras being naval, Dalaran being secretive flashy wizards and so on. The conflict allows the presentation of these differences.

To give a broad overview of a potential plot, which might do this and also involve the Scourge, firstly I'd have dialled the Drakkari down, leave them more room to grow etc.

1. Drakkari were disunited, perhaps not entirely a 'Fall of Rome' situation, but still a decline from before. Even if there's canonical justification for saronite for example, I would avoid giving it to them at the start because it buffs them a lot. You could go into their research process, how they combat the whispers of the old gods, that sort of thing as teh story goes on. Maybe they know it's dangerous but still use it, and there's a this weird cult spreading among the miners who have adotped the woship of an especially spooky loa (its yogg). Maybe have some concentration on the institution of the Speaker system talking to the Fulbogs or something because the Drakkari need mroe resources, how do they get these? Look into how their commercial system works, maybe how they negociate with spirits or loa.
2. Icedudes arrive, some commentary on how different they are, perhaps the Ice trolls view the Frost trolls as decedant or their elemental stuff as morally offensive somehow, because the Drakkari are more technologically advanced or something. Maybe Malakk has trouble integrating htem because he really really wants their arcane magic, but his priests are recalcitrant, or the loa are unwilling to have their power challenged by arcane magic users, or maybe the Iceman just have to start 'at the bottom' because they're so small. Or maybe Malakk gives them the pyramid etc but then his creates unrest because the poorer trolls who are the result of the population boom because of the elemntal creation stuff are sad because they have no homes and Malakk has just given a pyramid ot some random foreigners.
3. 'Shall we fight lordaeron or not' again more discussion about whether they should go, Malakk's oath to help out perhaps being seriously tested because actually no one is that interested in going to war, perhaps some consideration that given they're at peace, they don't need this incredibly large army, or that they don't have the capacity or supply systems anymore to conduct international campaigns. I think the fleet building especially should have been a bigger issue. Anyway, Speaker is despatched and then killed etc, perhaps some look into how the trolls differ from humans in diplomatic terms. I remember how the British Ambassador refused to kowtow before the Chinese Emperor, which eventually led to war etc, which is good example of a fundamental difference in culture between the parties. I don't know what this difference might be, but an example of 'rich mob species life' might be fundamentally different cultural practices etc.
4. Invasion prep, again, showcase the problems of the society. This gives you lots of opportunity to demonstrate 'sticking points', do they actually know how to build ocean going warships? I know you can just say 'oh the Amani helped', but I'd still encourage you to find problems to create obstacles and therefore to explore stuff. For example, the 'we need a sea loa' chapter was interesting I thought, but you could add to this, maybe the existing pantheon are suddenly alarmed. Say you've got a 'scouts loa' or a 'air force loa (eg a bat)' or a 'kings loa (rezan)' etc, they might all be competing for sacrifices. Then along comes the shark loa and suddenly he's getting 50% of the 'military' type sacrifices becauase of the massive expansion of the naval side of things in the 'sacrifice budget'. Maybe the other loa are annoyed at this, how do the Drakkari handle this sort of thing? Now you've said the loa are more interested in a bigger pie than simple a bigger slice of the pie, ok, fair enough, but this doesn't have to be that way.
5. Lordaeron invasion, again there's opprtunities for failures, reversals, the Alliance did just win a war against a large horde type force after all. Again I'd look to history for this, teh Romans were terrible against the Carthagians till they'd figured out how boats worked, then they were alright, but they always did poorly at sea and had a cultural thing against it. Anyway, eventually they win, the 'mob species' is proven as just as good as Lordaeron etc, great, that's nice.
6. Problems continue, the other parts of the alliance cause issues etc, the war continues, again, there's various opportunities there. How does Malakk interact iwth Zul'jin? YOu had a bit of this in a recent chapte rso just reuse that, have the idea that the Amani are suspicious because of various things. Here's another opportunity to develop the differences in culture, how the Drakkari are unique and so on, not just 'some other trolls'.
7. Spooky stuff up north, maybe an arc back in northrend, doesn't have to be long, but you could show the Drakkari 'home front', what problems are occouring? Maybe they've used up a lot of their 'reserve' of sacrifice stuff and are running out, meaning that the shark loa can't keep teh seas clear for them anymore, endangering supply lines to Lordaeron, or something like that, show how they get around these problems. I really think saying 'oh its a post scarcity society' robs the story of a lot of tension, it seems to mean they just roll over people with an insatiable tide. Anyway, have problems, have this be the build up to teh next arc, which could potentially be a scourge one. I don't know what the timeline is like at this point or how far it would be, but perhaps have some stuff about the Horde trying to reform under Grom adn problems there, or maybe a mysterious (its the Scourge) plague is spreading through Lordaeron and there's not enough paladins to combat it because the trolls have killed lots of them, that sort of thing.
8. Then this is where you could, if you wanted to, have the Scourge show up. You can make them a big enemy, they've got flying fortresses, undead dragons adn other fliers, they reainimate stuff and they have good wizards in either liches or demons, they can summon in troops. This might be like the Drakkari fighting another army which has the same post-scarcity stuff. Maybe the Burning Legion start from the demon gate in Alterac, and get a foothold there, maybe Malakk has been fighting Dalaran and this leaves the gates open for the Legion to grab Medivh's book and so on. Here's where you might demonstrate a total war, or you could actually leave it even later to another arc.

Now obviously you've written all of this already so I'm not implying that you should rewrite it, more that you can use the opportunities of conflict to demonstrate particular things. Struggle reveals weaknesses, hones strength and generally is just so much more interesting than untouched victories.
 
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