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S/R fan here. I admit my reasons are not as well thought out as some other's listed, nothing like wanting to humanise her or that Shinji is pretty much her only chance at romance.

1. She's creepy.
2. She's a clone.
3. Human/Angel hybrid.

That... How could I not love that? It's pretty much every one of my interests all in one Rei-shaped pile. About the only thing that could make her better would be a flat chest. :p
 
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Daimonin said:
S/R fan here. I admit my reasons are not as well thought out as some other's listed, nothing like wanting to humanise her or that Shinji is pretty much her only chance at romance.

1. She's creepy.
2. She's a clone.
3. Human/Angel hybrid.

That... How could I not love that? It's pretty much every one of my interests all in one Rei-shaped pile. About the only thing that could make her better would be a flat chest. :p
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So, and I'm just making an assumption here based on a few things, you want to inflict Saya on Shinji?

So, basically:



For the rest of his sad days...

The poor guy. The poor everyone.

Edit: Also, you think Shinji and Rei make a good pair because you fetishize elements of what Rei is?

Why do those attributes appealing to you make you like the idea of her with Shinji? Is it Shinji as an audience surrogate, or simply a context in which to see any romance involving Rei?

Edit2: Your avatar and the flat chest bit made me think Saya, though she's very very different than Rei really. So, my assumption could be in error.
 
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trob030490 said:
So, and I'm just making an assumption here based on a few things, you want to inflict Saya on Shinji?

So, basically:


For the rest of his sad days...

The poor guy. The poor everyone.

Edit: Also, you think Shinji and Rei make a good pair because you fetishize elements of what Rei is?

Why do those attributes appealing to you make you like the idea of her with Shinji? Is it Shinji as an audience surrogate, or simply a context in which to see any romance involving Rei?

Edit2: Your avatar and the flat chest bit made me think Saya, though she's very very different than Rei really. So, my assumption could be in error.
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Yes. Oh god yes I want to read a Shinji/Saya fic. Probably crackfic would be best for everyone's well being. Except Shinji's I guess.

It's not that I like Shinji as a character, I actually hate him a lot (fucking Aspergers poster child). But he's the protagonist we have, not the one we want. Yeah, he is mostly serving as the audience surrogate for me. I'd be quite ok with any Protagonist/Rei if it came around, but... well I can't say I've seen many (or any) Eva fics that don't have Shinji POV. And a few Asuka POVs tossed in. Don't think there's even many Eva SI's. Not that that's surprising, who would WANT to throw themselves into that mess? Especially as just a civilian or soldier at best, since being an Eva pilot is rather... rare.

Yes, my avatar is indeed Saya. She is very different from Rei, but they ARE both creepy eldridge abominations from beyond. :D

EDIT: Oh, as to why about those atributes I find appealing... I'm not sure. I just do? Best theory I've been able to come up with, is that the only human response stronger then fear is lust. And I used to be TERRIFIED of what lurked in the dark....
 
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Daimonin said:
Yes. Oh god yes I want to read a Shinji/Saya fic. Probably crackfic would be best for everyone's well being. Except Shinji's I guess.

It's not that I like Shinji as a character, I actually hate him a lot (fucking Aspergers poster child). But he's the protagonist we have, not the one we want. Yeah, he is mostly serving as the audience surrogate for me. I'd be quite ok with any Protagonist/Rei if it came around, but... well I can't say I've seen many (or any) Eva fics that don't have Shinji POV. And a few Asuka POVs tossed in. Don't think there's even many Eva SI's. Not that that's surprising, who would WANT to throw themselves into that mess? Especially as just a civilian or soldier at best, since being an Eva pilot is rather... rare.

Yes, my avatar is indeed Saya. She is very different from Rei, but they ARE both creepy eldridge abominations from beyond. :D
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i dont know what saya you're all talking about, but my thoughts ww=ent straight to dagashi kashi saya
 
trob030490 said:
Please don't use the implication of autism as an insult.

That's unacceptable behavior here.
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I'm not meaning to use it as an insult, it's more an simple observation that canon!Shinji seems to tick of a good number of the symptoms for it. That I dislike him is merely as related to that as that I dislike him as a character. If it makes you more comfortable, I can rewrite the sentence in more acceptable terms as:

"It's not that I like Shinji as a character, I actually dislike him quite a bit. The guy shows a good number of the behavioural symptoms for Aspergers Syndrome, and I find that really hard to identify with. It is probably due to this inability to identify with him, and his outright offensive (to me) passivity, that makes me dislike him as a protagonist." Better?

Either way, I think this is probably starting to drift away from the main topic.
 
Aspergers? I don't think he has problems picking up social clues* or anything like that, he just... doesn't care. It seems more like "classical" depression to me, right from the start - and if it weren't for that, the events during the series would drive anyone into a depression. That is why I don't get all the popular Shinji hate. Yes, he is not the typical hot-headed shonen protagonist. That is why he actually makes sense. Wouldn't you also run away when faced with the prospect of entering life or death combat with alien abominations in a way that makes you feel any damage your machine suffers - including feeling your ribcage torn open or your arms torn off? Hell yeah I'd run away. And hell yeah I wouldn't be able to make sense of Asuka's mixed signals. In fact, Shinji goes on to pilot to the very end. He is showing incredible strength in that.

*Asuka's don't count as they're too contradictory.
 
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Susano said:
Aspergers? I don't think he has problems picking up social clues* or anything like that, he just... doesn't care. It seems more like "classical" depression to me, right from the start - and if it weren't for that, the events during the series would drive anyone into a depression. That is why I don't get all the popular Shinji hate. Yes, he is not the typical hot-headed shonen protagonist. That is why he actually makes sense. Wouldn't you also run away when faced with the prospect of entering life or death combat with alien abominations in a way that makes you feel any damage your machine suffers - including feeling your ribcage torn open or your arms torn off? Hell yeah I'd run away. And hell yeah I wouldn't be able to make sense of Asuka's mixed signals. In fact, Shinji goes on to pilot to the very end. He is showing incredible strength in that.

*Asuka's don't count as they're too contradictory.
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That's more or less why this website thinks that Shinji is one of the greatest anime character, or at least one of those who made the greatest impact (pun intended).
 
babascoop said:
That's more or less why this website thinks that Shinji is one of the greatest anime character, or at least one of those who made the greatest impact (pun intended).
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Eh...

He is pathetic, but that is what makes him great
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I wouldn't even say he is pathetic. Quite the opposite in fact. I mean, you stay sane throughout all this, and still get in the fucking robot time and time again to defend life as we know it. That's a feat.
 
Susano said:
I wouldn't even say he is pathetic. Quite the opposite in fact. I mean, you stay sane throughout all this, and still get in the fucking robot time and time again to defend life as we know it. That's a feat.
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He's pathetic when compared to other anime protagonists. For example, Heero Yui and the other Wing pilots, who are more or less Shinji's contemporaries, are shown as steel-minded, almost unfailingly brave etc. Natsu, Luffy, Naruto or Ichigo (some of the most well-known anime protagonists nowadays) aren't exactly known for doubting, fleeing or loathing themselves either.

By anime standards, Shinji is rather weak-minded. But realistically, I agree he's actually admirable.
 
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Turing Decidable said:
The shit he goes through during the series would reduce any stone-cold badass to a neurotic mess.
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Is there an official list, btw ?

Something like:
- Has seen his mother be swallowed by a giant robot when he was five years old.
- Was abandoned by his father shortly after.
- Ten years later, when they met again at last, said father blackmailed him into piloting a giant robot against a Kaijiu, without any prior training.
- Fainted during the fight because his robot's head was pierced, and he received the feedback.
- Was hit by one of his classmate for his trouble. Not to mention the guilt of having (unwittingly) sent a little girl to the hospital.
- Was one second away from a second near-death experience during his next fight.
- Very nearly saw a fellow pilot die during the next attack.
- During the following weeks, was constantly taunted and belittled by an abusive roommate.
- Was forced to witness his own robot inflicting crippling damages to one of his few friends. Heck, it's as if he did it with his very own hands since the nerves connections wasn't broken.
- Watched powerless as a fellow pilot committed suicide to save his life.
- Watched powerless as another fellow pilot was mind-raped and emotionally ruined.
- Was forced to killed a new friend who was trying to help him overcome his traumas.

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- Was swallowed by a shadow-shaped monster and very nearly died again.
- Was disintegrated within his own robot and only lived thanks to a miracle of sort.

And that's only what I can remember of the 24 first episodes.
 
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-Felt his arm pierced through by Shamshel
-What he gets for defeating Shamshel is getting slapped by Misato (who honestly does worry his attitude might kill him, but... that's still what it comes down to)
-Felt his chest torn open by Ramiel. Enough neural feedback to cause nose bleeding and unconsciousness.
-Was recruited for the follow-up fight against it without even being conscious again yet.
-When Asuka moves in, she gets his room and he gets shoved into a window-less spare room (yeah, great emotional message that must send)
-In addition to above mentioned verbal abuse, basically has to do all the work in the household
-gets summoned to his father in handcuffs
-Is liquified for an entire month
-gets told a friend/fellow pilot/girl he might have feelings for (?) is actually a mass-produced clone
-sees those clones get destroyed - i.e., sees how dozens of bodies that look just like said friend get dissolved in LCL
 
babascoop said:
Is there an official list, btw ?

Something like:
- Has seen his mother be swallowed by a giant robot when he was five years old.
- Was abandoned by his father shortly after.
- Ten years later, when they met again at last, said father blackmailed him into piloting a giant robot against a Kaijiu, without any prior training.
- Fainted during the fight because his robot's head was pierced, and he received the feedback.
- Was hit by one of his classmate for his trouble. Not to mention the guilt of having (unwittingly) sent a little girl to the hospital.
- Was one second away from a second near-death experience during his next fight.
- Very nearly saw a fellow pilot die during the next attack.
- During the following weeks, was constantly taunted and belittled by an abusive roommate.
- Was forced to witness his own robot inflicting crippling damages to one of his few friends. Heck, it's as if he did it with his very own hands since the nerves connections wasn't broken.
- Watched powerless as a fellow pilot committed suicide to save his life.
- Watched powerless as another fellow pilot was mind-raped and emotionally ruined.
- Was forced to killed a new friend who was trying to help him overcome his traumas.

EDIT:
- Was swallowed by a shadow-shaped monster and very nearly died again.
- Was disintegrated within his own robot and only lived thanks to a miracle of sort.

And that's only what I can remember of the 24 first episodes.
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That about covers everything up to End of Evangelion, I think.
 
Turing Decidable said:
I don't think it's meant to be taken seriously. :p
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I don't either ;) t'was more for fun's sake than anything, but still. When most critics says Shinji's weak, indecisive, a coward, etc. they imply his situation isn't so bad.

Just put yourself in his place. Seriously. Which protagonist can boast such an impressive list of shit in such a short span of time ?
 
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Susano said:
-Felt his arm pierced through by Shamshel
-What he gets for defeating Shamshel is getting slapped by Misato (who honestly does worry his attitude might kill him, but... that's still what it comes down to)
-Felt his chest torn open by Ramiel. Enough neural feedback to cause nose bleeding and unconsciousness.
-Was recruited for the follow-up fight against it without even being conscious again yet.
-When Asuka moves in, she gets his room and he gets shoved into a window-less spare room (yeah, great emotional message that must send)
-In addition to above mentioned verbal abuse, basically has to do all the work in the household
-gets summoned to his father in handcuffs
-Is liquified for an entire month
-gets told a friend/fellow pilot/girl he might have feelings for (?) is actually a mass-produced clone
-sees those clones get destroyed - i.e., sees how dozens of bodies that look just like said friend get dissolved in LCL
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You forgot feeling the sensation of being surrounded in lava without protective gear after he jumped in a volcano to save someone he cared about entirely of his own volition.

That's some classic heroic stuff right there.
 
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After everything Shinji went through, no one can really blame for breaking during EoE.
His line really hits home how alone and unloved he feels. (and sort of is)
"Nobody cares about me. So everybody can just die."
Whatever anyone else may say, I don't blame him at all for thinking that.
 
Susano said:
Well, if we go that route, Rei as well. In fact, Rei... she never had any chance of normalcy at all.
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Yeah.

Rei never did. Asuka never did past age 3-4. Shinji sort of did up until the series, well, normalcy with repressed childhood trauma and severe separation anxiety, but relative normalcy in terms of the life he led for a time.

Every pilot was dealt an extremely shit hand in life and still did beyond what most anyone could be reasonably expected to still accomplish(Other than Toji, who had a shit go of it, and never got the chance to fight through it through no fault of his own).

I wonder if this was them deconstructing the heroes often having a dead parent or being an orphan thing? And just, well, being a child soldier sucks to say the least and they showed that.

babascoop said:
Obviously, I implied "out of the Evaverse".
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Fair enough.

Edit: Hmm, Araragi from Monogatari maybe?

His first brush with the supernatural(that he knew of) was letting himself get eaten by an injured vampire he came across while walking aimlessly around town because he had a suicidally low regard for himself and did it fully expecting to die.

His low self regard plus what was basically a unhealthy(for him as well as others in some cases) martyr complex had him suffering all manner of horrific mutilation pretty frequently.

Homura Akemi?

The cast of Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni(Well, the one of them who actually experienced all the loops, I forget her name) too. And Lucy from Elfen Lied?
 
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trob030490 said:
Hmm, Araragi from Monogatari maybe?

His first brush with the supernatural(that he knew of) was letting himself get eaten by an injured vampire he came across while walking aimlessly around town because he had a suicidally low regard for himself and did it fully expecting to die.

His low self regard plus what was basically a unhealthy(for him as well as others in some cases) martyr complex had him suffering all manner of horrific mutilation pretty frequently.

Homura Akemi?

The cast of Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni(Well, the one of them who actually experienced all the loops, I forget her name) too. And Lucy from Elfen Lied?
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I don't think Araragi suffered nearly as much lasting damage as the Eva pilots. Then again, I've only watched Bakemonogatari, not the following seasons. Plus, he has a somewhat healthy relationship to help him through the bad times, hasn't he ?

Ok for Homura Akemi, especially because of the "trapped in a nigtmare" aspect. Though she isnt the main character of her series, she IS one of the main protagonist.

Never played Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni.

The Elfen Lied protagonists also count, yeah.
 
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